Ive not really seen Keita have a bad game for us tbh. Not one where you think he really shouldnt be at the club certainly. West Ham last season maybe when he limped off. His country havent didn't do him any favours at all calling him up when not fully recovered and that certainly had a knock on effect.
He hasnt played too much this season but has been influential when he has and is great to watch. In terms of appearances I think it should be remembered this season he's been trying to get into the starting line up of arguably the best team on the planet.
In summary I dont think Keita or Fred should be on this list.
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 hours, 13 minutes ago
Sat Nav
"but what about the 40 odd times he wasn't injured and didn't play?"
"40% of the games that have been played since he joined, he hasn't been injured and hasn't been involved"
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The way I see it, both of these cannot be true. None of these are true statements IMO, but even on a purely logical basis, both cannot be true surely.
And I've posted stats a few pages back and provided sources which show that Keita has been injured often and regularly, coming on or being subbed off nearly 90% of the time he is available, because he is always transitioning from one injury or another.
He's played 90 minutes 6 times in two seasons and all his full games have come in periods where he has stayed fit for a few weeks and he has produced for Liverpool to expected standards for a player in his circumstances.
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he has missed 23 games
Liverpool played 53 games last season and 48 this season
101 games...he has appeared 34 times, often off the bench
101- 34- 23 = 44 games he didn't appear in, not because he was injured just because herr Klopp didn't fancy him
thats a flop, no arguments
https://www.transfermarkt.us/naby-keita/verletzungen/spieler/302215
It’s pretty simple to understand mate. The numbers used above are 101 games since he joined Liverpool so 40 games and 40% are roughly the same (the poster wasn’t needing to be 100% accurate).
Therefore both statements can be true as they are both saying the same thing??????
thats a flop, no arguments
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I think there is an argument.
For example, if you know about Klopp and Liverpool, you don't get a game unless you've completed a full weeks training. That doesnt show on transfermarket despite being technically available.
I wouldnt put much stick in transfermarkets injury records anyway as they're often inaccurate. Feel free to do a dip test on that.
Furthermore Keita motm record to appearances if very good, he played a large part in our European campaigns and as said he's not trying to get a game in some Europa side is he.
He's had some average games and some really very good ones. I can't think of many, if any, actual bad ones.
Sat Nav (U18243)
What if he stays injury free and becomes a mainstay in a title winning Liverpool side next season?
Like Pogba, I just don't see how we can absolutely claim he's a flop at this point.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 hours, 13 minutes ago
Sat Nav
"but what about the 40 odd times he wasn't injured and didn't play?"
"40% of the games that have been played since he joined, he hasn't been injured and hasn't been involved"
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The way I see it, both of these cannot be true. None of these are true statements IMO, but even on a purely logical basis, both cannot be true surely.
And I've posted stats a few pages back and provided sources which show that Keita has been injured often and regularly, coming on or being subbed off nearly 90% of the time he is available, because he is always transitioning from one injury or another.
He's played 90 minutes 6 times in two seasons and all his full games have come in periods where he has stayed fit for a few weeks and he has produced for Liverpool to expected standards for a player in his circumstances.
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he has missed 23 games
Liverpool played 53 games last season and 48 this season
101 games...he has appeared 34 times, often off the bench
101- 34- 23 = 44 games he didn't appear in, not because he was injured just because herr Klopp didn't fancy him
thats a flop, no arguments
https://www.transfermarkt.us/naby-keita/verletzungen/spieler/302215
It’s pretty simple to understand mate. The numbers used above are 101 games since he joined Liverpool so 40 games and 40% are roughly the same (the poster wasn’t needing to be 100% accurate).
Therefore both statements can be true as they are both saying the same thing??????
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Well it should be simple but unfortunately some people don't have the basic common sense to work it out.
You're counting single games missed. However due to the quantity of injuries, he has had, he has been in a continuous cycle; plays well, gets injured, recovering, is eased in, starts playing well again, repeat. Simple counting the game he was missing is fine, for somebody who has had a couple of injury periods but not for a player who has been in this continuous cycle. As many of the games missed, subbed on/off were due to him recovering or being eased in, before he got injured again. He was bought to be a regular starter and after the initial period of being eased in, was a regular starter, until the cycle of injuries started.
