Wtf is this "game management" you're rambling about?
AM were pinned back for long periods, couldn't keep control of the ball and apart from.their keeper have a great game and Liverpools having a sheite night they would have lost.
Stop trying to make the phrase fit, it means fck all in context of this game.
Idiot.
And that's exactly what game management is. They were leading 1-0 from the first leg, they could afford to defend and bide their time which played into their natural style of play/tactics, Liverpool tired mentally and physically throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it and overall they coped well enough to still be in the game.
The most beautiful part of their game management was just attacking when they needed to at a point where Liverpool had tired and forgotten they might need to actually focus on defending.
It was a masterplan but you don't see it and likely will never understand it.
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That winter break has inexplicably derailed our season. We have now started to kick on again but just feel that we took too many games to get our sharpness back. In which time, we lost our unbeaten run and out of both FA cup and CL. Scrap winter break from now on!!
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Don't be a prat.. We were far and away the better team. 35 shots v atletico
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I am not saying today. We were great today but this was lost in the first leg. Had the first leg been today, we would have smashed them in Madrid. As it turned out, we were feeble there with no away goal and got our just desserts today. That winter break broke our momentum.
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You've being a prat again.. so soon after your last attempt
How the fack was this lost in the first leg when we got ourselves into a winning position tonight only for a keeper error to screw it?
You don't have talk some balls.
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My point is had we played like we were before the break, we would most probably have got an away goal which means that the game would have been different today. The loss of momentum has screwed us. We are only now getting our sharpness back but unfortunately too late. The lack of an away goal is what did it for us.
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So we didn't lose it in the first leg then..
Fack me.. You're saying the mistake from Adrian is not the pivotal moment in the tie.. ?
They quite clearly did play for extra time after conceding the first to be fair. They just didn’t play for conceding the one in extra time.
Stunning game management from Atletico.
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And that's exactly what game management is. They were leading 1-0 from the first leg, they could afford to defend and bide their time which played into their natural style of play/tactics, Liverpool tired mentally and physically throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it and overall they coped well enough to still be in the game.
The most beautiful part of their game management was just attacking when they needed to at a point where Liverpool had tired and forgotten they might need to actually focus on defending.
It was a masterplan but you don't see it and likely will never understand it.
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You're completely missing the part where they would have lost if not for quite a large slice of fortune. Liverpool literally only looked tired after the second goal (which was poor defending, not really great counter attacking), and by that point the game was over.
No team plans to concede that many chances or that much possession in a top level game...
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Stunning game management from Atletico.
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And I'm out - you're clearly a moron on the wind up...
Yeah this "you can't buy class" contributor is the epitome of trying too hard to wum
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No team plans to concede that many chances or that much possession in a top level game...
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You really don't know anything about Atletico and Simeone then, With Liverpool being a very attacking team, a 1-0 lead from the first leg, no away goals conceded they did exactly what they needed to do. That's game management.
How many of the chances were clear cut?
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Stunning game management from Atletico.
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And I'm out - you're clearly a moron on the wind up...
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If all you can do is insult when you get destroyed in an argument then it's not me who is the moron
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And that's exactly what game management is. They were leading 1-0 from the first leg, they could afford to defend and bide their time which played into their natural style of play/tactics, Liverpool tired mentally and physically throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it and overall they coped well enough to still be in the game.
The most beautiful part of their game management was just attacking when they needed to at a point where Liverpool had tired and forgotten they might need to actually focus on defending.
It was a masterplan but you don't see it and likely will never understand it.
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You're completely missing the part where they would have lost if not for quite a large slice of fortune. Liverpool literally only looked tired after the second goal (which was poor defending, not really great counter attacking), and by that point the game was over.
No team plans to concede that many chances or that much possession in a top level game...
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Do you watch Atletico much?!
It is mad how successful they are in doing it in CL games. That wasn’t a particularly good performance by them. As you say, they gave away way too many chances. That’s ultimately on Liverpool though for not finishing them though. Some were more difficult than people realise but a lot was down to a wrong final decision or poor finishing.
