I must say ,that I would take Franks judgement on Chelsea, and football management in general,over loudmouths like Imran and a few know-alls on here,who do not have the faintest idea of playing at the highest level and football management.............
but you are entitled to your opinions I suppose !
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Dreadful argument, one which if you truly believed would mean you wouldn't question any decisions made by any football club, which in turn would beg the question why are you on a debate forum? The most experienced people in the world are capable of making the dumbest decisions in the world. Mourinho's poor judgement cost us two generational talents (as a recent example).
The greater sign of leadership isn't blind loyalty and/or optimism, it's when you make decisions your followers don't agree with they back you anyway. I & many others don't see it with Chilwell, but notice how almost no-one is redirecting that frustration back at Lampard? If Chilwell happens to be a poor signing proving the doubters right, all it'll prove is Lampard made a mistake but will remain someone many fans will still trust (unless it becomes a habit of course).
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I think they’re both average.
Either way us and yourselves trying to steal Leicester’s players away is like watching the burglars in Home Alone trying to rob Macaulay Culkin’s house.
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Such a good analogy.
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posted 32 minutes ago
I think they’re both average.
Either way us and yourselves trying to steal Leicester’s players away is like watching the burglars in Home Alone trying to rob Macaulay Culkin’s house.
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The blowtorch to the head is Drinkwater 30mil, 100%
Ferguson is the gratest manager of all time. He made many questionable decisions. Many of those, at the time, were justifiably questioned. Appealing to authority where football is concerned is always a poor argument.
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I must say ,that I would take Franks judgement on Chelsea, and football management in general,over loudmouths like Imran and a few know-alls on here,who do not have the faintest idea of playing at the highest level and football management.............
but you are entitled to your opinions I suppose !
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This is such a shiiite argument
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Seems reasonable to me.
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No because managers are not infallible beings due to their experience. Alan faaacking Pardew knows more about football than any of us but I'm sure we can all sit here and question his decision making despite that.
Pep Guardiola is a football genius and he thought it was smart to play 5 at the back and play defensively against Lyon. Frank Lampard is a premier League legend who thinks 50m for Ben Chilwell is decent business.
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They might not be perfect but I'd take their option over a Joe Soap anyday. Pep has got it right far far far more times than wrong. As for Frank, you are judging him fat too early, in fact your reinforcing my opinion. Cheers.
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Why are you even on a forum if you don't care about what regular people have to say ffs
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I must say ,that I would take Franks judgement on Chelsea, and football management in general,over loudmouths like Imran and a few know-alls on here,who do not have the faintest idea of playing at the highest level and football management.............
but you are entitled to your opinions I suppose !
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This is such a shiiite argument
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Seems reasonable to me.
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No because managers are not infallible beings due to their experience. Alan faaacking Pardew knows more about football than any of us but I'm sure we can all sit here and question his decision making despite that.
Pep Guardiola is a football genius and he thought it was smart to play 5 at the back and play defensively against Lyon. Frank Lampard is a premier League legend who thinks 50m for Ben Chilwell is decent business.
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They might not be perfect but I'd take their option over a Joe Soap anyday. Pep has got it right far far far more times than wrong. As for Frank, you are judging him fat too early, in fact your reinforcing my opinion. Cheers.
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Why are you even on a forum if you don't care about what regular people have to say ffs
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Some actually have something worthwhile to say, like yourself I will chose to pay attention to some and not others I may just use different criterion.
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posted 3 minutes ago
I must say ,that I would take Franks judgement on Chelsea, and football management in general,over loudmouths like Imran and a few know-alls on here,who do not have the faintest idea of playing at the highest level and football management.............
but you are entitled to your opinions I suppose !
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This is such a shiiite argument
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Seems reasonable to me.
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No because managers are not infallible beings due to their experience. Alan faaacking Pardew knows more about football than any of us but I'm sure we can all sit here and question his decision making despite that.
