You can watch Alloa vs Dundee live on the BBC tonight for free. Included within this is Charlie Adam playing for Dundee whose corners are worth £10m alone. So you are getting a minimum of £10m for free tonight on the BBC. Sweet deal.
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
£15 per game that's PPV on top of TV licenses every month is not going to sit well with fans and it hasn't.
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Explain why you how have to pay your BBCTV licence fee ( of which you have to if you receive broadcasts) and now £15 on top of it, to watch each football game you want to watch (of you don't have to).
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Do you live abroad? Surely too early to be drunk in the uk?
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 15 minutes ago
£15 per game that's PPV on top of TV licenses every month is not going to sit well with fans and it hasn't.
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Explain why you how have to pay your BBCTV licence fee ( of which you have to if you receive broadcasts) and now £15 on top of it, to watch each football game you want to watch (of you don't have to).
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Ok and what about your Sky TV licence perhaps? Which you will pay x amount a month for AND then £15 per game you choose to watch on top of that as well.
You do have to pay for Sky you know...
Do you live abroad? Surely too early to be drunk in the uk?
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Maybe we should all get free/cheaper booze too, as there is a pandemic on.
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Do you live abroad? Surely too early to be drunk in the uk?
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Maybe we should all get free/cheaper booze too, as there is a pandemic on.
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go on.......
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 7 minutes ago
Do you live abroad? Surely too early to be drunk in the uk?
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Maybe we should all get free/cheaper booze too, as there is a pandemic on.
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I certainly wouldnt be paying £15 for a pint that's for sure
I certainly wouldn't be paying £15 for a pint that's for sure
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Some places you have to in the UK and Europe. If you want it, that is.
If you dont want to pay for Sky or BT dont.
If you do, well done you have access to +100 live games this season.
If you dont want to PPV for the extra games that arent usually aired, then dont.
If you do, well done, enjoy.
If you sit there thinking, i wish i could sit in my seat at the ground and watch my team and can't, and have been refunded your season ticket, you may want the option spending a fraction of that price to PPV your team.
No one is forcing anyone to PPV these games, or reducing what is on offer under the usual subscriptions.
I have no idea why this is such an issue. Many new movies, like the Witches, can be rented for £15 on amazon. No one is forcing anyone to watch it and pay for it, but some may take the view that as they cannot go to the cinema, pay £10 a head & food that actually £15 at home with the family and cheaper snacks is good value for a film night in. Whats the difference.
If you dont want to PPV for the extra games that arent usually aired, then dont.
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Pretty simple really.
Maybe we should all get free/cheaper booze too, as there is a pandemic on.
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go on.......
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Except in Dundee
Well, to anyone who doesn't understand the objection, you can enjoy the u-turn can't you.
It's the principle of paying on top of paying that ruins it for most people though. Like I said, companies asking for more when there is less available which has caused the problem.
Nobody has said it's £15 that has to be paid, but it's the cheek, quite frankly, to expect people to pay more when they are likely to have less available.
If we weren't in a pandemic and the world was normal, would you expect to be paying excess on something you're already paying for? No you wouldn't.
Nobody has said it's £15 that has to be paid, but it's the cheek, quite frankly, to expect people to pay more when they are likely to have less available.
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They wouldn't be normally broadcasting these PPV games you turnip. They are not included in the negotiated package that Sky and BT thrashed out with the PL, for a set amount of money. They don't broadcast all PL games, just a set number.
This is coming from the assumption that because football fans are now being denied access to games to watch them live, through no fault of the clubs, they should be get to see them on TV. But that doesn't mean for FREE.
You obviously have a ST at Old Trafford with your bleating about the injustice of it all, so even £15 out of the real cost of actually attending PL games is a pi55 in the ocean.
If you want even more.... you have to pay for it.
Didn't you Mum tell you this as a kid.?
I actually have no issue in paying for the games I can't see live or on Sky/BT. The issue is how much I'm willing to pay. I won't pay £15 at present. That's it really. Some will and that's fair enough.
RB&W (U21434)
Rather than insulting people, why don't you stop to consider why there has been an uproar... maybe you've not considered it fully?
