He's a great player and has been undervalued at Real. However, his performances have not been near the same levels as his last season at Real.
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*edit: his last season at Tottenham.
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
For me Bale was so much more exciting than either of those players probably why i rate him higher.
Hazard always made me feel like he had more to give, that he never left it all out there. Giggs was probably the least talented but squeezed the most out of it but played in the best team by a mile.
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I think this quite subjective tbh.
I personally find Hazard more exciting, as on special occasions he was able to combine moments of skill and brilliance with dictating the flow and tempo of the game.
Bale has never had the ability to dictate games, but was certainly able to provide moments of brilliance.
Also, a lot of Wale's success in the tournament was down to tactics tbh.
That’s one of the reasons he’s not of much use to Madrid anymore. He’s always been a moments player, but those moments are a lot more infrequent than when he first went there. Get the impression he doesn’t give a fack about football anymore and is just happy to pick up his ridiculous wages. Not surprised Madrid fans don’t like him. He’s basically the Welsh Bogarde nowadays.
Barry... I’m not going to furrrking apologise for posting a furrrking article comparing two furrrking football players on a furrrking football forum. If you have an issue with that you can furrrk off
Although I filtered you regardless.
I also feel what Giggs did to his brother has subconsciously altered people’s views on him as a footballer
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
That’s one of the reasons he’s not of much use to Madrid anymore. He’s always been a moments player, but those moments are a lot more infrequent than when he first went there. Get the impression he doesn’t give a fack about football anymore and is just happy to pick up his ridiculous wages. Not surprised Madrid fans don’t like him. He’s basically the Welsh Bogarde nowadays.
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Not that you said otherwise, but he was really good at the start. Basically a goal every other game (every 90 mins in his third season!), considering he didn’t take penalties and wasn’t the main free kick takers (he should have been) & also those key goals - multiple cup final winners. He was definitely worth every penny RM paid for him.
I don’t think he was. He didn’t justify it with performances, nor any longevity, of a player that was the most expensive player of all time. That’s before we consider his ridiculous wages as well.
If I remember correctly it took him a while to find his footing at Real, but towards the latter end of the season he was really impressive.
It's worth considering that despite being at Real for 7 seasons, he's only won the league once. And he barely played that season at all.
He will be remembered for all the moments he has given in cup competitions, but I think a lot Madrid fans won't consider him much of a club legend.
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
I also feel what Giggs did to his brother has subconsciously altered people’s views on him as a footballer
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If this is true, I'd really be amazed to see how highly people would view Giggs otherwise. Because everyone has given him a lot of praise here.
Giggs certainly more of a PL great.
Who I'd take in a team would completely depend on the gameplan & the other players I had. If I've got a defensively sound LB who doesn't like overlapping I'm taking Giggs & letting him push the line back. If I have an athletic machine at LB who goes up & down all game I'm taking Hazard & letting him do whatever he wants on the left hand side.
It’s not that deep man. Just you’re making an all time PL XI with Gerrard and Henry and Shearer and shiiit, do you play Giggs or Hazard in the left?
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 34 minutes ago
It’s not that deep man. Just you’re making an all time PL XI with Gerrard and Henry and Shearer and shiiit, do you play Giggs or Hazard in the left?
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If it’s the choice of the two then Giggs
Giggs has had a better career and for what I can see seems like a better pro too. Hazard at his best however, is a better player. Problem is Hazard dosent seen to have the drive of giggs.
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
I also feel what Giggs did to his brother has subconsciously altered people’s views on him as a footballer
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If this is true, I'd really be amazed to see how highly people would view Giggs otherwise. Because everyone has given him a lot of praise here.
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Yup. I don’t think it matters when judging him as a player, sure as a person he’s a dead eyed looking sociopath, but we aren’t marking him on that, we are marking him on the superb ability he had and his sterling career, against a player who talent wise was even better by a fair bit too, , but just dosent seen to have the same will to keep it up, like Giggs..
So overall Giggs wins. But at their very best, who’s better, then it’s quite easily hazard..
