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Biggest big money flop currently in the PL?

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posted on 17/5/20

As for the biggest flop, it’s absurd to label a player who still has every chance of doing quite well with a club as a flop.

If Pogba strikes up a partnership and United finish strongly, then go onto have a great season next year - is he a flop?

I don’t like him. He should have done so much more for the price tag.

But it’s too soon to write him off as a flop.

posted on 17/5/20

I don’t think he’s a flop, disappointment, but he’s had 3 years to prove otherwise and for the most part hasn’t. He’s not helped by playing him in positions he’s crap at, and the players he plays with, but let’s face it, a world record fee player should be able to inspire and run games without amazing players alongside, but he hasn’t.

comment by Shugs (U14253)

posted on 17/5/20

I'm not a fan of pogba... But last season he'd 16 goals similar number of assists... Most chances created, passes from midfield

Its a stretch to label him a flop stats wise... As infuriating as he can be

Sanchez is the biggest flop for me... Utter rubbish for the wages he gets... Criminal

posted on 17/5/20

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comment by #TopLad || Sir Alex Ferguson ||✓ (U10161)
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Fred and Pogba have both played to a higher standard and over a more consistent period of time than Keita I am sure.
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Fred is shocking and is only in Man Us team cos he cost a fortune and their squad is weak. Fred never starts in a top team. Keitas injuries have stopped him getting a run of games but he has hit passes and been the best player on the pitch. I've seen unused subs play better than Fred 😅

I'd actually go as far to say Fred is probably one of the worst signings, for big fees, in PL history. Shockingly bad. Keita can pass and tackle, does anyone know what Fred does? Lol he cannot even blame injuries for being bad as he has played most the season and been shocking throughout.

I think united have the worst mf they have had in PL history. That's why Fred plays basically.
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Someone is triggered. Liverpool fans can't admit how bad Keita has been after hyping him up.
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I'm hardly triggered cos I feel Fred is shocking. I think he is barely above lingaard in terms of ability. He would never get in an united team any other decade.

I've seen him do stuff that was like non league standard. He has got better but that doesn't disguise the fact that he has been fit, and still I have no idea what he is supposed to do.

Keita is made of paper for sure buthat clearly has ability and has been MOTM. Fred is never gonna be uniteds best player.

Fred is better than sanchez though but even Verdon was a better deal. Least u could see a player was there just maybe not the best fit for the system.
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I think this just means you don’t really understand what you are watching when you see people playing football.

posted on 17/5/20

comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
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It’s a fair comment about the timeframe but you have the take into account the state of the club in that time.

Suddenly we’re starting to see players like Fred, Shaw, Rashford etc. show a bit more.

I’ve always said that some players can look completely different depending on the manager and I think given the situation at United, along with the fact that he hasn’t been terrible, means we can’t be talking about him as a flop yet.

posted on 17/5/20

comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm not a fan of pogba... But last season he'd 16 goals similar number of assists... Most chances created, passes from midfield

Its a stretch to label him a flop stats wise... As infuriating as he can be

Sanchez is the biggest flop for me... Utter rubbish for the wages he gets... Criminal
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I think that numbers while impressive, are often skewed. Most of those goals were pens, and as the main playmaker, he’s expected and is given more opportunity to do that.

Going forward with Bruno in, he has to up his Game. I suspect he will rise a bit to it, having better players in will help him (as it does any player), but it won’t cloud the fact he should have been able to umpire without, and has failed. Too early to call a flop, as his career here hasn’t beefed but in 3 years he’s not come close at any point to justifying the fee.

comment by Shugs (U14253)

posted on 17/5/20

comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm not a fan of pogba... But last season he'd 16 goals similar number of assists... Most chances created, passes from midfield

Its a stretch to label him a flop stats wise... As infuriating as he can be

Sanchez is the biggest flop for me... Utter rubbish for the wages he gets... Criminal
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I think that numbers while impressive, are often skewed. Most of those goals were pens, and as the main playmaker, he’s expected and is given more opportunity to do that.

Going forward with Bruno in, he has to up his Game. I suspect he will rise a bit to it, having better players in will help him (as it does any player), but it won’t cloud the fact he should have been able to umpire without, and has failed. Too early to call a flop, as his career here hasn’t beefed but in 3 years he’s not come close at any point to justifying the fee.
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I agree with that... In fact if we're playing with a double pivot in midfield with Bruno ahead I'd rather Pogba went and we got a more dominant dm

I just don't think he's a flop to the extent of sanchez, keita, kepa etc... Not even close

posted on 17/5/20

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Teams give Fred the ball because there is a zero threat when he has it. Such a limited player. His only saving grace now is that he can pass to Fernandes.
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Like I said. Lazy assumptions.
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Happened at Anfield. Every other United player we pressed but when Fred had the ball they had a breather. They even let him find row z with a couple long range shots.
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I remember him being the best player on the pitch in that game for much of the 2nd half. Commentators said the same.
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It happened. I specifically remember Gary Neville saying he’s been outstanding and he’s not a biased commentator/pundit. Doesn’t suit your agenda but it happened.
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Which agenda is that? People can have different opinions you know? Not everybody is a biased United fan. Majority of fans who aren't United fans will say Fred has overall been poor. Yes he's been better than woeful this season, yes he has improved but he's poor. I watched him play for Shaktar a few times and he was outstanding. Running the show, dribbling, long range shots. He looks a shadow of that player.
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Clearly haven’t watched him this season at all. Been very good and has performed against all levels of opposition.

