comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 12 seconds ago
What a mess of an article, generalising all players as the same.
Some will be idiots who don't believe, others will be selfish and won't care, but there'll be plenty who don't want put their family at risk or spend a few months away from them if that's whats proposed to finish the season.
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I have to work away from my family all the time. On the day I decide I want to always be close to my family, my employer would be happy to let me go. I am currently working away from my family, as are millions of others who will go home in the evening having spent the whole day with untested people and unsanitized surfaces, as opposed to footballers who will live and play in far safer places.
Why don't I have this privilege where I can demand not to leave my family because I am afraid of covid, and still get my wages?
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I think the answer is because your team isn't doing crap in the league, or something.
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Makes a helluva lot of sense this
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posted 8 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 7 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by JimmyTheRed (U1682)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
I don’t see them as ‘fake’ VJ’. I’ve read that Danny Rose, now at Newcastle has come out saying there shouldn’t be any play until the whole thing is cracked, but that could take year to get there. If they’ve got a genuine concern then, fair enough, they can’t be forced to play.
Imagine, if you will, being a top drawer PL player, international, playing a blinder week in, week out, top top wages too, say in the £100K - £350K a week. The world is your oyster, nothing but nothing going south.
Then comes along a deadly disease. No evidence yet as to who why where how as to where we are headed.
It can hit anyone, young, old, fat, thin, healthy unfit tall, short, the full whack. No warning, no signal, nothing.
These players are, in the main, earning money beyond their wildest dreams x 10. And the great unknown, hanging above their heads is waiting, and could well strike, with devastating results.
At the end of they day, they are only human, just like the rest of us, but with an incredible amount to lose, to come crashing down upon their heads, their own paradise blown to shreds.
If they don’t want to play, or engage even, their choice. Financial ramifications? Depends on the terms of their contracts.
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Boohoo, poor spoiled players.
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How entitled is that response?
As if football is in any way essential. The're only being coerced to play because billionaires and organisations worth billions want to keep the money flowing.
The players should cough up and cover all of the non-playing staff's wages for a year. Say 5 million split over 25 players - 200k each for an entire year of staff salaries. Most of them earn more than that in a month. I think if they did that the clubs would have very little leverage to force them on the pitch.
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What has essential got to do with anything? My job is not essential, amongst millions of others and they're still working with less protection than the millionaire players.
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I'm sorry you have to go to work for a non-essential job during a pandemic. That's really sh!t, I would not be happy with that at all.
That doesn't change the fact that playing a contact sport which requires you to be in close proximity to a large group of people is a bad idea, though. And it's quite clearly a bad idea right now.
The virus doesn't care if they're millionaires - the money won't stop them or their relatives getting sick. As I mentioned, though, they could pay their way out of this if they wanted to by covering the club's outgoings for the time being. Most people can't do that for their employers and colleagues. If they're not willing to do that they should expect this pressure to get back to work. That much is fair.
What's entitled about it is the attitude that 'they're millionaires, boohoo' as if 1. that money makes them somehow safer from dying. 2. they somehow owe it to the public to play football. I would think there's a good chunk of the public that would not be happy if they're doing thousands of tests while the government repeatedly misses their targets for testing front-line workers and the vulnerable.
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If you have it, you won’t be on the pitch so social distancing is irrelevant.
Tests used by clubs aren’t used by the NHS due to coat and practicality. Nobody is missing out due to football clubs spending 40k on testing machines.
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False negatives are a thing. It only takes one person they're in contact with to have tested negative and still have it, and everyone has it. See Dybala, and numerous other cases. They're still not sure if having antibodies makes you immune, so no, it's not really safe. If it were there'd be no debate around this.
As for the tests, on the surface level you're right - they won't be directly buying tests that are on order for the government. They won't be apparent or relevant to a lot of the public, though. Also those tests all require the same chemical reagents etc, of which there's a limited supply. So the companies that supply the clubs would be competing with government for suppliers.
False negatives are a thing.
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Not anymore, or at least not for long with a 100% accurate test now available, according to media reports. Govt has said it will roll this out en masse apparently.