Giggs' stats are worse than Hazard's though. Looking at invidual seasons. He only hit double figures in the league twice in 20+ seasons. Hazard did it 5 times in 7 seasons.
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 39 minutes ago
Giggs' stats are worse than Hazard's though. Looking at invidual seasons. He only hit double figures in the league twice in 20+ seasons. Hazard did it 5 times in 7 seasons.
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Giggs has a better assist rate and as for goals scored - it’s not really as simple as that. He was part of many sides who spread the goals out around the team.
It’s not that deep man. Just you’re making an all time PL XI with Gerrard and Henry and Shearer and shiiit, do you play Giggs or Hazard in the left?
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Who they played with & what role they played because of it would dramatically affect their performances. Tell Hazard to hug the line like Giggs used to & he'd be a non factor, tell Giggs to cut inside from either wing and his one footedness becomes a problem.
If you wanna Yaya Toure fantasy team this sh!!!t play both & stick them at LB
Giggs was also in a better team than hazard, a key part. Hazard however elevated chelsea. Without him chelsea weren’t that good.
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 10 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 39 minutes ago
Giggs' stats are worse than Hazard's though. Looking at invidual seasons. He only hit double figures in the league twice in 20+ seasons. Hazard did it 5 times in 7 seasons.
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Giggs has a better assist rate and as for goals scored - it’s not really as simple as that. He was part of many sides who spread the goals out around the team.
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Tbf it' not as simple as what the assist rate tells us. Giggs played with far better goal scorers than Hazard.
I'm fairly certain Hazard led the chances created stat for most seasons he was in the PL.
"Hazard’s total of 595 chances created is the most of any Premier League player since the start of the 2012-13 campaign, ahead of notable playmakers such as David Silva, Mesut Ozil and Christian Eriksen"
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posted on 6/5/20
He's a great player and has been undervalued at Real. However, his performances have not been near the same levels as his last season at Real.
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*edit: his last season at Tottenham.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
For me Bale was so much more exciting than either of those players probably why i rate him higher.
Hazard always made me feel like he had more to give, that he never left it all out there. Giggs was probably the least talented but squeezed the most out of it but played in the best team by a mile.
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I think this quite subjective tbh.
I personally find Hazard more exciting, as on special occasions he was able to combine moments of skill and brilliance with dictating the flow and tempo of the game.
Bale has never had the ability to dictate games, but was certainly able to provide moments of brilliance.
posted on 6/5/20
Also, a lot of Wale's success in the tournament was down to tactics tbh.
posted on 6/5/20
That’s one of the reasons he’s not of much use to Madrid anymore. He’s always been a moments player, but those moments are a lot more infrequent than when he first went there. Get the impression he doesn’t give a fack about football anymore and is just happy to pick up his ridiculous wages. Not surprised Madrid fans don’t like him. He’s basically the Welsh Bogarde nowadays.
posted on 6/5/20
Barry... I’m not going to furrrking apologise for posting a furrrking article comparing two furrrking football players on a furrrking football forum. If you have an issue with that you can furrrk off
Although I filtered you regardless.
posted on 6/5/20
I also feel what Giggs did to his brother has subconsciously altered people’s views on him as a footballer
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
That’s one of the reasons he’s not of much use to Madrid anymore. He’s always been a moments player, but those moments are a lot more infrequent than when he first went there. Get the impression he doesn’t give a fack about football anymore and is just happy to pick up his ridiculous wages. Not surprised Madrid fans don’t like him. He’s basically the Welsh Bogarde nowadays.
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Not that you said otherwise, but he was really good at the start. Basically a goal every other game (every 90 mins in his third season!), considering he didn’t take penalties and wasn’t the main free kick takers (he should have been) & also those key goals - multiple cup final winners. He was definitely worth every penny RM paid for him.
posted on 6/5/20
I don’t think he was. He didn’t justify it with performances, nor any longevity, of a player that was the most expensive player of all time. That’s before we consider his ridiculous wages as well.
posted on 6/5/20
If I remember correctly it took him a while to find his footing at Real, but towards the latter end of the season he was really impressive.
