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comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
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comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
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comment by ShamelessObserver (U22372)
posted 8 minutes ago
We should stay like this until end of June at least. Gives us a chance to really get on top of this virus and more testing can be done. Be interesting if we do stay like this till end of June how close we would come to eliminating it.
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It won`t be eliminated by the end of June. It will only be controlled when a vaccine can be found, and that could be 18 months or more, if ever, away.
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Pretty much spot on, but you can control with a test, trace, isolate strategy, but that is not what we have done to date, teh lockdown strategy was just to buy time.
Not sure people appreciate the reality of how far off a vaccine might be.
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Some have also said a vaccine may be available by September. Let's just hope it's closer to that than 18 months. They also seem to think that this should be one of the easier viruses to create a vaccine for.
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There won't be a vaccine this year, unfortunately people cling to anything that supports their theory and tend to ignore the reality. Viral vaccines are incredibly difficult to create.
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Hang on. With all due respect how do you know that? The world and it’s auntie has put most other drug developments aside and cost is not an issue nor testing regimes.
So again how would you know that? The world is a completely different place now
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
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comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by ShamelessObserver (U22372)
posted 8 minutes ago
We should stay like this until end of June at least. Gives us a chance to really get on top of this virus and more testing can be done. Be interesting if we do stay like this till end of June how close we would come to eliminating it.
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It won`t be eliminated by the end of June. It will only be controlled when a vaccine can be found, and that could be 18 months or more, if ever, away.
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Pretty much spot on, but you can control with a test, trace, isolate strategy, but that is not what we have done to date, teh lockdown strategy was just to buy time.
Not sure people appreciate the reality of how far off a vaccine might be.
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Some have also said a vaccine may be available by September. Let's just hope it's closer to that than 18 months. They also seem to think that this should be one of the easier viruses to create a vaccine for.
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There won't be a vaccine this year, unfortunately people cling to anything that supports their theory and tend to ignore the reality. Viral vaccines are incredibly difficult to create.
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I think there’s a good chance there will be a vaccine created this year as the entire worldwide scientific community is working on it which is unprecedented.
But even if there is one it may take ages to create enough of them to treat the world.
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And what do you base your thoughts that we'll have a vaccine this year on exactly?
We have 4 coronaviruses that affect humans, we've not created a vaccine for any of them.
HIV has been around for 40 years, we've not been able to create a vaccine for that.
The last viral vaccine created was back in 1967 and that took 4 years from start to finish.
I can't see any data points that suggest a viral vaccine could be created in less than 12 months, regardless of how many people worked on it.
There may NEVER be a vaccine.
Wishful thinking helps nobody.
As for vaccines...... there are the good, the bad, and the positively dangerous.
There has never been a vaccine for the common cold.
The 'Flu vaccine is hit or miss from season to season.
And the Yellow fever vaccine can actually give you yellow fever .... its a live virus vaccine.
Maybe the Oxford people will come out good, but whenever there's a race like this...be wary!
Anthony Fauci again says a vaccine is probably 12-18 months away.
Add in manufacturing time.
So .. two years?
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
There may NEVER be a vaccine.
Wishful thinking helps nobody.
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Sizzle, depressing cants like you are as bad as any of the governments you despise.
That's the spirit Sizzle.
The common cold doesn't need a vaccine and HIV can be treated very effectively.
The current vaccine being worked on at Oxford University looks promising
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
There may NEVER be a vaccine.
Wishful thinking helps nobody.
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Sizzle, depressing cants like you are as bad as any of the governments you despise.
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Except me expressing my thoughts on a football forum is not responsible for tens of thousands of preventable deaths.
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
The current vaccine being worked on at Oxford University looks promising
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Why does it?
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
The current vaccine being worked on at Oxford University looks promising
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Why does it?
