comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 1 minute ago
If that's not comparable to Hargreaves then I beg for mercy.

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Hargreaves played 25 minutes in 4 fackin seasons

Its nothing like Hargreaves at all ffs

When fit... Fit enough to be in a matchday squad... More often than not Keita doesn't start... So far

Coming back from fitness is absolutely a thing... But he was coming back from fitness all October and November and barely got a minute from the bench in the premier league... He's just not made the impact you hoped
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Looking at the stats as we were advised to do, the comparison is laughable.

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
This is what you said, TOOR:

“Majority of fans who aren't United fans will say Fred has overall been poor. Yes he's been better than woeful this season, yes he has improved but he's poor.”

Sounds to me like you’re saying he’s still poor at the end there.

Nice of you to tell us what the majority of fans think though.

Great work, as usual.
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Nope that's not what I'm saying at all. I don't think he is poor and in fact I have stated several times since United bought him that the player I saw at Shaktar was controlling the game, dribbling past players and shooting from range. Last season he was awful and he has been better this season but still not close to the player I saw at Shakhtar. Overall his time at United has been poor. I expect him to improve still but we're talking about so far.
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Fred was atrocious in his first season... I'd have gladly binned him last summer

But he's been good this season... In big games he's often been our best player... The city and chelsea games in particular

He's not been poor overall... One bad, one good.

If he could shoot he'd be awesome

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
This is what you said, TOOR:

“Majority of fans who aren't United fans will say Fred has overall been poor. Yes he's been better than woeful this season, yes he has improved but he's poor.”

Sounds to me like you’re saying he’s still poor at the end there.

Nice of you to tell us what the majority of fans think though.

Great work, as usual.
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Nope that's not what I'm saying at all. I don't think he is poor and in fact I have stated several times since United bought him that the player I saw at Shaktar was controlling the game, dribbling past players and shooting from range. Last season he was awful and he has been better this season but still not close to the player I saw at Shakhtar. Overall his time at United has been poor. I expect him to improve still but we're talking about so far.
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So the words you wrote are not what you think, glad we cleared that up.

He’s been very good for us this season and he’s got better as it’s gone on.

You may disagree but as Process pointed out, that doesn’t mean much to be honest.
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No, the words I wrote are exactly what I think. I'm just not going to let you create your own meaning for them so you can argue with yourself.

I'm sticking to my words and not the ones you have created. If you don't mind.

Thanks.

When fit... Fit enough to be in a matchday squad... More often than not Keita doesn't start... So far
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Of course. Players don't often start games when coning back from injury. The stats I posted explain this clearly IMO. Take it from a Liverpool fan, if Keita stays fit for a good while, Klopp gives him starts.

We also have Hendo, Milner, Wij, Fabinho so why would an injured player or a player coming back from injury get 90 minutes?

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 1 minute ago
If that's not comparable to Hargreaves then I beg for mercy.

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Hargreaves played 25 minutes in 4 fackin seasons

Its nothing like Hargreaves at all ffs

When fit... Fit enough to be in a matchday squad... More often than not Keita doesn't start... So far

Coming back from fitness is absolutely a thing... But he was coming back from fitness all October and November and barely got a minute from the bench in the premier league... He's just not made the impact you hoped
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Looking at the stats as we were advised to do, the comparison is laughable.
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Standard stuff tho... Everything Liverpool good... Everything everyone else bad

Your words, TOOR, finish with ‘but he’s poor’.

And yet you don’t think he’s been poor this season and nor do you think he’s a poor player?

Riddle me this...

comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 1 minute ago
If that's not comparable to Hargreaves then I beg for mercy.

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Hargreaves played 25 minutes in 4 fackin seasons

Its nothing like Hargreaves at all ffs

When fit... Fit enough to be in a matchday squad... More often than not Keita doesn't start... So far

Coming back from fitness is absolutely a thing... But he was coming back from fitness all October and November and barely got a minute from the bench in the premier league... He's just not made the impact you hoped
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Looking at the stats as we were advised to do, the comparison is laughable.
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Standard stuff tho... Everything Liverpool good... Everything everyone else bad


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Too true, particularly from these two.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
Your words, TOOR, finish with ‘but he’s poor’.

