comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
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NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
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Both sides would be obliged to, to protect their respective markets.
How's it going TBAB?
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Both sides would be obliged to, to protect their respective markets.
How's it going TBAB?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just WFH and happy to do so as our DWP building has several positive covid cases in last few weeks..... and easing away from news, politics and social media...a bit, haha.
Too late now, but biggest mistake was calling the binary referendum and now we are split down the middle and angry....and some side will always feel let down in this.
How are you and family coping?
Wwspd.
If you see me going too hard at it here wwspd, just tell me to go away...and I will.
I need a ref or mentor.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Both sides would be obliged to, to protect their respective markets.
How's it going TBAB?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just WFH and happy to do so as our DWP building has several positive covid cases in last few weeks..... and easing away from news, politics and social media...a bit, haha.
Too late now, but biggest mistake was calling the binary referendum and now we are split down the middle and angry....and some side will always feel let down in this.
How are you and family coping?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not too bad. Relative started medication which had side effects comparable to CV19, so we all had to self isolate whilst they were sorting test. Thankfully came back clear.
Much like yourself WFH and plodding along!!
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Both sides would be obliged to, to protect their respective markets.
How's it going TBAB?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just WFH and happy to do so as our DWP building has several positive covid cases in last few weeks..... and easing away from news, politics and social media...a bit, haha.
Too late now, but biggest mistake was calling the binary referendum and now we are split down the middle and angry....and some side will always feel let down in this.
How are you and family coping?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not too bad. Relative started medication which had side effects comparable to CV19, so we all had to self isolate whilst they were sorting test. Thankfully came back clear.
Much like yourself WFH and plodding along!!
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Glad you got the all clear...had to collect daughter from Carrick Grammar yesterday as her mate who she gets lift with was sent home for covid tests....it seems to be rising in Co Antrim and locally.
Do you have return to work option as colleagues went back or now do two days home and three in Belfast?
Our building has 500 punters and too many dirty folk and covid cases...not joking, it's a nightmare.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s the Tories riding roughshod over the GFA, nobody else.
The Democrats in Congress have already called it out and have said if we proceed in violating international law then we can kiss goodbye to a U.K./US trade deal.
Actions have consequences.
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s the Tories riding roughshod over the GFA, nobody else.
The Democrats in Congress have already called it out and have said if we proceed in violating international law then we can kiss goodbye to a U.K./US trade deal.
Actions have consequences.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am not defending the govt in any way here.
Just giving a unionist perspective on the whole topic....many unionists and NI voted to remain 54 to 46%....and unionists too are not pleased at the thought of borders anywhere here or trade checks and charges for business.
We often hear how republicans or Dublin will react, so as the unionist community background poster, I am here to help.
No charge.
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s the Tories riding roughshod over the GFA, nobody else.
The Democrats in Congress have already called it out and have said if we proceed in violating international law then we can kiss goodbye to a U.K./US trade deal.
Actions have consequences.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bladdy American interference in foreign affairs...who do these white imperialists think they are, haha.
worst government in living memory
I imagine Rishi Sunak will be made PM strategically to give them a fighting chance. He's the only one who's reputation has largely remained.
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nah hes a caaant too
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 19 minutes ago
worst government in living memory
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By far. Its worrying that half of the population go along with it blind.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s the Tories riding roughshod over the GFA, nobody else.
The Democrats in Congress have already called it out and have said if we proceed in violating international law then we can kiss goodbye to a U.K./US trade deal.
Actions have consequences.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bladdy American interference in foreign affairs...who do these white imperialists think they are, haha.
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They’re not interfering, they’re commenting on the US/U.K. trade deal and the GFA which they were involved in negotiating.
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 23 minutes ago
worst government in living memory
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Definitely.
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 21 minutes ago
I imagine Rishi Sunak will be made PM strategically to give them a fighting chance. He's the only one who's reputation has largely remained.
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nah hes a caaant too
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Yep ex city banker from a family of billionaires.
Don’t be fooled.
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comment by Zachsda( There’s a bus Neil, quick throw them under it ) (U1850)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 23 minutes ago
worst government in living memory
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Definitely.
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They even agree down the Alzheimer’s club
They’re not a govt they are a group of pirates
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Rangers should be hammered for this.
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s the Tories riding roughshod over the GFA, nobody else.
The Democrats in Congress have already called it out and have said if we proceed in violating international law then we can kiss goodbye to a U.K./US trade deal.
