comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
How did hazard play at a hight level I meant
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How exactly did he not?
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What? Both played in the CL and in the PL.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
How did hazard play at a hight level I meant
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How exactly did he not?
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What? Both played in the CL and in the PL.
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I think he means performance wise.
Ah OK, debatable I guess, both brilliant and won the biggest prizes
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
How did hazard play at a hight level I meant
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How exactly did he not?
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What? Both played in the CL and in the PL.
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I think he means performance wise.
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I did, yes
On a side note, anyone think Hazard wasted his talent a bit by not putting in the effort often enough?
He won't been talked about as one of the Premier Leagues best ever players as he didn't fulfil his full potential imo.
When having a look at his stats I was surprised his assist stats were so low. He also needed to be scoring a lot more regularly to be considered the level of the likes of Messi and Ronaldo.
The likes of Salah and Mane have probably surpassed him, but you would probably say of the 3, Hazard has the most natural ability. That's not a slight on the other two by any means.
Using team achievements (eg Giggs has 11 PL titles) isn't really a valid yardstick because other players play a big part. It would be like saying Hazard was better because he played in several international tournaments and Goggs didn't play in any.
Seen an interview with Hazard and he seems to not really enjoy football, maybe better said he's not as engrossed in it as other players are, he sees it as a job rather than a way of life.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 13 seconds ago
Using team achievements (eg Giggs has 11 PL titles) isn't really a valid yardstick because other players play a big part. It would be like saying Hazard was better because he played in several international tournaments and Goggs didn't play in any.
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Slightly odd comparison as he hasn't won anything with Belgium
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 13 seconds ago
Using team achievements (eg Giggs has 11 PL titles) isn't really a valid yardstick because other players play a big part. It would be like saying Hazard was better because he played in several international tournaments and Goggs didn't play in any.
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Slightly odd comparison as he hasn't won anything with Belgium
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Not really - unless you consider not qualifying for a tournament to be as good an achievement as qualifying for a tournament.
Giggs for career, hazard is a better player though.
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 minute ago
On a side note, anyone think Hazard wasted his talent a bit by not putting in the effort often enough?
He won't been talked about as one of the Premier Leagues best ever players as he didn't fulfil his full potential imo.
When having a look at his stats I was surprised his assist stats were so low. He also needed to be scoring a lot more regularly to be considered the level of the likes of Messi and Ronaldo.
The likes of Salah and Mane have probably surpassed him, but you would probably say of the 3, Hazard has the most natural ability. That's not a slight on the other two by any means.
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I agree with the first statement, he has wasted his talent.
However, the stats alone do not give you a good picture of Hazard's contributions to Chelsea. Iniesta is well regarded as one of the most creative players of his generation, but his assist stats are modest...
Hazard for the most part also played in Chelsea teams which were not built around attacking. His last season was fairly average performance wise, but he registered 20+ for both goals and assists. I think this shows somewhat he had a lot of potential to be prolific in goals and assists.
Salah has surpassed what Hazard has achieved in a personal season, however, Hazard is overall better and less frustrating. Mane is a great player too, but not on the same level.
Giggs
Forgotten about Hazard already.
They are probably level tbh in regards to overall greatness. Giggs had the better career, but Hazard is better.
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 minute ago
On a side note, anyone think Hazard wasted his talent a bit by not putting in the effort often enough?
He won't been talked about as one of the Premier Leagues best ever players as he didn't fulfil his full potential imo.
When having a look at his stats I was surprised his assist stats were so low. He also needed to be scoring a lot more regularly to be considered the level of the likes of Messi and Ronaldo.
The likes of Salah and Mane have probably surpassed him, but you would probably say of the 3, Hazard has the most natural ability. That's not a slight on the other two by any means.
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I agree with the first statement, he has wasted his talent.
However, the stats alone do not give you a good picture of Hazard's contributions to Chelsea. Iniesta is well regarded as one of the most creative players of his generation, but his assist stats are modest...
Hazard for the most part also played in Chelsea teams which were not built around attacking. His last season was fairly average performance wise, but he registered 20+ for both goals and assists. I think this shows somewhat he had a lot of potential to be prolific in goals and assists.
Salah has surpassed what Hazard has achieved in a personal season, however, Hazard is overall better and less frustrating. Mane is a great player too, but not on the same level.
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Yeah definitely fair points. I just don't think talent-alone outweighs end product.