The new test will also be able to tell whether you have had covid at any time in the past. Issue of immunity is what I haven't seen confirmed. Its suggested re infection is not possible but this has not been scientifically proven I guess.
That's great
Though I read it's only just come out of testing. Any news on when everyone will start getting them?
Question directly asked in the briefing today about football coming back for 12th June. Neither "side" of the arguement would claim a victory on this. The question was not answered and it was basically stated that a serious of tests are in place, starting with training, to determine how safe any elite sports resuming would be.
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Joe public will have to return to the office, shops or their usual place of work which you can guarantee won’t be prepared as the clubs training and playing facilities which will be: spotlessly clean, everything tested, checked etc.
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Jouster,
A little mean on your part! Remember you are talking about some greatly overpaid prima donnas who feed on public adulation, many of whom are not noted for their cerebral prowess.
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 26 minutes ago
Question directly asked in the briefing today about football coming back for 12th June. Neither "side" of the arguement would claim a victory on this. The question was not answered and it was basically stated that a serious of tests are in place, starting with training, to determine how safe any elite sports resuming would be.
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Thanks for posting that. If it's still up for debate then it seems an unnecessary risk.
I get the feeling there's anger being directed at footballers here while the people who are making the decisions to send people back to work when it's not safe are getting off scott-free. What about the millionaire politicians? Are we going to see them in the House of Commons at the start of June?
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Are we going to take shots at TV personalities for not doing live TV shows? Bands and comedians for not doing gigs? Selfish millionaires.
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 50 minutes ago
That's great
Though I read it's only just come out of testing. Any news on when everyone will start getting them?
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Report I read said that it's been independently reviewed and is 100% accurate. Its a blood test though, not a swab. Should be out next week but I don't trust what these guys say they'll do so much.
Also, I don't think there'll be competition for reagents. I doubt that many tests require the same reagents too. What would be the point of having different tests if they use the same reagents?
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
Are we going to take shots at TV personalities for not doing live TV shows? Bands and comedians for not doing gigs? Selfish millionaires.
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Bales, you’ll be falling on deaf ears. Even though deep down the pool fans know that they are being taken for a ride by the wealthy Prem greed mongers. They’ll still rather win a complete league, I do feel sorry for them I’m this regard, no matter what there will be ifs and butts from other fans.
Either way. The greedy baaaastatds pushing this (not pool fans) don’t give a fack about doing the right thing. Money talks.
Thor
I think we're talking at cross-purposes slightly. The tests I was referring to regarding reagents are the existing ones, which are simply a false or negative result.
Contrary to popular belief on here I'm not a doctor but I read an article in the telegraph which mentioned reagents being a limiting factor in the number of tests they can produce. Regardless of the details, the logic holds true - there's only a finite number of tests being produced, and there are people who should have them before footballers. Even if there is an infinite separate supply, it's morally questionable and definitely a bad PR move to do thousands of tests to get football running while the government is failing in their testing efforts.
I do agree once everyone can have an antibody test, and we know how long you're immune for given a certain amount of antibodies it will be easier for things to get back to normal and have things like football games with a firm idea of the risks involved.
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Who's said it's ok for people to lose their jobs
"with or without the resumption, we win the league."
Finally, a bit of honesty. Though I don't know why you're debating this if you don't care whether it starts again or not.
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comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 28 minutes ago
Who's said it's ok for people to lose their jobs
"with or without the resumption, we win the league."
Finally, a bit of honesty. Though I don't know why you're debating this if you don't care whether it starts again or not.
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Because that isnt the debate. Whether we win it or not is irrelevant. My view is that it can be started again and it should be. I'd say it if we were 25 points clear, 5 points clear or 5 points behind.
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Got it.
I mean, I disagree - I don't think we're there yet. But fair enough.
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 28 minutes ago
Who's said it's ok for people to lose their jobs
"with or without the resumption, we win the league."
Finally, a bit of honesty. Though I don't know why you're debating this if you don't care whether it starts again or not.
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Because that isnt the debate. Whether we win it or not is irrelevant. My view is that it can be started again and it should be. I'd say it if we were 25 points clear, 5 points clear or 5 points behind.