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And that's exactly what game management is. They were leading 1-0 from the first leg, they could afford to defend and bide their time which played into their natural style of play/tactics, Liverpool tired mentally and physically throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it and overall they coped well enough to still be in the game.
The most beautiful part of their game management was just attacking when they needed to at a point where Liverpool had tired and forgotten they might need to actually focus on defending.
It was a masterplan but you don't see it and likely will never understand it.
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You're completely missing the part where they would have lost if not for quite a large slice of fortune. Liverpool literally only looked tired after the second goal (which was poor defending, not really great counter attacking), and by that point the game was over.
No team plans to concede that many chances or that much possession in a top level game...
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Do you watch Atletico much?!
It is mad how successful they are in doing it in CL games. That wasn’t a particularly good performance by them. As you say, they gave away way too many chances. That’s ultimately on Liverpool though for not finishing them though. Some were more difficult than people realise but a lot was down to a wrong final decision or poor finishing.
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Someone else with a brain here at last
Number of chances is not important, it's quality of chances. Game management involved limiting the most dangerous Liverpool players who could turn the tie around to next to nothing and what happened? Salah & Mane had poor games, Atletico managed the real threats superbly.
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And that's exactly what game management is. They were leading 1-0 from the first leg, they could afford to defend and bide their time which played into their natural style of play/tactics, Liverpool tired mentally and physically throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it and overall they coped well enough to still be in the game.
The most beautiful part of their game management was just attacking when they needed to at a point where Liverpool had tired and forgotten they might need to actually focus on defending.
It was a masterplan but you don't see it and likely will never understand it.
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You're completely missing the part where they would have lost if not for quite a large slice of fortune. Liverpool literally only looked tired after the second goal (which was poor defending, not really great counter attacking), and by that point the game was over.
No team plans to concede that many chances or that much possession in a top level game...
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Do you watch Atletico much?!
It is mad how successful they are in doing it in CL games. That wasn’t a particularly good performance by them. As you say, they gave away way too many chances. That’s ultimately on Liverpool though for not finishing them though. Some were more difficult than people realise but a lot was down to a wrong final decision or poor finishing.
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I'm not saying that their plan wasn't to defend - that much is obvious. I just don't think that they would have planned to have the game turn out that way. If Liverpool hadn't conceded from the Adrian mistake, and they'd gone through, would we be sat here saying - "Well, Atleti's plan was perfect and they managed the game well'?
We'd be heaping praise on Liverpool, and Oblak - but not on Atleti's defending.
That's my point.
Basically - just because their plan just about came to fruition, doesn't mean that their plan was a good one, or executed well.
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That winter break has inexplicably derailed our season. We have now started to kick on again but just feel that we took too many games to get our sharpness back. In which time, we lost our unbeaten run and out of both FA cup and CL. Scrap winter break from now on!!
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Don't be a prat.. We were far and away the better team. 35 shots v atletico
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I am not saying today. We were great today but this was lost in the first leg. Had the first leg been today, we would have smashed them in Madrid. As it turned out, we were feeble there with no away goal and got our just desserts today. That winter break broke our momentum.
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You've being a prat again.. so soon after your last attempt
How the fack was this lost in the first leg when we got ourselves into a winning position tonight only for a keeper error to screw it?
You don't have talk some balls.
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My point is had we played like we were before the break, we would most probably have got an away goal which means that the game would have been different today. The loss of momentum has screwed us. We are only now getting our sharpness back but unfortunately too late. The lack of an away goal is what did it for us.
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So we didn't lose it in the first leg then..
Fack me.. You're saying the mistake from Adrian is not the pivotal moment in the tie.. ?
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It was pivotal for sure but it did not need to come to that. Had we turned up properly for the first leg, we would have gone through comfortably. We were undercooked in the first leg which gave them a victory with a clean sheet and we were always going to be vulnerable at Anfield to an away goal.