But like you say, Hazard, like Iniesta will have quite often been the man to create the attacks, or play the key pass before the Hazard so I do agree with you on that notion.
I just don't think he did it often enough to be considered an all time great. He'd have a brilliant season and then would slack of the next and then be great again the season after.
"or play the key pass before the Hazard"
assist*
I swear I left her by the river.
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 13 seconds ago
Using team achievements (eg Giggs has 11 PL titles) isn't really a valid yardstick because other players play a big part. It would be like saying Hazard was better because he played in several international tournaments and Goggs didn't play in any.
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Slightly odd comparison as he hasn't won anything with Belgium
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Also an odd comparison because qualifying for an international tournament is a team achievement as well, despite team achievements “not being a valid yardstick.”
comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 13 seconds ago
Using team achievements (eg Giggs has 11 PL titles) isn't really a valid yardstick because other players play a big part. It would be like saying Hazard was better because he played in several international tournaments and Goggs didn't play in any.
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Slightly odd comparison as he hasn't won anything with Belgium
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Also an odd comparison because qualifying for an international tournament is a team achievement as well, despite team achievements “not being a valid yardstick.”
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 15 minutes ago
I swear I left her by the river.
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Where you right there waiting?
Bale at his peak was better than both of them.
comment by Shijiu (U22385)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 13 seconds ago
Using team achievements (eg Giggs has 11 PL titles) isn't really a valid yardstick because other players play a big part. It would be like saying Hazard was better because he played in several international tournaments and Goggs didn't play in any.
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Slightly odd comparison as he hasn't won anything with Belgium
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Also an odd comparison because qualifying for an international tournament is a team achievement as well, despite team achievements “not being a valid yardstick.”
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“It would be like...”
Just read it back, doesn’t matter.
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 minute ago
On a side note, anyone think Hazard wasted his talent a bit by not putting in the effort often enough?
He won't been talked about as one of the Premier Leagues best ever players as he didn't fulfil his full potential imo.
When having a look at his stats I was surprised his assist stats were so low. He also needed to be scoring a lot more regularly to be considered the level of the likes of Messi and Ronaldo.
The likes of Salah and Mane have probably surpassed him, but you would probably say of the 3, Hazard has the most natural ability. That's not a slight on the other two by any means.
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I agree with the first statement, he has wasted his talent.
However, the stats alone do not give you a good picture of Hazard's contributions to Chelsea. Iniesta is well regarded as one of the most creative players of his generation, but his assist stats are modest...
Hazard for the most part also played in Chelsea teams which were not built around attacking. His last season was fairly average performance wise, but he registered 20+ for both goals and assists. I think this shows somewhat he had a lot of potential to be prolific in goals and assists.
Salah has surpassed what Hazard has achieved in a personal season, however, Hazard is overall better and less frustrating. Mane is a great player too, but not on the same level.
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Yeah definitely fair points. I just don't think talent-alone outweighs end product.
But like you say, Hazard, like Iniesta will have quite often been the man to create the attacks, or play the key pass before the Hazard so I do agree with you on that notion.
I just don't think he did it often enough to be considered an all time great. He'd have a brilliant season and then would slack of the next and then be great again the season after.
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Of course end product is essential, but I'm not sure just looking at goals and assists gives the whole story. For instance, with assists it really depends on the players around you - besides Diego Costa he played alongside players who were extremely wasteful.
Likewise, his finishing was actually very good - he rarely missed chances. The issue was that he rarely took shots, and didn't get into enough goal scoring positions.
A lot of his best work was more in the transitional phase than the final pass or finish.
Mane and Salah are excellent though, but I think the comparison with Hazard is quite hard tbh. I would concede that both have been far better in Europe, but in the PL Hazard has been the better player.
Bale is an extremely frustrating player to watch. I prefer both Giggs and Hazard tbh.
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 hour ago
On a side note, anyone think Hazard wasted his talent a bit by not putting in the effort often enough?
He won't been talked about as one of the Premier Leagues best ever players as he didn't fulfil his full potential imo.
When having a look at his stats I was surprised his assist stats were so low. He also needed to be scoring a lot more regularly to be considered the level of the likes of Messi and Ronaldo.
The likes of Salah and Mane have probably surpassed him, but you would probably say of the 3, Hazard has the most natural ability. That's not a slight on the other two by any means.
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posted on 6/5/20
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
How did hazard play at a hight level I meant
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How exactly did he not?
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What? Both played in the CL and in the PL.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
How did hazard play at a hight level I meant
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How exactly did he not?
