The stats aren't as high yet, because it's only existed for three months! Are you that stupid?! It just incredibly stubborn?

comment by merrysupersteve - Jose'd he wouldn't be our Special One? (U1132)
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comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve - Jose'd he wouldn't be our Special One? (U1132)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
You're not getting it.

I hope you're at least social distancing
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thanks, where I live I don't have a choice

but I at least hope come real flu season later this year you also social distance, and next time you drink to excess, have a cig or east junk food you consider the NHS and its capacity too

probably won't though will you, no-one seems to give a cr@p about the real killers and instead focusses on a slightly more aggressive flu with a fancy name
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"Real flu"? Ffs this is twice as lethal and is 4 times as infectious as "real flu." It's 8 times more lethal. With no vaccination! Your crusade is ignoring basic facts
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twice as lethal...8 times as lethal....which one is it?

what crusade?

I am simply stating that this disease without the handful of anomalies is killing the elderly and infirm with underlying conditions.

because of this we have trashed economies made millions upon millions unemployed, reduced simple human liberties to nonexistent to essentially protect those groups from an aggressive flu.

if you think its worth it great, but when they die later this year of any of the other far more lethal conditions will anyone give as much of a cr@p?

if we didn't lock down and carried on as normal, then maybe this twice as deadly disease would've killed double the amount of people the flu kills, last year I believe 14k died in the UK of flu, so 28k would've died.

no-one wants anyone to die, but when this is over, those 14k are a live for another year or so, and the millions penniless, jobless, perhaps homeless

was it worth it?

also a number of your claims are false

"R0 is the number of secondary infections that can be generated from a single infected individual. For COVID-19, R0 has been estimated to be 2.2. EstimatesTrusted Source put the R0 of seasonal flu at about 1.28"

so its less than twice as infectious

"The results of studies on the exact mortality rate for COVID-19 have so far been varied. This calculation has been dependent on factors like location and population age.

Ranges from 0.25 to 3 percent have been estimated. One study of COVID-19 in Italy, in which almost a quarter of the population is 65 or older, puts the overall rate at 7.2 percent

Nevertheless, these estimated mortality rates are higher than that of seasonal influenza, which is estimated to be about 0.1 percent"

so assuming the WHO is correct, then its about 75% more infectious and likely to be twice to thrice as deadly

so again that 14k becomes 28-42k dead

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comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve - Jose'd he wouldn't be our Special One? (U1132)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve - Jose'd he wouldn't be our Special One? (U1132)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
You're not getting it.

I hope you're at least social distancing
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thanks, where I live I don't have a choice

but I at least hope come real flu season later this year you also social distance, and next time you drink to excess, have a cig or east junk food you consider the NHS and its capacity too

probably won't though will you, no-one seems to give a cr@p about the real killers and instead focusses on a slightly more aggressive flu with a fancy name
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"Real flu"? Ffs this is twice as lethal and is 4 times as infectious as "real flu." It's 8 times more lethal. With no vaccination! Your crusade is ignoring basic facts
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twice as lethal...8 times as lethal....which one is it?

what crusade?

I am simply stating that this disease without the handful of anomalies is killing the elderly and infirm with underlying conditions.

because of this we have trashed economies made millions upon millions unemployed, reduced simple human liberties to nonexistent to essentially protect those groups from an aggressive flu.

if you think its worth it great, but when they die later this year of any of the other far more lethal conditions will anyone give as much of a cr@p?

if we didn't lock down and carried on as normal, then maybe this twice as deadly disease would've killed double the amount of people the flu kills, last year I believe 14k died in the UK of flu, so 28k would've died.

no-one wants anyone to die, but when this is over, those 14k are a live for another year or so, and the millions penniless, jobless, perhaps homeless

was it worth it?
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And once again, will you be quite so flippant if a member of your own family or a close friend dies, alone, after drowning in their own fluids?