Actions have consequences.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bladdy American interference in foreign affairs...who do these white imperialists think they are, haha.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They’re not interfering, they’re commenting on the US/U.K. trade deal and the GFA which they were involved in negotiating.
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I was messing.
Have you ditched Friday Fred?
Any sanctions should only apply to UK trade with EU members. I’m sure I’m not the only pro EU person to think if it’s going to cost more to trade with Europe now, and we’ve just been given access to the rest of the world, who else out there might want to trade with us? When Tesco rip me off, I go to Asda, or another shop to teach them a lesson. Same applies here. Time to try another shop until the EU get the message.
Of course, the UK should look for new Trade partners. Particularly without the shackles of sanctions. The EU will only force the UK government to seek new Trade partners outside their bloc by doing this. If it doesn’t end in financial disaster and recession in the UK, how long before Germany follows suit? They’re unlikely to want to remain to prop up the whole of Europe as the last remaining power house. Any more fractures could spell the demise of the EU’s sway over trade policy in the West.
I’d prefer the UK to maintain access to the single market, but, do recognise it restricts trade outside the bloc which drives up prices. In the end it won’t prevent the UK trading with the rest of the world. This means other EU members may lose all future Trade with the UK which could hurt the bloc too and make it less likely for us to return to membership in future.
What happens if we [the UK] can’t find suitable Trade Deals elsewhere? Tale between the legs??
The UK aren't really looking to *new* trade partners but have been trying to roll over (grandfather) trade agreements it already had by virtue to EU membership.
The UK were already are signatories to hundreds of international preferential trade arrangements, all over the world. It’s a competency the Commission specialise in, and are world leaders.
https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/negotiations-and-agreements/
It's one of the reasons why trade was hardly ever mentioned during the toxic referendum debate.
So whilst Liz Truss et all can champion new FTAs with the likes of Japan (which will contribute 0.07% to UK GDP over the next ten years or so) they will never offset the loss access to the most advanced and largest free trade area in the planet.
So many flaws in your analysis but just pointed out one thing, take your Tesco-Asda move analysis. It's easy to move shop when you have Asda next to Tesco as an option. However, if Asda is
- 30 mins more drive from your nearest Tesco
- Not open to shop with you yet as you're not their membership
Then you might need to review your position before leaving Tesco. Ideally you want to make sure you have some agreement with Asda on the day you leave Tesco and won't be able to shop there anymore.
How many trade deals do you think UK can achieve from now until Brexit deadline?
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 3 minutes ago
So many flaws in your analysis but just pointed out one thing, take your Tesco-Asda move analysis. It's easy to move shop when you have Asda next to Tesco as an option. However, if Asda is
- 30 mins more drive from your nearest Tesco
- Not open to shop with you yet as you're not their membership
Then you might need to review your position before leaving Tesco. Ideally you want to make sure you have some agreement with Asda on the day you leave Tesco and won't be able to shop there anymore.
How many trade deals do you think UK can achieve from now until Brexit deadline?
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It's akin to one unit of a large shopping complex containing a whole range of shops, and setting up a stall a mile down the road.
You've signed a trade deal with Japan
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 7 minutes ago
You've signed a trade deal with Japan
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Same one we had as part of The EU but worse.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s the Tories riding roughshod over the GFA, nobody else.
The Democrats in Congress have already called it out and have said if we proceed in violating international law then we can kiss goodbye to a U.K./US trade deal.
Actions have consequences.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bladdy American interference in foreign affairs...who do these white imperialists think they are, haha.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They’re not interfering, they’re commenting on the US/U.K. trade deal and the GFA which they were involved in negotiating.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I was messing.
Have you ditched Friday Fred?
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I don’t do it every week. .
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posted on 11/9/20
Rode a cart
posted on 11/9/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Both sides would be obliged to, to protect their respective markets.
How's it going TBAB?
posted on 11/9/20
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Both sides would be obliged to, to protect their respective markets.
How's it going TBAB?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just WFH and happy to do so as our DWP building has several positive covid cases in last few weeks..... and easing away from news, politics and social media...a bit, haha.
Too late now, but biggest mistake was calling the binary referendum and now we are split down the middle and angry....and some side will always feel let down in this.
How are you and family coping?
posted on 11/9/20
Wwspd.
If you see me going too hard at it here wwspd, just tell me to go away...and I will.
