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At least this shows how difficult the managers job is; We all sit and preach how he should do this or that, why is he playing so and so.
But we've probably put twenty teams up here, so if he happens to pick a team that matches one, the other nineteen will all think he's picked wrongly.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
At least this shows how difficult the managers job is; We all sit and preach how he should do this or that, why is he playing so and so.
But we've probably put twenty teams up here, so if he happens to pick a team that matches one, the other nineteen will all think he's picked wrongly.
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Agree in general, but I don't think many of us have Pogba in a two with Matic.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for Dan James then, as you know, I was a champion of his signing as a squad option but he's not kicked on like he should have. He was overplayed IMO and his confidence has gone I think. Hopefully he gets some good matches for Wales under his belt this week as he's looked better in that arena.
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Still plenty of time for him to come good... Young lad who had a tough year off the pitch. He's looked good at times, especially on the left. Glad he didn;t go to Leeds.
It just makes me laugh that the one shining light of RDD's life is James.... Just to fit some strange agenda about woodward.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
At least this shows how difficult the managers job is; We all sit and preach how he should do this or that, why is he playing so and so.
But we've probably put twenty teams up here, so if he happens to pick a team that matches one, the other nineteen will all think he's picked wrongly.
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true. and if you'd asked the same question 4 months ago, when we were in the middle of our run to 3rd, you'd have probably had 95% of the posters on here agreeing on 10 of the 11 positions.
yet here we are, roughly the same players, same manager, and none of the current lot are good enough, all the bench players from last season (including the ones who had us 14 points behind leaicester) have suddenly become our saviours, and if only we dropped one player (lindelof, maguire, pogba) then everything would fall into place.
Highlighted by everyone's excitement about Lindelof being dropped before our 6-1 loss!
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Battling the energy vampires (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
Highlighted by everyone's excitement about Lindelof being dropped before our 6-1 loss!
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this is it...see how much stronger we were in our tackles with bailly in the team? how about our playing out from the back for our 3rd goal...sorry, their 3rd goal?
we are collectively sh!t at the moment, some problems will be temporarily solved if unfit/mentally frazzled players are dropped, but we won't suddenly become title favourites if we bring in fred for pogba, any more than we became free-flowing cavaliers when rooney was sold.
One of the major problems with our defence is that not one of them is blessed with a football brain let alone a defensive one.
Not one of them is able to sense where the danger is or react to it. Shaw and AWB are both incapable of taking a throw in without putting us under pressure.
It is the very basics that we are struggling with at the back. Granted being under constant attack through out our midfield doesn’t help.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Shaw and AWB are both incapable of taking a throw in without putting us under pressure.
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this would be funny if it weren't true.
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
He’s way past it and will be interesting to see the comments when he fails. The funny thing is we never actually wanted him even when he was a free until we became desperate. I’ve seen these desperate signings before. They don’t work and he’s old and injury prone.
His injury record
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/edinson-cavani/verletzungen/spieler/48280
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Missed less than Martial and Rashford.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Shaw and AWB are both incapable of taking a throw in without putting us under pressure.
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this would be funny if it weren't true.
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I think they should take my golf approach to throw ins. If there is a tree inbetween my ball and the green I will aim at the tree and therefore miss it by miles.
Shaw and AWB should just throw the ball at the opposition thus increasing their chances of finding one of their own players.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 28 minutes ago
One of the major problems with our defence is that not one of them is blessed with a football brain let alone a defensive one.
Not one of them is able to sense where the danger is or react to it. Shaw and AWB are both incapable of taking a throw in without putting us under pressure.
It is the very basics that we are struggling with at the back. Granted being under constant attack through out our midfield doesn’t help.
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VC I'm of the opinion that our defenders are not that bad. Quite good in fact. I think the problems, as you highlight in your last sentence, are what's in front and how they operate.
I remember Jose problem with players was tracking back, see martial. And tbf I think this is a huge issue for our defenders. I think our defenders are simply left with too much to do.
