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posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 31 minutes ago
If you reduced the wealth of the 1%, by a one off tax of 23% the economic cost of covid would be covered
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Lunacy.
As usual, attack people's savings.
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lol
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comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 9 seconds ago
Wait sorry Admin, I misread that as a one off tax of 1 percent on the top 23 percent.
Apologies, idiot brain.
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No worries
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You are spot on actually IMO.
L
Keep the lockdown for the most vulnerable.
And by vulnerable I mean people with a weight problem.
Why them, just look at the pictures of the dead they are all look overweight to me.
Maybe we could take peoples BMI and lock them down.
As for hospices they are mainly waiting to die any way so what difference does a couple of months make to them.
Too many old people are in care homes because too many people don't want the hassle of looking after their parents.
The whole of this pandemic is just what the world needs a cull of an ageing population that is just a drain on the rest of us, andvanced medicine keeps people alive that should have died in the natural scheme of things.
We all complain about global warming, but when Gaia comes up with the solution we do our best to thwart her efforts.
I know I come across as heartless, I just have a different perspective on life.
comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 26 minutes ago
That said, I don't think they will be going after the 1 percent.
They will be going after savers of all stripes. They will have no choice but to do so.
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I'd say you are right. I was just showing the scale of the wealth of the 1 percent. Which when put in context of cost of covid is pause for thought.
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 7 minutes ago
Keep the lockdown for the most vulnerable.
And by vulnerable I mean people with a weight problem.
Why them, just look at the pictures of the dead they are all look overweight to me.
Maybe we could take peoples BMI and lock them down.
As for hospices they are mainly waiting to die any way so what difference does a couple of months make to them.
Too many old people are in care homes because too many people don't want the hassle of looking after their parents.
The whole of this pandemic is just what the world needs a cull of an ageing population that is just a drain on the rest of us, andvanced medicine keeps people alive that should have died in the natural scheme of things.
We all complain about global warming, but when Gaia comes up with the solution we do our best to thwart her efforts.
I know I come across as heartless, I just have a different perspective on life.
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There's a reason you come across as heartless. I don't know if your parents are alive, but if so they will be anxious.
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 12 minutes ago
Keep the lockdown for the most vulnerable.
And by vulnerable I mean people with a weight problem.
Why them, just look at the pictures of the dead they are all look overweight to me.
Maybe we could take peoples BMI and lock them down.
As for hospices they are mainly waiting to die any way so what difference does a couple of months make to them.
Too many old people are in care homes because too many people don't want the hassle of looking after their parents.
The whole of this pandemic is just what the world needs a cull of an ageing population that is just a drain on the rest of us, andvanced medicine keeps people alive that should have died in the natural scheme of things.
We all complain about global warming, but when Gaia comes up with the solution we do our best to thwart her efforts.
I know I come across as heartless, I just have a different perspective on life.
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comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 28 minutes ago
Keep the lockdown for the most vulnerable.
And by vulnerable I mean people with a weight problem.
Why them, just look at the pictures of the dead they are all look overweight to me.
Maybe we could take peoples BMI and lock them down.
As for hospices they are mainly waiting to die any way so what difference does a couple of months make to them.
Too many old people are in care homes because too many people don't want the hassle of looking after their parents.
The whole of this pandemic is just what the world needs a cull of an ageing population that is just a drain on the rest of us, andvanced medicine keeps people alive that should have died in the natural scheme of things.
We all complain about global warming, but when Gaia comes up with the solution we do our best to thwart her efforts.
I know I come across as heartless, I just have a different perspective on life.
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Christ
GunaDave, despite the somewhat frank way your post came across, you do raise some facts. People in care homes and hospices would probably have died at some point in the short to medium future.
Also the death rate in hospitals (as reported) will definitely have a high proportion of people with Heart Disease and Diabetes as Admin1 posted in his analysis earlier.
BUT, every life is a tragedy for a family, so a little bit of compassion wouldn't go amiss
BMI can fack off. I'm overweight according to that
comment by See You Next Tuesday (U3090)
posted 7 minutes ago
GunaDave, despite the somewhat frank way your post came across, you do raise some facts. People in care homes and hospices would probably have died at some point in the short to medium future.
