comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
Well thanks Jenius, as a business owner it's always nice when someone helps me understand basic business principles.
May I politely suggest that you haven't stopped and considered my point that this situation is somewhat different to the norm.
This is nothing to do with a sector collapsing or changing consumer demand. This is a global pandemic that should, in principle, cease to become a problem within a certain period of time - after which, many affected businesses might reasonably expect to return to pre-COVID trading.
That is very different and opens up the option of protecting staff in that interim period.
I understand you don't agree and that's fine, but making out that I disagree because I don't understand business principles is ridiculous.
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I was never suggesting you don't understand basic business principles only that companies don't need to use covid as excuse which you implied they were doing without an iota of proof. In my experience internal metrics of most business dictates what they do. Not how it looks in the media. That's what I meant by intrabusiness as opposed to what an outsider can see. This information is highly guarded. It can adversely affect the share price or in Arsenal' s case how they negotiate deals. I am sorry if you took it as a personal attack. It was never meant to be. I just don't discuss that way.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 12 seconds ago
That's your choice and well done to you, but a football club isn't the same a regular business that doesn't have millions of fans to answer to and where the goal is on field sucess and not just profit.
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Disagree with this. Businesses have millions of customers, which is essentially all that fans are from a corporate point of view.
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Completely different imo, customers aren't fans of a business in the same way a football fan supports a club. If a company goes under they'll take their business somewhere else, they're not going to be upset or angry if they don't meet profit targets.
2. The idea that 55 staff at Arsenal are the difference between success and failure on the pitch, and would be considered that way by fans, is a bit far fetched imo.
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It may not be but why should Arsenal keep people on if they are redundant?
Because of how it would look?
We are probably making cost cutting measures in lots of different areas and redundancies is one part of it but it all adds up.
Jenius99 (U4918)
No worries mate, reading back I was wrong to take it that way
I do have proof of companies using COVID although I can't share it on here.
Some planning to sack staff and then re-hire them when things pick up.
Others were trying to get family members on the payroll and increase salaries before furlough so that they could could claim more from the government.
Some have blatantly claimed for furlough without telling the staff member, who has carried on working.
If you think that we should take the position that all businesses are responsible unless given conclusive proof otherwise then I'm afraid we will never agree.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 12 seconds ago
That's your choice and well done to you, but a football club isn't the same a regular business that doesn't have millions of fans to answer to and where the goal is on field sucess and not just profit.
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Disagree with this. Businesses have millions of customers, which is essentially all that fans are from a corporate point of view.
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Completely different imo, customers aren't fans of a business in the same way a football fan supports a club. If a company goes under they'll take their business somewhere else, they're not going to be upset or angry if they don't meet profit targets.
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Indeed fans are stakeholders in football clubs.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
2. The idea that 55 staff at Arsenal are the difference between success and failure on the pitch, and would be considered that way by fans, is a bit far fetched imo.
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It may not be but why should Arsenal keep people on if they are redundant?
Because of how it would look?
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No, because we're in a global pandemic and it's the right thing to do.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
2. The idea that 55 staff at Arsenal are the difference between success and failure on the pitch, and would be considered that way by fans, is a bit far fetched imo.
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It may not be but why should Arsenal keep people on if they are redundant?
Because of how it would look?
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No, because we're in a global pandemic and it's the right thing to do.
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Surely the right thing to do is tell the truth? Help those in junior positions find work elsewhere and protect those who will be continued to be employed at Arsenal.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
2. The idea that 55 staff at Arsenal are the difference between success and failure on the pitch, and would be considered that way by fans, is a bit far fetched imo.
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It may not be but why should Arsenal keep people on if they are redundant?
Because of how it would look?
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No, because we're in a global pandemic and it's the right thing to do.
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Surely the right thing to do is tell the truth? Help those in junior positions find work elsewhere and protect those who will be continued to be employed at Arsenal.
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But if they're losing the job because of COVID then there's every chance that job will be needed again soon.
I fully accept it's a matter of opinion.
My business fell of a cliff in March. For three months work dried up and many staff weren't needed.
Do I make them redundant because of that?
These people have mortgages, families with children... I'm absolutely clear in my mind that I've done the right thing.