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Yep, you’re definitely a bot
comment by Black Starr (U12353)
posted 9 minutes ago
On the positive side - the nhs capacity hasn’t been breached, infected people weren’t lying on hospital floors waiting for treatment as they were in Italy while in Spain elderly people in care homes were abandoned and literally left to die. In New York they dug mass graves to deal with the rapid death rate
We sometimes take things for granted in this country. Not saying this pandemic has been handled well, but it absolutely could have been far worse
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You've set a pretty low bar there.
Nobody lying on hospital floors dying. That's good.
We've stick a few thousands beds in some conference centres so that we can say capacity isnt breached .
People were dying and suffering in this country for lack of resources, care and attention long before COVID. Let's not pretend that it isn't massively worse now.
I'm hearing first hand every day about the situation in one hospital and it's a mess. We got very close to breaking point here.
And we're still being told that PPE is a logistics issue.
Has Sizzle always been this much of a cuuunt?
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
The current vaccine being worked on at Oxford University looks promising
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Why does it?
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Yep, you’re definitely a bot
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Answer the question.
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 56 seconds ago
Has Sizzle always been this much of a cuuunt?
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I just say it as I see it.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
The common cold doesn't need a vaccine and HIV can be treated very effectively.
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That is the dumbest comment on this thread tonight.
There are human communities that die en masse from the common cold.
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 19 seconds ago
4th highest death toll IN THE WORLD.
Makes you proud to be British.
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Are you a bot? Never seen anyone so rabidly negative about everything.
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Cannot see what posting proper facts is being negative. It is the truth, which we could all do with being told a bit more of.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
The current vaccine being worked on at Oxford University looks promising
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Why does it?
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Yep, you’re definitely a bot
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Answer the question.
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Google is your friend
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
The common cold doesn't need a vaccine and HIV can be treated very effectively.
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but the facts are, we've not been able to create a vaccine for either and its not been for want of trying and both diseases have killed many.
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
The common cold doesn't need a vaccine and HIV can be treated very effectively.
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That is the dumbest comment on this thread tonight.
There are human communities that die en masse from the common cold.
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And 40 Million people globally have died from HIV/AIDS.
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
The current vaccine being worked on at Oxford University looks promising
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Why does it?
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Yep, you’re definitely a bot
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Answer the question.
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Google is your friend
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So you don’t know.
I hope it DOES look promising, but I’ve not heard anybody say that.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
There may NEVER be a vaccine.
Wishful thinking helps nobody.
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I believe we will have vaccine, and likely already have a vaccine. The Oxford university one and the Australian molecular clamp vaccine, who plan to produce 200,000 units by October. The manufacturing in the billions is where the issue arises, especially when countries will all seek to administer their own population first.
If you read the second sage paper and the commentary on mass gathering.
Second article
The article on mass gathering from the 12th March
"Acting in a way that does not meet expectations poses a risk that a section of the
public will view Government actions as incompetent or not in the public’s best
interests. It may also be taken as signifying that the situation is not expected to be
severe for the UK. This could have knock-on implications for public attitudes to other
recommendations made by Government. "
It's clear sentiment and behavioural science is also driving the government's response. Should lockdown fatigue set in or the mainstream media shift stance, the government will open UK up far quicker than one would currently expect.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
The common cold doesn't need a vaccine and HIV can be treated very effectively.
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That is the dumbest comment on this thread tonight.
There are human communities that die en masse from the common cold.
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And 40 Million people globally have died from HIV/AIDS.
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Is that the fault of the Tories as well?
I think if were being honest here, most of the people disagreeing with sizzle need a good dose of reality.
I never thought it was bad until i read that, and tbh would explain the governments 'herd immunity' stance from the get go.
Good points sizzle, and not one counter argument yet except 'google it' 👀
Personally, I think they have been far too laissez-faire on the lockdown. Yes allow people who can work to do so, and those out shopping and getting medical treatment but anyone who is out socially, bbqing etc should have had their collars felt.