It's worth considering that despite being at Real for 7 seasons, he's only won the league once. And he barely played that season at all.
He will be remembered for all the moments he has given in cup competitions, but I think a lot Madrid fans won't consider him much of a club legend.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
I also feel what Giggs did to his brother has subconsciously altered people’s views on him as a footballer
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If this is true, I'd really be amazed to see how highly people would view Giggs otherwise. Because everyone has given him a lot of praise here.
posted on 6/5/20
Giggs certainly more of a PL great.
Who I'd take in a team would completely depend on the gameplan & the other players I had. If I've got a defensively sound LB who doesn't like overlapping I'm taking Giggs & letting him push the line back. If I have an athletic machine at LB who goes up & down all game I'm taking Hazard & letting him do whatever he wants on the left hand side.
posted on 6/5/20
It’s not that deep man. Just you’re making an all time PL XI with Gerrard and Henry and Shearer and shiiit, do you play Giggs or Hazard in the left?
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 34 minutes ago
It’s not that deep man. Just you’re making an all time PL XI with Gerrard and Henry and Shearer and shiiit, do you play Giggs or Hazard in the left?
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If it’s the choice of the two then Giggs
posted on 6/5/20
Giggs has had a better career and for what I can see seems like a better pro too. Hazard at his best however, is a better player. Problem is Hazard dosent seen to have the drive of giggs.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
I also feel what Giggs did to his brother has subconsciously altered people’s views on him as a footballer
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If this is true, I'd really be amazed to see how highly people would view Giggs otherwise. Because everyone has given him a lot of praise here.
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Yup. I don’t think it matters when judging him as a player, sure as a person he’s a dead eyed looking sociopath, but we aren’t marking him on that, we are marking him on the superb ability he had and his sterling career, against a player who talent wise was even better by a fair bit too, , but just dosent seen to have the same will to keep it up, like Giggs..
So overall Giggs wins. But at their very best, who’s better, then it’s quite easily hazard..
posted on 6/5/20
Giggs' stats are worse than Hazard's though. Looking at invidual seasons. He only hit double figures in the league twice in 20+ seasons. Hazard did it 5 times in 7 seasons.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 39 minutes ago
Giggs' stats are worse than Hazard's though. Looking at invidual seasons. He only hit double figures in the league twice in 20+ seasons. Hazard did it 5 times in 7 seasons.
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Giggs has a better assist rate and as for goals scored - it’s not really as simple as that. He was part of many sides who spread the goals out around the team.
posted on 7/5/20
It’s not that deep man. Just you’re making an all time PL XI with Gerrard and Henry and Shearer and shiiit, do you play Giggs or Hazard in the left?
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Who they played with & what role they played because of it would dramatically affect their performances. Tell Hazard to hug the line like Giggs used to & he'd be a non factor, tell Giggs to cut inside from either wing and his one footedness becomes a problem.
If you wanna Yaya Toure fantasy team this sh!!!t play both & stick them at LB
posted on 7/5/20
*one at LB
posted on 7/5/20
Giggs was also in a better team than hazard, a key part. Hazard however elevated chelsea. Without him chelsea weren’t that good.
posted on 7/5/20
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 10 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 39 minutes ago
Giggs' stats are worse than Hazard's though. Looking at invidual seasons. He only hit double figures in the league twice in 20+ seasons. Hazard did it 5 times in 7 seasons.
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Giggs has a better assist rate and as for goals scored - it’s not really as simple as that. He was part of many sides who spread the goals out around the team.
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Tbf it' not as simple as what the assist rate tells us. Giggs played with far better goal scorers than Hazard.
I'm fairly certain Hazard led the chances created stat for most seasons he was in the PL.
posted on 7/5/20
"Hazard’s total of 595 chances created is the most of any Premier League player since the start of the 2012-13 campaign, ahead of notable playmakers such as David Silva, Mesut Ozil and Christian Eriksen"
posted on 7/5/20
So Hazard it is then .
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