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Got it.
I mean, I disagree - I don't think we're there yet. But fair enough.
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Of course we're not there yet, that's why the target date is next month. If we're still not there, then it moves but we're close, as many returned to work this week, then footballers shouldn't have a problem in a months time with better protection. If footballers can't go back to work, then nobody should be back to work.
If footballers can't go back to work, then nobody should be back to work.
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Yup. That's my point. Well, that no-one should be going to work unless they have to, and that includes footballers. In my opinion no-one should be going back to work yet unless it's essential. This whole 'work from home if you can but maybe go to work if your boss tells you to' messaging is only because they want to restart the economy without lying to people and telling them everything's fine.
I'm not in the UK, but from an external point of view it's not under control there really. The numbers are all over the place, and it's so crowded - the Tube is an absolute disaster for Covid. It's just quietened down because everyone's inside. We'll see. I hope I'm wrong and everyone goes back to work soon without anything bad happening.
btw let's not forget that all of the players, coaches etc will have to be in training for weeks before any restart. The grounds (which ones?) will have to be prepared, cleaned etc. It's not just an overnight 'play the games next week' thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/education-52650259
This is fine.
I mean, the rest of the UK doesn't think so but good luck
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 29 minutes ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/education-52650259
This is fine.
I mean, the rest of the UK doesn't think so but good luck
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Schools are a different kettle of fish altogether. They won't have testing before they go to school. It's this part that you keep ignoring. They will be working in one of the safest work places possible, considering they know with 99% certainty they won't be in contact with somebody who has the virus.
I'm not ignoring anything. Lots of players will have kids they have to send to school. As will a lot of the staff. It's clearly not safe.
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posted on 14/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 12 seconds ago
What a mess of an article, generalising all players as the same.
Some will be idiots who don't believe, others will be selfish and won't care, but there'll be plenty who don't want put their family at risk or spend a few months away from them if that's whats proposed to finish the season.
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I have to work away from my family all the time. On the day I decide I want to always be close to my family, my employer would be happy to let me go. I am currently working away from my family, as are millions of others who will go home in the evening having spent the whole day with untested people and unsanitized surfaces, as opposed to footballers who will live and play in far safer places.
Why don't I have this privilege where I can demand not to leave my family because I am afraid of covid, and still get my wages?
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I think the answer is because your team isn't doing crap in the league, or something.
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Makes a helluva lot of sense this
posted on 14/5/20
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 8 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 7 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by JimmyTheRed (U1682)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
I don’t see them as ‘fake’ VJ’. I’ve read that Danny Rose, now at Newcastle has come out saying there shouldn’t be any play until the whole thing is cracked, but that could take year to get there. If they’ve got a genuine concern then, fair enough, they can’t be forced to play.
Imagine, if you will, being a top drawer PL player, international, playing a blinder week in, week out, top top wages too, say in the £100K - £350K a week. The world is your oyster, nothing but nothing going south.
Then comes along a deadly disease. No evidence yet as to who why where how as to where we are headed.
It can hit anyone, young, old, fat, thin, healthy unfit tall, short, the full whack. No warning, no signal, nothing.
These players are, in the main, earning money beyond their wildest dreams x 10. And the great unknown, hanging above their heads is waiting, and could well strike, with devastating results.
At the end of they day, they are only human, just like the rest of us, but with an incredible amount to lose, to come crashing down upon their heads, their own paradise blown to shreds.
If they don’t want to play, or engage even, their choice. Financial ramifications? Depends on the terms of their contracts.
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Boohoo, poor spoiled players.
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How entitled is that response?
As if football is in any way essential. The're only being coerced to play because billionaires and organisations worth billions want to keep the money flowing.
The players should cough up and cover all of the non-playing staff's wages for a year. Say 5 million split over 25 players - 200k each for an entire year of staff salaries. Most of them earn more than that in a month. I think if they did that the clubs would have very little leverage to force them on the pitch.
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What has essential got to do with anything? My job is not essential, amongst millions of others and they're still working with less protection than the millionaire players.