F*ck off with your “herd immunity” bullsh*t.

many of my own family could die from a gazillion reasons

flu being one, but I don't lock myself up for weeks on end trying not to spread it.

I also drink, eat rubbish more than I should, I don't care about the long term impact of those choices on the healthcare system.

no-one does.

you're all being so high and mighty like this is something new and scary, its not.

and Dave, 35m dead? really?

China believe their stats or not, are opening up, 3 months after their lockdown which shows its really not going to kill 35m is it? a country with a billion people wh allowed it to spread for quite sometime before locking down didn't lose 5m people did they?

comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 minute ago
many of my own family could die from a gazillion reasons

flu being one, but I don't lock myself up for weeks on end trying not to spread it.

I also drink, eat rubbish more than I should, I don't care about the long term impact of those choices on the healthcare system.

no-one does.

you're all being so high and mighty like this is something new and scary, its not.

and Dave, 35m dead? really?

China believe their stats or not, are opening up, 3 months after their lockdown which shows its really not going to kill 35m is it? a country with a billion people wh allowed it to spread for quite sometime before locking down didn't lose 5m people did they?
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Well thank f*ck we aren’t doing things your way, and for the millionth time THIS IS NOT FLU.

Stay at home.
Protect The NHS
Save lives.

no-one is saying it is the flu

however like influenza or rhinovirus it leads to respiratory illness which is what kills you not covid-19

it is one of many virus' that all end up in the same condition, so while you are correct its not the flu, the outcome is the same.

I'll bet everything I have right now that come December 31st FLU has killed more people than Covid-19 because when this over we'll all go back to our lives

you will all go into the office, the pub etc carrying influenza spreading it around and killing many at risk people but you won't care then, because the media didn't tell you to.

comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 minute ago
no-one is saying it is the flu

however like influenza or rhinovirus it leads to respiratory illness which is what kills you not covid-19

it is one of many virus' that all end up in the same condition, so while you are correct its not the flu, the outcome is the same.

I'll bet everything I have right now that come December 31st FLU has killed more people than Covid-19 because when this over we'll all go back to our lives

you will all go into the office, the pub etc carrying influenza spreading it around and killing many at risk people but you won't care then, because the media didn't tell you to.
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Nothing to do with the media.

It’s advice from the WHO & health care professionals.

You’re not stuck at home, you’re safe at home.

these same people also spout isolation if you think you have the flu

do you, does anyone? no they don't that's why nearly a million people die every year (and that's only the countries who actually test and report it)

the sad reality of this, is that we will kill more people indirectly, by the methods used to contain this.

joblessness, homelessness, pension funds wiped out, suicide, the list goes on.

it's sad that we have romantically made this about the few and not the many.

to reverse quote winston Churchill, never in the history of mankind have so few owed so much to so many

If I had the flu, real flu, I would stay at home.

comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 26 seconds ago
the sad reality of this, is that we will kill more people indirectly, by the methods used to contain this.

joblessness, homelessness, pension funds wiped out, suicide, the list goes on.

it's sad that we have romantically made this about the few and not the many.

to reverse quote winston Churchill, never in the history of mankind have so few owed so much to so many
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Oh do shut up.

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 26 seconds ago
the sad reality of this, is that we will kill more people indirectly, by the methods used to contain this.

joblessness, homelessness, pension funds wiped out, suicide, the list goes on.

it's sad that we have romantically made this about the few and not the many.

to reverse quote winston Churchill, never in the history of mankind have so few owed so much to so many
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Oh do shut up.
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so you think then that this cure is worth the cost ?