I need a ref or mentor.
posted on 11/9/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Both sides would be obliged to, to protect their respective markets.
How's it going TBAB?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just WFH and happy to do so as our DWP building has several positive covid cases in last few weeks..... and easing away from news, politics and social media...a bit, haha.
Too late now, but biggest mistake was calling the binary referendum and now we are split down the middle and angry....and some side will always feel let down in this.
How are you and family coping?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not too bad. Relative started medication which had side effects comparable to CV19, so we all had to self isolate whilst they were sorting test. Thankfully came back clear.
Much like yourself WFH and plodding along!!
posted on 11/9/20
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Both sides would be obliged to, to protect their respective markets.
How's it going TBAB?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just WFH and happy to do so as our DWP building has several positive covid cases in last few weeks..... and easing away from news, politics and social media...a bit, haha.
Too late now, but biggest mistake was calling the binary referendum and now we are split down the middle and angry....and some side will always feel let down in this.
How are you and family coping?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not too bad. Relative started medication which had side effects comparable to CV19, so we all had to self isolate whilst they were sorting test. Thankfully came back clear.
Much like yourself WFH and plodding along!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Glad you got the all clear...had to collect daughter from Carrick Grammar yesterday as her mate who she gets lift with was sent home for covid tests....it seems to be rising in Co Antrim and locally.
Do you have return to work option as colleagues went back or now do two days home and three in Belfast?
Our building has 500 punters and too many dirty folk and covid cases...not joking, it's a nightmare.
posted on 11/9/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s the Tories riding roughshod over the GFA, nobody else.
The Democrats in Congress have already called it out and have said if we proceed in violating international law then we can kiss goodbye to a U.K./US trade deal.
Actions have consequences.
posted on 11/9/20
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
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Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
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It’s the Tories riding roughshod over the GFA, nobody else.
The Democrats in Congress have already called it out and have said if we proceed in violating international law then we can kiss goodbye to a U.K./US trade deal.
Actions have consequences.
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I am not defending the govt in any way here.
Just giving a unionist perspective on the whole topic....many unionists and NI voted to remain 54 to 46%....and unionists too are not pleased at the thought of borders anywhere here or trade checks and charges for business.
We often hear how republicans or Dublin will react, so as the unionist community background poster, I am here to help.
No charge.
posted on 11/9/20
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
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NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
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Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
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It’s the Tories riding roughshod over the GFA, nobody else.
The Democrats in Congress have already called it out and have said if we proceed in violating international law then we can kiss goodbye to a U.K./US trade deal.
Actions have consequences.
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Bladdy American interference in foreign affairs...who do these white imperialists think they are, haha.
posted on 11/9/20
worst government in living memory
posted on 11/9/20
I imagine Rishi Sunak will be made PM strategically to give them a fighting chance. He's the only one who's reputation has largely remained.
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nah hes a caaant too
posted on 11/9/20
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 19 minutes ago
worst government in living memory
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By far. Its worrying that half of the population go along with it blind.
posted on 11/9/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
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NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s the Tories riding roughshod over the GFA, nobody else.
The Democrats in Congress have already called it out and have said if we proceed in violating international law then we can kiss goodbye to a U.K./US trade deal.
Actions have consequences.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bladdy American interference in foreign affairs...who do these white imperialists think they are, haha.
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They’re not interfering, they’re commenting on the US/U.K. trade deal and the GFA which they were involved in negotiating.
posted on 11/9/20
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 23 minutes ago
worst government in living memory
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Definitely.
posted on 11/9/20
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 21 minutes ago
I imagine Rishi Sunak will be made PM strategically to give them a fighting chance. He's the only one who's reputation has largely remained.
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nah hes a caaant too
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Yep ex city banker from a family of billionaires.
Don’t be fooled.
posted on 11/9/20
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posted on 11/9/20
comment by Zachsda( There’s a bus Neil, quick throw them under it ) (U1850)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 23 minutes ago
worst government in living memory
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Definitely.
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They even agree down the Alzheimer’s club
They’re not a govt they are a group of pirates
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Rangers should be hammered for this.
posted on 11/9/20
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
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NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s the Tories riding roughshod over the GFA, nobody else.
The Democrats in Congress have already called it out and have said if we proceed in violating international law then we can kiss goodbye to a U.K./US trade deal.
Actions have consequences.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bladdy American interference in foreign affairs...who do these white imperialists think they are, haha.