Actually a good point as well Toor.
His country fvcked him ocer last summer really.
"He was bought to be a regular starter"
But fully fit, would he be now?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Sat Nav (U18243)
What if he stays injury free and becomes a mainstay in a title winning Liverpool side next season?
Like Pogba, I just don't see how we can absolutely claim he's a flop at this point.
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Oh for sure. My vote was Sanchez which I really don’t think anyone is disagreeing with.
I think Keita & Pogba are flops. We can only judge to the present day and from their signing date to now they’ve both failed to produce what they were signed to do (different problems). Keita’s injuries definitely won’t have helped but I don’t think it gets him out of this list.
Pogba has played in a worse team than his Juve team and he is a player type that is luxury and more reliant on his team mates doing the ugly work. I don’t think this gets Pogba out of this list either.
The main reason for posting was to help Thor understand the concept put to him.
"We can only judge to the present day"
Well, we can only judge their performances, yes.
But we can choose to decide whether 'flop' is an appropriate term for them or not.
I just don't think we can decide that while they're still very much part of the first team squad.
But re: that last sentence, completely understand - good luck though!
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 hours, 13 minutes ago
Sat Nav
"but what about the 40 odd times he wasn't injured and didn't play?"
"40% of the games that have been played since he joined, he hasn't been injured and hasn't been involved"
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The way I see it, both of these cannot be true. None of these are true statements IMO, but even on a purely logical basis, both cannot be true surely.
And I've posted stats a few pages back and provided sources which show that Keita has been injured often and regularly, coming on or being subbed off nearly 90% of the time he is available, because he is always transitioning from one injury or another.
He's played 90 minutes 6 times in two seasons and all his full games have come in periods where he has stayed fit for a few weeks and he has produced for Liverpool to expected standards for a player in his circumstances.
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he has missed 23 games
Liverpool played 53 games last season and 48 this season
101 games...he has appeared 34 times, often off the bench
101- 34- 23 = 44 games he didn't appear in, not because he was injured just because herr Klopp didn't fancy him
thats a flop, no arguments
https://www.transfermarkt.us/naby-keita/verletzungen/spieler/302215
It’s pretty simple to understand mate. The numbers used above are 101 games since he joined Liverpool so 40 games and 40% are roughly the same (the poster wasn’t needing to be 100% accurate).
Therefore both statements can be true as they are both saying the same thing??????
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Well it should be simple but unfortunately some people don't have the basic common sense to work it out.
You're counting single games missed. However due to the quantity of injuries, he has had, he has been in a continuous cycle; plays well, gets injured, recovering, is eased in, starts playing well again, repeat. Simple counting the game he was missing is fine, for somebody who has had a couple of injury periods but not for a player who has been in this continuous cycle. As many of the games missed, subbed on/off were due to him recovering or being eased in, before he got injured again. He was bought to be a regular starter and after the initial period of being eased in, was a regular starter, until the cycle of injuries started.
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I totally get that.
Injury comes back on the bench for a couple of games, used a little, used a little more then gets injured again.
Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. Disrupts all flow and any momentum.
But at the same time, those numbers do suggest that it’s probably a little more than just injury problems.
The reality is that it’s a bit of both I reckon.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
"He was bought to be a regular starter"
But fully fit, would he be now?
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Without doubt, for me, if he plays to the level he has been when fit.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
"He was bought to be a regular starter"
But fully fit, would he be now?
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Without doubt, for me, if he plays to the level he has been when fit.
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Interesting.
Don't agree with that at all myself and think his lack of re-introduction into the team when he's fit speaks volumes.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
"We can only judge to the present day"
Well, we can only judge their performances, yes.
But we can choose to decide whether 'flop' is an appropriate term for them or not.
I just don't think we can decide that while they're still very much part of the first team squad.
But re: that last sentence, completely understand - good luck though!
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If Pogba left United this summer, would you call it a flop?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
"He was bought to be a regular starter"
But fully fit, would he be now?
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Without doubt, for me, if he plays to the level he has been when fit.
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Interesting.
Don't agree with that at all myself and think his lack of re-introduction into the team when he's fit speaks volumes.
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What lack of reintroduction when fit? There hasn't been a lack of reintroduction when fit.
