comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
Liverpool scored a goal, let's change the laws of the game
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A nice summing up of the childish reaction by Liverpool fans to this article
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Or a nice summing up of the bitterness of United fans to Liverpool scoring a goal.
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And the fact that you choose to interpret it that way probably says more about you than it does about the OP.
All this just because Greg was so upset that Liverpool scored a legit goal that he wants the rule changed without actually thinking through the consequences of it.
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I said in a previous post that United benefitted from a similar scenario not too long ago and that I had the same views as I do now.
I'll repeat, I honestly don't understand how anyone can think Mane was not interfering with play.
You still haven't told me, even though I've asked a few times.
You've only told me 'its the law', which means you do not have a valid point.
You don't think players deliberately stay offside sometimes to confuse the opposition? I see it often.
Clever players often stay offside until the very last moment. They do this to make the defenders think they're safe when really they aren't.
I even do it in 11 a side .....
If players are taking advantage of it in certain scenarios, then it means they are interfering with play. Pretty simple stuff.
The law can be improved in that respect.
It was a good goal, I don't get the issue.
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
It was a good goal, I don't get the issue.
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It was a good goal.
comment by Greg- (U1192)
posted 32 minutes ago
All this just because Greg was so upset that Liverpool scored a legit goal that he wants the rule changed without actually thinking through the consequences of it.
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I said in a previous post that United benefitted from a similar scenario not too long ago and that I had the same views as I do now.
I'll repeat, I honestly don't understand how anyone can think Mane was not interfering with play.
You still haven't told me, even though I've asked a few times.
You've only told me 'its the law', which means you do not have a valid point.
You don't think players deliberately stay offside sometimes to confuse the opposition? I see it often.
Clever players often stay offside until the very last moment. They do this to make the defenders think they're safe when really they aren't.
I even do it in 11 a side .....
If players are taking advantage of it in certain scenarios, then it means they are interfering with play. Pretty simple stuff.
The law can be improved in that respect.
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That is because you don't understand that the fact that it is the law is the reason he is not interfering with play. It doesn't mean I don't have a point, it means that this is the precise point. "Interfering with play" has very specific meanings in the laws and Mane was not doing any of the things that count as interfering with play. What you mean is that you want offside to be expanded so that simply standing in an offside position is classed as interfering with play.
This was a system that was previously used in the laws and the very fact that they changed it suggests that it didn't work as the lawmakers intended. Your system would lead to players on the left wing being flagged as offside when the ball is played to the right wing. In what waybwould this provide benefits over the current system?
You still haven't explained why it is bad, or what Mane has taken advantage of. What would the defenders have done differently if Mane wasn't behind them that would have stopped Jota being played through ( and why couldn't they do that anyway?)? How would Mane not being their have benefitted the keeper since he couldn't get to the ball before Jota anyway?
Why shouldn't clever players be able to stand in an offside position and then skillfully get back onside at the right time?
Why shouldn't players be able to stand offside to confuse the opposition defenders?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 25 minutes ago
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Who knows welshpoolfan, perhaps if Mane wasn't there, the gap between the defenders may have been smaller and not wide enough to fit a jumbo jet in?
I've just watched the replay a few times and at the beginning of the play, the West Ham defender sticks with Mane, but leaving him about half a yard, maybe a yard offside, and he ends up 2 metres deeper than the rest of the West Ham players. He then goes charging at Shaqiri, who plays the ball through to Jota.
Maybe if Mane was not there at all, the defender charging at Shaqiri could have closed him down in time to block the pass? Maybe he would have been more composed, because Mane did not drag him out of position?
It's not rocket science, surely a post-grad can see that or you're simply on the wind up or just thick.
I await your reply.
You're complaining more than the West Ham goalkeeper.
comment by Greg- (U1192)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
Who knows welshpoolfan, perhaps if Mane wasn't there, the gap between the defenders may have been smaller and not wide enough to fit a jumbo jet in?
I've just watched the replay a few times and at the beginning of the play, the West Ham defender sticks with Mane, but leaving him about half a yard, maybe a yard offside, and he ends up 2 metres deeper than the rest of the West Ham players. He then goes charging at Shaqiri, who plays the ball through to Jota.