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And that's exactly what game management is. They were leading 1-0 from the first leg, they could afford to defend and bide their time which played into their natural style of play/tactics, Liverpool tired mentally and physically throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it and overall they coped well enough to still be in the game.
The most beautiful part of their game management was just attacking when they needed to at a point where Liverpool had tired and forgotten they might need to actually focus on defending.
It was a masterplan but you don't see it and likely will never understand it.
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You're completely missing the part where they would have lost if not for quite a large slice of fortune. Liverpool literally only looked tired after the second goal (which was poor defending, not really great counter attacking), and by that point the game was over.
No team plans to concede that many chances or that much possession in a top level game...
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Do you watch Atletico much?!
It is mad how successful they are in doing it in CL games. That wasn’t a particularly good performance by them. As you say, they gave away way too many chances. That’s ultimately on Liverpool though for not finishing them though. Some were more difficult than people realise but a lot was down to a wrong final decision or poor finishing.
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I'm not saying that their plan wasn't to defend - that much is obvious. I just don't think that they would have planned to have the game turn out that way. If Liverpool hadn't conceded from the Adrian mistake, and they'd gone through, would we be sat here saying - "Well, Atleti's plan was perfect and they managed the game well'?
We'd be heaping praise on Liverpool, and Oblak - but not on Atleti's defending.
That's my point.
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You can't predict exactly how the game will go, you can only react to it and that is also game management. As soon as they were required to react they did so in spectacular fashion at a time where the Liverpool goalkeeper had fallen asleep along with his defence because they had been picking their noses for most of the game.
Simeone knew that if they were to make it through at anfield against a great attacking team they were most likely going to be hanging on for large periods of it, Atletico are used to doing that.
They were never going to go there with the situation of the tie and have an easy ride sitting back and defending. Liverpool had to go all out attack to get at least one go, Atletico love to defend and were never going to dominate the game, it really did fall nicely into their plans although you might not believe it.
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That winter break has inexplicably derailed our season. We have now started to kick on again but just feel that we took too many games to get our sharpness back. In which time, we lost our unbeaten run and out of both FA cup and CL. Scrap winter break from now on!!
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Don't be a prat.. We were far and away the better team. 35 shots v atletico
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I am not saying today. We were great today but this was lost in the first leg. Had the first leg been today, we would have smashed them in Madrid. As it turned out, we were feeble there with no away goal and got our just desserts today. That winter break broke our momentum.
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You've being a prat again.. so soon after your last attempt
How the fack was this lost in the first leg when we got ourselves into a winning position tonight only for a keeper error to screw it?
You don't have talk some balls.
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My point is had we played like we were before the break, we would most probably have got an away goal which means that the game would have been different today. The loss of momentum has screwed us. We are only now getting our sharpness back but unfortunately too late. The lack of an away goal is what did it for us.
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So we didn't lose it in the first leg then..
Fack me.. You're saying the mistake from Adrian is not the pivotal moment in the tie.. ?
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It was pivotal for sure but it did not need to come to that. Had we turned up properly for the first leg, we would have gone through comfortably. We were undercooked in the first leg which gave them a victory with a clean sheet and we were always going to be vulnerable at Anfield to an away goal.
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It was pivotal and it did come to that.
The first leg they got a jammy goal and defended for their lives.
Pivotal moment is Adrians error. Up until then we were going through and Atletico had to give up defending..
They covered 35 shots when defending. Had Adrian kicked a ball properly they would have given up some more chances when having to start chasing the game.
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And that's exactly what game management is. They were leading 1-0 from the first leg, they could afford to defend and bide their time which played into their natural style of play/tactics, Liverpool tired mentally and physically throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it and overall they coped well enough to still be in the game.
The most beautiful part of their game management was just attacking when they needed to at a point where Liverpool had tired and forgotten they might need to actually focus on defending.
It was a masterplan but you don't see it and likely will never understand it.