Pep Guardiola is a football genius and he thought it was smart to play 5 at the back and play defensively against Lyon. Frank Lampard is a premier League legend who thinks 50m for Ben Chilwell is decent business.
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Yeah, because Chris from JA606 knows much better!
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comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 3 minutes ago
I must say ,that I would take Franks judgement on Chelsea, and football management in general,over loudmouths like Imran and a few know-alls on here,who do not have the faintest idea of playing at the highest level and football management.............
but you are entitled to your opinions I suppose !
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This is such a shiiite argument
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Seems reasonable to me.
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No because managers are not infallible beings due to their experience. Alan faaacking Pardew knows more about football than any of us but I'm sure we can all sit here and question his decision making despite that.
Pep Guardiola is a football genius and he thought it was smart to play 5 at the back and play defensively against Lyon. Frank Lampard is a premier League legend who thinks 50m for Ben Chilwell is decent business.
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Yeah, because Chris from JA606 knows much better!
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Has a point. 50m for chillwell is daylight robbery If frank wants devote that much of his budget on that then he’s a mug.
There’s better value LBs out there but the Chilwell hate is OTT nowadays, he’s got good qualities and he’s not the finished article yet
Wouldn’t say it’s ott. We are talking about a 50m fee for a really average player..if chillwell had been a payer x who plays for someone like boa vista or Lyon, people would be laughing at the fee, but the quality isn’t really any better..
Don’t think he’s average personally. Think he’s v decent with the potential to be v good. Carries the ball really well, good burst of pace, good passer etc
£50m for a player that can carry a ball is ridiculous. He’s shiiit at defending and can’t cross for shiiiit.
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£50m for a player that can carry a ball is ridiculous. He’s shiiit at defending and can’t cross for shiiiit.
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The point of the article is the manager is being backed, even the OP suggests criticism of buying him but it is great to see our manager being backed. If he ends up being sacked then no one can complain, if he is successful, we will all be happy, well actually no matter how well your doing someone won't be happy. It will be interesting to see how he settles, from some of the posts criticising him he sounds like an Alonso mk 2. As frustrating as he can be sometimes he can also through in a tidy performance now and again.
It was only a year ago Chilwell was the next big thing at left back.
It does seem a bizarre signing considering how poor he has been but if Lampard helps him rediscover his form and fulfil his potential then £50m won’t seem that bad.
The main issue with this CMF covered in one of his responses awhile ago, first & foremost Chilwell's an 'athlete' before being a quality footballer, and in England specifically we've always had a tendency to overrate that (see Luke Shaw). The onus will be on Lampard & co to mold him into something more tangible than that, and while there's evidence to suggest they can 50mil puts an expectation on it happening.
Someone like Pulisic (CMF's example) was always gunna be a decent signing/earn his keep because of the commercial benefits but there's no silver lining with Chilwell, we're paying a price of potential over ability on the judgement of the manager (I'm sure a few others within the club) but few others in the game who aren't just 'know it all' fans. Honestly, IMO, the reaction I've seen to this from Chelsea fans is healthy. There's strong skepticism but hardly anyone's questioning Lampard, just the player, that's a far better outlook than where a significant number of us were under Mourinho (me included) where we accepted everything he did because "it's Jose, he knows best".
But JFDI's point sounds aswell. The point of the article wasn't Chilwell but Lampard, and he deserve the chance to prove he knows what he's doing by pushing for this player
Pulisic' ability (and potential) was never recognised or underlined by the masses (especially amongst our fanbase).
People would rather focus and were fixated on the fact that Sancho benched him, average attacking output prior to joining Chelsea and a large majority were calling him a poor/underwhelming signing (in relation to the transfer fee), that was bought on the basis of being the poster boy in America and solely for commercial benefits.
If I had a pound for every time people poses the question..."Why are we signing a player that Sancho benched, for 60m...?"
I'd be a billionaire.
When one takes into account that foreign LBs have fallen short of required standard to work at Chelsea, starting with Baba Rahman (who was very highly regarded) and ending with Emerson.