I hope you don't lose your job, your house, or anyone in your family is left in dire straits because of this because you may change your opinion then.

in fact I'm going to keep any eye out for your username in future, see if you start b1tching abut the world we create in the aftermath of this because I think you are all fixated on the here and now and have no idea what these measures are going to do to the economy and our general lives moving forward

comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 26 seconds ago
the sad reality of this, is that we will kill more people indirectly, by the methods used to contain this.

joblessness, homelessness, pension funds wiped out, suicide, the list goes on.

it's sad that we have romantically made this about the few and not the many.

to reverse quote winston Churchill, never in the history of mankind have so few owed so much to so many
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Oh do shut up.
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so you think then that this cure is worth the cost ?

I hope you don't lose your job, your house, or anyone in your family is left in dire straits because of this because you may change your opinion then.

in fact I'm going to keep any eye out for your username in future, see if you start b1tching abut the world we create in the aftermath of this because I think you are all fixated on the here and now and have no idea what these measures are going to do to the economy and our general lives moving forward
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Sorry, what were your qualifications again?

I’ll stick with what the experts say thanks, not some deranged Troll on a football forum.

The quicker we contain it, the quicker we eradicate it. Yes China’s numbers are down, but look at the lengths they went to, they were literally dragging suspected infected people from their homes by force to isolate them.


Test, test, test, test and isolate.

which experts?

many, many financial experts have forewarned on the world and economies that will emerge from this unprecedented lock down.

as I have said, we are saving the few at the cost of the many.

With partial lockdowns across the country leading to a sudden stop in economic activity, the U.S. economy will experience the largest economic contraction on record with the most severe surge in unemployment ever,” said Gregory Daco, chief U.S. economist at Oxford Economics in New York.

“We expect jobless claims will continue to climb as more economic activity shuts down.”

Initial claims for unemployment benefits rose 3.00 million to a seasonally adjusted 3.28 million in the week ending March 21, eclipsing the previous record of 695,000 set in 1982, the Labor Department said. That also dwarfed the peak of 665,000 in applications during the 2007-2009 recession, during which 8.7 million jobs were lost.

3.5m lost their job in a week, nearly 6 times the 08 fiscal crisis.

3.5m in a week, let that sink in, to save how many thousand? 3.5m. economic experts believe the US unemployment rate could top 15% that's 45m, that's 36m more unemployed than prior to this outbreak.

36m lives ruined because an aggressive flu meant we all had to shut down despite no real risk to 99% of the population.

and that's just the US, could be half a billion lives ruined by time this economic toll plays out

comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 43 seconds ago
and that's just the US, could be half a billion lives ruined by time this economic toll plays out
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So you’d prefer half a billion deaths?

One infected person would on average infect 3 more people, then those three another three each and so on and so on.

I actually understand what you’re trying to say, but you’re wrong. Worryingly wrong.

comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 6 minutes ago
which experts?

many, many financial experts have forewarned on the world and economies that will emerge from this unprecedented lock down.

as I have said, we are saving the few at the cost of the many.

With partial lockdowns across the country leading to a sudden stop in economic activity, the U.S. economy will experience the largest economic contraction on record with the most severe surge in unemployment ever,” said Gregory Daco, chief U.S. economist at Oxford Economics in New York.

“We expect jobless claims will continue to climb as more economic activity shuts down.”

Initial claims for unemployment benefits rose 3.00 million to a seasonally adjusted 3.28 million in the week ending March 21, eclipsing the previous record of 695,000 set in 1982, the Labor Department said. That also dwarfed the peak of 665,000 in applications during the 2007-2009 recession, during which 8.7 million jobs were lost.

3.5m lost their job in a week, nearly 6 times the 08 fiscal crisis.

3.5m in a week, let that sink in, to save how many thousand? 3.5m. economic experts believe the US unemployment rate could top 15% that's 45m, that's 36m more unemployed than prior to this outbreak.

36m lives ruined because an aggressive flu meant we all had to shut down despite no real risk to 99% of the population.
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It’s not flu.

And the sooner people like you understand that, the better.

99% of people are not at risk of dying?

So 1% are.

66 Million people in the UK, so we’re talking 660,000 deaths in this country alone if we do nothing.

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