And yet you don’t think he’s been poor this season and nor do you think he’s a poor player?

Riddle me this...


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Poor overall, I explained this in the post.

comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 12 seconds ago
When fit... Fit enough to be in a matchday squad... More often than not Keita doesn't start... So far
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Of course. Players don't often start games when coning back from injury. The stats I posted explain this clearly IMO. Take it from a Liverpool fan, if Keita stays fit for a good while, Klopp gives him starts.

We also have Hendo, Milner, Wij, Fabinho so why would an injured player or a player coming back from injury get 90 minutes?
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He barely got a kick... I'm not saying 90 minutes... Those 2 months... 2 sub appearances in the last 10 minutes in the league

If he was as good as you desperately want him to be... Surely you make more of an effort to get him match fit with a few more appearances off the bench

He's made little or no impact for the money

Doggy doggy what now?

<backsawayslowlyfromcuckooland>

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
Your words, TOOR, finish with ‘but he’s poor’.

And yet you don’t think he’s been poor this season and nor do you think he’s a poor player?

Riddle me this...


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Poor overall, I explained this in the post.
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You said that as well, but that had nothing to do with what you wrote at the end.

But it’s fine, if you don’t think that then it just boils down to a very, very poorly worded post.

comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 12 seconds ago
When fit... Fit enough to be in a matchday squad... More often than not Keita doesn't start... So far
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Of course. Players don't often start games when coning back from injury. The stats I posted explain this clearly IMO. Take it from a Liverpool fan, if Keita stays fit for a good while, Klopp gives him starts.

We also have Hendo, Milner, Wij, Fabinho so why would an injured player or a player coming back from injury get 90 minutes?
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He barely got a kick... I'm not saying 90 minutes... Those 2 months... 2 sub appearances in the last 10 minutes in the league

If he was as good as you desperately want him to be... Surely you make more of an effort to get him match fit with a few more appearances off the bench

He's made little or no impact for the money
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But take it from a Liverpool fan...

Or let’s look at the actual evidence.

comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 1 minute ago
Doggy doggy what now?

<backsawayslowlyfromcuckooland>
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comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 12 seconds ago
When fit... Fit enough to be in a matchday squad... More often than not Keita doesn't start... So far
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Of course. Players don't often start games when coning back from injury. The stats I posted explain this clearly IMO. Take it from a Liverpool fan, if Keita stays fit for a good while, Klopp gives him starts.

We also have Hendo, Milner, Wij, Fabinho so why would an injured player or a player coming back from injury get 90 minutes?
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He barely got a kick... I'm not saying 90 minutes... Those 2 months... 2 sub appearances in the last 10 minutes in the league

If he was as good as you desperately want him to be... Surely you make more of an effort to get him match fit with a few more appearances off the bench

He's made little or no impact for the money
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He has made an impact when he has played, he's played well. Overall, I think he deserves to be in the list as he's been injured too often and always seems to be coming back from injury, playing well, ups his level then gets injured again.

In regards to getting him back to fitness that's exactly what they've been trying to do, taking into account he has been getting injured when he has come back from injury. When this happens you take it slower.

I'm hoping this break has been good for him.

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 12 seconds ago
When fit... Fit enough to be in a matchday squad... More often than not Keita doesn't start... So far
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Of course. Players don't often start games when coning back from injury. The stats I posted explain this clearly IMO. Take it from a Liverpool fan, if Keita stays fit for a good while, Klopp gives him starts.

