Still as upbeat as ever then
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 2 minutes ago
Still as upbeat as ever then
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I am about Henderson 🤪
For a bloke who's been our standout player post Fergie, to throw him out straight away is very premature. I'm willing to give him another season to fix up.
Since the World Cup his form has taken a huge dip, and hopefully he comes back on top. He was fine for the last few months as well.
de gea was already the worlds hgihest paid keeper beforehand so its nothing to do with that.
its because he knows he should be competing for the highest prizes and has given 9 years to us. hes probably exacerbated at the chit out in front of him.
He was iffy before but Spain destroyed him. He ain't ever coming back.
Henderson deserves his shot
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No he doesn't. DDG has given us years of amazing service. He deserves us to stick by him the way he stuck by us.
Henderson doesnt deserve a damn thing.
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 2 minutes ago
He was iffy before but Spain destroyed him. He ain't ever coming back.
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He was the best keeper in the world before the WC, in what world was he 'iffy'?
comment by Adam Z Lucifer - Rooneysrage9 (U22327)
posted 3 minutes ago
Henderson deserves his shot
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No he doesn't. DDG has given us years of amazing service. He deserves us to stick by him the way he stuck by us.
Henderson doesnt deserve a damn thing.
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I mean, other than performing better than DDG for 2 seasons now, right? Or are we still a fanbase that wants to live on past glories?
Continuing to stick with an unmotivated player who has now 2 years of poor form behind him, shows a weakness.
Look at Lampard. Kepa, worlds most expensive keeper, had a bad spell, and suddenly he's on the bench. Sets a message. Deal with it, get better, but know you're not untouchable. Players should not play on name alone, nor play just because they have given us years of service.
I'd have been just as happy to see De Gea sold a few year back and Romero the number 1. Class keeper who clearly loves the club, and rarely lets us down.
romero is a second rate keeper who rarely lets us down because he usually plays cup or europa league fodder. . the fact is at the top of game de gea is the best in the world. period. His poor form has been massively exaggerated.
comment by Adam Z Lucifer - Rooneysrage9 (U22327)
posted 11 minutes ago
Henderson deserves his shot
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No he doesn't. DDG has given us years of amazing service. He deserves us to stick by him the way he stuck by us.
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i actually agree with you there.
Allison, Pickford, Leno, Kepa, Edison ALL drop clangers, errors are part and parcel of the game, the only difference being when its a keeper it usually results in a goal.
as stretty said above, DDG has stuck with us when we have been an absolute shambles... and some bad form and people want him sold.
comment by Adam Z Lucifer - Rooneysrage9 (U22327)
posted 15 minutes ago
de gea was already the worlds hgihest paid keeper beforehand so its nothing to do with that.
its because he knows he should be competing for the highest prizes and has given 9 years to us. hes probably exacerbated at the chit out in front of him.
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This is probably closer to the truth.
I'd tend to say now is the time to move on from DDG. Despite his incredible shot-stopping ability, I've never quite seen him at the level of Schmeichel or VDS. He has never commanded the box in the way you'd expect a world class keeper to, which impacts the defence as a whole even if it's not evident in his stats. His distribution isn't up there with the top keepers - something that matters a lot more in today's game. He's never been the most proactive goalie, which matters if we aspire to play a high line.
Two side comments. First, if now is the time to get rid, we've obviously put ourselves, once again, in just about the most financially disadvantageous position with regard to a waning talent on a long, lucrative position. This is the kind of financial-sporting strategic management that we'd do so much better if we had a technical director.
Secondly, let's not assume it will be easy to replace DDG, even if now is the right time. I have no doubts about Henderson's quality based on observations but our memories should be littered with examples of talented young keepers who had a couple of highly impressive breakout seasons and then simply didn't make it when they earned their big move. The margins are so fine in that position, which I guess is why subtle psychological ups and downs can make such a difference, and in turn why it's particularly hard to pre-judge whether a recruitment decision will be successful.