I can understand the thinking in not wanting to go down the foreign route again and going back to what has been a successful formula of buying a British LB.
Chilwell is the most suitable British fullback that fits Frank' ideals.
Can't even believe the amount of LBs that the club have gone through in the past 5 years...Filipe Luis (victim of mismanagement by the manager at the time), Baba Rahman, Alonso, Emerson bought within 5 consecutive summer transfer windows.
Let's hope Chilwell performs, to well and truly destroy that trend of buying LB every window.
True but not the point I was making. Hypothetically if CHO had pushed Pulisic to the bench this season as well he'd still have earned his keep just by being the poster boy for one of the largest growing football markets in the world, so there was a built in safe guard there. Factor that with two aging wingers on the books making his access to opportunities long term easier to see, and by comparison to inflation of young attacking players specifically in this football economy (compared to Dembele 100mil for e.g) & financially it staked up even if the impression was we're buying Dortmund's leftovers.
There's also degrees to potential. Many doubted his potential to be a credible replacement for Hazard & his ability in the short term, but I imagine most people knew with the right set of circumstances he could be a very good player - the evidence was there for years. There's patches of that with Chilwell but it's harder to see where his ceiling is because there's more improvement required, so the greater sense of hope he'll come to met expectations relies more on trusting Lampard's judgement than what each fan has seen for themselves.
Let's hope Chilwell performs, to well and truly destroy that trend of buying LB every window.
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posted on 22/8/20
I must say ,that I would take Franks judgement on Chelsea, and football management in general,over loudmouths like Imran and a few know-alls on here,who do not have the faintest idea of playing at the highest level and football management.............
but you are entitled to your opinions I suppose !
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Dreadful argument, one which if you truly believed would mean you wouldn't question any decisions made by any football club, which in turn would beg the question why are you on a debate forum? The most experienced people in the world are capable of making the dumbest decisions in the world. Mourinho's poor judgement cost us two generational talents (as a recent example).
The greater sign of leadership isn't blind loyalty and/or optimism, it's when you make decisions your followers don't agree with they back you anyway. I & many others don't see it with Chilwell, but notice how almost no-one is redirecting that frustration back at Lampard? If Chilwell happens to be a poor signing proving the doubters right, all it'll prove is Lampard made a mistake but will remain someone many fans will still trust (unless it becomes a habit of course).
posted on 22/8/20
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 28 minutes ago
I think they’re both average.
Either way us and yourselves trying to steal Leicester’s players away is like watching the burglars in Home Alone trying to rob Macaulay Culkin’s house.
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Such a good analogy.
posted on 22/8/20
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 32 minutes ago
I think they’re both average.
Either way us and yourselves trying to steal Leicester’s players away is like watching the burglars in Home Alone trying to rob Macaulay Culkin’s house.
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posted on 22/8/20
The blowtorch to the head is Drinkwater 30mil, 100%
posted on 22/8/20
Ferguson is the gratest manager of all time. He made many questionable decisions. Many of those, at the time, were justifiably questioned. Appealing to authority where football is concerned is always a poor argument.
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posted 3 minutes ago
I must say ,that I would take Franks judgement on Chelsea, and football management in general,over loudmouths like Imran and a few know-alls on here,who do not have the faintest idea of playing at the highest level and football management.............
but you are entitled to your opinions I suppose !
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This is such a shiiite argument
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Seems reasonable to me.
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No because managers are not infallible beings due to their experience. Alan faaacking Pardew knows more about football than any of us but I'm sure we can all sit here and question his decision making despite that.
Pep Guardiola is a football genius and he thought it was smart to play 5 at the back and play defensively against Lyon. Frank Lampard is a premier League legend who thinks 50m for Ben Chilwell is decent business.
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They might not be perfect but I'd take their option over a Joe Soap anyday. Pep has got it right far far far more times than wrong. As for Frank, you are judging him fat too early, in fact your reinforcing my opinion. Cheers.