Same question to Liverpool fans re: Keita
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 10 seconds ago
Same question to Liverpool fans re: Keita
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Yes.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
"He was bought to be a regular starter"
But fully fit, would he be now?
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Without doubt, for me, if he plays to the level he has been when fit.
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Interesting.
Don't agree with that at all myself and think his lack of re-introduction into the team when he's fit speaks volumes.
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What lack of reintroduction when fit? There hasn't been a lack of reintroduction when fit.
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From what I saw there has.
No real attempt by Klopp to get him fit for 90 minutes and starting - certainly this season.
Might have that wrong but saw something to suggest that's the case. Would need to look it up.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
"We can only judge to the present day"
Well, we can only judge their performances, yes.
But we can choose to decide whether 'flop' is an appropriate term for them or not.
I just don't think we can decide that while they're still very much part of the first team squad.
But re: that last sentence, completely understand - good luck though!
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If Pogba left United this summer, would you call it a flop?
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Yeh, I think so.
Borderline but the price tag swings it.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
"He was bought to be a regular starter"
But fully fit, would he be now?
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Without doubt, for me, if he plays to the level he has been when fit.
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Interesting.
Don't agree with that at all myself and think his lack of re-introduction into the team when he's fit speaks volumes.
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What lack of reintroduction when fit? There hasn't been a lack of reintroduction when fit.
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If the numbers linked to earlier are correct, I would say that 44 out of 101 games is more than just ‘returning from injury’ difficulties. Maybe he wasn’t doing enough in training or something but there is something else going on there.
In that case both Pogba & Keita are flops.
Next season might completely change that but we don’t know what the future holds.
What we can all agree on is that Sanchez is the biggest flop ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
"He was bought to be a regular starter"
But fully fit, would he be now?
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Without doubt, for me, if he plays to the level he has been when fit.
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Interesting.
Don't agree with that at all myself and think his lack of re-introduction into the team when he's fit speaks volumes.
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What lack of reintroduction when fit? There hasn't been a lack of reintroduction when fit.
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If the numbers linked to earlier are correct, I would say that 44 out of 101 games is more than just ‘returning from injury’ difficulties. Maybe he wasn’t doing enough in training or something but there is something else going on there.
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Then you'd be wrong. It's as Liverpool fans are telling you. He is eased back, he plays well, he gets injured. How would you deal with the player in this situation? Keep throwing him in, hoping he doesn't get injured, or ease him in?
I don't even understand your logic here.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 52 seconds ago
In that case both Pogba & Keita are flops.
Next season might completely change that but we don’t know what the future holds.
What we can all agree on is that Sanchez is the biggest flop ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
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Agreed!
I fundamentally disagree with labelling players a flop before they've completed their time in a team though.
How many times have we seen a United player struggle and then become a really good player for us?
Henderson, Fabinho and Wij all arguably showing their best form in a Liverpool shirt this season. Milner has been none too shabby either so yeah, it's hard to get into this Liverpool side. His skill set is important though and he's been motm three or four times this season.
I don't think many, if any, Liverpool fans regard him as a flop and the club certainly don't so I think to list him in the top five biggest flops in the league. Everton see to that on their own!
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
Henderson, Fabinho and Wij all arguably showing their best form in a Liverpool shirt this season. Milner has been none too shabby either so yeah, it's hard to get into this Liverpool side. His skill set is important though and he's been motm three or four times this season.
I don't think many, if any, Liverpool fans regard him as a flop and the club certainly don't so I think to list him in the top five biggest flops in the league. Everton see to that on their own!
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Exactly this.
People like Jim voice their opinion like it's fact without mentioning this. Fred gets in Man Us team as the mf competition is weak.
Keita may not always be injured but after u return from injury you need to be fit and that takes time. Getting back your fitness and form by slotting back into the United team isn't even comparable to trying to get upto speed and back into the Liverpool team. Look at the squad depth of Liverpool. They are a laughable amount of points clear.
If Fred comes back from injury he plays as they have little choice. At Liverpool unless keita is fully fit he isn't getting even close to the bench cos the comp for places is more intense.
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posted on 18/5/20
Ive not really seen Keita have a bad game for us tbh. Not one where you think he really shouldnt be at the club certainly. West Ham last season maybe when he limped off. His country havent didn't do him any favours at all calling him up when not fully recovered and that certainly had a knock on effect.