What you're saying is logical, of course.
But the objection, I think, is more emotive.
It's the perceived profiteering at a time of national crisis, for an industry that has money pouring into it.
It's also off the back of it being offered for free and then changing the terms into this season.
I think most people would have accepted a nominal charge to cover costs, but at this price it's blatant profiteering.
You don't need to agree with something to understand it.
Winston
Guess what I disagree. (I don't disagree with you for the sake of it btw. I would rather not be at war with you as we seem to be atm).
£15 to watch a game that would cost in the region of £100 and + even more.... especially in London is a very good deal. As I would usually have 2 Season Tickets, you could almost double that for me. If we can get it down to a fiver or Free then great. Of course I understand that people want non essential things cheap or free. But I understand that you have to pay for them in reality. And please don't give me the national crisis routine as a reason to demand it cheap. Plenty of business sectors have made a killing in this pandemic .
But I am prepared to pay £15 for it. And you can call me what you want for admitting it.
I am prepared to pay to watch my team.
These are a handful of additional PPV games games now broadcast over and above our Sky/BT subscriptions. (Or 'Sky Licence' as someone called it. It sometimes feels like a licence fee!)
"But I am prepared to pay £15 for it. And you can call me what you want for admitting it."
Bit weird. Why would I call you anything? I just said your view was logical, didn't I.
I'm not even sure I disagree.
I'm just saying that surely you can understand the alternative view without needing to agree?
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 34 minutes ago
Nobody has said it's £15 that has to be paid, but it's the cheek, quite frankly, to expect people to pay more when they are likely to have less available.
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They wouldn't be normally broadcasting these PPV games you turnip. They are not included in the negotiated package that Sky and BT thrashed out with the PL, for a set amount of money. They don't broadcast all PL games, just a set number.
This is coming from the assumption that because football fans are now being denied access to games to watch them live, through no fault of the clubs, they should be get to see them on TV. But that doesn't mean for FREE.
You obviously have a ST at Old Trafford with your bleating about the injustice of it all, so even £15 out of the real cost of actually attending PL games is a pi55 in the ocean.
If you want even more.... you have to pay for it.
Didn't you Mum tell you this as a kid.?
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Yes I know they wouldn't normally be showing PPV games and yes I know they haven't negotiated a deal through the PL and Sky and BT themselves, but combined it is too much for fans. Hence why not enough people are watching these games because it is simply too much to afford.
Nobody has said for free, so again, why are you making things up? The biggest ground in the PL is OT at 75,000, but of course more than 75,000 United fans (alone) will watch a PPV game when on TV. But why price them out at £15 to watch them when you could pay £5, more affordable for the majority of people, per game.
As we have established, which you either haven't read or don't understand:
100,000 people watching at £15 is £1.5m revenue. 500,000 people watching at £5 is £2.5m revenue. Basic supply-demand. They obviously believe £15 a game isn't working, hence why they are scrapping it.
I just don't think you understand the concept of it all. I get you have to pay for more if you want more, but it also has to be affordable for the people.
It's the perceived profiteering at a time of national crisis, for an industry that has money pouring into it.
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This.
There could have been better solutions put in place that fans would have favoured more.
I kind of agree with Robb, it could have been a test to see how many people would pay etc.
It was also pushing people to streaming more, which is the opposite of what they want.
You can purchase a night of boxing for about 20 quid? Many decent fights all night, these are usually one offs as well. Box office fights don't happen often.
It was madness to think that a 90 minute match, costing £15 would work especially when a load of the population are struggling for cash as is it.
Either way who cares, they're stopping PPV games so what have fans got to be arguing about now?
How crap United are!
Yes I know they wouldn't normally be showing PPV games and yes I know they haven't negotiated a deal through the PL and Sky and BT themselves, but combined it is too much for fans. Hence why not enough people are watching these games because it is simply too much to afford.
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To my knowledge, there has been just 1 PPV Man United game.
That is affordable. Just as much as streaming Witches or Pawn, which ever floats you boat, above watching all the sports channels you subscribe to, on your own TV.
Of course I get the concept of it, that some people cant afford it. And some people can. Do you get that?