If you think that we should take the position that all businesses are responsible unless given conclusive proof otherwise then I'm afraid we will never agree.
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I am not naive. I have seen plenty of bad businesses. Improving poor business practise is half my job.
However we are talking of Arsenal in this thread and how people have without thought jumped on Arsenal being one of these without any consideration of the facts.
If the staff weren't need you could have put them on furlough instead of paying them yourself?
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you think that we should take the position that all businesses are responsible unless given conclusive proof otherwise then I'm afraid we will never agree.
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I am not naive. I have seen plenty of bad businesses. Improving poor business practise is half my job.
However we are talking of Arsenal in this thread and how people have without thought jumped on Arsenal being one of these without any consideration of the facts.
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Yes but the conversation had somewhat moved onto a more broad point... or at least I thought it had!
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
If the staff weren't need you could have put them on furlough instead of paying them yourself?
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I did - not all, but some.
And I topped up their pay to 100%... and now the furlough scheme is reducing, so it's not quite as straightforward as that.
But the furlough scheme doesn't cover all costs associated with staff.
Unquestionably I'd have saved money if I'd made a few of them redundant.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
2. The idea that 55 staff at Arsenal are the difference between success and failure on the pitch, and would be considered that way by fans, is a bit far fetched imo.
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It may not be but why should Arsenal keep people on if they are redundant?
Because of how it would look?
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No, because we're in a global pandemic and it's the right thing to do.
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Surely the right thing to do is tell the truth? Help those in junior positions find work elsewhere and protect those who will be continued to be employed at Arsenal.
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But if they're losing the job because of COVID then there's every chance that job will be needed again soon.
I fully accept it's a matter of opinion.
My business fell of a cliff in March. For three months work dried up and many staff weren't needed.
Do I make them redundant because of that?
These people have mortgages, families with children... I'm absolutely clear in my mind that I've done the right thing.
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Absolutely those people have mortgages, debt, costs etc. And they always will. Unfortunately when do you fire them? There is never a good time because as I mentioned earlier in this thread it's not something that any business takes on easily.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 12 seconds ago
That's your choice and well done to you, but a football club isn't the same a regular business that doesn't have millions of fans to answer to and where the goal is on field sucess and not just profit.
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Disagree with this. Businesses have millions of customers, which is essentially all that fans are from a corporate point of view.
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Completely different imo, customers aren't fans of a business in the same way a football fan supports a club. If a company goes under they'll take their business somewhere else, they're not going to be upset or angry if they don't meet profit targets.
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No, but that is purely the emotional attachment in the part of the fan. From the clubs perspective they are customers who are so attached to brand loyalty that they are effectively a captive audience. Similar does happen in other industries such as video game consoles (actually I do wonder how much of it relates to things people got emotionally invested in as a child/teenager?)
Can you imagine how ridiculous it would sound for people to get into fights and arguments because one shops at tesco and think it is the best and the other shops a Morrison and thinks its the best.
Jenius99 (U4918)
I think it's when I know more about the future or when it becomes unviable.
Can you imagine how ridiculous it would sound for people to get into fights and arguments because one shops at tesco and think it is the best and the other shops a Morrison and thinks its the best.
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That's exactly why football is different though, because you have that emotional attachment and loyalty to a club that you don't get with a regular business. You do to some extent with brands like Apple but their fans aren't going to get mad if they make a loss one year the way a football fan will be mad if their club has a bad season.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can you imagine how ridiculous it would sound for people to get into fights and arguments because one shops at tesco and think it is the best and the other shops a Morrison and thinks its the best.
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That's exactly why football is different though, because you have that emotional attachment and loyalty to a club that you don't get with a regular business. You do to some extent with brands like Apple but their fans aren't going to get mad if they make a loss one year the way a football fan will be mad if their club has a bad season.
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Comparing different things. Apple fans won't care if Apple makes a loss, but generally football fans don't care if their club makes a loss (unless it is so severe it is actually a risk). If Apple produce a bad product or service their fans will be very annoyed, like if a football team produces a bad performance.
As I said, it is definitely a thing that happens with soort but that doesn't mean the fans are any different to the clubs than consumers are to a business.
For a business like Apple though the goal is profit whereas for a football club it's success.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 minutes ago
Jenius99 (U4918)
I think it's when I know more about the future or when it becomes unviable.