He hasnt played too much this season but has been influential when he has and is great to watch. In terms of appearances I think it should be remembered this season he's been trying to get into the starting line up of arguably the best team on the planet.
posted on 18/5/20
In summary I dont think Keita or Fred should be on this list.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 hours, 13 minutes ago
Sat Nav
"but what about the 40 odd times he wasn't injured and didn't play?"
"40% of the games that have been played since he joined, he hasn't been injured and hasn't been involved"
---------
The way I see it, both of these cannot be true. None of these are true statements IMO, but even on a purely logical basis, both cannot be true surely.
And I've posted stats a few pages back and provided sources which show that Keita has been injured often and regularly, coming on or being subbed off nearly 90% of the time he is available, because he is always transitioning from one injury or another.
He's played 90 minutes 6 times in two seasons and all his full games have come in periods where he has stayed fit for a few weeks and he has produced for Liverpool to expected standards for a player in his circumstances.
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he has missed 23 games
Liverpool played 53 games last season and 48 this season
101 games...he has appeared 34 times, often off the bench
101- 34- 23 = 44 games he didn't appear in, not because he was injured just because herr Klopp didn't fancy him
thats a flop, no arguments
https://www.transfermarkt.us/naby-keita/verletzungen/spieler/302215
It’s pretty simple to understand mate. The numbers used above are 101 games since he joined Liverpool so 40 games and 40% are roughly the same (the poster wasn’t needing to be 100% accurate).
Therefore both statements can be true as they are both saying the same thing??????
posted on 18/5/20
thats a flop, no arguments
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I think there is an argument.
For example, if you know about Klopp and Liverpool, you don't get a game unless you've completed a full weeks training. That doesnt show on transfermarket despite being technically available.
I wouldnt put much stick in transfermarkets injury records anyway as they're often inaccurate. Feel free to do a dip test on that.
Furthermore Keita motm record to appearances if very good, he played a large part in our European campaigns and as said he's not trying to get a game in some Europa side is he.
He's had some average games and some really very good ones. I can't think of many, if any, actual bad ones.
posted on 18/5/20
Sat Nav (U18243)
What if he stays injury free and becomes a mainstay in a title winning Liverpool side next season?
Like Pogba, I just don't see how we can absolutely claim he's a flop at this point.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 hours, 13 minutes ago
Sat Nav
"but what about the 40 odd times he wasn't injured and didn't play?"
"40% of the games that have been played since he joined, he hasn't been injured and hasn't been involved"
---------
The way I see it, both of these cannot be true. None of these are true statements IMO, but even on a purely logical basis, both cannot be true surely.
And I've posted stats a few pages back and provided sources which show that Keita has been injured often and regularly, coming on or being subbed off nearly 90% of the time he is available, because he is always transitioning from one injury or another.
He's played 90 minutes 6 times in two seasons and all his full games have come in periods where he has stayed fit for a few weeks and he has produced for Liverpool to expected standards for a player in his circumstances.
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he has missed 23 games
Liverpool played 53 games last season and 48 this season
101 games...he has appeared 34 times, often off the bench
101- 34- 23 = 44 games he didn't appear in, not because he was injured just because herr Klopp didn't fancy him
thats a flop, no arguments
https://www.transfermarkt.us/naby-keita/verletzungen/spieler/302215
It’s pretty simple to understand mate. The numbers used above are 101 games since he joined Liverpool so 40 games and 40% are roughly the same (the poster wasn’t needing to be 100% accurate).
Therefore both statements can be true as they are both saying the same thing??????
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Well it should be simple but unfortunately some people don't have the basic common sense to work it out.
You're counting single games missed. However due to the quantity of injuries, he has had, he has been in a continuous cycle; plays well, gets injured, recovering, is eased in, starts playing well again, repeat. Simple counting the game he was missing is fine, for somebody who has had a couple of injury periods but not for a player who has been in this continuous cycle. As many of the games missed, subbed on/off were due to him recovering or being eased in, before he got injured again. He was bought to be a regular starter and after the initial period of being eased in, was a regular starter, until the cycle of injuries started.
posted on 18/5/20
Actually a good point as well Toor.
