Why not loan a player then Mc Eachran from Chelsea would have fit the bill young like Wilshere eager to learn and impress and could have been on loan till January would have covered Holden's initial injury and beyond.
No your right cause in football manager a club like Bolton would never just let players contracts run out then lose money on them. Selling Cahill could have funded improvements in our team yet we held out for an unrealistic amount and may now get nothing. Not even I am that bad on fm
If we had sold Cahill we could have tried to get Dann to replace him and at least got a new centre back and banked a few million quid as well
No your right cause in football manager a club like Bolton would never just let players contracts run out then lose money on them. Selling Cahill could have funded improvements in our team yet we held out for an unrealistic amount and may now get nothing. Not even I am that bad on fm
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No one offered what WE deemed was acceptable, end of the story as I'm concerned, Gartside and Davies are two very good Businessmen and I trust them to run our club in the right way ....
Wow. This place really lights up when the going gets tough. Definitely starting to feel like the old 606 days.
We'll turn it around, and if not, we'll rely on Norwich, Swansea and er... someone else being worse than us.
So nothing is better than something hhmmmm let me think?? No sorry your wrong that's not good business. I think gartside would have sold. He has previous so finger goes to coyle.
That's not good enough for me though Finlay. Coyle was not employed to hope that teams are worse than him. I want to see us win games not lose them but hope others do as well.
So nothing is better than something hhmmmm let me think?? No sorry your wrong that's not good business. I think gartside would have sold. He has previous so finger goes to coyle.
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Petrov er, your comments tonight have shown that you don't understand how football business works, especially with wages.
Gartside made a decision that I support fully.
Say if we had sold Cahill and brought someone else in who wasn't doing well, you'd be on here complaining about that .....
So nothing is better than something hhmmmm let me think?? No sorry your wrong that's not good business. I think gartside would have sold. He has previous so finger goes to coyle.
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By 'eck, lad.
Got a bee in yer boonet?
Lets say Cahill stays this season, which he is likely to, he can directly affect the money we receive from the final league position,so if we finish high then he will have given us something, as he will have contributed to our high league finish.
That is obviosuly what Garty and Coyle are relying on and they are the men that make the decisions around here, so we are just going to have to trust them
Would you rather we had accepted the £6m bid?
Which was only £2m more than a keeper who was considered surplus to requirements?
Coyle has no say in transfer fees and wages, The Chairman and directors deal with that.
The same way that Coyle has little say on what players we find, the scouts do that and tell them about them.
His job is to control the team, and he would rather have Cahill in the starting 11 rather than Knight and Wheater.
Not really Moses as if we had someone new and they were not doing well they would be playing just like Cahill. Cahill has been poor since the window has closed.
So I don't understand football or business. I will tell my boss that products we have bought we were offered a price that I was not happy with so I have decided to give them away for free cause that is good business. Pretty sure they will disagree with you and tell you that you have no clue about business. In terms of my understanding of football I am unhappy you are. The situation you are ok with and I am not is:-
Bottom of the league
6 wins all year
Drubbings left right and centre
A disasterous day at Wembley
Which one of us gets football??
Holden yes!!! It is better than nothing. Well in fact -£5m as we spent that in him. We are not an academy producing players for other clubs for nothing!
So I don't understand football or business. I will tell my boss that products we have bought we were offered a price that I was not happy with so I have decided to give them away for free cause that is good business. Pretty sure they will disagree with you and tell you that you have no clue about business. In terms of my understanding of football I am unhappy you are. The situation you are ok with and I am not is:-
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Tottenham were still hopeful of a deal unti 8 pm on deadline day, we would have had little time to bring someone in.
I understand business very well, players are not stock, they are more like machinery or equipment that perform for a business, your not going to sell the computers at your work for under the value if you know you might not be able to buy new ones and they are performing well despite the fact they could be worth nothing in under a year as you'd still get the years use out of them. Its called depreciation.
So despite the fact we paid £7.5m in transfer fees and additional payments for his 1st England cap, you would take £1.5m less than we paid for him, even though he has improved considerably since we bought him.
Id rather have him for a full season. We can generate more revenue from other aspects of the game with him than without him. Not far off the £6m region anyway..
Holden he in our team guarantees nothing financially. What is guaranteed is we will get nothing for him now.
Moses if you watched Ssn on deadline day the guy outside city said we had onouha lined up.
Moses if you watched Ssn on deadline day the guy outside city said we had onouha lined up.
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I doubt that was much more than a rumor, even then, is Onouha better than Cahill.
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Holden he in our team guarantees nothing financially. What is guaranteed is we will get nothing for him now.
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How is it guaranteed we will get nothing for him? he may yet go in January or sign a new contract, doubtful I know but weirder things have happened .....
He cannot sign a contract with any other club until May. So we have until then to convince him to sign a new deal. He can talk to other clubs though.