Controversial take but he's never been truly top class.
A world class shot stopper at points without doubt but there's always been an underbelly of softness, he's never commanded his area or been as reliable as the truly great keepers.
Controversial take but he's never been truly top class.
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Yeah if you live in a parallel universe i can see how this may be the case.
As for "he has stuck by us so we should stick by him"...
1) Is there anyone making this argument who thinks he's past his best and we could significantly improve on him? If you think he's the best keeper for United, then be honest that this is the real reason you advocate holding on to him. It's easy to be loyal to someone who's useful to you.
2) How do we know that DDG's staying at United was down to loyalty? He has been stupendously well remunerated while at the club. He has flirted with leaving (and credit to him for behaving as a model pro throughout) and his exit hasn't happened presumably because other clubs haven't offered the transfer fee our club demanded and/or United have offered him salary increases that have made it in his interest to sign on. It has been a mutually beneficial relationship in which both parties have acted in a self-interested way. It's not like De Gea standing shoulder to shoulder with us during the Blitz. As per point 1, the only relevant question is the brutal one of whether he is the best available player to take us forward.
comment by Adam Z Lucifer - Rooneysrage9 (U22327)
posted 11 seconds ago
Controversial take but he's never been truly top class.
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Yeah if you live in a parallel universe i can see how this may be the case.
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Let’s be honest, DDG wouldn’t be a United player but for a broken fax machine
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
Let’s be honest, DDG wouldn’t be a United player but for a broken fax machine
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Of that everyone is aware. However the point is he did stay and was the best keeper around after that.
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
Let’s be honest, DDG wouldn’t be a United player but for a broken fax machine
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Probably the only time Ed's incompetent running of the club has worked in our favour
Just thinking about the relative merits of our big three keepers of the Premier League era. Ranking them is a bit boring, but what would qualities from each would the composite ultimate keeper have?
- Schmeichel: command of box and back four; one-on-ones; distribution by throwing
- VDS: calmness; positioning; distribution by kicking
- DDG: shot stopping; reflexes
comment by Adam Z Lucifer - Rooneysrage9 (U22327)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
Let’s be honest, DDG wouldn’t be a United player but for a broken fax machine
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Of that everyone is aware. However the point is he did stay and was the best keeper around after that.
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Up to a point - but not for the last 2 seasons where he’s probably not even in the top 3 PL keepers
Apart from that error v Everton I think he's been good recently. In fact, he's even started venturing to the edge of his box for a while.
However, for a GK who relies on his reflexes a lot I wouldn't see a situation where he stays until he's 40 such as VDS. Those reflexes go so I can see a situation where he leaves us towards his mid 30s if he stays with us. Funnily enough with De Gea though I think he performs better when he has a lot to do which is why I do find it strange we're not more expansive at times.
As for Henderson he does look a top keeper but there's a lot less pressure at Sheff Utd.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 27 seconds ago
Just thinking about the relative merits of our big three keepers of the Premier League era. Ranking them is a bit boring, but what would qualities from each would the composite ultimate keeper have?
- Schmeichel: command of box and back four; one-on-ones; distribution by throwing
- VDS: calmness; positioning; distribution by kicking
- DDG: shot stopping; reflexes
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You have to factor in that his predecessors had competent and world class defenders and teams in front of them. DDG has not been afforded that luxury. In many cases he has had players in front of him that he must be certain came out of the nearest posssible clown car
His errors are a worry but we’ve got bigger issues to worry about than replacing him right now. He’s been a lot better this season as well. People overstate his poor form - like they always have - he’s not actually been bad this season. He’s just not near the ridiculous levels he’d previously set.
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posted on 4/3/20
Still as upbeat as ever then
posted on 4/3/20
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 2 minutes ago
Still as upbeat as ever then
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I am about Henderson 🤪
posted on 4/3/20
Swap deal with Kepa?
posted on 4/3/20
For a bloke who's been our standout player post Fergie, to throw him out straight away is very premature. I'm willing to give him another season to fix up.