An example against tottenham, for one of their goals, was like shaw. He anticipated and ran towards kane, think aurier had the ball on our left. As a defender he made the right choice. However son ran in and scored from the cross. Someone should have picked him up. As his run was from deep should have been a mf.
We complain about AWB making last ditch tackles. But often he has no choice as no one is helping, a winger? So his forward forays will leave him out of position a bit.
Put simply our defenders get no respite and no help
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Battling the energy vampires (U2958)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 minute ago
Dunc - we are in the worst position we have ever been. You are deluded mate and can keep lapping up glazer propaganda all u like
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oh dear oh dear oh dear
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Great stuff
Only way forward is to play 5 at the back. We're going to conceded a minimum of two every game with this 4231.
------------------------DDG-------------
-----Bailly----Maguire/Lindelof----Mengi---
AWB------------------McT-----------------Telles
---------------Bruno----------VDB-----------------
-----------Greenwood----Rashford--------------
Three CBs to cover for each other's 5hiteness. Telles as a proper wing back. Three hardworking CMS, none of this no.10 5hit. Greenwood and Rashford as split strikers who drift wide when needed
----------------------Hendo
Awb-----Bailly-------Mag------Telles
---------McT-----Matic----Beek
------Mason-----Martial----Bruno
A thing of beauty isn't it?
Romero
Bailly maguire shaw
Mct fred
Bruno Pogba dvb
Cavani martial
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 6 minutes ago
Romero
Bailly maguire shaw
Mct fred
Bruno Pogba dvb
Cavani martial
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You want to play Bruno and dvb as wing backs?
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 6 minutes ago
Romero
Bailly maguire shaw
Mct fred
Bruno Pogba dvb
Cavani martial
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You want to play Bruno and dvb as wing backs?
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Not wing backs no. More a flexible role that allows a 5 in mf when needed but also a 5 in attack.
We tend to play more through the middle these days anyway rather than wingers crossing into forwards. These 3 can play through the middle but also go wide.
With the subs we can have things can be changed up if needed
And it fits our better players in.
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 6 minutes ago
Romero
Bailly maguire shaw
Mct fred
Bruno Pogba dvb
Cavani martial
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You want to play Bruno and dvb as wing backs?
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Not wing backs no. More a flexible role that allows a 5 in mf when needed but also a 5 in attack.
We tend to play more through the middle these days anyway rather than wingers crossing into forwards. These 3 can play through the middle but also go wide.
With the subs we can have things can be changed up if needed
And it fits our better players in.
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I'm thinking more defensively what your formation will be. Who fills in to make a back 5 or 4?
HENDERSON
AWB MAGUIRE TUENZEBE
FRED TELLES
McTOMINAY
DVDB FERNANDES
RASHFORD
MARTIAL
Ok so it is a bit experimental, however I do often think with forward play being such a weak point of AWB would he have the athletic ability to convert to a Centre half... if not then Mengi would be my shout there.... cant be any worse I like Fred's work rate and just had to have him in there somewhere.I am aware we have just bought 2 wingers so guessing the formation may not change.. so
Hendo
williams maguire tuenzebe telles
fred
dvdb bruno
Greenwood Martial Rashford
The best football we played this year was prior to lockdown with Fred and mctiminey in midfield. We did get good results with matic and pogba after lockdown but we also scrapped through so many games and let's be honest most of our matches post lockdown were against teams with nothing to play for. We also failed badly and played badly against Seville and chelsea as these 2 in midfield simply do not have the legs for it. In matics defence it's impossible to cover for pogbas laziness. We either need to decide to push pogba forward into Hernandez position or else drop him from the team.
comment by duckster (U21906)
posted 44 seconds ago
The best football we played this year was prior to lockdown with Fred and mctiminey in midfield. We did get good results with matic and pogba after lockdown but we also scrapped through so many games and let's be honest most of our matches post lockdown were against teams with nothing to play for. We also failed badly and played badly against Seville and chelsea as these 2 in midfield simply do not have the legs for it. In matics defence it's impossible to cover for pogbas laziness. We either need to decide to push pogba forward into Hernandez position or else drop him from the team.