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by ShamelessObserver (U22372)
posted 8 minutes ago
We should stay like this until end of June at least. Gives us a chance to really get on top of this virus and more testing can be done. Be interesting if we do stay like this till end of June how close we would come to eliminating it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It won`t be eliminated by the end of June. It will only be controlled when a vaccine can be found, and that could be 18 months or more, if ever, away.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pretty much spot on, but you can control with a test, trace, isolate strategy, but that is not what we have done to date, teh lockdown strategy was just to buy time.
Not sure people appreciate the reality of how far off a vaccine might be.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Some have also said a vaccine may be available by September. Let's just hope it's closer to that than 18 months. They also seem to think that this should be one of the easier viruses to create a vaccine for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There won't be a vaccine this year, unfortunately people cling to anything that supports their theory and tend to ignore the reality. Viral vaccines are incredibly difficult to create.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hang on. With all due respect how do you know that? The world and it’s auntie has put most other drug developments aside and cost is not an issue nor testing regimes.
So again how would you know that? The world is a completely different place now
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by ShamelessObserver (U22372)
posted 8 minutes ago
We should stay like this until end of June at least. Gives us a chance to really get on top of this virus and more testing can be done. Be interesting if we do stay like this till end of June how close we would come to eliminating it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It won`t be eliminated by the end of June. It will only be controlled when a vaccine can be found, and that could be 18 months or more, if ever, away.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pretty much spot on, but you can control with a test, trace, isolate strategy, but that is not what we have done to date, teh lockdown strategy was just to buy time.
Not sure people appreciate the reality of how far off a vaccine might be.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Some have also said a vaccine may be available by September. Let's just hope it's closer to that than 18 months. They also seem to think that this should be one of the easier viruses to create a vaccine for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There won't be a vaccine this year, unfortunately people cling to anything that supports their theory and tend to ignore the reality. Viral vaccines are incredibly difficult to create.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think there’s a good chance there will be a vaccine created this year as the entire worldwide scientific community is working on it which is unprecedented.
But even if there is one it may take ages to create enough of them to treat the world.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And what do you base your thoughts that we'll have a vaccine this year on exactly?
We have 4 coronaviruses that affect humans, we've not created a vaccine for any of them.
HIV has been around for 40 years, we've not been able to create a vaccine for that.
The last viral vaccine created was back in 1967 and that took 4 years from start to finish.
I can't see any data points that suggest a viral vaccine could be created in less than 12 months, regardless of how many people worked on it.
posted on 29/4/20
There may NEVER be a vaccine.
Wishful thinking helps nobody.
posted on 29/4/20
As for vaccines...... there are the good, the bad, and the positively dangerous.
There has never been a vaccine for the common cold.
The 'Flu vaccine is hit or miss from season to season.
And the Yellow fever vaccine can actually give you yellow fever .... its a live virus vaccine.
Maybe the Oxford people will come out good, but whenever there's a race like this...be wary!
Anthony Fauci again says a vaccine is probably 12-18 months away.
Add in manufacturing time.
So .. two years?
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
There may NEVER be a vaccine.
Wishful thinking helps nobody.
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Sizzle, depressing cants like you are as bad as any of the governments you despise.
posted on 29/4/20
That's the spirit Sizzle.
posted on 29/4/20
The common cold doesn't need a vaccine and HIV can be treated very effectively.
posted on 29/4/20
The current vaccine being worked on at Oxford University looks promising
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
There may NEVER be a vaccine.
Wishful thinking helps nobody.
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Sizzle, depressing cants like you are as bad as any of the governments you despise.
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Except me expressing my thoughts on a football forum is not responsible for tens of thousands of preventable deaths.
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
The current vaccine being worked on at Oxford University looks promising
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Why does it?
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
The current vaccine being worked on at Oxford University looks promising
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Why does it?