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You're completely missing the part where they would have lost if not for quite a large slice of fortune. Liverpool literally only looked tired after the second goal (which was poor defending, not really great counter attacking), and by that point the game was over.
No team plans to concede that many chances or that much possession in a top level game...
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Do you watch Atletico much?!
It is mad how successful they are in doing it in CL games. That wasn’t a particularly good performance by them. As you say, they gave away way too many chances. That’s ultimately on Liverpool though for not finishing them though. Some were more difficult than people realise but a lot was down to a wrong final decision or poor finishing.
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I'm not saying that their plan wasn't to defend - that much is obvious. I just don't think that they would have planned to have the game turn out that way. If Liverpool hadn't conceded from the Adrian mistake, and they'd gone through, would we be sat here saying - "Well, Atleti's plan was perfect and they managed the game well'?
We'd be heaping praise on Liverpool, and Oblak - but not on Atleti's defending.
That's my point.
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Yes I agree with that. Ultimately that’s football though, people judge it on results. They absolutely would have played to lose the possession battle and concede more chances, they do that all the time. The chances tend not to be as good as people think though. There weren’t many that Oblak saved that if he hadn’t, people would have said weren’t an error.
Liverpool are a better team and have better players than Atletico. They just didn’t take their chances (or develop them as well as they should have done) which allowed for the opportunity in extra time. It should never have got to that.
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Basically - just because their plan just about came to fruition, doesn't mean that their plan was a good one, or executed well.
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It was the best they could do given the different abilities of the teams, their natural tactics/style of play and propensity to defend/attack.
Any other kind of plan from Atletico (had they gone there to attack more) and Liverpool would be smiling right now I guarantee you.
Sure, maybe they conceded more chances than they would have liked but again, Simeone knew they were always going to need a bit of luck to go through and was most likely expecting penalties (even if they did defend well for 120 minutes + stoppage time).
Melton had it not been for Adrians error so soon after we scored Atletico would have had to come out and attack.
They conceded 35 shots while defending, that would have been added to had they had to sustain attacks.
But for Adrian being a prckk during an easy night for him it would have been so.
Atletico did something similar to Arsenal in the Europa League a few seasons back with Antoine Greasyman scoring a jammy goal to knock us out then doing his annoying French dance in celebration to rub it in. I didn't like him before that, I hated him after.
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Melton had it not been for Adrians error so soon after we scored Atletico would have had to come out and attack.
They conceded 35 shots while defending, that would have been added to had they had to sustain attacks.
But for Adrian being a prckk during an easy night for him it would have been so.
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I agree, but I also thought your attackers had an off day and should have wrapped it up in ninety minutes. As soon as it goes to the last ten minutes, or extra time, then anything can happen, like us against Spurs last season! I don’t really get the just blaming him, you had a couple of chances that really should have been finished (or the attacker could have passed instead of shot for an easy goal) in ninety minutes, it is their fault too ultimately.
You did still have time to rectify it as well, that second goal in extra time wasn’t just down to Adrian, that was poor defending in general.
It happens. Your performance was very good in general but it’s ultimately all about what happens in both boxes.
Considering the away goals rule as soon as it goes to the last 10-20 minutes the mental pressure really shifts and takes on a strange dynamic for the home team, there is no real room for defensive error and the Liverpool defence and goalkeeper cracked under that pressure.
For me, Atletico's second goal was poor defending, a 3v2 situation - 4v2 if you include Adrian and not one of the three defenders got tight on the free player (Llorente I think?) to cut off the pass... One was definitely Adrian's fault and the other 50/50 defence/goalkeeper.
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posted on 11/3/20
Wtf is this "game management" you're rambling about?
AM were pinned back for long periods, couldn't keep control of the ball and apart from.their keeper have a great game and Liverpools having a sheite night they would have lost.
Stop trying to make the phrase fit, it means fck all in context of this game.
Idiot.
posted on 11/3/20
And that's exactly what game management is. They were leading 1-0 from the first leg, they could afford to defend and bide their time which played into their natural style of play/tactics, Liverpool tired mentally and physically throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it and overall they coped well enough to still be in the game.