If not, im sure their will be injuries from now till Jan, which will maybe see clubs trying to buy him anyway. Clubs like Spurs and Arsenal only have a chance in January, after then, it will be between Chelsea and United to sign him. With Ferdinand on his last legs and Evans not proving himself, Fergie will definitely make a move for Cahill, espec as he has forced himself into the England 11.
To be honest Moses the only hope I had was Holden coming back. This now not happening. All of what I said about coyle may have been proved wrong with Holden back and I wanted to be proved wrong. Sorry but unfortunately 17th place for me will be best we can hope for!!!
Well if thats the case Petrov er, aiming for 17th, get behind the team and Coyle and lets give them the support which will give them a boost and get us some points
I always do may take a little more for that to happen. Holdens injury could cost coyle his job!
I think the combination of losing Lee + Holden could add alot of pressure to Coyle.
Very unfortunate that his plans have been almost stopped by the loss of two integral players.
Rooney and Nani from United.
Van Persie and Walcott from Arsenal.
Drogba and Terry from Chelsea.
Gerrard and Suarez from Liverpool.
Ronaldo and Alonso from Real Madrid.
Messi and Iniesta from Barca.
No matter who your two best players are, losing them will have a damaging effect.
Now we will have to see how Coyle can combat it, i believe he can, in fact i know he can. We had a worse team in 2010 when he kept us up. He will do the same again.
The only reason it looks so bad is because we have played them all in a month
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Fair enough ..if that is the only reason ...what about the Norwich result? That was supposed to be an easy 3 points ...problem is ..the string of batterings / glut of goals conceded has left the team shell-shocked and struggling against even the weakest of opposition, as the Norwich result showed. OC has to find a way to lift the players .. I'm sure he knows that it's not just a case of losing to the top teams, but the severity of those losses i.e the resulting loss of confidence that can affect how we perform against ' easier ' opposition. We'll get a chance to see next month if he can raise their spirits sufficiently,and whether he really does have a Plan B.
was going 451 and dropping Davies not a plan b?
Not really Holden it was a reaction to public and press pressure.
Sorry .. I should have said ' a CREDIBLE Plan B '
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posted on 28/9/11
Why not loan a player then Mc Eachran from Chelsea would have fit the bill young like Wilshere eager to learn and impress and could have been on loan till January would have covered Holden's initial injury and beyond.
posted on 28/9/11
No your right cause in football manager a club like Bolton would never just let players contracts run out then lose money on them. Selling Cahill could have funded improvements in our team yet we held out for an unrealistic amount and may now get nothing. Not even I am that bad on fm
posted on 28/9/11
If we had sold Cahill we could have tried to get Dann to replace him and at least got a new centre back and banked a few million quid as well
posted on 28/9/11
No your right cause in football manager a club like Bolton would never just let players contracts run out then lose money on them. Selling Cahill could have funded improvements in our team yet we held out for an unrealistic amount and may now get nothing. Not even I am that bad on fm
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No one offered what WE deemed was acceptable, end of the story as I'm concerned, Gartside and Davies are two very good Businessmen and I trust them to run our club in the right way ....
posted on 28/9/11
Wow. This place really lights up when the going gets tough. Definitely starting to feel like the old 606 days.
We'll turn it around, and if not, we'll rely on Norwich, Swansea and er... someone else being worse than us.
posted on 28/9/11
So nothing is better than something hhmmmm let me think?? No sorry your wrong that's not good business. I think gartside would have sold. He has previous so finger goes to coyle.
posted on 28/9/11
That's not good enough for me though Finlay. Coyle was not employed to hope that teams are worse than him. I want to see us win games not lose them but hope others do as well.
posted on 28/9/11
So nothing is better than something hhmmmm let me think?? No sorry your wrong that's not good business. I think gartside would have sold. He has previous so finger goes to coyle.
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Petrov er, your comments tonight have shown that you don't understand how football business works, especially with wages.
Gartside made a decision that I support fully.
Say if we had sold Cahill and brought someone else in who wasn't doing well, you'd be on here complaining about that .....
posted on 28/9/11
So nothing is better than something hhmmmm let me think?? No sorry your wrong that's not good business. I think gartside would have sold. He has previous so finger goes to coyle.
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By 'eck, lad.
Got a bee in yer boonet?
Lets say Cahill stays this season, which he is likely to, he can directly affect the money we receive from the final league position,so if we finish high then he will have given us something, as he will have contributed to our high league finish.
That is obviosuly what Garty and Coyle are relying on and they are the men that make the decisions around here, so we are just going to have to trust them
posted on 28/9/11
Would you rather we had accepted the £6m bid?
Which was only £2m more than a keeper who was considered surplus to requirements?
Coyle has no say in transfer fees and wages, The Chairman and directors deal with that.
The same way that Coyle has little say on what players we find, the scouts do that and tell them about them.