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Indeed and our entire discussion is that the redundancies are only because of covid. Information has been released since then that suggests this is not true. Sven Mislintat our previous chief scout suggested he first wanted the changes last year. But our dof said no because sven was being replaced by Edu. Now it seems that Edu feels the same so restructuring is taking place. This has been coming but Covid has excipated the situation .
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 29 minutes ago
For a business like Apple though the goal is profit whereas for a football club it's success.
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They are the same thing. Successful companies are profitable, as are successful football clubs.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 minutes ago
Jenius99 (U4918)
I think it's when I know more about the future or when it becomes unviable.
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Indeed and our entire discussion is that the redundancies are only because of covid. Information has been released since then that suggests this is not true. Sven Mislintat our previous chief scout suggested he first wanted the changes last year. But our dof said no because sven was being replaced by Edu. Now it seems that Edu feels the same so restructuring is taking place. This has been coming but Covid has excipated the situation .
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Yes, but Arsenal have been very clear that this is a result of COVID, so we have to judge them based on that.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 minutes ago
Jenius99 (U4918)
I think it's when I know more about the future or when it becomes unviable.
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Indeed and our entire discussion is that the redundancies are only because of covid. Information has been released since then that suggests this is not true. Sven Mislintat our previous chief scout suggested he first wanted the changes last year. But our dof said no because sven was being replaced by Edu. Now it seems that Edu feels the same so restructuring is taking place. This has been coming but Covid has excipated the situation .
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Yes, but Arsenal have been very clear that this is a result of COVID, so we have to judge them based on that.
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Clever? Its been nothing but bad press.
Why is anybody defending billionaires doing all they can to keep every bit of the cash they've already got. At the expense of 1000s of normal income people?
Instead of focusing on the BS excuses big business is teaming with over this. Why are people not focused on all the money these men and women actually personally have? Because it could save an awful lot of jobs and lives. Stop letting them con you into believing it has to be this way.
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posted on 10/8/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
Well thanks Jenius, as a business owner it's always nice when someone helps me understand basic business principles.
May I politely suggest that you haven't stopped and considered my point that this situation is somewhat different to the norm.
This is nothing to do with a sector collapsing or changing consumer demand. This is a global pandemic that should, in principle, cease to become a problem within a certain period of time - after which, many affected businesses might reasonably expect to return to pre-COVID trading.
That is very different and opens up the option of protecting staff in that interim period.
I understand you don't agree and that's fine, but making out that I disagree because I don't understand business principles is ridiculous.
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I was never suggesting you don't understand basic business principles only that companies don't need to use covid as excuse which you implied they were doing without an iota of proof. In my experience internal metrics of most business dictates what they do. Not how it looks in the media. That's what I meant by intrabusiness as opposed to what an outsider can see. This information is highly guarded. It can adversely affect the share price or in Arsenal' s case how they negotiate deals. I am sorry if you took it as a personal attack. It was never meant to be. I just don't discuss that way.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 12 seconds ago
That's your choice and well done to you, but a football club isn't the same a regular business that doesn't have millions of fans to answer to and where the goal is on field sucess and not just profit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Disagree with this. Businesses have millions of customers, which is essentially all that fans are from a corporate point of view.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Completely different imo, customers aren't fans of a business in the same way a football fan supports a club. If a company goes under they'll take their business somewhere else, they're not going to be upset or angry if they don't meet profit targets.
posted on 10/8/20
2. The idea that 55 staff at Arsenal are the difference between success and failure on the pitch, and would be considered that way by fans, is a bit far fetched imo.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It may not be but why should Arsenal keep people on if they are redundant?
Because of how it would look?
posted on 10/8/20
We are probably making cost cutting measures in lots of different areas and redundancies is one part of it but it all adds up.
posted on 10/8/20
Jenius99 (U4918)
No worries mate, reading back I was wrong to take it that way
I do have proof of companies using COVID although I can't share it on here.
Some planning to sack staff and then re-hire them when things pick up.
Others were trying to get family members on the payroll and increase salaries before furlough so that they could could claim more from the government.
Some have blatantly claimed for furlough without telling the staff member, who has carried on working.