His country fvcked him ocer last summer really.
posted on 18/5/20
"He was bought to be a regular starter"
But fully fit, would he be now?
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Sat Nav (U18243)
What if he stays injury free and becomes a mainstay in a title winning Liverpool side next season?
Like Pogba, I just don't see how we can absolutely claim he's a flop at this point.
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Oh for sure. My vote was Sanchez which I really don’t think anyone is disagreeing with.
I think Keita & Pogba are flops. We can only judge to the present day and from their signing date to now they’ve both failed to produce what they were signed to do (different problems). Keita’s injuries definitely won’t have helped but I don’t think it gets him out of this list.
Pogba has played in a worse team than his Juve team and he is a player type that is luxury and more reliant on his team mates doing the ugly work. I don’t think this gets Pogba out of this list either.
The main reason for posting was to help Thor understand the concept put to him.
posted on 18/5/20
"We can only judge to the present day"
Well, we can only judge their performances, yes.
But we can choose to decide whether 'flop' is an appropriate term for them or not.
I just don't think we can decide that while they're still very much part of the first team squad.
But re: that last sentence, completely understand - good luck though!
posted on 18/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 hours, 13 minutes ago
Sat Nav
"but what about the 40 odd times he wasn't injured and didn't play?"
"40% of the games that have been played since he joined, he hasn't been injured and hasn't been involved"
---------
The way I see it, both of these cannot be true. None of these are true statements IMO, but even on a purely logical basis, both cannot be true surely.
And I've posted stats a few pages back and provided sources which show that Keita has been injured often and regularly, coming on or being subbed off nearly 90% of the time he is available, because he is always transitioning from one injury or another.
He's played 90 minutes 6 times in two seasons and all his full games have come in periods where he has stayed fit for a few weeks and he has produced for Liverpool to expected standards for a player in his circumstances.
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he has missed 23 games
Liverpool played 53 games last season and 48 this season
101 games...he has appeared 34 times, often off the bench
101- 34- 23 = 44 games he didn't appear in, not because he was injured just because herr Klopp didn't fancy him
thats a flop, no arguments
https://www.transfermarkt.us/naby-keita/verletzungen/spieler/302215
It’s pretty simple to understand mate. The numbers used above are 101 games since he joined Liverpool so 40 games and 40% are roughly the same (the poster wasn’t needing to be 100% accurate).
Therefore both statements can be true as they are both saying the same thing??????
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Well it should be simple but unfortunately some people don't have the basic common sense to work it out.
You're counting single games missed. However due to the quantity of injuries, he has had, he has been in a continuous cycle; plays well, gets injured, recovering, is eased in, starts playing well again, repeat. Simple counting the game he was missing is fine, for somebody who has had a couple of injury periods but not for a player who has been in this continuous cycle. As many of the games missed, subbed on/off were due to him recovering or being eased in, before he got injured again. He was bought to be a regular starter and after the initial period of being eased in, was a regular starter, until the cycle of injuries started.
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I totally get that.
Injury comes back on the bench for a couple of games, used a little, used a little more then gets injured again.
Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. Disrupts all flow and any momentum.
But at the same time, those numbers do suggest that it’s probably a little more than just injury problems.
The reality is that it’s a bit of both I reckon.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
"He was bought to be a regular starter"
But fully fit, would he be now?
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Without doubt, for me, if he plays to the level he has been when fit.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
"He was bought to be a regular starter"
But fully fit, would he be now?
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Without doubt, for me, if he plays to the level he has been when fit.
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Interesting.
Don't agree with that at all myself and think his lack of re-introduction into the team when he's fit speaks volumes.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
"We can only judge to the present day"
Well, we can only judge their performances, yes.
But we can choose to decide whether 'flop' is an appropriate term for them or not.
I just don't think we can decide that while they're still very much part of the first team squad.
But re: that last sentence, completely understand - good luck though!
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If Pogba left United this summer, would you call it a flop?
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
"He was bought to be a regular starter"
But fully fit, would he be now?
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Without doubt, for me, if he plays to the level he has been when fit.
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Interesting.
Don't agree with that at all myself and think his lack of re-introduction into the team when he's fit speaks volumes.