Maybe if Mane was not there at all, the defender charging at Shaqiri could have closed him down in time to block the pass? Maybe he would have been more composed, because Mane did not drag him out of position?
It's not rocket science, surely a post-grad can see that or you're simply on the wind up or just thick.
I await your reply.
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So what you are saying is if we ban players from making forward runs that might draw the defender out of position then that defender might be able to potentially do something different. Still doesn't seem to have anything to do with he offside.
The defender could have let Mane run and not tracked him. He could have not then rushed out to Shaqiri. He had lots of options.
Maybe if Mane wasn't there the defender becomes complacent and it is easier for the pass to go through?
I note that once again you have to resort to personal abuse because your argument has very little merit.
Also, a very key point that you completely ignore is that when Mane pulls the defender put of position, he isnt offside anyway because the ball hasn't been played.
When the defender rushes back to close down Shaqiri, Mane isnt offside because the ball hasn't been played.
Mane is only offside at the moment the ball is played, which is after he has affected the defender. At that point he takes a surely no action that influences anything.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 minutes ago
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Still lurking obsessed.
The lawyer not happy with people laughing.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 45 minutes ago
The lawyer not happy with people laughing.
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Still lurking the next day obsessed.
Welshpool has lost the plot.
Lurking? Obsessed? Or clicking on an article that comes up on my profile page and reading the comments.
Seems welshpool has gone down the childish route and is derailing the thread - must be frustrated at losing the debate.
Will leave him to it, don't want to make it any worse for the poor lad.
Love the fact he logged in on a Monday morning just to post about me though.
Bless him.
Hope your Monday improves, welshpool.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
Love the fact he logged in on a Monday morning just to post about me though.
Bless him.
Hope your Monday improves, welshpool.
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You literally logged in earlier than me on a Monday to post a comment at me, so you appear to be insulting yourself here.
Have fun trying to read up on how laws work. Happy to give you some more lessons if you ask nicely and stop resorting to personal abuse when your lack of understanding is shown up.
Offside rule
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posted on 1/11/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
Liverpool scored a goal, let's change the laws of the game
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A nice summing up of the childish reaction by Liverpool fans to this article
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Or a nice summing up of the bitterness of United fans to Liverpool scoring a goal.
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And the fact that you choose to interpret it that way probably says more about you than it does about the OP.
posted on 1/11/20
All this just because Greg was so upset that Liverpool scored a legit goal that he wants the rule changed without actually thinking through the consequences of it.
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I said in a previous post that United benefitted from a similar scenario not too long ago and that I had the same views as I do now.
I'll repeat, I honestly don't understand how anyone can think Mane was not interfering with play.
You still haven't told me, even though I've asked a few times.
You've only told me 'its the law', which means you do not have a valid point.
You don't think players deliberately stay offside sometimes to confuse the opposition? I see it often.
Clever players often stay offside until the very last moment. They do this to make the defenders think they're safe when really they aren't.
I even do it in 11 a side .....
If players are taking advantage of it in certain scenarios, then it means they are interfering with play. Pretty simple stuff.
The law can be improved in that respect.
posted on 1/11/20
It was a good goal, I don't get the issue.
posted on 1/11/20
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
It was a good goal, I don't get the issue.
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It was a good goal.
posted on 1/11/20
comment by Greg- (U1192)
posted 32 minutes ago
All this just because Greg was so upset that Liverpool scored a legit goal that he wants the rule changed without actually thinking through the consequences of it.
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I said in a previous post that United benefitted from a similar scenario not too long ago and that I had the same views as I do now.
I'll repeat, I honestly don't understand how anyone can think Mane was not interfering with play.
You still haven't told me, even though I've asked a few times.
You've only told me 'its the law', which means you do not have a valid point.
You don't think players deliberately stay offside sometimes to confuse the opposition? I see it often.
Clever players often stay offside until the very last moment. They do this to make the defenders think they're safe when really they aren't.
I even do it in 11 a side .....
If players are taking advantage of it in certain scenarios, then it means they are interfering with play. Pretty simple stuff.
The law can be improved in that respect.
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That is because you don't understand that the fact that it is the law is the reason he is not interfering with play. It doesn't mean I don't have a point, it means that this is the precise point. "Interfering with play" has very specific meanings in the laws and Mane was not doing any of the things that count as interfering with play. What you mean is that you want offside to be expanded so that simply standing in an offside position is classed as interfering with play.