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What? Both played in the CL and in the PL.
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I think he means performance wise.
posted on 6/5/20
Ah OK, debatable I guess, both brilliant and won the biggest prizes
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
How did hazard play at a hight level I meant
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How exactly did he not?
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What? Both played in the CL and in the PL.
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I think he means performance wise.
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I did, yes
posted on 6/5/20
On a side note, anyone think Hazard wasted his talent a bit by not putting in the effort often enough?
He won't been talked about as one of the Premier Leagues best ever players as he didn't fulfil his full potential imo.
When having a look at his stats I was surprised his assist stats were so low. He also needed to be scoring a lot more regularly to be considered the level of the likes of Messi and Ronaldo.
The likes of Salah and Mane have probably surpassed him, but you would probably say of the 3, Hazard has the most natural ability. That's not a slight on the other two by any means.
posted on 6/5/20
Using team achievements (eg Giggs has 11 PL titles) isn't really a valid yardstick because other players play a big part. It would be like saying Hazard was better because he played in several international tournaments and Goggs didn't play in any.
posted on 6/5/20
Seen an interview with Hazard and he seems to not really enjoy football, maybe better said he's not as engrossed in it as other players are, he sees it as a job rather than a way of life.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 13 seconds ago
Using team achievements (eg Giggs has 11 PL titles) isn't really a valid yardstick because other players play a big part. It would be like saying Hazard was better because he played in several international tournaments and Goggs didn't play in any.
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Slightly odd comparison as he hasn't won anything with Belgium
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 13 seconds ago
Using team achievements (eg Giggs has 11 PL titles) isn't really a valid yardstick because other players play a big part. It would be like saying Hazard was better because he played in several international tournaments and Goggs didn't play in any.
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Slightly odd comparison as he hasn't won anything with Belgium
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Not really - unless you consider not qualifying for a tournament to be as good an achievement as qualifying for a tournament.
posted on 6/5/20
Giggs for career, hazard is a better player though.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 minute ago
On a side note, anyone think Hazard wasted his talent a bit by not putting in the effort often enough?
He won't been talked about as one of the Premier Leagues best ever players as he didn't fulfil his full potential imo.
When having a look at his stats I was surprised his assist stats were so low. He also needed to be scoring a lot more regularly to be considered the level of the likes of Messi and Ronaldo.
The likes of Salah and Mane have probably surpassed him, but you would probably say of the 3, Hazard has the most natural ability. That's not a slight on the other two by any means.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with the first statement, he has wasted his talent.
However, the stats alone do not give you a good picture of Hazard's contributions to Chelsea. Iniesta is well regarded as one of the most creative players of his generation, but his assist stats are modest...
Hazard for the most part also played in Chelsea teams which were not built around attacking. His last season was fairly average performance wise, but he registered 20+ for both goals and assists. I think this shows somewhat he had a lot of potential to be prolific in goals and assists.
Salah has surpassed what Hazard has achieved in a personal season, however, Hazard is overall better and less frustrating. Mane is a great player too, but not on the same level.
posted on 6/5/20
Giggs
Forgotten about Hazard already.
posted on 6/5/20
They are probably level tbh in regards to overall greatness. Giggs had the better career, but Hazard is better.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 minute ago
On a side note, anyone think Hazard wasted his talent a bit by not putting in the effort often enough?
He won't been talked about as one of the Premier Leagues best ever players as he didn't fulfil his full potential imo.
When having a look at his stats I was surprised his assist stats were so low. He also needed to be scoring a lot more regularly to be considered the level of the likes of Messi and Ronaldo.
The likes of Salah and Mane have probably surpassed him, but you would probably say of the 3, Hazard has the most natural ability. That's not a slight on the other two by any means.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with the first statement, he has wasted his talent.
However, the stats alone do not give you a good picture of Hazard's contributions to Chelsea. Iniesta is well regarded as one of the most creative players of his generation, but his assist stats are modest...
Hazard for the most part also played in Chelsea teams which were not built around attacking. His last season was fairly average performance wise, but he registered 20+ for both goals and assists. I think this shows somewhat he had a lot of potential to be prolific in goals and assists.
Salah has surpassed what Hazard has achieved in a personal season, however, Hazard is overall better and less frustrating. Mane is a great player too, but not on the same level.
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Yeah definitely fair points. I just don't think talent-alone outweighs end product.