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Bang on
-------------------------Henderson------------------------
AWB-----McTominay--------Williams---------Telles
--------------------------Park the van------------------
-------------------Pogba-------Bruno------------------
Greenwood---------Cavani----------Rashford---
because why not?
Pogba. Midfield will be completely over run. I got one am sick if his lack of workrate in defensive positions. How many times did Hernandez chase back past pogba in that first half. Hernandez sprinting back to help the team out. Pogba somewhere between a stroll and a walk
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by duckster (U21906)
posted 44 seconds ago
The best football we played this year was prior to lockdown with Fred and mctiminey in midfield. We did get good results with matic and pogba after lockdown but we also scrapped through so many games and let's be honest most of our matches post lockdown were against teams with nothing to play for. We also failed badly and played badly against Seville and chelsea as these 2 in midfield simply do not have the legs for it. In matics defence it's impossible to cover for pogbas laziness. We either need to decide to push pogba forward into Hernandez position or else drop him from the team.
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Bang on
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it's not bang on, we completely dominated the midfield against sevilla - partly because fernandes actually dropped back to help out in midfield, which he doesn't do religiously - and lost because of inefficiency at both ends. and very odd to cite the chelsea game, which pogba didn't start - fred and matic started, did nothing, and pogba was called upon when we were 2-0 down.
likewise the only game post lockdown we looked liked losing was vs spurs, when fred and mctominay did nothing for 60 minutes, and pogba won us the penalty to get back into the match.
there is a fairly obvious reason why people keep blaming the midfield - ask yourself how many players other teams play in midfield, and how many we play in midfield. and that will tell you why we often seem to be overrun.
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posted on 6/10/20
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posted on 6/10/20
At least this shows how difficult the managers job is; We all sit and preach how he should do this or that, why is he playing so and so.
But we've probably put twenty teams up here, so if he happens to pick a team that matches one, the other nineteen will all think he's picked wrongly.
posted on 6/10/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
At least this shows how difficult the managers job is; We all sit and preach how he should do this or that, why is he playing so and so.
But we've probably put twenty teams up here, so if he happens to pick a team that matches one, the other nineteen will all think he's picked wrongly.
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Agree in general, but I don't think many of us have Pogba in a two with Matic.
posted on 6/10/20
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for Dan James then, as you know, I was a champion of his signing as a squad option but he's not kicked on like he should have. He was overplayed IMO and his confidence has gone I think. Hopefully he gets some good matches for Wales under his belt this week as he's looked better in that arena.
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Still plenty of time for him to come good... Young lad who had a tough year off the pitch. He's looked good at times, especially on the left. Glad he didn;t go to Leeds.
It just makes me laugh that the one shining light of RDD's life is James.... Just to fit some strange agenda about woodward.
posted on 6/10/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
At least this shows how difficult the managers job is; We all sit and preach how he should do this or that, why is he playing so and so.
But we've probably put twenty teams up here, so if he happens to pick a team that matches one, the other nineteen will all think he's picked wrongly.
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true. and if you'd asked the same question 4 months ago, when we were in the middle of our run to 3rd, you'd have probably had 95% of the posters on here agreeing on 10 of the 11 positions.
yet here we are, roughly the same players, same manager, and none of the current lot are good enough, all the bench players from last season (including the ones who had us 14 points behind leaicester) have suddenly become our saviours, and if only we dropped one player (lindelof, maguire, pogba) then everything would fall into place.
posted on 6/10/20
Highlighted by everyone's excitement about Lindelof being dropped before our 6-1 loss!
posted on 6/10/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Battling the energy vampires (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
Highlighted by everyone's excitement about Lindelof being dropped before our 6-1 loss!
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this is it...see how much stronger we were in our tackles with bailly in the team? how about our playing out from the back for our 3rd goal...sorry, their 3rd goal?
we are collectively sh!t at the moment, some problems will be temporarily solved if unfit/mentally frazzled players are dropped, but we won't suddenly become title favourites if we bring in fred for pogba, any more than we became free-flowing cavaliers when rooney was sold.
posted on 6/10/20
One of the major problems with our defence is that not one of them is blessed with a football brain let alone a defensive one.