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They’re not interfering, they’re commenting on the US/U.K. trade deal and the GFA which they were involved in negotiating.
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I was messing.
Have you ditched Friday Fred?
posted on 11/9/20
Any sanctions should only apply to UK trade with EU members. I’m sure I’m not the only pro EU person to think if it’s going to cost more to trade with Europe now, and we’ve just been given access to the rest of the world, who else out there might want to trade with us? When Tesco rip me off, I go to Asda, or another shop to teach them a lesson. Same applies here. Time to try another shop until the EU get the message.
Of course, the UK should look for new Trade partners. Particularly without the shackles of sanctions. The EU will only force the UK government to seek new Trade partners outside their bloc by doing this. If it doesn’t end in financial disaster and recession in the UK, how long before Germany follows suit? They’re unlikely to want to remain to prop up the whole of Europe as the last remaining power house. Any more fractures could spell the demise of the EU’s sway over trade policy in the West.
I’d prefer the UK to maintain access to the single market, but, do recognise it restricts trade outside the bloc which drives up prices. In the end it won’t prevent the UK trading with the rest of the world. This means other EU members may lose all future Trade with the UK which could hurt the bloc too and make it less likely for us to return to membership in future.
What happens if we [the UK] can’t find suitable Trade Deals elsewhere? Tale between the legs??
posted on 11/9/20
The UK aren't really looking to *new* trade partners but have been trying to roll over (grandfather) trade agreements it already had by virtue to EU membership.
The UK were already are signatories to hundreds of international preferential trade arrangements, all over the world. It’s a competency the Commission specialise in, and are world leaders.
https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/negotiations-and-agreements/
It's one of the reasons why trade was hardly ever mentioned during the toxic referendum debate.
So whilst Liz Truss et all can champion new FTAs with the likes of Japan (which will contribute 0.07% to UK GDP over the next ten years or so) they will never offset the loss access to the most advanced and largest free trade area in the planet.
posted on 11/9/20
So many flaws in your analysis but just pointed out one thing, take your Tesco-Asda move analysis. It's easy to move shop when you have Asda next to Tesco as an option. However, if Asda is
- 30 mins more drive from your nearest Tesco
- Not open to shop with you yet as you're not their membership
Then you might need to review your position before leaving Tesco. Ideally you want to make sure you have some agreement with Asda on the day you leave Tesco and won't be able to shop there anymore.
How many trade deals do you think UK can achieve from now until Brexit deadline?
posted on 11/9/20
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 3 minutes ago
So many flaws in your analysis but just pointed out one thing, take your Tesco-Asda move analysis. It's easy to move shop when you have Asda next to Tesco as an option. However, if Asda is
- 30 mins more drive from your nearest Tesco
- Not open to shop with you yet as you're not their membership
Then you might need to review your position before leaving Tesco. Ideally you want to make sure you have some agreement with Asda on the day you leave Tesco and won't be able to shop there anymore.
How many trade deals do you think UK can achieve from now until Brexit deadline?
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It's akin to one unit of a large shopping complex containing a whole range of shops, and setting up a stall a mile down the road.
posted on 11/9/20
You've signed a trade deal with Japan
posted on 11/9/20
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 7 minutes ago
You've signed a trade deal with Japan
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Same one we had as part of The EU but worse.
posted on 11/9/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 2 minutes ago
Easy to say No deal. But even if we go for it, will we have border between Ireland and NI?
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NI (as per the WA) will still remain in the SM for manufactured goods and agrifoods.
So even in a no deal scenario north south border checks would be nominal (and would look the same as it does now).
But if the internal market bill passes it would result in additional checks at the Irish land border which republican dissidents would only be too happy to exploit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who would carry out those checks?
Unionists are not happy with checks and charges between NI and GB with the present Irish sea border plan, so one side will be annoyed .
..and the GFA seeks to respect both traditions,,so the agreement is being bent either way.
There is no easy solution to this.
Just have to keep our heads.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s the Tories riding roughshod over the GFA, nobody else.
The Democrats in Congress have already called it out and have said if we proceed in violating international law then we can kiss goodbye to a U.K./US trade deal.
Actions have consequences.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bladdy American interference in foreign affairs...who do these white imperialists think they are, haha.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They’re not interfering, they’re commenting on the US/U.K. trade deal and the GFA which they were involved in negotiating.
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I was messing.
Have you ditched Friday Fred?
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I don’t do it every week. .
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