Since the World Cup his form has taken a huge dip, and hopefully he comes back on top. He was fine for the last few months as well.
posted on 4/3/20
de gea was already the worlds hgihest paid keeper beforehand so its nothing to do with that.
its because he knows he should be competing for the highest prizes and has given 9 years to us. hes probably exacerbated at the chit out in front of him.
posted on 4/3/20
He was iffy before but Spain destroyed him. He ain't ever coming back.
posted on 4/3/20
Henderson deserves his shot
==========================
No he doesn't. DDG has given us years of amazing service. He deserves us to stick by him the way he stuck by us.
Henderson doesnt deserve a damn thing.
posted on 4/3/20
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 2 minutes ago
He was iffy before but Spain destroyed him. He ain't ever coming back.
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He was the best keeper in the world before the WC, in what world was he 'iffy'?
posted on 4/3/20
comment by Adam Z Lucifer - Rooneysrage9 (U22327)
posted 3 minutes ago
Henderson deserves his shot
==========================
No he doesn't. DDG has given us years of amazing service. He deserves us to stick by him the way he stuck by us.
Henderson doesnt deserve a damn thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I mean, other than performing better than DDG for 2 seasons now, right? Or are we still a fanbase that wants to live on past glories?
Continuing to stick with an unmotivated player who has now 2 years of poor form behind him, shows a weakness.
Look at Lampard. Kepa, worlds most expensive keeper, had a bad spell, and suddenly he's on the bench. Sets a message. Deal with it, get better, but know you're not untouchable. Players should not play on name alone, nor play just because they have given us years of service.
I'd have been just as happy to see De Gea sold a few year back and Romero the number 1. Class keeper who clearly loves the club, and rarely lets us down.
posted on 4/3/20
romero is a second rate keeper who rarely lets us down because he usually plays cup or europa league fodder. . the fact is at the top of game de gea is the best in the world. period. His poor form has been massively exaggerated.
posted on 4/3/20
comment by Adam Z Lucifer - Rooneysrage9 (U22327)
posted 11 minutes ago
Henderson deserves his shot
==========================
No he doesn't. DDG has given us years of amazing service. He deserves us to stick by him the way he stuck by us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i actually agree with you there.
Allison, Pickford, Leno, Kepa, Edison ALL drop clangers, errors are part and parcel of the game, the only difference being when its a keeper it usually results in a goal.
as stretty said above, DDG has stuck with us when we have been an absolute shambles... and some bad form and people want him sold.
posted on 4/3/20
comment by Adam Z Lucifer - Rooneysrage9 (U22327)
posted 15 minutes ago
de gea was already the worlds hgihest paid keeper beforehand so its nothing to do with that.
its because he knows he should be competing for the highest prizes and has given 9 years to us. hes probably exacerbated at the chit out in front of him.
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This is probably closer to the truth.
posted on 4/3/20
I'd tend to say now is the time to move on from DDG. Despite his incredible shot-stopping ability, I've never quite seen him at the level of Schmeichel or VDS. He has never commanded the box in the way you'd expect a world class keeper to, which impacts the defence as a whole even if it's not evident in his stats. His distribution isn't up there with the top keepers - something that matters a lot more in today's game. He's never been the most proactive goalie, which matters if we aspire to play a high line.
Two side comments. First, if now is the time to get rid, we've obviously put ourselves, once again, in just about the most financially disadvantageous position with regard to a waning talent on a long, lucrative position. This is the kind of financial-sporting strategic management that we'd do so much better if we had a technical director.
Secondly, let's not assume it will be easy to replace DDG, even if now is the right time. I have no doubts about Henderson's quality based on observations but our memories should be littered with examples of talented young keepers who had a couple of highly impressive breakout seasons and then simply didn't make it when they earned their big move. The margins are so fine in that position, which I guess is why subtle psychological ups and downs can make such a difference, and in turn why it's particularly hard to pre-judge whether a recruitment decision will be successful.
posted on 4/3/20
Controversial take but he's never been truly top class.