Not one of them is able to sense where the danger is or react to it. Shaw and AWB are both incapable of taking a throw in without putting us under pressure.
It is the very basics that we are struggling with at the back. Granted being under constant attack through out our midfield doesn’t help.
posted on 6/10/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Shaw and AWB are both incapable of taking a throw in without putting us under pressure.
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this would be funny if it weren't true.
posted on 6/10/20
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
He’s way past it and will be interesting to see the comments when he fails. The funny thing is we never actually wanted him even when he was a free until we became desperate. I’ve seen these desperate signings before. They don’t work and he’s old and injury prone.
His injury record
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/edinson-cavani/verletzungen/spieler/48280
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Missed less than Martial and Rashford.
posted on 6/10/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Shaw and AWB are both incapable of taking a throw in without putting us under pressure.
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this would be funny if it weren't true.
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I think they should take my golf approach to throw ins. If there is a tree inbetween my ball and the green I will aim at the tree and therefore miss it by miles.
Shaw and AWB should just throw the ball at the opposition thus increasing their chances of finding one of their own players.
posted on 6/10/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 28 minutes ago
One of the major problems with our defence is that not one of them is blessed with a football brain let alone a defensive one.
Not one of them is able to sense where the danger is or react to it. Shaw and AWB are both incapable of taking a throw in without putting us under pressure.
It is the very basics that we are struggling with at the back. Granted being under constant attack through out our midfield doesn’t help.
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VC I'm of the opinion that our defenders are not that bad. Quite good in fact. I think the problems, as you highlight in your last sentence, are what's in front and how they operate.
I remember Jose problem with players was tracking back, see martial. And tbf I think this is a huge issue for our defenders. I think our defenders are simply left with too much to do.
An example against tottenham, for one of their goals, was like shaw. He anticipated and ran towards kane, think aurier had the ball on our left. As a defender he made the right choice. However son ran in and scored from the cross. Someone should have picked him up. As his run was from deep should have been a mf.
We complain about AWB making last ditch tackles. But often he has no choice as no one is helping, a winger? So his forward forays will leave him out of position a bit.
Put simply our defenders get no respite and no help
posted on 6/10/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Battling the energy vampires (U2958)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 minute ago
Dunc - we are in the worst position we have ever been. You are deluded mate and can keep lapping up glazer propaganda all u like
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oh dear oh dear oh dear
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Great stuff
posted on 6/10/20
Only way forward is to play 5 at the back. We're going to conceded a minimum of two every game with this 4231.
------------------------DDG-------------
-----Bailly----Maguire/Lindelof----Mengi---
AWB------------------McT-----------------Telles
---------------Bruno----------VDB-----------------
-----------Greenwood----Rashford--------------
Three CBs to cover for each other's 5hiteness. Telles as a proper wing back. Three hardworking CMS, none of this no.10 5hit. Greenwood and Rashford as split strikers who drift wide when needed
posted on 6/10/20
----------------------Hendo
Awb-----Bailly-------Mag------Telles
---------McT-----Matic----Beek
------Mason-----Martial----Bruno
A thing of beauty isn't it?
posted on 6/10/20
Romero
Bailly maguire shaw
Mct fred
Bruno Pogba dvb
Cavani martial
posted on 6/10/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 6 minutes ago
Romero
Bailly maguire shaw
Mct fred
Bruno Pogba dvb
Cavani martial
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You want to play Bruno and dvb as wing backs?
posted on 6/10/20
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 6 minutes ago
Romero
Bailly maguire shaw
Mct fred
Bruno Pogba dvb
Cavani martial
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You want to play Bruno and dvb as wing backs?
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Not wing backs no. More a flexible role that allows a 5 in mf when needed but also a 5 in attack.
We tend to play more through the middle these days anyway rather than wingers crossing into forwards. These 3 can play through the middle but also go wide.