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Why are you even on a forum if you don't care about what regular people have to say ffs
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posted 3 minutes ago
I must say ,that I would take Franks judgement on Chelsea, and football management in general,over loudmouths like Imran and a few know-alls on here,who do not have the faintest idea of playing at the highest level and football management.............
but you are entitled to your opinions I suppose !
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This is such a shiiite argument
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Seems reasonable to me.
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No because managers are not infallible beings due to their experience. Alan faaacking Pardew knows more about football than any of us but I'm sure we can all sit here and question his decision making despite that.
Pep Guardiola is a football genius and he thought it was smart to play 5 at the back and play defensively against Lyon. Frank Lampard is a premier League legend who thinks 50m for Ben Chilwell is decent business.
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They might not be perfect but I'd take their option over a Joe Soap anyday. Pep has got it right far far far more times than wrong. As for Frank, you are judging him fat too early, in fact your reinforcing my opinion. Cheers.
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Why are you even on a forum if you don't care about what regular people have to say ffs
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Some actually have something worthwhile to say, like yourself I will chose to pay attention to some and not others I may just use different criterion.
posted on 23/8/20
comment by Christopher - High Priest of The Church of Ndombele (U20930)
posted 6 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christopher - High Priest of The Church of Ndombele (U20930)
posted 3 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 3 minutes ago
I must say ,that I would take Franks judgement on Chelsea, and football management in general,over loudmouths like Imran and a few know-alls on here,who do not have the faintest idea of playing at the highest level and football management.............
but you are entitled to your opinions I suppose !
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This is such a shiiite argument
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Seems reasonable to me.
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No because managers are not infallible beings due to their experience. Alan faaacking Pardew knows more about football than any of us but I'm sure we can all sit here and question his decision making despite that.
Pep Guardiola is a football genius and he thought it was smart to play 5 at the back and play defensively against Lyon. Frank Lampard is a premier League legend who thinks 50m for Ben Chilwell is decent business.
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Yeah, because Chris from JA606 knows much better!
posted on 23/8/20
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Christopher - High Priest of The Church of Ndombele (U20930)
posted 6 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christopher - High Priest of The Church of Ndombele (U20930)
posted 3 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 3 minutes ago
I must say ,that I would take Franks judgement on Chelsea, and football management in general,over loudmouths like Imran and a few know-alls on here,who do not have the faintest idea of playing at the highest level and football management.............
but you are entitled to your opinions I suppose !
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This is such a shiiite argument
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Seems reasonable to me.
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No because managers are not infallible beings due to their experience. Alan faaacking Pardew knows more about football than any of us but I'm sure we can all sit here and question his decision making despite that.
Pep Guardiola is a football genius and he thought it was smart to play 5 at the back and play defensively against Lyon. Frank Lampard is a premier League legend who thinks 50m for Ben Chilwell is decent business.
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Yeah, because Chris from JA606 knows much better!
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Has a point. 50m for chillwell is daylight robbery If frank wants devote that much of his budget on that then he’s a mug.
posted on 23/8/20
There’s better value LBs out there but the Chilwell hate is OTT nowadays, he’s got good qualities and he’s not the finished article yet
posted on 23/8/20
Wouldn’t say it’s ott. We are talking about a 50m fee for a really average player..if chillwell had been a payer x who plays for someone like boa vista or Lyon, people would be laughing at the fee, but the quality isn’t really any better..
posted on 23/8/20
Don’t think he’s average personally. Think he’s v decent with the potential to be v good. Carries the ball really well, good burst of pace, good passer etc
posted on 23/8/20
£50m for a player that can carry a ball is ridiculous. He’s shiiit at defending and can’t cross for shiiiit.
posted on 23/8/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
£50m for a player that can carry a ball is ridiculous. He’s shiiit at defending and can’t cross for shiiiit.