His shooting is still dreadful though.
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Ih I've watched him, I'm just not deluded enough to think he's been anywhere near the top five midfielders in the league.
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Again you think Gerrard is 3rd best this century and you call someone else deluded.
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So much this.

TOOR is talking out of his backside again.

Fred this season - poor, better than woeful? You’re just plain wrong.

I think he might be the most biased person on this site. And that is some statement.
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I never said he was poor this season. I said overall he has been poor.

comment by Thor (U22388)

posted on 17/5/20

comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 9 minutes ago
IMO having Keita on this list is like having Hargreaves on a similar list all those years ago. I'm not making a comparison in quality of player, more their circumstances with the frustrating injury situation.

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What a load of shiiite

Keita wasn't injured much last season and spent half of it on the bench

This season he's missed 10 league games through injury... Not exactly out for the season

Of the other 19 he's started 4 and been on the bench 14 times and barely got off it

Comparing him to a crock like Hargreaves is an absolute fantasy

The truth is Keita just hasn't made a big impact at Liverpool
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Be easy. Last season Keita missed 11 games through injury. He had 3 separate spells on the sidelines, missing entirely for 89 days of the season (a third).

comment by Thor (U22388)

posted on 17/5/20

He made 25 apps where he came on as a sub 9 times and was subbed off 11 times. Failed to get on the pitch around 2 times when it was often his first match back.

In total he played 1393 prem minutes, scoring twice and assisting once. Same trend in the CL where he scored one goal in 244 minutes.

comment by Thor (U22388)

posted on 17/5/20

This season? Missed 9 games, 28 days through 4 separate injuries. 9 apps in total, coming on 5 times and subbed off 3 times. 1 goal 1 assist in 368 minutes on the pitch.

He's played 90 minutes a grand total of 6 times since joining Liverpool. Always playing with a knock or being eased back in after recovering from something.

comment by Thor (U22388)

posted on 17/5/20

If that's not comparable to Hargreaves then I beg for mercy.

comment by Thor (U22388)

posted on 17/5/20

Info derived from transfermarkt.

Obviously what you did is confirm your bias instead of actually checking the facts and stats.

posted on 17/5/20

This is what you said, TOOR:

“Majority of fans who aren't United fans will say Fred has overall been poor. Yes he's been better than woeful this season, yes he has improved but he's poor.”

Sounds to me like you’re saying he’s still poor at the end there.

Nice of you to tell us what the majority of fans think though.

Great work, as usual.

posted on 17/5/20

‘Confirm your bias’



As if that makes any sense.

posted on 17/5/20

Fred has had a good year this season, to be fair to the guy. He has improved. I think there is probably a fair balance between some of the hyperbole being offered on both sides of this debate though.

comment by Thor (U22388)

posted on 17/5/20

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
‘Confirm your bias’



As if that makes any sense.
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What an attention seeking post.

posted on 17/5/20

If my memory serves me correct, Hargreaves played a decent chunk of his first season with United and then barely ever played again because of his injuries.

How’s that comparable to Keita?

posted on 17/5/20

comment by Thor (U22388)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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‘Confirm your bias’



As if that makes any sense.
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What an attention seeking post.
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Nah, just highlighting something that makes absolutely no sense.

Hope this helps.

comment by Thor (U22388)

posted on 17/5/20

comment by Winston (U16525)
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comment by Thor (U22388)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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‘Confirm your bias’



As if that makes any sense.
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What an attention seeking post.
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Nah, just highlighting something that makes absolutely no sense.

Hope this helps.
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Enjoy.

posted on 17/5/20

Oh I will.

posted on 17/5/20

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
This is what you said, TOOR:

“Majority of fans who aren't United fans will say Fred has overall been poor. Yes he's been better than woeful this season, yes he has improved but he's poor.”

Sounds to me like you’re saying he’s still poor at the end there.

Nice of you to tell us what the majority of fans think though.

Great work, as usual.
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Nope that's not what I'm saying at all. I don't think he is poor and in fact I have stated several times since United bought him that the player I saw at Shaktar was controlling the game, dribbling past players and shooting from range. Last season he was awful and he has been better this season but still not close to the player I saw at Shakhtar. Overall his time at United has been poor. I expect him to improve still but we're talking about so far.

posted on 17/5/20

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
This is what you said, TOOR:

“Majority of fans who aren't United fans will say Fred has overall been poor. Yes he's been better than woeful this season, yes he has improved but he's poor.”

Sounds to me like you’re saying he’s still poor at the end there.

Nice of you to tell us what the majority of fans think though.

Great work, as usual.
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Nope that's not what I'm saying at all. I don't think he is poor and in fact I have stated several times since United bought him that the player I saw at Shaktar was controlling the game, dribbling past players and shooting from range. Last season he was awful and he has been better this season but still not close to the player I saw at Shakhtar. Overall his time at United has been poor. I expect him to improve still but we're talking about so far.
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So the words you wrote are not what you think, glad we cleared that up.

He’s been very good for us this season and he’s got better as it’s gone on.

You may disagree but as Process pointed out, that doesn’t mean much to be honest.

comment by Shugs (U14253)

posted on 17/5/20

comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 1 minute ago
If that's not comparable to Hargreaves then I beg for mercy.

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Hargreaves played 25 minutes in 4 fackin seasons

Its nothing like Hargreaves at all ffs

When fit... Fit enough to be in a matchday squad... More often than not Keita doesn't start... So far

Coming back from fitness is absolutely a thing... But he was coming back from fitness all October and November and barely got a minute from the bench in the premier league... He's just not made the impact you hoped

posted on 17/5/20

Liverpool's signing of Andy Carroll has to be up there. What Dalglish saw in him is anyone's guess.

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