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I'm sorry you have to go to work for a non-essential job during a pandemic. That's really sh!t, I would not be happy with that at all.
That doesn't change the fact that playing a contact sport which requires you to be in close proximity to a large group of people is a bad idea, though. And it's quite clearly a bad idea right now.
The virus doesn't care if they're millionaires - the money won't stop them or their relatives getting sick. As I mentioned, though, they could pay their way out of this if they wanted to by covering the club's outgoings for the time being. Most people can't do that for their employers and colleagues. If they're not willing to do that they should expect this pressure to get back to work. That much is fair.
What's entitled about it is the attitude that 'they're millionaires, boohoo' as if 1. that money makes them somehow safer from dying. 2. they somehow owe it to the public to play football. I would think there's a good chunk of the public that would not be happy if they're doing thousands of tests while the government repeatedly misses their targets for testing front-line workers and the vulnerable.
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If you have it, you won’t be on the pitch so social distancing is irrelevant.
Tests used by clubs aren’t used by the NHS due to coat and practicality. Nobody is missing out due to football clubs spending 40k on testing machines.
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False negatives are a thing. It only takes one person they're in contact with to have tested negative and still have it, and everyone has it. See Dybala, and numerous other cases. They're still not sure if having antibodies makes you immune, so no, it's not really safe. If it were there'd be no debate around this.
As for the tests, on the surface level you're right - they won't be directly buying tests that are on order for the government. They won't be apparent or relevant to a lot of the public, though. Also those tests all require the same chemical reagents etc, of which there's a limited supply. So the companies that supply the clubs would be competing with government for suppliers.
posted on 14/5/20
False negatives are a thing.
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Not anymore, or at least not for long with a 100% accurate test now available, according to media reports. Govt has said it will roll this out en masse apparently.
posted on 14/5/20
The new test will also be able to tell whether you have had covid at any time in the past. Issue of immunity is what I haven't seen confirmed. Its suggested re infection is not possible but this has not been scientifically proven I guess.
posted on 14/5/20
That's great
Though I read it's only just come out of testing. Any news on when everyone will start getting them?
posted on 14/5/20
Question directly asked in the briefing today about football coming back for 12th June. Neither "side" of the arguement would claim a victory on this. The question was not answered and it was basically stated that a serious of tests are in place, starting with training, to determine how safe any elite sports resuming would be.
posted on 14/5/20
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Joe public will have to return to the office, shops or their usual place of work which you can guarantee won’t be prepared as the clubs training and playing facilities which will be: spotlessly clean, everything tested, checked etc.
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Jouster,
A little mean on your part! Remember you are talking about some greatly overpaid prima donnas who feed on public adulation, many of whom are not noted for their cerebral prowess.
posted on 14/5/20
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 26 minutes ago
Question directly asked in the briefing today about football coming back for 12th June. Neither "side" of the arguement would claim a victory on this. The question was not answered and it was basically stated that a serious of tests are in place, starting with training, to determine how safe any elite sports resuming would be.
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Thanks for posting that. If it's still up for debate then it seems an unnecessary risk.
I get the feeling there's anger being directed at footballers here while the people who are making the decisions to send people back to work when it's not safe are getting off scott-free. What about the millionaire politicians? Are we going to see them in the House of Commons at the start of June?
posted on 14/5/20
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posted on 14/5/20
posted on 14/5/20
Are we going to take shots at TV personalities for not doing live TV shows? Bands and comedians for not doing gigs? Selfish millionaires.
posted on 14/5/20
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 50 minutes ago
That's great
Though I read it's only just come out of testing. Any news on when everyone will start getting them?
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Report I read said that it's been independently reviewed and is 100% accurate. Its a blood test though, not a swab. Should be out next week but I don't trust what these guys say they'll do so much.
posted on 14/5/20
Also, I don't think there'll be competition for reagents. I doubt that many tests require the same reagents too. What would be the point of having different tests if they use the same reagents?
posted on 14/5/20
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
Are we going to take shots at TV personalities for not doing live TV shows? Bands and comedians for not doing gigs? Selfish millionaires.
