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posted on 30/10/20

To be honest whenever the usual 'top 6' sides have been in the Europa, they've been able to rest most of their first team in the group stages of the Europa and not struggle. I'm sure you'll still get out the group without much trouble but if you can't rest most of them in a match like that, it suggests a fair few of your back ups aren't as good as you'd hope.

In the league it's different, you only need 4 or 5 top back ups, and sometimes the other first teamers can move position to accommodate them when they're brought in.

posted on 30/10/20

To compete at the top, I'd say a good squad consists of being able to make multiple changes and still get results.

We have seen it with Liverpool and City over the last couple of seasons where they've made wholesale changes (say 6+ for arguments sake) and still get results. Such as Liverpool's FA Cup win over Everton last season for example.

It takes time for a "second squad" to gel if they are all new players, which a lot of them are and need minutes. The squad depth is better than it has been in previous years, but defeats such as the one last night is worrying when relating it to ambitions of wanting to win or at least compete for the title this season.

posted on 30/10/20

Can't blame for Jose for making loads of changes from Monday's game considering we have to play on Sunday again. Most people before the match were happy with the team he picked on paper. It made sense to make a raft of changes.

As you said though hopefully Jose has learned a lesson or two in who he can trust going forward.

That said I would like him to field the same sort of side next Thur and hopefully he comments yday post match were some sort of mind game to motivate the feckers.

posted on 30/10/20

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posted on 30/10/20

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posted on 30/10/20

I'm totally astounded that someone with the experience of Mourinho did not ensure that we signed an experienced centreback in the summer window, all these flair players count for nothing if not solid at the back, and of course the serial winner knows this, so who or what was the problem, Levy really opened his wallet so cant blame him, expectations that Sanchez and Dier would improve, we know that wont happen, just slipped under the radar obviously, he signed Rodon but a lot of pressure on his shoulders, then registered too late for Europe league total mess

posted on 30/10/20

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 0 seconds ago
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posted on 30/10/20

comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 5 minutes ago
I'm totally astounded that someone with the experience of Mourinho did not ensure that we signed an experienced centreback in the summer window, all these flair players count for nothing if not solid at the back, and of course the serial winner knows this, so who or what was the problem, Levy really opened his wallet so cant blame him, expectations that Sanchez and Dier would improve, we know that wont happen, just slipped under the radar obviously, he signed Rodon but a lot of pressure on his shoulders, then registered too late for Europe league total mess
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I think it was well documented that you were after Milan Skriniar from Inter Milan. Whether the reports were true that you agreed terms, who knows, but the biggest issue regarding the transfer is that you couldn't agree a fee with Inter as they wanted something around double what you were willing to pay.

So as much as Levy opened his wallet for the likes of Doherty (£20m), Hojbjerg (£15m), the massive loan fee and wages of Bale, Reguillon loan, Rodon (£15m) etc. It seems as if Levy was reluctant to spend such a large fee on a defender. I think Mourinho identified who he wanted, but, from our perspective, it seems as if the board wouldn't comply.

posted on 30/10/20

comment by LukaBrasi - Bale Bale Bale (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Can't blame for Jose for making loads of changes from Monday's game considering we have to play on Sunday again. Most people before the match were happy with the team he picked on paper. It made sense to make a raft of changes.

As you said though hopefully Jose has learned a lesson or two in who he can trust going forward.

That said I would like him to field the same sort of side next Thur and hopefully he comments yday post match were some sort of mind game to motivate the feckers.
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You can absolutely blame Jose for last night's result. We might have been happy with the team but we're not the experts. He's going on about it being 'an easy choice' next time, alluding to the fact that the players let him down but the truth is that he decided to play Davies, a LB, at centre half. His dawdling on the ball isn't usually punished at left back. We all know Jose said "you can blame me for the result" but if that is the case maybe don't caveat the statement by declaring that he'd have changed all 11 players if he could.