When you sign up to Sky you know you are not getting every game to watch... just 100 or so. Not seeing the others wasn't an issue until now, where it is, it seems, expected because it's a national crisis?
Not seeing the others wasn't an issue until now
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Well they gave us these games on various platforms, Amazon, BBC etc (all platforms we are already paying for, on top of Sky, BT sports, Virgin or whatever)
due to Covid19, they then took this luxury away and tried to rip the normal football loving population off and we're arguably in a worse situation now than we were when they originally gave us these games.
Full lockdown for a month at least, limited money for millions coming in. What was bound to happen?
Also the fact that these clubs are stupidly rich and can still afford to pay their average footballers astronomical wages BUT still need profit from us normal people who are facking barely getting by is one of the main things that bugged me about it.
I'm just saying that surely you can understand the alternative view without needing to agree?
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I do Winston. Fair enough.
Also the fact that these clubs are stupidly rich and can still afford to pay their average footballers astronomical wages BUT still need profit from us normal people who are facking barely getting by is one of the main things that bugged me about it.
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Greg
I get this. Life's a bummer.
My Grandad always told me that life is like a 5hit butty.
The less bread you have the more 5hit you have to eat.
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 3 hours, 53 minutes ago
If you think PL football is only worth £5 a game then it has very little future (as the entertainment product it currently provides).
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You are completely missing the fact that many people subscribe to Sky & BT already...& should not have to fork out again...it's not like these grounds haven't already got cameras installed anyway...only needs a commentator, everything else is already there
PPV should only be available for those who do not subscribe & therefore can choose individual game packages
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 50 minutes ago
Also the fact that these clubs are stupidly rich and can still afford to pay their average footballers astronomical wages BUT still need profit from us normal people who are facking barely getting by is one of the main things that bugged me about it.
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Greg
I get this. Life's a bummer.
My Grandad always told me that life is like a 5hit butty.
The less bread you have the more 5hit you have to eat.
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Remind me not to come round yours for dinner
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posted on 6/11/20
You can watch Alloa vs Dundee live on the BBC tonight for free. Included within this is Charlie Adam playing for Dundee whose corners are worth £10m alone. So you are getting a minimum of £10m for free tonight on the BBC. Sweet deal.
posted on 6/11/20
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
£15 per game that's PPV on top of TV licenses every month is not going to sit well with fans and it hasn't.
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Explain why you how have to pay your BBCTV licence fee ( of which you have to if you receive broadcasts) and now £15 on top of it, to watch each football game you want to watch (of you don't have to).
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Do you live abroad? Surely too early to be drunk in the uk?
posted on 6/11/20
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 15 minutes ago
£15 per game that's PPV on top of TV licenses every month is not going to sit well with fans and it hasn't.
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Explain why you how have to pay your BBCTV licence fee ( of which you have to if you receive broadcasts) and now £15 on top of it, to watch each football game you want to watch (of you don't have to).
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Ok and what about your Sky TV licence perhaps? Which you will pay x amount a month for AND then £15 per game you choose to watch on top of that as well.
You do have to pay for Sky you know...
posted on 6/11/20
Do you live abroad? Surely too early to be drunk in the uk?
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Maybe we should all get free/cheaper booze too, as there is a pandemic on.
posted on 6/11/20
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Do you live abroad? Surely too early to be drunk in the uk?
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Maybe we should all get free/cheaper booze too, as there is a pandemic on.
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go on.......
posted on 6/11/20
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 7 minutes ago
Do you live abroad? Surely too early to be drunk in the uk?
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Maybe we should all get free/cheaper booze too, as there is a pandemic on.
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I certainly wouldnt be paying £15 for a pint that's for sure
posted on 6/11/20
I certainly wouldn't be paying £15 for a pint that's for sure
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Some places you have to in the UK and Europe. If you want it, that is.
posted on 6/11/20
If you dont want to pay for Sky or BT dont.
If you do, well done you have access to +100 live games this season.
If you dont want to PPV for the extra games that arent usually aired, then dont.
If you do, well done, enjoy.