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Blimey, how glib.
comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
I think people in favour of this "lockdown" and its continuation need to acknowledge three points:
1) There is no reliable vaccine for SARS, MERS or the common cold, which are all corona viruses. So, suggesting that a social distancing policy can remain in place until there is a vaccine is flawed thinking. There may never be a vaccine, and the 12-18 month window is a best case scenario anyway. The reality is the success rates of vaccine trials are really low and if there is a vaccine it could be 5 years away.
2) The economy = lives, it is "not money versus lives". The crippling levels of public debt could have a serious, generational impact on our ability to fund hospitals, schools and front line services, while the collapse of multiple businesses across every sector of our economy could lead to mass unemployment, homelessness, and a skyrocketing welfare bill. The government does not make money, it is using our money to pay for this, and we will be footing the bill for these measures.
3) If you look closely at deaths of people in social care, you will notice a phenomenon represented across the whole country. There has been an increase in deaths, and about 50 percent aren't registered as being related to coronavirus.
Granted, some may be untested coronavirus victims, but many will be people dying from organ failures, strokes and side-effects of cancer who haven't received the usual medical treatment they would otherwise get.
Across the country we are seeing cancer treatment delayed, operations pushed back, and emergency care compromised. We also can observe a huge spike in domestic violence, and a marked increase in referrals for mental health treatment.
There is also, worryingly, a huge increase in the purchase of alcohol and processed food.
Also, when it comes to elderly people, they can age very quickly. Depriving formerly very healthy over 70s of their daily exercises, social activities and time outdoors, along with their connections to friends, while shutting them away for 3 months indoors has, according to Dr Sucharit Bhakdi at the University of Mainz, a more significant effect on their long-term health than coronavirus.
I haven't even mentioned the huge cost to children being deprived of their education and sheltered at home.
These are things lockdown advocates need to acknoweldge.
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Excellent post. I would like to add the following observation.
Tests on astronauts have proven that isolation wrecks the immune system. We are guaranteed a huge spike in illness and disease when we lift the restrictions.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 17 minutes ago
BMI can fack off. I'm overweight according to that
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Fat coont
Having checked mine last night and scraped in by 1lb
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 26 minutes ago
That said, I don't think they will be going after the 1 percent.
They will be going after savers of all stripes. They will have no choice but to do so.
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I'd say you are right. I was just showing the scale of the wealth of the 1 percent. Which when put in context of cost of covid is absolutely sickening.
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by See You Next Tuesday (U3090)
posted 7 minutes ago
GunaDave, despite the somewhat frank way your post came across, you do raise some facts. People in care homes and hospices would probably have died at some point in the short to medium future.
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Blimey, how glib.
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How to pick one part of a comment but not quote the important bit...
BUT, every life is a tragedy for a family, so a little bit of compassion wouldn't go amiss
I’m not going to lie, I did see one poor guy who died and his story was on the news. He was 29, and his wife wanted to release his story to the press as a plea to say young people aren’t immune. Now that is a worthy cause to fight for.
But what got me though was his wife was insistent that he had no underlying health conditions. In each of the photos the guy by eye test was bordering on morbidly obese, at least (his wife the same). It isn’t really a true underlying health condition I guess but, in the same way you can be a chronic smoker, or a chronic hypertensive, being that size no doubt is an independent risk factor for mortality for COVID-19 even if the guy is ‘perfectly healthy’ overwise.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by See You Next Tuesday (U3090)
posted 7 minutes ago
GunaDave, despite the somewhat frank way your post came across, you do raise some facts. People in care homes and hospices would probably have died at some point in the short to medium future.
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Blimey, how glib.
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I thought it was a joke.
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m not going to lie, I did see one poor guy who died and his story was on the news. He was 29, and his wife wanted to release his story to the press as a plea to say young people aren’t immune. Now that is a worthy cause to fight for.
But what got me though was his wife was insistent that he had no underlying health conditions. In each of the photos the guy by eye test was bordering on morbidly obese, at least (his wife the same). It isn’t really a true underlying health condition I guess but, in the same way you can be a chronic smoker, or a chronic hypertensive, being that size no doubt is an independent risk factor for mortality for COVID-19 even if the guy is ‘perfectly healthy’ overwise.
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I saw the same story and rightly or wrongly thought the same. It does seem that COVID-19 hits a certain percentage of the population harder than others
Being obese is an underlying health condition
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comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 31 minutes ago
If you reduced the wealth of the 1%, by a one off tax of 23% the economic cost of covid would be covered
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Lunacy.
As usual, attack people's savings.