The most beautiful part of their game management was just attacking when they needed to at a point where Liverpool had tired and forgotten they might need to actually focus on defending.
It was a masterplan but you don't see it and likely will never understand it.
posted on 11/3/20
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That winter break has inexplicably derailed our season. We have now started to kick on again but just feel that we took too many games to get our sharpness back. In which time, we lost our unbeaten run and out of both FA cup and CL. Scrap winter break from now on!!
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Don't be a prat.. We were far and away the better team. 35 shots v atletico
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I am not saying today. We were great today but this was lost in the first leg. Had the first leg been today, we would have smashed them in Madrid. As it turned out, we were feeble there with no away goal and got our just desserts today. That winter break broke our momentum.
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You've being a prat again.. so soon after your last attempt
How the fack was this lost in the first leg when we got ourselves into a winning position tonight only for a keeper error to screw it?
You don't have talk some balls.
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My point is had we played like we were before the break, we would most probably have got an away goal which means that the game would have been different today. The loss of momentum has screwed us. We are only now getting our sharpness back but unfortunately too late. The lack of an away goal is what did it for us.
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So we didn't lose it in the first leg then..
Fack me.. You're saying the mistake from Adrian is not the pivotal moment in the tie.. ?
posted on 11/3/20
They quite clearly did play for extra time after conceding the first to be fair. They just didn’t play for conceding the one in extra time.
posted on 11/3/20
Stunning game management from Atletico.
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And that's exactly what game management is. They were leading 1-0 from the first leg, they could afford to defend and bide their time which played into their natural style of play/tactics, Liverpool tired mentally and physically throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it and overall they coped well enough to still be in the game.
The most beautiful part of their game management was just attacking when they needed to at a point where Liverpool had tired and forgotten they might need to actually focus on defending.
It was a masterplan but you don't see it and likely will never understand it.
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You're completely missing the part where they would have lost if not for quite a large slice of fortune. Liverpool literally only looked tired after the second goal (which was poor defending, not really great counter attacking), and by that point the game was over.
No team plans to concede that many chances or that much possession in a top level game...
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Stunning game management from Atletico.
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And I'm out - you're clearly a moron on the wind up...
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Yeah this "you can't buy class" contributor is the epitome of trying too hard to wum
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No team plans to concede that many chances or that much possession in a top level game...
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You really don't know anything about Atletico and Simeone then, With Liverpool being a very attacking team, a 1-0 lead from the first leg, no away goals conceded they did exactly what they needed to do. That's game management.
How many of the chances were clear cut?
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Stunning game management from Atletico.
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And I'm out - you're clearly a moron on the wind up...
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If all you can do is insult when you get destroyed in an argument then it's not me who is the moron
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And that's exactly what game management is. They were leading 1-0 from the first leg, they could afford to defend and bide their time which played into their natural style of play/tactics, Liverpool tired mentally and physically throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it and overall they coped well enough to still be in the game.
The most beautiful part of their game management was just attacking when they needed to at a point where Liverpool had tired and forgotten they might need to actually focus on defending.
It was a masterplan but you don't see it and likely will never understand it.
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You're completely missing the part where they would have lost if not for quite a large slice of fortune. Liverpool literally only looked tired after the second goal (which was poor defending, not really great counter attacking), and by that point the game was over.
No team plans to concede that many chances or that much possession in a top level game...
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Do you watch Atletico much?!
It is mad how successful they are in doing it in CL games. That wasn’t a particularly good performance by them. As you say, they gave away way too many chances. That’s ultimately on Liverpool though for not finishing them though. Some were more difficult than people realise but a lot was down to a wrong final decision or poor finishing.
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And that's exactly what game management is. They were leading 1-0 from the first leg, they could afford to defend and bide their time which played into their natural style of play/tactics, Liverpool tired mentally and physically throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it and overall they coped well enough to still be in the game.