If you sit there thinking, i wish i could sit in my seat at the ground and watch my team and can't, and have been refunded your season ticket, you may want the option spending a fraction of that price to PPV your team.
No one is forcing anyone to PPV these games, or reducing what is on offer under the usual subscriptions.
I have no idea why this is such an issue. Many new movies, like the Witches, can be rented for £15 on amazon. No one is forcing anyone to watch it and pay for it, but some may take the view that as they cannot go to the cinema, pay £10 a head & food that actually £15 at home with the family and cheaper snacks is good value for a film night in. Whats the difference.
posted on 6/11/20
If you dont want to PPV for the extra games that arent usually aired, then dont.
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Pretty simple really.
posted on 6/11/20
Maybe we should all get free/cheaper booze too, as there is a pandemic on.
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go on.......
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Except in Dundee
posted on 6/11/20
Well, to anyone who doesn't understand the objection, you can enjoy the u-turn can't you.
posted on 6/11/20
It's the principle of paying on top of paying that ruins it for most people though. Like I said, companies asking for more when there is less available which has caused the problem.
Nobody has said it's £15 that has to be paid, but it's the cheek, quite frankly, to expect people to pay more when they are likely to have less available.
If we weren't in a pandemic and the world was normal, would you expect to be paying excess on something you're already paying for? No you wouldn't.
posted on 6/11/20
Nobody has said it's £15 that has to be paid, but it's the cheek, quite frankly, to expect people to pay more when they are likely to have less available.
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They wouldn't be normally broadcasting these PPV games you turnip. They are not included in the negotiated package that Sky and BT thrashed out with the PL, for a set amount of money. They don't broadcast all PL games, just a set number.
This is coming from the assumption that because football fans are now being denied access to games to watch them live, through no fault of the clubs, they should be get to see them on TV. But that doesn't mean for FREE.
You obviously have a ST at Old Trafford with your bleating about the injustice of it all, so even £15 out of the real cost of actually attending PL games is a pi55 in the ocean.
If you want even more.... you have to pay for it.
Didn't you Mum tell you this as a kid.?
posted on 6/11/20
I actually have no issue in paying for the games I can't see live or on Sky/BT. The issue is how much I'm willing to pay. I won't pay £15 at present. That's it really. Some will and that's fair enough.
posted on 6/11/20
RB&W (U21434)
Rather than insulting people, why don't you stop to consider why there has been an uproar... maybe you've not considered it fully?
What you're saying is logical, of course.
But the objection, I think, is more emotive.
It's the perceived profiteering at a time of national crisis, for an industry that has money pouring into it.
It's also off the back of it being offered for free and then changing the terms into this season.
I think most people would have accepted a nominal charge to cover costs, but at this price it's blatant profiteering.
You don't need to agree with something to understand it.
posted on 6/11/20
Winston
Guess what I disagree. (I don't disagree with you for the sake of it btw. I would rather not be at war with you as we seem to be atm).
£15 to watch a game that would cost in the region of £100 and + even more.... especially in London is a very good deal. As I would usually have 2 Season Tickets, you could almost double that for me. If we can get it down to a fiver or Free then great. Of course I understand that people want non essential things cheap or free. But I understand that you have to pay for them in reality. And please don't give me the national crisis routine as a reason to demand it cheap. Plenty of business sectors have made a killing in this pandemic .
But I am prepared to pay £15 for it. And you can call me what you want for admitting it.
I am prepared to pay to watch my team.
These are a handful of additional PPV games games now broadcast over and above our Sky/BT subscriptions. (Or 'Sky Licence' as someone called it. It sometimes feels like a licence fee!)
posted on 6/11/20
"But I am prepared to pay £15 for it. And you can call me what you want for admitting it."
Bit weird. Why would I call you anything? I just said your view was logical, didn't I.
I'm not even sure I disagree.
I'm just saying that surely you can understand the alternative view without needing to agree?
posted on 6/11/20
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 34 minutes ago
Nobody has said it's £15 that has to be paid, but it's the cheek, quite frankly, to expect people to pay more when they are likely to have less available.