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Bales, you’ll be falling on deaf ears. Even though deep down the pool fans know that they are being taken for a ride by the wealthy Prem greed mongers. They’ll still rather win a complete league, I do feel sorry for them I’m this regard, no matter what there will be ifs and butts from other fans.
Either way. The greedy baaaastatds pushing this (not pool fans) don’t give a fack about doing the right thing. Money talks.
posted on 14/5/20
Thor
I think we're talking at cross-purposes slightly. The tests I was referring to regarding reagents are the existing ones, which are simply a false or negative result.
Contrary to popular belief on here I'm not a doctor but I read an article in the telegraph which mentioned reagents being a limiting factor in the number of tests they can produce. Regardless of the details, the logic holds true - there's only a finite number of tests being produced, and there are people who should have them before footballers. Even if there is an infinite separate supply, it's morally questionable and definitely a bad PR move to do thousands of tests to get football running while the government is failing in their testing efforts.
I do agree once everyone can have an antibody test, and we know how long you're immune for given a certain amount of antibodies it will be easier for things to get back to normal and have things like football games with a firm idea of the risks involved.
posted on 14/5/20
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posted on 14/5/20
Who's said it's ok for people to lose their jobs
"with or without the resumption, we win the league."
Finally, a bit of honesty. Though I don't know why you're debating this if you don't care whether it starts again or not.
posted on 14/5/20
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posted on 14/5/20
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 28 minutes ago
Who's said it's ok for people to lose their jobs
"with or without the resumption, we win the league."
Finally, a bit of honesty. Though I don't know why you're debating this if you don't care whether it starts again or not.
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Because that isnt the debate. Whether we win it or not is irrelevant. My view is that it can be started again and it should be. I'd say it if we were 25 points clear, 5 points clear or 5 points behind.
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Got it.
I mean, I disagree - I don't think we're there yet. But fair enough.
posted on 14/5/20
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 28 minutes ago
Who's said it's ok for people to lose their jobs
"with or without the resumption, we win the league."
Finally, a bit of honesty. Though I don't know why you're debating this if you don't care whether it starts again or not.
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Because that isnt the debate. Whether we win it or not is irrelevant. My view is that it can be started again and it should be. I'd say it if we were 25 points clear, 5 points clear or 5 points behind.
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Got it.
I mean, I disagree - I don't think we're there yet. But fair enough.
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Of course we're not there yet, that's why the target date is next month. If we're still not there, then it moves but we're close, as many returned to work this week, then footballers shouldn't have a problem in a months time with better protection. If footballers can't go back to work, then nobody should be back to work.
posted on 14/5/20
If footballers can't go back to work, then nobody should be back to work.
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Yup. That's my point. Well, that no-one should be going to work unless they have to, and that includes footballers. In my opinion no-one should be going back to work yet unless it's essential. This whole 'work from home if you can but maybe go to work if your boss tells you to' messaging is only because they want to restart the economy without lying to people and telling them everything's fine.
I'm not in the UK, but from an external point of view it's not under control there really. The numbers are all over the place, and it's so crowded - the Tube is an absolute disaster for Covid. It's just quietened down because everyone's inside. We'll see. I hope I'm wrong and everyone goes back to work soon without anything bad happening.
posted on 14/5/20
btw let's not forget that all of the players, coaches etc will have to be in training for weeks before any restart. The grounds (which ones?) will have to be prepared, cleaned etc. It's not just an overnight 'play the games next week' thing.
posted on 14/5/20
https://www.bbc.com/news/education-52650259
This is fine.
I mean, the rest of the UK doesn't think so but good luck
posted on 15/5/20
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 29 minutes ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/education-52650259
This is fine.
I mean, the rest of the UK doesn't think so but good luck
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Schools are a different kettle of fish altogether. They won't have testing before they go to school. It's this part that you keep ignoring. They will be working in one of the safest work places possible, considering they know with 99% certainty they won't be in contact with somebody who has the virus.
posted on 15/5/20
I'm not ignoring anything. Lots of players will have kids they have to send to school. As will a lot of the staff. It's clearly not safe.
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