Absorbs credit when we win, plays the blame game when we lose. I'd absolutely hate working under a manager like that.

posted on 30/10/20

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
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give it a rest sheriff

posted on 30/10/20

comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
One that wins something
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give it a rest sheriff
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Hey Palmer's..👍

comment by Edbo (U17933)

posted on 30/10/20

comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 5 minutes ago
I'm totally astounded that someone with the experience of Mourinho did not ensure that we signed an experienced centreback in the summer window, all these flair players count for nothing if not solid at the back, and of course the serial winner knows this, so who or what was the problem, Levy really opened his wallet so cant blame him, expectations that Sanchez and Dier would improve, we know that wont happen, just slipped under the radar obviously, he signed Rodon but a lot of pressure on his shoulders, then registered too late for Europe league total mess
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I think it was well documented that you were after Milan Skriniar from Inter Milan. Whether the reports were true that you agreed terms, who knows, but the biggest issue regarding the transfer is that you couldn't agree a fee with Inter as they wanted something around double what you were willing to pay.

So as much as Levy opened his wallet for the likes of Doherty (£20m), Hojbjerg (£15m), the massive loan fee and wages of Bale, Reguillon loan, Rodon (£15m) etc. It seems as if Levy was reluctant to spend such a large fee on a defender. I think Mourinho identified who he wanted, but, from our perspective, it seems as if the board wouldn't comply.
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Doherty was £12m.

posted on 30/10/20

comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 5 minutes ago
I'm totally astounded that someone with the experience of Mourinho did not ensure that we signed an experienced centreback in the summer window, all these flair players count for nothing if not solid at the back, and of course the serial winner knows this, so who or what was the problem, Levy really opened his wallet so cant blame him, expectations that Sanchez and Dier would improve, we know that wont happen, just slipped under the radar obviously, he signed Rodon but a lot of pressure on his shoulders, then registered too late for Europe league total mess
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I think it was well documented that you were after Milan Skriniar from Inter Milan. Whether the reports were true that you agreed terms, who knows, but the biggest issue regarding the transfer is that you couldn't agree a fee with Inter as they wanted something around double what you were willing to pay.

So as much as Levy opened his wallet for the likes of Doherty (£20m), Hojbjerg (£15m), the massive loan fee and wages of Bale, Reguillon loan, Rodon (£15m) etc. It seems as if Levy was reluctant to spend such a large fee on a defender. I think Mourinho identified who he wanted, but, from our perspective, it seems as if the board wouldn't comply.
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Doherty was £12m.
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My apologies, must have seen that somewhere else from when he was signed. Either way, my point still stands and actually makes Levy look worse for wanting to keep his money in his pocket or his transfer spend small.

posted on 30/10/20

Reguillon isn't a loan, he cost £25m but has a buy back clause for 2 years time.

He was a player we needed, as was PEH, so not penny pinching to get the right players in at the right price.

Bales wages are huge, extra wages on Vinicius added to the £56m on lo Celso on Jan and £65m on NDombele last summer.

I'd sat Levy is splashing all he can while having stadium debt and no fans to provide income.

posted on 30/10/20

OP

Good article. I still maintain Spurs have a good squad. Just that not many teams can change eight, nine players without it having some effect from time to time. Spurs have won three of their Europa League matches with squad players mixed with first teamers.

Last night it didn`t go to plan, but doesn`t mean one defeat that the whole squad is useless it isn`t.

The squad will come into it`s own once a few injures come into the equation, then you will at least have a decent backups for the odd game.

No team, not even Man City, have a squad XI that they could say play in the Prem, it just doesn`t work like that.

posted on 30/10/20

No team, not even Man City, have a squad XI that they could say play in the Prem, it just doesn`t work like that.
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Man City's 2nd Starting XI is probably stronger than most sides in this league as it is. It's hard to correctly determine what Man City's strongest XI is, but even in most people's opinion, Man City's 2nd side I'd feel could quite easily challenge for the CL places, at minimum. Depending on who you class as 2nd choice.

posted on 30/10/20

comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 11 minutes ago
No team, not even Man City, have a squad XI that they could say play in the Prem, it just doesn`t work like that.
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Man City's 2nd Starting XI is probably stronger than most sides in this league as it is. It's hard to correctly determine what Man City's strongest XI is, but even in most people's opinion, Man City's 2nd side I'd feel could quite easily challenge for the CL places, at minimum. Depending on who you class as 2nd choice.
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I doubt it mate, even their best XI is hardly pulling up trees this season. Yes they have a strong squad. But no way would their second XI be able to play all season and challenge for a CL spot.

posted on 30/10/20

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi - Bale Bale Bale (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Can't blame for Jose for making loads of changes from Monday's game considering we have to play on Sunday again. Most people before the match were happy with the team he picked on paper. It made sense to make a raft of changes.