We also have Hendo, Milner, Wij, Fabinho so why would an injured player or a player coming back from injury get 90 minutes?
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He barely got a kick... I'm not saying 90 minutes... Those 2 months... 2 sub appearances in the last 10 minutes in the league

If he was as good as you desperately want him to be... Surely you make more of an effort to get him match fit with a few more appearances off the bench

He's made little or no impact for the money
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He has made an impact when he has played, he's played well. Overall, I think he deserves to be in the list as he's been injured too often and always seems to be coming back from injury, playing well, ups his level then gets injured again.

In regards to getting him back to fitness that's exactly what they've been trying to do, taking into account he has been getting injured when he has come back from injury. When this happens you take it slower.

I'm hoping this break has been good for him.
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I'm surprised he's struggling tbh... German league is similar intensity... And did he not have a rep as a physical player over there? Seem to recall he liked a yellow card... Thought he'd cope

Next year will be make or break, you'll bin him if it continues like this

my definition of a big money flop is someone you will happily sell for a fraction of waht you paid for him. None of the players listed by op are flops imo.

A player not fulfilling their lofty potential does not make them a flop.

Too soon to be labelling Keita a flop, for sure.

Not too soon to laugh at comparisons with Hargreaves though.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 33 seconds ago
Too soon to be labelling Keita a flop, for sure.

Not too soon to laugh at comparisons with Hargreaves though.
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Unreal.... And his insistence on how valid it is

A couple of muscle problems = 4 seasons out with a crippled knee

Shugs
Hargreaves played 25 minutes in 4 fackin seasons
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For whom? You said we should look at the evidence when you can't even read.

Did I compare him to Hargreaves at United only? Go back and read my post again mate.

comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 33 seconds ago
Too soon to be labelling Keita a flop, for sure.

Not too soon to laugh at comparisons with Hargreaves though.
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Unreal.... And his insistence on how valid it is

A couple of muscle problems = 4 seasons out with a crippled knee
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He’ll double down now. Absolutely no chance he’ll admit he’s wrong.

Will just turn it into an argument instead I expect.

comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 minutes ago
Shugs
Hargreaves played 25 minutes in 4 fackin seasons
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For whom? You said we should look at the evidence when you can't even read.

Did I compare him to Hargreaves at United only? Go back and read my post again mate.
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A goalpost shift?

Oh.... You mean that you only meant when he was in Munich?

I've proved Keita is limited by injuries and performs and gets starts when fit for prolonged periods.

Now that the Hargreaves shenanigans has been shut down, I question why didn't anyone take this much issue with Lacazette, who I said a similar thing about?

This proves I'm neutral and honest whereas some on here are focussing and frothing that I dared to defend a Liverpool player. Its clear to see who is biased by club allegiances here.

comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 minutes ago
Shugs
Hargreaves played 25 minutes in 4 fackin seasons
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For whom? You said we should look at the evidence when you can't even read.

Did I compare him to Hargreaves at United only? Go back and read my post again mate.
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A goalpost shift?

Oh.... You mean that you only meant when he was in Munich?




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comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 minutes ago
Shugs
Hargreaves played 25 minutes in 4 fackin seasons
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For whom? You said we should look at the evidence when you can't even read.

Did I compare him to Hargreaves at United only? Go back and read my post again mate.
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A goalpost shift?

Oh.... You mean that you only meant when he was in Munich?


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It's not my fault you didn't take the time to read properly, happens to everyone at one time or another. Even the evidence you posted was erroneous and rushed.

comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 5 minutes ago
I've proved Keita is limited by injuries and performs and gets starts when fit for prolonged periods.

Now that the Hargreaves shenanigans has been shut down, I question why didn't anyone take this much issue with Lacazette, who I said a similar thing about?

This proves I'm neutral and honest whereas some on here are focussing and frothing that I dared to defend a Liverpool player. Its clear to see who is biased by club allegiances here.
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They're not shut down... You made a stupid comparison and got called out

You're now spinning... But whatever

What was the lacazette comment?

I actually like him... Thought he'd be a better fit for us than arsenal at the time