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lol
posted on 29/4/20
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posted on 29/4/20
comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 9 seconds ago
Wait sorry Admin, I misread that as a one off tax of 1 percent on the top 23 percent.
Apologies, idiot brain.
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No worries
posted on 29/4/20
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posted on 29/4/20
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posted on 29/4/20
You are spot on actually IMO.
L
posted on 29/4/20
Keep the lockdown for the most vulnerable.
And by vulnerable I mean people with a weight problem.
Why them, just look at the pictures of the dead they are all look overweight to me.
Maybe we could take peoples BMI and lock them down.
As for hospices they are mainly waiting to die any way so what difference does a couple of months make to them.
Too many old people are in care homes because too many people don't want the hassle of looking after their parents.
The whole of this pandemic is just what the world needs a cull of an ageing population that is just a drain on the rest of us, andvanced medicine keeps people alive that should have died in the natural scheme of things.
We all complain about global warming, but when Gaia comes up with the solution we do our best to thwart her efforts.
I know I come across as heartless, I just have a different perspective on life.
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 26 minutes ago
That said, I don't think they will be going after the 1 percent.
They will be going after savers of all stripes. They will have no choice but to do so.
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I'd say you are right. I was just showing the scale of the wealth of the 1 percent. Which when put in context of cost of covid is pause for thought.
posted on 29/4/20
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 7 minutes ago
Keep the lockdown for the most vulnerable.
And by vulnerable I mean people with a weight problem.
Why them, just look at the pictures of the dead they are all look overweight to me.
Maybe we could take peoples BMI and lock them down.
As for hospices they are mainly waiting to die any way so what difference does a couple of months make to them.
Too many old people are in care homes because too many people don't want the hassle of looking after their parents.
The whole of this pandemic is just what the world needs a cull of an ageing population that is just a drain on the rest of us, andvanced medicine keeps people alive that should have died in the natural scheme of things.
We all complain about global warming, but when Gaia comes up with the solution we do our best to thwart her efforts.
I know I come across as heartless, I just have a different perspective on life.
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There's a reason you come across as heartless. I don't know if your parents are alive, but if so they will be anxious.
posted on 29/4/20
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 12 minutes ago
Keep the lockdown for the most vulnerable.
And by vulnerable I mean people with a weight problem.
Why them, just look at the pictures of the dead they are all look overweight to me.
Maybe we could take peoples BMI and lock them down.
As for hospices they are mainly waiting to die any way so what difference does a couple of months make to them.
Too many old people are in care homes because too many people don't want the hassle of looking after their parents.
The whole of this pandemic is just what the world needs a cull of an ageing population that is just a drain on the rest of us, andvanced medicine keeps people alive that should have died in the natural scheme of things.
We all complain about global warming, but when Gaia comes up with the solution we do our best to thwart her efforts.
I know I come across as heartless, I just have a different perspective on life.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 29/4/20
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 28 minutes ago
Keep the lockdown for the most vulnerable.
And by vulnerable I mean people with a weight problem.
Why them, just look at the pictures of the dead they are all look overweight to me.
Maybe we could take peoples BMI and lock them down.
As for hospices they are mainly waiting to die any way so what difference does a couple of months make to them.
Too many old people are in care homes because too many people don't want the hassle of looking after their parents.
The whole of this pandemic is just what the world needs a cull of an ageing population that is just a drain on the rest of us, andvanced medicine keeps people alive that should have died in the natural scheme of things.
We all complain about global warming, but when Gaia comes up with the solution we do our best to thwart her efforts.
I know I come across as heartless, I just have a different perspective on life.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Christ
posted on 29/4/20
GunaDave, despite the somewhat frank way your post came across, you do raise some facts. People in care homes and hospices would probably have died at some point in the short to medium future.
Also the death rate in hospitals (as reported) will definitely have a high proportion of people with Heart Disease and Diabetes as Admin1 posted in his analysis earlier.
BUT, every life is a tragedy for a family, so a little bit of compassion wouldn't go amiss
posted on 29/4/20
BMI can fack off. I'm overweight according to that
posted on 29/4/20
comment by See You Next Tuesday (U3090)
posted 7 minutes ago
GunaDave, despite the somewhat frank way your post came across, you do raise some facts. People in care homes and hospices would probably have died at some point in the short to medium future.
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Blimey, how glib.