If you think that we should take the position that all businesses are responsible unless given conclusive proof otherwise then I'm afraid we will never agree.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 12 seconds ago
That's your choice and well done to you, but a football club isn't the same a regular business that doesn't have millions of fans to answer to and where the goal is on field sucess and not just profit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Disagree with this. Businesses have millions of customers, which is essentially all that fans are from a corporate point of view.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Completely different imo, customers aren't fans of a business in the same way a football fan supports a club. If a company goes under they'll take their business somewhere else, they're not going to be upset or angry if they don't meet profit targets.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed fans are stakeholders in football clubs.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
2. The idea that 55 staff at Arsenal are the difference between success and failure on the pitch, and would be considered that way by fans, is a bit far fetched imo.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It may not be but why should Arsenal keep people on if they are redundant?
Because of how it would look?
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No, because we're in a global pandemic and it's the right thing to do.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
2. The idea that 55 staff at Arsenal are the difference between success and failure on the pitch, and would be considered that way by fans, is a bit far fetched imo.
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It may not be but why should Arsenal keep people on if they are redundant?
Because of how it would look?
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No, because we're in a global pandemic and it's the right thing to do.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Surely the right thing to do is tell the truth? Help those in junior positions find work elsewhere and protect those who will be continued to be employed at Arsenal.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
2. The idea that 55 staff at Arsenal are the difference between success and failure on the pitch, and would be considered that way by fans, is a bit far fetched imo.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It may not be but why should Arsenal keep people on if they are redundant?
Because of how it would look?
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No, because we're in a global pandemic and it's the right thing to do.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Surely the right thing to do is tell the truth? Help those in junior positions find work elsewhere and protect those who will be continued to be employed at Arsenal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But if they're losing the job because of COVID then there's every chance that job will be needed again soon.
I fully accept it's a matter of opinion.
My business fell of a cliff in March. For three months work dried up and many staff weren't needed.
Do I make them redundant because of that?
These people have mortgages, families with children... I'm absolutely clear in my mind that I've done the right thing.
posted on 10/8/20
If you think that we should take the position that all businesses are responsible unless given conclusive proof otherwise then I'm afraid we will never agree.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am not naive. I have seen plenty of bad businesses. Improving poor business practise is half my job.
However we are talking of Arsenal in this thread and how people have without thought jumped on Arsenal being one of these without any consideration of the facts.
posted on 10/8/20
If the staff weren't need you could have put them on furlough instead of paying them yourself?
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you think that we should take the position that all businesses are responsible unless given conclusive proof otherwise then I'm afraid we will never agree.
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I am not naive. I have seen plenty of bad businesses. Improving poor business practise is half my job.
However we are talking of Arsenal in this thread and how people have without thought jumped on Arsenal being one of these without any consideration of the facts.
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Yes but the conversation had somewhat moved onto a more broad point... or at least I thought it had!
posted on 10/8/20
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
If the staff weren't need you could have put them on furlough instead of paying them yourself?
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I did - not all, but some.
And I topped up their pay to 100%... and now the furlough scheme is reducing, so it's not quite as straightforward as that.
But the furlough scheme doesn't cover all costs associated with staff.
Unquestionably I'd have saved money if I'd made a few of them redundant.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
2. The idea that 55 staff at Arsenal are the difference between success and failure on the pitch, and would be considered that way by fans, is a bit far fetched imo.
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It may not be but why should Arsenal keep people on if they are redundant?
Because of how it would look?
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No, because we're in a global pandemic and it's the right thing to do.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Surely the right thing to do is tell the truth? Help those in junior positions find work elsewhere and protect those who will be continued to be employed at Arsenal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But if they're losing the job because of COVID then there's every chance that job will be needed again soon.
I fully accept it's a matter of opinion.
My business fell of a cliff in March. For three months work dried up and many staff weren't needed.
Do I make them redundant because of that?