With the subs we can have things can be changed up if needed
And it fits our better players in.
posted on 6/10/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 6 minutes ago
Romero
Bailly maguire shaw
Mct fred
Bruno Pogba dvb
Cavani martial
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You want to play Bruno and dvb as wing backs?
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Not wing backs no. More a flexible role that allows a 5 in mf when needed but also a 5 in attack.
We tend to play more through the middle these days anyway rather than wingers crossing into forwards. These 3 can play through the middle but also go wide.
With the subs we can have things can be changed up if needed
And it fits our better players in.
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I'm thinking more defensively what your formation will be. Who fills in to make a back 5 or 4?
posted on 6/10/20
HENDERSON
AWB MAGUIRE TUENZEBE
FRED TELLES
McTOMINAY
DVDB FERNANDES
RASHFORD
MARTIAL
Ok so it is a bit experimental, however I do often think with forward play being such a weak point of AWB would he have the athletic ability to convert to a Centre half... if not then Mengi would be my shout there.... cant be any worse I like Fred's work rate and just had to have him in there somewhere.I am aware we have just bought 2 wingers so guessing the formation may not change.. so
Hendo
williams maguire tuenzebe telles
fred
dvdb bruno
Greenwood Martial Rashford
posted on 6/10/20
The best football we played this year was prior to lockdown with Fred and mctiminey in midfield. We did get good results with matic and pogba after lockdown but we also scrapped through so many games and let's be honest most of our matches post lockdown were against teams with nothing to play for. We also failed badly and played badly against Seville and chelsea as these 2 in midfield simply do not have the legs for it. In matics defence it's impossible to cover for pogbas laziness. We either need to decide to push pogba forward into Hernandez position or else drop him from the team.
posted on 6/10/20
comment by duckster (U21906)
posted 44 seconds ago
The best football we played this year was prior to lockdown with Fred and mctiminey in midfield. We did get good results with matic and pogba after lockdown but we also scrapped through so many games and let's be honest most of our matches post lockdown were against teams with nothing to play for. We also failed badly and played badly against Seville and chelsea as these 2 in midfield simply do not have the legs for it. In matics defence it's impossible to cover for pogbas laziness. We either need to decide to push pogba forward into Hernandez position or else drop him from the team.
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Bang on
posted on 6/10/20
-------------------------Henderson------------------------
AWB-----McTominay--------Williams---------Telles
--------------------------Park the van------------------
-------------------Pogba-------Bruno------------------
Greenwood---------Cavani----------Rashford---
because why not?
posted on 6/10/20
Pogba. Midfield will be completely over run. I got one am sick if his lack of workrate in defensive positions. How many times did Hernandez chase back past pogba in that first half. Hernandez sprinting back to help the team out. Pogba somewhere between a stroll and a walk
posted on 6/10/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by duckster (U21906)
posted 44 seconds ago
The best football we played this year was prior to lockdown with Fred and mctiminey in midfield. We did get good results with matic and pogba after lockdown but we also scrapped through so many games and let's be honest most of our matches post lockdown were against teams with nothing to play for. We also failed badly and played badly against Seville and chelsea as these 2 in midfield simply do not have the legs for it. In matics defence it's impossible to cover for pogbas laziness. We either need to decide to push pogba forward into Hernandez position or else drop him from the team.
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Bang on
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it's not bang on, we completely dominated the midfield against sevilla - partly because fernandes actually dropped back to help out in midfield, which he doesn't do religiously - and lost because of inefficiency at both ends. and very odd to cite the chelsea game, which pogba didn't start - fred and matic started, did nothing, and pogba was called upon when we were 2-0 down.
likewise the only game post lockdown we looked liked losing was vs spurs, when fred and mctominay did nothing for 60 minutes, and pogba won us the penalty to get back into the match.
there is a fairly obvious reason why people keep blaming the midfield - ask yourself how many players other teams play in midfield, and how many we play in midfield. and that will tell you why we often seem to be overrun.
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