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
I think people in favour of this "lockdown" and its continuation need to acknowledge three points:
1) There is no reliable vaccine for SARS, MERS or the common cold, which are all corona viruses. So, suggesting that a social distancing policy can remain in place until there is a vaccine is flawed thinking. There may never be a vaccine, and the 12-18 month window is a best case scenario anyway. The reality is the success rates of vaccine trials are really low and if there is a vaccine it could be 5 years away.
2) The economy = lives, it is "not money versus lives". The crippling levels of public debt could have a serious, generational impact on our ability to fund hospitals, schools and front line services, while the collapse of multiple businesses across every sector of our economy could lead to mass unemployment, homelessness, and a skyrocketing welfare bill. The government does not make money, it is using our money to pay for this, and we will be footing the bill for these measures.
3) If you look closely at deaths of people in social care, you will notice a phenomenon represented across the whole country. There has been an increase in deaths, and about 50 percent aren't registered as being related to coronavirus.
Granted, some may be untested coronavirus victims, but many will be people dying from organ failures, strokes and side-effects of cancer who haven't received the usual medical treatment they would otherwise get.
Across the country we are seeing cancer treatment delayed, operations pushed back, and emergency care compromised. We also can observe a huge spike in domestic violence, and a marked increase in referrals for mental health treatment.
There is also, worryingly, a huge increase in the purchase of alcohol and processed food.
Also, when it comes to elderly people, they can age very quickly. Depriving formerly very healthy over 70s of their daily exercises, social activities and time outdoors, along with their connections to friends, while shutting them away for 3 months indoors has, according to Dr Sucharit Bhakdi at the University of Mainz, a more significant effect on their long-term health than coronavirus.
I haven't even mentioned the huge cost to children being deprived of their education and sheltered at home.
These are things lockdown advocates need to acknoweldge.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Excellent post. I would like to add the following observation.
Tests on astronauts have proven that isolation wrecks the immune system. We are guaranteed a huge spike in illness and disease when we lift the restrictions.
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 17 minutes ago
BMI can fack off. I'm overweight according to that
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Fat coont
Having checked mine last night and scraped in by 1lb
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 26 minutes ago
That said, I don't think they will be going after the 1 percent.
They will be going after savers of all stripes. They will have no choice but to do so.
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I'd say you are right. I was just showing the scale of the wealth of the 1 percent. Which when put in context of cost of covid is absolutely sickening.
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Fixed
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by See You Next Tuesday (U3090)
posted 7 minutes ago
GunaDave, despite the somewhat frank way your post came across, you do raise some facts. People in care homes and hospices would probably have died at some point in the short to medium future.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Blimey, how glib.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How to pick one part of a comment but not quote the important bit...
BUT, every life is a tragedy for a family, so a little bit of compassion wouldn't go amiss
posted on 29/4/20
I’m not going to lie, I did see one poor guy who died and his story was on the news. He was 29, and his wife wanted to release his story to the press as a plea to say young people aren’t immune. Now that is a worthy cause to fight for.
But what got me though was his wife was insistent that he had no underlying health conditions. In each of the photos the guy by eye test was bordering on morbidly obese, at least (his wife the same). It isn’t really a true underlying health condition I guess but, in the same way you can be a chronic smoker, or a chronic hypertensive, being that size no doubt is an independent risk factor for mortality for COVID-19 even if the guy is ‘perfectly healthy’ overwise.
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by See You Next Tuesday (U3090)
posted 7 minutes ago
GunaDave, despite the somewhat frank way your post came across, you do raise some facts. People in care homes and hospices would probably have died at some point in the short to medium future.
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Blimey, how glib.
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I thought it was a joke.
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m not going to lie, I did see one poor guy who died and his story was on the news. He was 29, and his wife wanted to release his story to the press as a plea to say young people aren’t immune. Now that is a worthy cause to fight for.
But what got me though was his wife was insistent that he had no underlying health conditions. In each of the photos the guy by eye test was bordering on morbidly obese, at least (his wife the same). It isn’t really a true underlying health condition I guess but, in the same way you can be a chronic smoker, or a chronic hypertensive, being that size no doubt is an independent risk factor for mortality for COVID-19 even if the guy is ‘perfectly healthy’ overwise.
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I saw the same story and rightly or wrongly thought the same. It does seem that COVID-19 hits a certain percentage of the population harder than others
posted on 29/4/20
Being obese is an underlying health condition
posted on 29/4/20
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