The most beautiful part of their game management was just attacking when they needed to at a point where Liverpool had tired and forgotten they might need to actually focus on defending.
It was a masterplan but you don't see it and likely will never understand it.
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You're completely missing the part where they would have lost if not for quite a large slice of fortune. Liverpool literally only looked tired after the second goal (which was poor defending, not really great counter attacking), and by that point the game was over.
No team plans to concede that many chances or that much possession in a top level game...
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Do you watch Atletico much?!
It is mad how successful they are in doing it in CL games. That wasn’t a particularly good performance by them. As you say, they gave away way too many chances. That’s ultimately on Liverpool though for not finishing them though. Some were more difficult than people realise but a lot was down to a wrong final decision or poor finishing.
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Someone else with a brain here at last
Number of chances is not important, it's quality of chances. Game management involved limiting the most dangerous Liverpool players who could turn the tie around to next to nothing and what happened? Salah & Mane had poor games, Atletico managed the real threats superbly.
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And that's exactly what game management is. They were leading 1-0 from the first leg, they could afford to defend and bide their time which played into their natural style of play/tactics, Liverpool tired mentally and physically throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it and overall they coped well enough to still be in the game.
The most beautiful part of their game management was just attacking when they needed to at a point where Liverpool had tired and forgotten they might need to actually focus on defending.
It was a masterplan but you don't see it and likely will never understand it.
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You're completely missing the part where they would have lost if not for quite a large slice of fortune. Liverpool literally only looked tired after the second goal (which was poor defending, not really great counter attacking), and by that point the game was over.
No team plans to concede that many chances or that much possession in a top level game...
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Do you watch Atletico much?!
It is mad how successful they are in doing it in CL games. That wasn’t a particularly good performance by them. As you say, they gave away way too many chances. That’s ultimately on Liverpool though for not finishing them though. Some were more difficult than people realise but a lot was down to a wrong final decision or poor finishing.
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I'm not saying that their plan wasn't to defend - that much is obvious. I just don't think that they would have planned to have the game turn out that way. If Liverpool hadn't conceded from the Adrian mistake, and they'd gone through, would we be sat here saying - "Well, Atleti's plan was perfect and they managed the game well'?
We'd be heaping praise on Liverpool, and Oblak - but not on Atleti's defending.
That's my point.
posted on 11/3/20
Basically - just because their plan just about came to fruition, doesn't mean that their plan was a good one, or executed well.
posted on 11/3/20
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by KevinLFC (U6660)
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comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
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comment by KevinLFC (U6660)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by KevinLFC (U6660)
posted 4 minutes ago
That winter break has inexplicably derailed our season. We have now started to kick on again but just feel that we took too many games to get our sharpness back. In which time, we lost our unbeaten run and out of both FA cup and CL. Scrap winter break from now on!!
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Don't be a prat.. We were far and away the better team. 35 shots v atletico
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I am not saying today. We were great today but this was lost in the first leg. Had the first leg been today, we would have smashed them in Madrid. As it turned out, we were feeble there with no away goal and got our just desserts today. That winter break broke our momentum.
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You've being a prat again.. so soon after your last attempt
How the fack was this lost in the first leg when we got ourselves into a winning position tonight only for a keeper error to screw it?
You don't have talk some balls.
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My point is had we played like we were before the break, we would most probably have got an away goal which means that the game would have been different today. The loss of momentum has screwed us. We are only now getting our sharpness back but unfortunately too late. The lack of an away goal is what did it for us.
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So we didn't lose it in the first leg then..
Fack me.. You're saying the mistake from Adrian is not the pivotal moment in the tie.. ?
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It was pivotal for sure but it did not need to come to that. Had we turned up properly for the first leg, we would have gone through comfortably. We were undercooked in the first leg which gave them a victory with a clean sheet and we were always going to be vulnerable at Anfield to an away goal.
posted on 11/3/20
comment by (U22329)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by (U22329)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 28 seconds ago
And that's exactly what game management is. They were leading 1-0 from the first leg, they could afford to defend and bide their time which played into their natural style of play/tactics, Liverpool tired mentally and physically throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it and overall they coped well enough to still be in the game.
