comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
You're wrong.

Completely wrong

Farmers want workers to harvest. What they are saying is that it will go to waste.

Perfectly understandable.
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Yeah, those same farmers who voted to do away with foreign labour.

Oops.

Maybe the UK fishing industry will save us?
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You’re saying farmers voted to have their influx of seasonal foreign workers stopped from coming in?



They were one of the most vociferous group trying to ensure we could get seasonal labour from Europe ffs.
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Plenty voted for Brexit, and this is merely ONE of the consequences of that.

They were told. We all were.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 29 seconds ago
I'm pretty sure all the farmers were for leaving until they realised the Government weren't going to make up the shortfall on EU subsidies and there would be restrictions on seasonal labour.
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You may or may not be right. I don't know too many farmers to make a judgement but I think it would be safe to say that they would prefer a UK market where demand outstrips supply.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/farmer-support-brexit-strong-ever-fw-poll-reveals

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm pretty sure all the farmers were for leaving until they realised the Government weren't going to make up the shortfall on EU subsidies and there would be restrictions on seasonal labour.
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Exactly this.

Selfish idiots.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/farmer-support-brexit-strong-ever-fw-poll-reveals
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Farmers and the Fishermen.

Greedy and selfish.

Greedy and shellfish?

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 10 minutes ago
https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/farmer-support-brexit-strong-ever-fw-poll-reveals
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2017?

I think they changed their minds once they realised the impact.

But as I said, I don't know too many farmers.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
Greedy and shellfish?
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Yep

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 29 seconds ago
I'm pretty sure all the farmers were for leaving until they realised the Government weren't going to make up the shortfall on EU subsidies and there would be restrictions on seasonal labour.
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You may or may not be right. I don't know too many farmers to make a judgement but I think it would be safe to say that they would prefer a UK market where demand outstrips supply.
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The agri industry is quite exposed by Brexit. Regardless of the loss of CAP and labour shortages meat tariffs are massive.

The industry is also currently protected by TRQs (tariff rate quotas) which prevents the UK market being swamped by cheaper produce from overseas.

TRQs sets the amount of a commodity that can be imported tariff free.

For example EU/New Zealand agree that they can export 100,000 tonnes of beef tariff free. But when the TRQ threshold of 100,000 tonnes is met, tariffs are imposed. Tariffs are commonly set at a fairly high rate, which renders exports that exceed the TRQ uncompetitive.

When the transition period ends we lose the EUs' TRQs.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 29 seconds ago
I'm pretty sure all the farmers were for leaving until they realised the Government weren't going to make up the shortfall on EU subsidies and there would be restrictions on seasonal labour.
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You may or may not be right. I don't know too many farmers to make a judgement but I think it would be safe to say that they would prefer a UK market where demand outstrips supply.
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The agri industry is quite exposed by Brexit. Regardless of the loss of CAP and labour shortages meat tariffs are massive.

The industry is also currently protected by TRQs (tariff rate quotas) which prevents the UK market being swamped by cheaper produce from overseas.

TRQs sets the amount of a commodity that can be imported tariff free.

For example EU/New Zealand agree that they can export 100,000 tonnes of beef tariff free. But when the TRQ threshold of 100,000 tonnes is met, tariffs are imposed. Tariffs are commonly set at a fairly high rate, which renders exports that exceed the TRQ uncompetitive.

When the transition period ends we lose the EUs' TRQs.
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I understand but what I was talking about is what farmers (or industry) would want. Demand outstripping supply.

Also I don't believe most farmers when it came down to the election wanted Brexit. I may be very wrong and as said I don't know too many farmers.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 29 seconds ago
I'm pretty sure all the farmers were for leaving until they realised the Government weren't going to make up the shortfall on EU subsidies and there would be restrictions on seasonal labour.
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You may or may not be right. I don't know too many farmers to make a judgement but I think it would be safe to say that they would prefer a UK market where demand outstrips supply.
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The agri industry is quite exposed by Brexit. Regardless of the loss of CAP and labour shortages meat tariffs are massive.

The industry is also currently protected by TRQs (tariff rate quotas) which prevents the UK market being swamped by cheaper produce from overseas.

TRQs sets the amount of a commodity that can be imported tariff free.

For example EU/New Zealand agree that they can export 100,000 tonnes of beef tariff free. But when the TRQ threshold of 100,000 tonnes is met, tariffs are imposed. Tariffs are commonly set at a fairly high rate, which renders exports that exceed the TRQ uncompetitive.

When the transition period ends we lose the EUs' TRQs.
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I understand but what I was talking about is what farmers (or industry) would want. Demand outstripping supply.

Also I don't believe most farmers when it came down to the election wanted Brexit. I may be very wrong and as said I don't know too many farmers.
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Yeah, understand the NFU were very much against Brexit.

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't think bringing in large numbers from out side of the country is a good idea. They should ask people who live nearby to help. But what it does highlight is we need a serological test and in very large numbers. This is probably the most cost effective thing as we can get people back to work then. We also need some form of proof of a negative test.
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No, what we need is f*cking food, not more of this xenophobic bull$hit.
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Yes but the UK wont run out of food

comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
Just financial services? If that were true, why do we bother to make anything?
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The UK doesn't bother to make a great deal.

However we do design and invent loads of products.

Then go abroad to make them cheaply.
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Think you need to have a word at how large UK manufacturing is and ask them to stop.

Think you need to have a word at how large UK manufacturing is and ask them to stop.
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Please translate this into English for me.

You can be pedantic or look at telling UK manufacturing they are not adding anything of value to our economy.

Do you mean..

You think that I personally should speak with British industrialists and innovators and reason with them to bite the bullet for the good of Queen and Country and convince them to manufacture their high-tech products in the UK, at vast cost, with a shortage of skilled hi-tech labour, rather than in countries where skilled labour is abundant and cheaper and where there are no business capital taxes, or other personal wealth and inheritance taxes... and the Sun shines a lot. People like... Brexiteer, James Dyson, for example?

Are you aware of whose job, that actually is?

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comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 32 seconds ago
Do you mean..

You think that I personally should speak with British industrialists and innovators and reason with them to bite the bullet for the good of Queen and Country and convince them to manufacture their high-tech products in the UK, at vast cost, with a shortage of skilled hi-tech labour, rather than in countries where skilled labour is abundant and cheaper and where there are no business capital taxes, or other personal wealth and inheritance taxes... and the Sun shines a lot. People like... Brexiteer, James Dyson, for example?

Are you aware of whose job, that actually is?
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Also worth noting that leaving the EU's customs union renders the JiT (just in time) manufacturing production obsolete.

For JiT to function, complex integrated cross-border supply chains have to be frictionless.

For example when Honda was giving evidence to the business select committee, it stated it retained only one hour's worth of parts used in its production lines.

It needed 350+ trucks with components/parts etc to be delivered each day from Europe.

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And so it begins.

I've been inundated with updates and calls from company owners and large construction firms.

Huge and swingeing salary cuts.
Start of redundancy processes on a significant scale
Furlough for everyone else with no top ups from employers
Widescale shut down

And that's just this morning

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 9 minutes ago
We are not going to re join the EU
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Agreed

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We are not going to re join the EU any time soon.

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see what Gingernuts did here.

I agree Cal. We wont anytime soon.

But I am sure if the EU survives Brexit and and flourishers further, then I predict we eventually will rejoin. One day.