comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by TobyJanKaneobi (U15068)
posted 49 minutes ago
Yeah Hybrid well I have already lost one family member, where should I draw the line at the governments complacency?
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Losing a family member has nothing to do with it; it’s not all about you you know.

I have lost two family members to covid 19 FYI.

The virus has to run its course and inevitably will do, top priority was and is to not overwhelm the NHS. Lockdown measures will be gradually lifted as long as the NHS can handle it. Total lockdown for an extended period of time is not the solution and will cause more deaths
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What two family members? If it was me I would want nothing opening until the last virus had gone. But you seem, what shall I say, uncaring if you lose more.
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I’m realistic mu52.

Until there is a viable vaccine et cetera then very little can be done to stop this. It’s a numbers game and an even more severe economic depression for the upcoming future will cause a lot more deaths than this will.
I think insisting that everything is closed because I have lost family members at the cost of many more lives that I don’t know to be somewhat selfish.

Sat Nat we can’t all be as callous as you - cold hearty fool.

comment by MKspur ツ (U9129)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
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comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by MKspur ツ (U9129)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 4 seconds ago
In Spain people can walk a kilometer in the morning a few hours and in the evening. Still only go out for shopping.

Ireland still on full lock down.

Other countries werent hit as hard as the UK.

I am not here to attack anyone, I am genuinely surprised, because I want to get the fack out of my gaff and get the kids back in school, but thats not happening for another 2.5 months !!!
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Spain have opened cafes in lots of parts of the country
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Only from today and Madrid is still in lock down, UK have opened up the country.
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Open the country to what exactly?

I’ve just been out and everything is shut bar supermarkets.

I can’t go to a cafe and order a beer and sit down outside like lots of places in Spain
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That was only from today onward (I was not aware of that at the time I wrote the article), but dont act as if they have been living lavish for weeks.
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So let’s be honest you wrote this article and didn’t really have a clue.
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Do you actually read comments or just a few words?

Out of interest own a business or have interests in a business? Just so I understand YOUR own personal motives?

comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 50 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
Because the decision around continuing a full lockdown depends on the current capacity of the NHS. That simple.

Genuinely interested in the counter-argument though - presumably people who think we should be continuing a full lockdown believe we should do so until a vaccine is available?
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No, not at all, but in Holland and Ireland and Italy the cases per day are down a lot for example, so you can start to ease. In the UK you still have 4000 cases per day, as you did a couple weeks back. Thats whats the difference is.
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That doesnt tell you anything. We have massively increased testing capacity over the past few weeks.
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Still no reason to ease up so soon. You have been the shortest in lock down than most countries, yet have one of the worst figures. Correlation?
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What exactly are the criteria you believe we should be meeting before easing lockdown? You've yet to explain.
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I am no expert, but looking at the numbers, you show no slow down yet. thats all.

I am sure you have the answer to everything though. I bet you even wear glasses.
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Yes, but I've already told you the numbers arent reliable at all because testing capacity a few weeks ago weren't at what they are now.

I'll also ignore that somewhat bizarre, snide comment.
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You have been aggressive in your comments, give and take.
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What?! Where?!

You basically just cant answer the simple questions put to you.
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Been answering most comments....

comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by TobyJanKaneobi (U15068)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeah, I know my friends mum owns a small village hardware shop, she has stayed open the whole time.

Point being, due to the vagueness of guidelines as someone put excellently earlier:


“The fact the government had to release a 100 word explanation of what they meant by "stay alert" should serve as confirmation of it's ambiguity.

It appears that herd immunity is back on the table, and ambiguity is being used as plausible deniability”

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Herd immunity is the only option till there’s a vaccine
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No its not,

https://www.sciencealert.com/why-herd-immunity-will-not-save-us-from-the-covid-19-pandemic

comment by TobyJanKaneobi (U15068)
posted 1 minute ago
Out of interest own a business or have interests in a business? Just so I understand YOUR own personal motives?
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Not sure if you are asking me, but no, I dont have a business.

No asking Sat Nav, seeing as he stated to have lost two family members. Yet see no other alternative that for herd immunity and facing the inevitable ‘numbers game’.

comment by TobyJanKaneobi (U15068)
posted 4 seconds ago
No asking Sat Nav, seeing as he stated to have lost two family members. Yet see no other alternative that for herd immunity and facing the inevitable ‘numbers game’.
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There are alternatives but I have set out my thoughts previously so no need to reiterate.