The most beautiful part of their game management was just attacking when they needed to at a point where Liverpool had tired and forgotten they might need to actually focus on defending.
It was a masterplan but you don't see it and likely will never understand it.
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You're completely missing the part where they would have lost if not for quite a large slice of fortune. Liverpool literally only looked tired after the second goal (which was poor defending, not really great counter attacking), and by that point the game was over.
No team plans to concede that many chances or that much possession in a top level game...
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Do you watch Atletico much?!
It is mad how successful they are in doing it in CL games. That wasn’t a particularly good performance by them. As you say, they gave away way too many chances. That’s ultimately on Liverpool though for not finishing them though. Some were more difficult than people realise but a lot was down to a wrong final decision or poor finishing.
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I'm not saying that their plan wasn't to defend - that much is obvious. I just don't think that they would have planned to have the game turn out that way. If Liverpool hadn't conceded from the Adrian mistake, and they'd gone through, would we be sat here saying - "Well, Atleti's plan was perfect and they managed the game well'?
We'd be heaping praise on Liverpool, and Oblak - but not on Atleti's defending.
That's my point.
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You can't predict exactly how the game will go, you can only react to it and that is also game management. As soon as they were required to react they did so in spectacular fashion at a time where the Liverpool goalkeeper had fallen asleep along with his defence because they had been picking their noses for most of the game.
Simeone knew that if they were to make it through at anfield against a great attacking team they were most likely going to be hanging on for large periods of it, Atletico are used to doing that.
posted on 11/3/20
They were never going to go there with the situation of the tie and have an easy ride sitting back and defending. Liverpool had to go all out attack to get at least one go, Atletico love to defend and were never going to dominate the game, it really did fall nicely into their plans although you might not believe it.
posted on 11/3/20
*goal
posted on 11/3/20
comment by KevinLFC (U6660)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by KevinLFC (U6660)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by KevinLFC (U6660)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by KevinLFC (U6660)
posted 4 minutes ago
That winter break has inexplicably derailed our season. We have now started to kick on again but just feel that we took too many games to get our sharpness back. In which time, we lost our unbeaten run and out of both FA cup and CL. Scrap winter break from now on!!
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Don't be a prat.. We were far and away the better team. 35 shots v atletico
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I am not saying today. We were great today but this was lost in the first leg. Had the first leg been today, we would have smashed them in Madrid. As it turned out, we were feeble there with no away goal and got our just desserts today. That winter break broke our momentum.
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You've being a prat again.. so soon after your last attempt
How the fack was this lost in the first leg when we got ourselves into a winning position tonight only for a keeper error to screw it?
You don't have talk some balls.
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My point is had we played like we were before the break, we would most probably have got an away goal which means that the game would have been different today. The loss of momentum has screwed us. We are only now getting our sharpness back but unfortunately too late. The lack of an away goal is what did it for us.
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So we didn't lose it in the first leg then..
Fack me.. You're saying the mistake from Adrian is not the pivotal moment in the tie.. ?
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It was pivotal for sure but it did not need to come to that. Had we turned up properly for the first leg, we would have gone through comfortably. We were undercooked in the first leg which gave them a victory with a clean sheet and we were always going to be vulnerable at Anfield to an away goal.
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It was pivotal and it did come to that.
The first leg they got a jammy goal and defended for their lives.
Pivotal moment is Adrians error. Up until then we were going through and Atletico had to give up defending..
They covered 35 shots when defending. Had Adrian kicked a ball properly they would have given up some more chances when having to start chasing the game.
posted on 11/3/20
comment by (U22329)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by (U22329)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 28 seconds ago
And that's exactly what game management is. They were leading 1-0 from the first leg, they could afford to defend and bide their time which played into their natural style of play/tactics, Liverpool tired mentally and physically throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it and overall they coped well enough to still be in the game.