These people have mortgages, families with children... I'm absolutely clear in my mind that I've done the right thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely those people have mortgages, debt, costs etc. And they always will. Unfortunately when do you fire them? There is never a good time because as I mentioned earlier in this thread it's not something that any business takes on easily.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 12 seconds ago
That's your choice and well done to you, but a football club isn't the same a regular business that doesn't have millions of fans to answer to and where the goal is on field sucess and not just profit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Disagree with this. Businesses have millions of customers, which is essentially all that fans are from a corporate point of view.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Completely different imo, customers aren't fans of a business in the same way a football fan supports a club. If a company goes under they'll take their business somewhere else, they're not going to be upset or angry if they don't meet profit targets.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, but that is purely the emotional attachment in the part of the fan. From the clubs perspective they are customers who are so attached to brand loyalty that they are effectively a captive audience. Similar does happen in other industries such as video game consoles (actually I do wonder how much of it relates to things people got emotionally invested in as a child/teenager?)
Can you imagine how ridiculous it would sound for people to get into fights and arguments because one shops at tesco and think it is the best and the other shops a Morrison and thinks its the best.
posted on 10/8/20
Jenius99 (U4918)
I think it's when I know more about the future or when it becomes unviable.
posted on 10/8/20
Can you imagine how ridiculous it would sound for people to get into fights and arguments because one shops at tesco and think it is the best and the other shops a Morrison and thinks its the best.
------
That's exactly why football is different though, because you have that emotional attachment and loyalty to a club that you don't get with a regular business. You do to some extent with brands like Apple but their fans aren't going to get mad if they make a loss one year the way a football fan will be mad if their club has a bad season.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can you imagine how ridiculous it would sound for people to get into fights and arguments because one shops at tesco and think it is the best and the other shops a Morrison and thinks its the best.
------
That's exactly why football is different though, because you have that emotional attachment and loyalty to a club that you don't get with a regular business. You do to some extent with brands like Apple but their fans aren't going to get mad if they make a loss one year the way a football fan will be mad if their club has a bad season.
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Comparing different things. Apple fans won't care if Apple makes a loss, but generally football fans don't care if their club makes a loss (unless it is so severe it is actually a risk). If Apple produce a bad product or service their fans will be very annoyed, like if a football team produces a bad performance.
As I said, it is definitely a thing that happens with soort but that doesn't mean the fans are any different to the clubs than consumers are to a business.
posted on 10/8/20
For a business like Apple though the goal is profit whereas for a football club it's success.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 minutes ago
Jenius99 (U4918)
I think it's when I know more about the future or when it becomes unviable.
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Indeed and our entire discussion is that the redundancies are only because of covid. Information has been released since then that suggests this is not true. Sven Mislintat our previous chief scout suggested he first wanted the changes last year. But our dof said no because sven was being replaced by Edu. Now it seems that Edu feels the same so restructuring is taking place. This has been coming but Covid has excipated the situation .
posted on 10/8/20
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 29 minutes ago
For a business like Apple though the goal is profit whereas for a football club it's success.
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They are the same thing. Successful companies are profitable, as are successful football clubs.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 minutes ago
Jenius99 (U4918)
I think it's when I know more about the future or when it becomes unviable.
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Indeed and our entire discussion is that the redundancies are only because of covid. Information has been released since then that suggests this is not true. Sven Mislintat our previous chief scout suggested he first wanted the changes last year. But our dof said no because sven was being replaced by Edu. Now it seems that Edu feels the same so restructuring is taking place. This has been coming but Covid has excipated the situation .
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Yes, but Arsenal have been very clear that this is a result of COVID, so we have to judge them based on that.
posted on 10/8/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 minutes ago
Jenius99 (U4918)
I think it's when I know more about the future or when it becomes unviable.
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Indeed and our entire discussion is that the redundancies are only because of covid. Information has been released since then that suggests this is not true. Sven Mislintat our previous chief scout suggested he first wanted the changes last year. But our dof said no because sven was being replaced by Edu. Now it seems that Edu feels the same so restructuring is taking place. This has been coming but Covid has excipated the situation .
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Yes, but Arsenal have been very clear that this is a result of COVID, so we have to judge them based on that.
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Clever? Its been nothing but bad press.
posted on 10/8/20
Where did I say clever?
posted on 10/8/20
Why is anybody defending billionaires doing all they can to keep every bit of the cash they've already got. At the expense of 1000s of normal income people?
Instead of focusing on the BS excuses big business is teaming with over this. Why are people not focused on all the money these men and women actually personally have? Because it could save an awful lot of jobs and lives. Stop letting them con you into believing it has to be this way.
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