But like you say, Hazard, like Iniesta will have quite often been the man to create the attacks, or play the key pass before the Hazard so I do agree with you on that notion.
I just don't think he did it often enough to be considered an all time great. He'd have a brilliant season and then would slack of the next and then be great again the season after.
posted on 6/5/20
"or play the key pass before the Hazard"
assist*
posted on 6/5/20
I swear I left her by the river.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 13 seconds ago
Using team achievements (eg Giggs has 11 PL titles) isn't really a valid yardstick because other players play a big part. It would be like saying Hazard was better because he played in several international tournaments and Goggs didn't play in any.
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Slightly odd comparison as he hasn't won anything with Belgium
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Also an odd comparison because qualifying for an international tournament is a team achievement as well, despite team achievements “not being a valid yardstick.”
posted on 6/5/20
comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 13 seconds ago
Using team achievements (eg Giggs has 11 PL titles) isn't really a valid yardstick because other players play a big part. It would be like saying Hazard was better because he played in several international tournaments and Goggs didn't play in any.
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Slightly odd comparison as he hasn't won anything with Belgium
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Also an odd comparison because qualifying for an international tournament is a team achievement as well, despite team achievements “not being a valid yardstick.”
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posted on 6/5/20
comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 15 minutes ago
I swear I left her by the river.
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Where you right there waiting?
posted on 6/5/20
Bale at his peak was better than both of them.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Shijiu (U22385)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 13 seconds ago
Using team achievements (eg Giggs has 11 PL titles) isn't really a valid yardstick because other players play a big part. It would be like saying Hazard was better because he played in several international tournaments and Goggs didn't play in any.
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Slightly odd comparison as he hasn't won anything with Belgium
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Also an odd comparison because qualifying for an international tournament is a team achievement as well, despite team achievements “not being a valid yardstick.”
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“It would be like...”
Just read it back, doesn’t matter.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 minute ago
On a side note, anyone think Hazard wasted his talent a bit by not putting in the effort often enough?
He won't been talked about as one of the Premier Leagues best ever players as he didn't fulfil his full potential imo.
When having a look at his stats I was surprised his assist stats were so low. He also needed to be scoring a lot more regularly to be considered the level of the likes of Messi and Ronaldo.
The likes of Salah and Mane have probably surpassed him, but you would probably say of the 3, Hazard has the most natural ability. That's not a slight on the other two by any means.
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I agree with the first statement, he has wasted his talent.
However, the stats alone do not give you a good picture of Hazard's contributions to Chelsea. Iniesta is well regarded as one of the most creative players of his generation, but his assist stats are modest...
Hazard for the most part also played in Chelsea teams which were not built around attacking. His last season was fairly average performance wise, but he registered 20+ for both goals and assists. I think this shows somewhat he had a lot of potential to be prolific in goals and assists.
Salah has surpassed what Hazard has achieved in a personal season, however, Hazard is overall better and less frustrating. Mane is a great player too, but not on the same level.
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Yeah definitely fair points. I just don't think talent-alone outweighs end product.
But like you say, Hazard, like Iniesta will have quite often been the man to create the attacks, or play the key pass before the Hazard so I do agree with you on that notion.
I just don't think he did it often enough to be considered an all time great. He'd have a brilliant season and then would slack of the next and then be great again the season after.
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Of course end product is essential, but I'm not sure just looking at goals and assists gives the whole story. For instance, with assists it really depends on the players around you - besides Diego Costa he played alongside players who were extremely wasteful.
Likewise, his finishing was actually very good - he rarely missed chances. The issue was that he rarely took shots, and didn't get into enough goal scoring positions.
A lot of his best work was more in the transitional phase than the final pass or finish.
posted on 6/5/20
Mane and Salah are excellent though, but I think the comparison with Hazard is quite hard tbh. I would concede that both have been far better in Europe, but in the PL Hazard has been the better player.
posted on 6/5/20
Bale is an extremely frustrating player to watch. I prefer both Giggs and Hazard tbh.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 hour ago
On a side note, anyone think Hazard wasted his talent a bit by not putting in the effort often enough?
He won't been talked about as one of the Premier Leagues best ever players as he didn't fulfil his full potential imo.
When having a look at his stats I was surprised his assist stats were so low. He also needed to be scoring a lot more regularly to be considered the level of the likes of Messi and Ronaldo.
The likes of Salah and Mane have probably surpassed him, but you would probably say of the 3, Hazard has the most natural ability. That's not a slight on the other two by any means.
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