No, I do not own a business. I am an employee only

comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by TobyJanKaneobi (U15068)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeah, I know my friends mum owns a small village hardware shop, she has stayed open the whole time.

Point being, due to the vagueness of guidelines as someone put excellently earlier:


“The fact the government had to release a 100 word explanation of what they meant by "stay alert" should serve as confirmation of it's ambiguity.

It appears that herd immunity is back on the table, and ambiguity is being used as plausible deniability”

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Herd immunity is the only option till there’s a vaccine
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No its not,

https://www.sciencealert.com/why-herd-immunity-will-not-save-us-from-the-covid-19-pandemic
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If we don’t go back to normal the country will be too poor to afford the vaccines.

So we either get on with it or we all just end up poor or dead anyway.

We would become poorer, that true. But we were very much poorer in the 1950s say, but people didn't die of it.
We went to work on the bus or bike.
Went on holidays to Blackpool or similar.
Ets, etc.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
We would become poorer, that true. But we were very much poorer in the 1950s say, but people didn't die of it.
We went to work on the bus or bike.
Went on holidays to Blackpool or similar.
Ets, etc.
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Wooooowwwww

Unemployment = more deaths and that’s a fact. It’s not about going to Blackpool for holidays instead of abroad ffs. You can’t be that naive surely???

Good lord.....

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 30 minutes ago
We would become poorer, that true. But we were very much poorer in the 1950s say, but people didn't die of it.
We went to work on the bus or bike.
Went on holidays to Blackpool or similar.
Ets, etc.
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It’s more expensive to go to Blackpool than Spain these days

comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 30 minutes ago
We would become poorer, that true. But we were very much poorer in the 1950s say, but people didn't die of it.
We went to work on the bus or bike.
Went on holidays to Blackpool or similar.
Ets, etc.
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It’s more expensive to go to Blackpool than Spain these days
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It won't be if we all have a do it or similar

It’s possible as we have a criminally irresponsible government who puts wealth before health.

Rich people are losing money.
You are disposable.
Get back out there and work you feckless sccum

Is the overriding message here.

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Those ads from companies that offered a free signing up gift for the elderly must be kicking themselves.

That's a lot of pens that never see ink.

Lockdown was put in place with barely 50 people having died in total, and even then it was too late. But hey ho let`s lift lockdown with hundreds a day now dying.

Sounds about right for this inept Government.

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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 9 hours, 45 minutes ago
We are nowhere near first to ease. Bars have opened on some parts of Spain. They were 2 weeks ahead of us, we will open bars at minimum 6 weeks after them.
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I didnt say you were the first to ease, I said first to ease this much.

You are supposed to go back to work ffs... result people on the tube like sardines in tins

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comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 9 hours, 45 minutes ago
We are nowhere near first to ease. Bars have opened on some parts of Spain. They were 2 weeks ahead of us, we will open bars at minimum 6 weeks after them.
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I didnt say you were the first to ease, I said first to ease this much.

You are supposed to go back to work ffs... result people on the tube like sardines in tins
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Which is partly to do, I imagine, with Mayor Khan’s ridiculous restrictions of the train service.

More lockdown lunacy.

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For a reason, remember, 32000 dead in 6 weeks.

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comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 14 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 9 hours, 45 minutes ago
We are nowhere near first to ease. Bars have opened on some parts of Spain. They were 2 weeks ahead of us, we will open bars at minimum 6 weeks after them.
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I didnt say you were the first to ease, I said first to ease this much.

You are supposed to go back to work ffs... result people on the tube like sardines in tins
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Which is partly to do, I imagine, with Mayor Khan’s ridiculous restrictions of the train service.

More lockdown lunacy.

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For a reason, remember, 32000 dead in 6 weeks.
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How many died with Covid 19 and how many died from it?

How many will die from cancelled elective surgeries, from the mental and physical health effects of living indoors for three months, and from the deferred referrals for GP appointments that would formerly have spotted things like tumours or processed key symptoms that needed immediate care?

How many will die from the likely sweeping economic cuts that will be required once Rishi Sunak's magic money tree whithers and dies?

By the way, over 1,500 people died every day in the UK prior to this? Often from preventable causes. I didn't see people going along with the biggest power grab by a government since Oliver Cromwell.
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In answer to how many will die in the various scenarios, very few.
The covid19 deaths are in addition to the 'normal' deaths.

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