As you said though hopefully Jose has learned a lesson or two in who he can trust going forward.

That said I would like him to field the same sort of side next Thur and hopefully he comments yday post match were some sort of mind game to motivate the feckers.
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You can absolutely blame Jose for last night's result. We might have been happy with the team but we're not the experts. He's going on about it being 'an easy choice' next time, alluding to the fact that the players let him down but the truth is that he decided to play Davies, a LB, at centre half. His dawdling on the ball isn't usually punished at left back. We all know Jose said "you can blame me for the result" but if that is the case maybe don't caveat the statement by declaring that he'd have changed all 11 players if he could.

Absorbs credit when we win, plays the blame game when we lose. I'd absolutely hate working under a manager like that.
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Name me a manager that doesn`t?

posted on 30/10/20

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 11 minutes ago
No team, not even Man City, have a squad XI that they could say play in the Prem, it just doesn`t work like that.
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Man City's 2nd Starting XI is probably stronger than most sides in this league as it is. It's hard to correctly determine what Man City's strongest XI is, but even in most people's opinion, Man City's 2nd side I'd feel could quite easily challenge for the CL places, at minimum. Depending on who you class as 2nd choice.
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I doubt it mate, even their best XI is hardly pulling up trees this season. Yes they have a strong squad. But no way would their second XI be able to play all season and challenge for a CL spot.
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I'd bet they would. Their 2nd squad is quite clearly better than most in the league by some distance.

If you consider the likes of Mahrez, Jesus, Stones, Mendy, Cancelo etc 2nd string players, they have by far and away more quality than many clubs in the rest of the league. That's with me not rating Stones as well.

posted on 30/10/20

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi - Bale Bale Bale (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Can't blame for Jose for making loads of changes from Monday's game considering we have to play on Sunday again. Most people before the match were happy with the team he picked on paper. It made sense to make a raft of changes.

As you said though hopefully Jose has learned a lesson or two in who he can trust going forward.

That said I would like him to field the same sort of side next Thur and hopefully he comments yday post match were some sort of mind game to motivate the feckers.
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You can absolutely blame Jose for last night's result. We might have been happy with the team but we're not the experts. He's going on about it being 'an easy choice' next time, alluding to the fact that the players let him down but the truth is that he decided to play Davies, a LB, at centre half. His dawdling on the ball isn't usually punished at left back. We all know Jose said "you can blame me for the result" but if that is the case maybe don't caveat the statement by declaring that he'd have changed all 11 players if he could.

Absorbs credit when we win, plays the blame game when we lose. I'd absolutely hate working under a manager like that.
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Name me a manager that doesn`t?
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It amuses me that you pro Mourinho supporters, know so very, very little about the man, other than to keep repeating Parrot fashion the words "serial winner"

comment by Bumble (U6465)

posted on 30/10/20

I thought Spurs had a 'Great Squad'

The 'Strongest in the League'

'Genuine Title Contenders'

Or have I been missinformed🤔

posted on 30/10/20

comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 24 minutes ago
I thought Spurs had a 'Great Squad'

The 'Strongest in the League'

'Genuine Title Contenders'

Or have I been missinformed🤔
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Seem like Sandy is living rent-free in your head

posted on 30/10/20

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
One that wins something
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give it a rest sheriff
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Hey Palmer's..👍
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Alright Sheriff, all ok ?

comment by Hengy (U9129)

posted on 30/10/20

comment by RespectYourAldersSon (U22365)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
Reguillon isn't a loan, he cost £25m but has a buy back clause for 2 years time.

He was a player we needed, as was PEH, so not penny pinching to get the right players in at the right price.

Bales wages are huge, extra wages on Vinicius added to the £56m on lo Celso on Jan and £65m on NDombele last summer.

I'd sat Levy is splashing all he can while having stadium debt and no fans to provide income.
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Pretty sure they can try and get over the next two summers

posted on 30/10/20

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