The most beautiful part of their game management was just attacking when they needed to at a point where Liverpool had tired and forgotten they might need to actually focus on defending.
It was a masterplan but you don't see it and likely will never understand it.
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You're completely missing the part where they would have lost if not for quite a large slice of fortune. Liverpool literally only looked tired after the second goal (which was poor defending, not really great counter attacking), and by that point the game was over.
No team plans to concede that many chances or that much possession in a top level game...
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Do you watch Atletico much?!
It is mad how successful they are in doing it in CL games. That wasn’t a particularly good performance by them. As you say, they gave away way too many chances. That’s ultimately on Liverpool though for not finishing them though. Some were more difficult than people realise but a lot was down to a wrong final decision or poor finishing.
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I'm not saying that their plan wasn't to defend - that much is obvious. I just don't think that they would have planned to have the game turn out that way. If Liverpool hadn't conceded from the Adrian mistake, and they'd gone through, would we be sat here saying - "Well, Atleti's plan was perfect and they managed the game well'?
We'd be heaping praise on Liverpool, and Oblak - but not on Atleti's defending.
That's my point.
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Yes I agree with that. Ultimately that’s football though, people judge it on results. They absolutely would have played to lose the possession battle and concede more chances, they do that all the time. The chances tend not to be as good as people think though. There weren’t many that Oblak saved that if he hadn’t, people would have said weren’t an error.
Liverpool are a better team and have better players than Atletico. They just didn’t take their chances (or develop them as well as they should have done) which allowed for the opportunity in extra time. It should never have got to that.
posted on 11/3/20
comment by (U22329)
posted 10 minutes ago
Basically - just because their plan just about came to fruition, doesn't mean that their plan was a good one, or executed well.
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It was the best they could do given the different abilities of the teams, their natural tactics/style of play and propensity to defend/attack.
Any other kind of plan from Atletico (had they gone there to attack more) and Liverpool would be smiling right now I guarantee you.
Sure, maybe they conceded more chances than they would have liked but again, Simeone knew they were always going to need a bit of luck to go through and was most likely expecting penalties (even if they did defend well for 120 minutes + stoppage time).
posted on 11/3/20
Melton had it not been for Adrians error so soon after we scored Atletico would have had to come out and attack.
They conceded 35 shots while defending, that would have been added to had they had to sustain attacks.
But for Adrian being a prckk during an easy night for him it would have been so.
posted on 11/3/20
Atletico did something similar to Arsenal in the Europa League a few seasons back with Antoine Greasyman scoring a jammy goal to knock us out then doing his annoying French dance in celebration to rub it in. I didn't like him before that, I hated him after.
posted on 11/3/20
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
Melton had it not been for Adrians error so soon after we scored Atletico would have had to come out and attack.
They conceded 35 shots while defending, that would have been added to had they had to sustain attacks.
But for Adrian being a prckk during an easy night for him it would have been so.
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I agree, but I also thought your attackers had an off day and should have wrapped it up in ninety minutes. As soon as it goes to the last ten minutes, or extra time, then anything can happen, like us against Spurs last season! I don’t really get the just blaming him, you had a couple of chances that really should have been finished (or the attacker could have passed instead of shot for an easy goal) in ninety minutes, it is their fault too ultimately.
You did still have time to rectify it as well, that second goal in extra time wasn’t just down to Adrian, that was poor defending in general.
It happens. Your performance was very good in general but it’s ultimately all about what happens in both boxes.
posted on 12/3/20
Considering the away goals rule as soon as it goes to the last 10-20 minutes the mental pressure really shifts and takes on a strange dynamic for the home team, there is no real room for defensive error and the Liverpool defence and goalkeeper cracked under that pressure.
For me, Atletico's second goal was poor defending, a 3v2 situation - 4v2 if you include Adrian and not one of the three defenders got tight on the free player (Llorente I think?) to cut off the pass... One was definitely Adrian's fault and the other 50/50 defence/goalkeeper.
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