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What lack of reintroduction when fit? There hasn't been a lack of reintroduction when fit.
posted on 18/5/20
Same question to Liverpool fans re: Keita
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 10 seconds ago
Same question to Liverpool fans re: Keita
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Yes.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
"He was bought to be a regular starter"
But fully fit, would he be now?
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Without doubt, for me, if he plays to the level he has been when fit.
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Interesting.
Don't agree with that at all myself and think his lack of re-introduction into the team when he's fit speaks volumes.
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What lack of reintroduction when fit? There hasn't been a lack of reintroduction when fit.
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From what I saw there has.
No real attempt by Klopp to get him fit for 90 minutes and starting - certainly this season.
Might have that wrong but saw something to suggest that's the case. Would need to look it up.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
"We can only judge to the present day"
Well, we can only judge their performances, yes.
But we can choose to decide whether 'flop' is an appropriate term for them or not.
I just don't think we can decide that while they're still very much part of the first team squad.
But re: that last sentence, completely understand - good luck though!
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If Pogba left United this summer, would you call it a flop?
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Yeh, I think so.
Borderline but the price tag swings it.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
"He was bought to be a regular starter"
But fully fit, would he be now?
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Without doubt, for me, if he plays to the level he has been when fit.
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Interesting.
Don't agree with that at all myself and think his lack of re-introduction into the team when he's fit speaks volumes.
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What lack of reintroduction when fit? There hasn't been a lack of reintroduction when fit.
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If the numbers linked to earlier are correct, I would say that 44 out of 101 games is more than just ‘returning from injury’ difficulties. Maybe he wasn’t doing enough in training or something but there is something else going on there.
posted on 18/5/20
In that case both Pogba & Keita are flops.
Next season might completely change that but we don’t know what the future holds.
What we can all agree on is that Sanchez is the biggest flop ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
posted on 18/5/20
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"He was bought to be a regular starter"
But fully fit, would he be now?
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Without doubt, for me, if he plays to the level he has been when fit.
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Interesting.
Don't agree with that at all myself and think his lack of re-introduction into the team when he's fit speaks volumes.
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What lack of reintroduction when fit? There hasn't been a lack of reintroduction when fit.
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If the numbers linked to earlier are correct, I would say that 44 out of 101 games is more than just ‘returning from injury’ difficulties. Maybe he wasn’t doing enough in training or something but there is something else going on there.
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Then you'd be wrong. It's as Liverpool fans are telling you. He is eased back, he plays well, he gets injured. How would you deal with the player in this situation? Keep throwing him in, hoping he doesn't get injured, or ease him in?
I don't even understand your logic here.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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In that case both Pogba & Keita are flops.
Next season might completely change that but we don’t know what the future holds.
What we can all agree on is that Sanchez is the biggest flop ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
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Agreed!
I fundamentally disagree with labelling players a flop before they've completed their time in a team though.
How many times have we seen a United player struggle and then become a really good player for us?
posted on 18/5/20
Henderson, Fabinho and Wij all arguably showing their best form in a Liverpool shirt this season. Milner has been none too shabby either so yeah, it's hard to get into this Liverpool side. His skill set is important though and he's been motm three or four times this season.
I don't think many, if any, Liverpool fans regard him as a flop and the club certainly don't so I think to list him in the top five biggest flops in the league. Everton see to that on their own!
posted on 18/5/20
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Henderson, Fabinho and Wij all arguably showing their best form in a Liverpool shirt this season. Milner has been none too shabby either so yeah, it's hard to get into this Liverpool side. His skill set is important though and he's been motm three or four times this season.
I don't think many, if any, Liverpool fans regard him as a flop and the club certainly don't so I think to list him in the top five biggest flops in the league. Everton see to that on their own!
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Exactly this.
People like Jim voice their opinion like it's fact without mentioning this. Fred gets in Man Us team as the mf competition is weak.
Keita may not always be injured but after u return from injury you need to be fit and that takes time. Getting back your fitness and form by slotting back into the United team isn't even comparable to trying to get upto speed and back into the Liverpool team. Look at the squad depth of Liverpool. They are a laughable amount of points clear.
If Fred comes back from injury he plays as they have little choice. At Liverpool unless keita is fully fit he isn't getting even close to the bench cos the comp for places is more intense.
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