His job is to control the team, and he would rather have Cahill in the starting 11 rather than Knight and Wheater.
posted on 28/9/11
Not really Moses as if we had someone new and they were not doing well they would be playing just like Cahill. Cahill has been poor since the window has closed.
So I don't understand football or business. I will tell my boss that products we have bought we were offered a price that I was not happy with so I have decided to give them away for free cause that is good business. Pretty sure they will disagree with you and tell you that you have no clue about business. In terms of my understanding of football I am unhappy you are. The situation you are ok with and I am not is:-
Bottom of the league
6 wins all year
Drubbings left right and centre
A disasterous day at Wembley
Which one of us gets football??
posted on 28/9/11
Holden yes!!! It is better than nothing. Well in fact -£5m as we spent that in him. We are not an academy producing players for other clubs for nothing!
posted on 28/9/11
So I don't understand football or business. I will tell my boss that products we have bought we were offered a price that I was not happy with so I have decided to give them away for free cause that is good business. Pretty sure they will disagree with you and tell you that you have no clue about business. In terms of my understanding of football I am unhappy you are. The situation you are ok with and I am not is:-
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Tottenham were still hopeful of a deal unti 8 pm on deadline day, we would have had little time to bring someone in.
I understand business very well, players are not stock, they are more like machinery or equipment that perform for a business, your not going to sell the computers at your work for under the value if you know you might not be able to buy new ones and they are performing well despite the fact they could be worth nothing in under a year as you'd still get the years use out of them. Its called depreciation.
posted on 28/9/11
So despite the fact we paid £7.5m in transfer fees and additional payments for his 1st England cap, you would take £1.5m less than we paid for him, even though he has improved considerably since we bought him.
Id rather have him for a full season. We can generate more revenue from other aspects of the game with him than without him. Not far off the £6m region anyway..
posted on 28/9/11
Holden he in our team guarantees nothing financially. What is guaranteed is we will get nothing for him now.
Moses if you watched Ssn on deadline day the guy outside city said we had onouha lined up.
posted on 28/9/11
Moses if you watched Ssn on deadline day the guy outside city said we had onouha lined up.
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I doubt that was much more than a rumor, even then, is Onouha better than Cahill.
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Holden he in our team guarantees nothing financially. What is guaranteed is we will get nothing for him now.
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How is it guaranteed we will get nothing for him? he may yet go in January or sign a new contract, doubtful I know but weirder things have happened .....
posted on 28/9/11
He cannot sign a contract with any other club until May. So we have until then to convince him to sign a new deal. He can talk to other clubs though.
If not, im sure their will be injuries from now till Jan, which will maybe see clubs trying to buy him anyway. Clubs like Spurs and Arsenal only have a chance in January, after then, it will be between Chelsea and United to sign him. With Ferdinand on his last legs and Evans not proving himself, Fergie will definitely make a move for Cahill, espec as he has forced himself into the England 11.
posted on 28/9/11
To be honest Moses the only hope I had was Holden coming back. This now not happening. All of what I said about coyle may have been proved wrong with Holden back and I wanted to be proved wrong. Sorry but unfortunately 17th place for me will be best we can hope for!!!
posted on 28/9/11
Well if thats the case Petrov er, aiming for 17th, get behind the team and Coyle and lets give them the support which will give them a boost and get us some points
posted on 28/9/11
I always do may take a little more for that to happen. Holdens injury could cost coyle his job!
posted on 28/9/11
I think the combination of losing Lee + Holden could add alot of pressure to Coyle.
Very unfortunate that his plans have been almost stopped by the loss of two integral players.
Rooney and Nani from United.
Van Persie and Walcott from Arsenal.
Drogba and Terry from Chelsea.
Gerrard and Suarez from Liverpool.
Ronaldo and Alonso from Real Madrid.
Messi and Iniesta from Barca.
No matter who your two best players are, losing them will have a damaging effect.
Now we will have to see how Coyle can combat it, i believe he can, in fact i know he can. We had a worse team in 2010 when he kept us up. He will do the same again.
posted on 28/9/11
The only reason it looks so bad is because we have played them all in a month
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Fair enough ..if that is the only reason ...what about the Norwich result? That was supposed to be an easy 3 points ...problem is ..the string of batterings / glut of goals conceded has left the team shell-shocked and struggling against even the weakest of opposition, as the Norwich result showed. OC has to find a way to lift the players .. I'm sure he knows that it's not just a case of losing to the top teams, but the severity of those losses i.e the resulting loss of confidence that can affect how we perform against ' easier ' opposition. We'll get a chance to see next month if he can raise their spirits sufficiently,and whether he really does have a Plan B.
posted on 28/9/11
was going 451 and dropping Davies not a plan b?
posted on 28/9/11
Not really Holden it was a reaction to public and press pressure.
posted on 28/9/11
Sorry .. I should have said ' a CREDIBLE Plan B '
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