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The point of the article is the manager is being backed, even the OP suggests criticism of buying him but it is great to see our manager being backed. If he ends up being sacked then no one can complain, if he is successful, we will all be happy, well actually no matter how well your doing someone won't be happy. It will be interesting to see how he settles, from some of the posts criticising him he sounds like an Alonso mk 2. As frustrating as he can be sometimes he can also through in a tidy performance now and again.
posted on 23/8/20
It was only a year ago Chilwell was the next big thing at left back.
It does seem a bizarre signing considering how poor he has been but if Lampard helps him rediscover his form and fulfil his potential then £50m won’t seem that bad.
posted on 23/8/20
The main issue with this CMF covered in one of his responses awhile ago, first & foremost Chilwell's an 'athlete' before being a quality footballer, and in England specifically we've always had a tendency to overrate that (see Luke Shaw). The onus will be on Lampard & co to mold him into something more tangible than that, and while there's evidence to suggest they can 50mil puts an expectation on it happening.
Someone like Pulisic (CMF's example) was always gunna be a decent signing/earn his keep because of the commercial benefits but there's no silver lining with Chilwell, we're paying a price of potential over ability on the judgement of the manager (I'm sure a few others within the club) but few others in the game who aren't just 'know it all' fans. Honestly, IMO, the reaction I've seen to this from Chelsea fans is healthy. There's strong skepticism but hardly anyone's questioning Lampard, just the player, that's a far better outlook than where a significant number of us were under Mourinho (me included) where we accepted everything he did because "it's Jose, he knows best".
But JFDI's point sounds aswell. The point of the article wasn't Chilwell but Lampard, and he deserve the chance to prove he knows what he's doing by pushing for this player
posted on 23/8/20
Pulisic' ability (and potential) was never recognised or underlined by the masses (especially amongst our fanbase).
People would rather focus and were fixated on the fact that Sancho benched him, average attacking output prior to joining Chelsea and a large majority were calling him a poor/underwhelming signing (in relation to the transfer fee), that was bought on the basis of being the poster boy in America and solely for commercial benefits.
posted on 23/8/20
If I had a pound for every time people poses the question..."Why are we signing a player that Sancho benched, for 60m...?"
I'd be a billionaire.
posted on 23/8/20
*posed the question
posted on 23/8/20
When one takes into account that foreign LBs have fallen short of required standard to work at Chelsea, starting with Baba Rahman (who was very highly regarded) and ending with Emerson.
I can understand the thinking in not wanting to go down the foreign route again and going back to what has been a successful formula of buying a British LB.
Chilwell is the most suitable British fullback that fits Frank' ideals.
Can't even believe the amount of LBs that the club have gone through in the past 5 years...Filipe Luis (victim of mismanagement by the manager at the time), Baba Rahman, Alonso, Emerson bought within 5 consecutive summer transfer windows.
Let's hope Chilwell performs, to well and truly destroy that trend of buying LB every window.
posted on 23/8/20
True but not the point I was making. Hypothetically if CHO had pushed Pulisic to the bench this season as well he'd still have earned his keep just by being the poster boy for one of the largest growing football markets in the world, so there was a built in safe guard there. Factor that with two aging wingers on the books making his access to opportunities long term easier to see, and by comparison to inflation of young attacking players specifically in this football economy (compared to Dembele 100mil for e.g) & financially it staked up even if the impression was we're buying Dortmund's leftovers.
There's also degrees to potential. Many doubted his potential to be a credible replacement for Hazard & his ability in the short term, but I imagine most people knew with the right set of circumstances he could be a very good player - the evidence was there for years. There's patches of that with Chilwell but it's harder to see where his ceiling is because there's more improvement required, so the greater sense of hope he'll come to met expectations relies more on trusting Lampard's judgement than what each fan has seen for themselves.
posted on 23/8/20
Let's hope Chilwell performs, to well and truly destroy that trend of buying LB every window.
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Bored of that. Position needs nailing down sooner rather than later.
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