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Yep, you’re definitely a bot
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Black Starr (U12353)
posted 9 minutes ago
On the positive side - the nhs capacity hasn’t been breached, infected people weren’t lying on hospital floors waiting for treatment as they were in Italy while in Spain elderly people in care homes were abandoned and literally left to die. In New York they dug mass graves to deal with the rapid death rate
We sometimes take things for granted in this country. Not saying this pandemic has been handled well, but it absolutely could have been far worse
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You've set a pretty low bar there.
Nobody lying on hospital floors dying. That's good.
We've stick a few thousands beds in some conference centres so that we can say capacity isnt breached .
People were dying and suffering in this country for lack of resources, care and attention long before COVID. Let's not pretend that it isn't massively worse now.
I'm hearing first hand every day about the situation in one hospital and it's a mess. We got very close to breaking point here.
And we're still being told that PPE is a logistics issue.
posted on 29/4/20
Has Sizzle always been this much of a cuuunt?
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
The current vaccine being worked on at Oxford University looks promising
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Why does it?
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Yep, you’re definitely a bot
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Answer the question.
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 56 seconds ago
Has Sizzle always been this much of a cuuunt?
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I just say it as I see it.
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
The common cold doesn't need a vaccine and HIV can be treated very effectively.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That is the dumbest comment on this thread tonight.
There are human communities that die en masse from the common cold.
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 19 seconds ago
4th highest death toll IN THE WORLD.
Makes you proud to be British.
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Are you a bot? Never seen anyone so rabidly negative about everything.
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Cannot see what posting proper facts is being negative. It is the truth, which we could all do with being told a bit more of.
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
The current vaccine being worked on at Oxford University looks promising
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Why does it?
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Yep, you’re definitely a bot
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Answer the question.
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Google is your friend
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
The common cold doesn't need a vaccine and HIV can be treated very effectively.
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but the facts are, we've not been able to create a vaccine for either and its not been for want of trying and both diseases have killed many.
posted on 29/4/20
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
The common cold doesn't need a vaccine and HIV can be treated very effectively.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That is the dumbest comment on this thread tonight.
There are human communities that die en masse from the common cold.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And 40 Million people globally have died from HIV/AIDS.
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
The current vaccine being worked on at Oxford University looks promising
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Why does it?
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Yep, you’re definitely a bot
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Answer the question.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Google is your friend
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So you don’t know.
I hope it DOES look promising, but I’ve not heard anybody say that.
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
There may NEVER be a vaccine.
Wishful thinking helps nobody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I believe we will have vaccine, and likely already have a vaccine. The Oxford university one and the Australian molecular clamp vaccine, who plan to produce 200,000 units by October. The manufacturing in the billions is where the issue arises, especially when countries will all seek to administer their own population first.
If you read the second sage paper and the commentary on mass gathering.
Second article
The article on mass gathering from the 12th March
"Acting in a way that does not meet expectations poses a risk that a section of the
public will view Government actions as incompetent or not in the public’s best
interests. It may also be taken as signifying that the situation is not expected to be
severe for the UK. This could have knock-on implications for public attitudes to other
recommendations made by Government. "
It's clear sentiment and behavioural science is also driving the government's response. Should lockdown fatigue set in or the mainstream media shift stance, the government will open UK up far quicker than one would currently expect.
posted on 29/4/20
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
The common cold doesn't need a vaccine and HIV can be treated very effectively.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That is the dumbest comment on this thread tonight.
There are human communities that die en masse from the common cold.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And 40 Million people globally have died from HIV/AIDS.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that the fault of the Tories as well?
posted on 29/4/20
I think if were being honest here, most of the people disagreeing with sizzle need a good dose of reality.
I never thought it was bad until i read that, and tbh would explain the governments 'herd immunity' stance from the get go.
Good points sizzle, and not one counter argument yet except 'google it' 👀
posted on 29/4/20
Personally, I think they have been far too laissez-faire on the lockdown. Yes allow people who can work to do so, and those out shopping and getting medical treatment but anyone who is out socially, bbqing etc should have had their collars felt.
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