This was a system that was previously used in the laws and the very fact that they changed it suggests that it didn't work as the lawmakers intended. Your system would lead to players on the left wing being flagged as offside when the ball is played to the right wing. In what waybwould this provide benefits over the current system?
You still haven't explained why it is bad, or what Mane has taken advantage of. What would the defenders have done differently if Mane wasn't behind them that would have stopped Jota being played through ( and why couldn't they do that anyway?)? How would Mane not being their have benefitted the keeper since he couldn't get to the ball before Jota anyway?
Why shouldn't clever players be able to stand in an offside position and then skillfully get back onside at the right time?
Why shouldn't players be able to stand offside to confuse the opposition defenders?
posted on 1/11/20
posted on 1/11/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 25 minutes ago
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posted on 1/11/20
Who knows welshpoolfan, perhaps if Mane wasn't there, the gap between the defenders may have been smaller and not wide enough to fit a jumbo jet in?
I've just watched the replay a few times and at the beginning of the play, the West Ham defender sticks with Mane, but leaving him about half a yard, maybe a yard offside, and he ends up 2 metres deeper than the rest of the West Ham players. He then goes charging at Shaqiri, who plays the ball through to Jota.
Maybe if Mane was not there at all, the defender charging at Shaqiri could have closed him down in time to block the pass? Maybe he would have been more composed, because Mane did not drag him out of position?
It's not rocket science, surely a post-grad can see that or you're simply on the wind up or just thick.
I await your reply.
posted on 1/11/20
You're complaining more than the West Ham goalkeeper.
posted on 1/11/20
comment by Greg- (U1192)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
Who knows welshpoolfan, perhaps if Mane wasn't there, the gap between the defenders may have been smaller and not wide enough to fit a jumbo jet in?
I've just watched the replay a few times and at the beginning of the play, the West Ham defender sticks with Mane, but leaving him about half a yard, maybe a yard offside, and he ends up 2 metres deeper than the rest of the West Ham players. He then goes charging at Shaqiri, who plays the ball through to Jota.
Maybe if Mane was not there at all, the defender charging at Shaqiri could have closed him down in time to block the pass? Maybe he would have been more composed, because Mane did not drag him out of position?
It's not rocket science, surely a post-grad can see that or you're simply on the wind up or just thick.
I await your reply.
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So what you are saying is if we ban players from making forward runs that might draw the defender out of position then that defender might be able to potentially do something different. Still doesn't seem to have anything to do with he offside.
The defender could have let Mane run and not tracked him. He could have not then rushed out to Shaqiri. He had lots of options.
Maybe if Mane wasn't there the defender becomes complacent and it is easier for the pass to go through?
I note that once again you have to resort to personal abuse because your argument has very little merit.
posted on 1/11/20
Also, a very key point that you completely ignore is that when Mane pulls the defender put of position, he isnt offside anyway because the ball hasn't been played.
When the defender rushes back to close down Shaqiri, Mane isnt offside because the ball hasn't been played.
Mane is only offside at the moment the ball is played, which is after he has affected the defender. At that point he takes a surely no action that influences anything.
posted on 1/11/20
posted on 1/11/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 minutes ago
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Still lurking obsessed.
posted on 2/11/20
The lawyer not happy with people laughing.
posted on 2/11/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 45 minutes ago
The lawyer not happy with people laughing.
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Still lurking the next day obsessed.
posted on 2/11/20
Welshpool has lost the plot.
Lurking? Obsessed? Or clicking on an article that comes up on my profile page and reading the comments.
Seems welshpool has gone down the childish route and is derailing the thread - must be frustrated at losing the debate.
Will leave him to it, don't want to make it any worse for the poor lad.
posted on 2/11/20
Love the fact he logged in on a Monday morning just to post about me though.
Bless him.
Hope your Monday improves, welshpool.
posted on 2/11/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
Love the fact he logged in on a Monday morning just to post about me though.
Bless him.
Hope your Monday improves, welshpool.
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You literally logged in earlier than me on a Monday to post a comment at me, so you appear to be insulting yourself here.
Have fun trying to read up on how laws work. Happy to give you some more lessons if you ask nicely and stop resorting to personal abuse when your lack of understanding is shown up.
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