A world class shot stopper at points without doubt but there's always been an underbelly of softness, he's never commanded his area or been as reliable as the truly great keepers.
posted on 4/3/20
Controversial take but he's never been truly top class.
==========================
Yeah if you live in a parallel universe i can see how this may be the case.
posted on 4/3/20
As for "he has stuck by us so we should stick by him"...
1) Is there anyone making this argument who thinks he's past his best and we could significantly improve on him? If you think he's the best keeper for United, then be honest that this is the real reason you advocate holding on to him. It's easy to be loyal to someone who's useful to you.
2) How do we know that DDG's staying at United was down to loyalty? He has been stupendously well remunerated while at the club. He has flirted with leaving (and credit to him for behaving as a model pro throughout) and his exit hasn't happened presumably because other clubs haven't offered the transfer fee our club demanded and/or United have offered him salary increases that have made it in his interest to sign on. It has been a mutually beneficial relationship in which both parties have acted in a self-interested way. It's not like De Gea standing shoulder to shoulder with us during the Blitz. As per point 1, the only relevant question is the brutal one of whether he is the best available player to take us forward.
posted on 4/3/20
comment by Adam Z Lucifer - Rooneysrage9 (U22327)
posted 11 seconds ago
Controversial take but he's never been truly top class.
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Yeah if you live in a parallel universe i can see how this may be the case.
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posted on 4/3/20
Let’s be honest, DDG wouldn’t be a United player but for a broken fax machine
posted on 4/3/20
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
Let’s be honest, DDG wouldn’t be a United player but for a broken fax machine
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Of that everyone is aware. However the point is he did stay and was the best keeper around after that.
posted on 4/3/20
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
Let’s be honest, DDG wouldn’t be a United player but for a broken fax machine
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Probably the only time Ed's incompetent running of the club has worked in our favour
posted on 4/3/20
Just thinking about the relative merits of our big three keepers of the Premier League era. Ranking them is a bit boring, but what would qualities from each would the composite ultimate keeper have?
- Schmeichel: command of box and back four; one-on-ones; distribution by throwing
- VDS: calmness; positioning; distribution by kicking
- DDG: shot stopping; reflexes
posted on 4/3/20
comment by Adam Z Lucifer - Rooneysrage9 (U22327)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
Let’s be honest, DDG wouldn’t be a United player but for a broken fax machine
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of that everyone is aware. However the point is he did stay and was the best keeper around after that.
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Up to a point - but not for the last 2 seasons where he’s probably not even in the top 3 PL keepers
posted on 4/3/20
Apart from that error v Everton I think he's been good recently. In fact, he's even started venturing to the edge of his box for a while.
However, for a GK who relies on his reflexes a lot I wouldn't see a situation where he stays until he's 40 such as VDS. Those reflexes go so I can see a situation where he leaves us towards his mid 30s if he stays with us. Funnily enough with De Gea though I think he performs better when he has a lot to do which is why I do find it strange we're not more expansive at times.
As for Henderson he does look a top keeper but there's a lot less pressure at Sheff Utd.
posted on 4/3/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 27 seconds ago
Just thinking about the relative merits of our big three keepers of the Premier League era. Ranking them is a bit boring, but what would qualities from each would the composite ultimate keeper have?
- Schmeichel: command of box and back four; one-on-ones; distribution by throwing
- VDS: calmness; positioning; distribution by kicking
- DDG: shot stopping; reflexes
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You have to factor in that his predecessors had competent and world class defenders and teams in front of them. DDG has not been afforded that luxury. In many cases he has had players in front of him that he must be certain came out of the nearest posssible clown car
posted on 4/3/20
His errors are a worry but we’ve got bigger issues to worry about than replacing him right now. He’s been a lot better this season as well. People overstate his poor form - like they always have - he’s not actually been bad this season. He’s just not near the ridiculous levels he’d previously set.
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