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They wouldn't be normally broadcasting these PPV games you turnip. They are not included in the negotiated package that Sky and BT thrashed out with the PL, for a set amount of money. They don't broadcast all PL games, just a set number.
This is coming from the assumption that because football fans are now being denied access to games to watch them live, through no fault of the clubs, they should be get to see them on TV. But that doesn't mean for FREE.
You obviously have a ST at Old Trafford with your bleating about the injustice of it all, so even £15 out of the real cost of actually attending PL games is a pi55 in the ocean.
If you want even more.... you have to pay for it.
Didn't you Mum tell you this as a kid.?
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Yes I know they wouldn't normally be showing PPV games and yes I know they haven't negotiated a deal through the PL and Sky and BT themselves, but combined it is too much for fans. Hence why not enough people are watching these games because it is simply too much to afford.
Nobody has said for free, so again, why are you making things up? The biggest ground in the PL is OT at 75,000, but of course more than 75,000 United fans (alone) will watch a PPV game when on TV. But why price them out at £15 to watch them when you could pay £5, more affordable for the majority of people, per game.
As we have established, which you either haven't read or don't understand:
100,000 people watching at £15 is £1.5m revenue. 500,000 people watching at £5 is £2.5m revenue. Basic supply-demand. They obviously believe £15 a game isn't working, hence why they are scrapping it.
I just don't think you understand the concept of it all. I get you have to pay for more if you want more, but it also has to be affordable for the people.
posted on 6/11/20
It's the perceived profiteering at a time of national crisis, for an industry that has money pouring into it.
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This.
There could have been better solutions put in place that fans would have favoured more.
I kind of agree with Robb, it could have been a test to see how many people would pay etc.
It was also pushing people to streaming more, which is the opposite of what they want.
You can purchase a night of boxing for about 20 quid? Many decent fights all night, these are usually one offs as well. Box office fights don't happen often.
It was madness to think that a 90 minute match, costing £15 would work especially when a load of the population are struggling for cash as is it.
Either way who cares, they're stopping PPV games so what have fans got to be arguing about now?
How crap United are!
posted on 6/11/20
Yes I know they wouldn't normally be showing PPV games and yes I know they haven't negotiated a deal through the PL and Sky and BT themselves, but combined it is too much for fans. Hence why not enough people are watching these games because it is simply too much to afford.
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To my knowledge, there has been just 1 PPV Man United game.
That is affordable. Just as much as streaming Witches or Pawn, which ever floats you boat, above watching all the sports channels you subscribe to, on your own TV.
Of course I get the concept of it, that some people cant afford it. And some people can. Do you get that?
When you sign up to Sky you know you are not getting every game to watch... just 100 or so. Not seeing the others wasn't an issue until now, where it is, it seems, expected because it's a national crisis?
posted on 6/11/20
Not seeing the others wasn't an issue until now
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Well they gave us these games on various platforms, Amazon, BBC etc (all platforms we are already paying for, on top of Sky, BT sports, Virgin or whatever)
due to Covid19, they then took this luxury away and tried to rip the normal football loving population off and we're arguably in a worse situation now than we were when they originally gave us these games.
Full lockdown for a month at least, limited money for millions coming in. What was bound to happen?
Also the fact that these clubs are stupidly rich and can still afford to pay their average footballers astronomical wages BUT still need profit from us normal people who are facking barely getting by is one of the main things that bugged me about it.
posted on 6/11/20
I'm just saying that surely you can understand the alternative view without needing to agree?
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I do Winston. Fair enough.
posted on 6/11/20
Also the fact that these clubs are stupidly rich and can still afford to pay their average footballers astronomical wages BUT still need profit from us normal people who are facking barely getting by is one of the main things that bugged me about it.
++
Greg
I get this. Life's a bummer.
My Grandad always told me that life is like a 5hit butty.
The less bread you have the more 5hit you have to eat.
posted on 6/11/20
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 3 hours, 53 minutes ago
If you think PL football is only worth £5 a game then it has very little future (as the entertainment product it currently provides).
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You are completely missing the fact that many people subscribe to Sky & BT already...& should not have to fork out again...it's not like these grounds haven't already got cameras installed anyway...only needs a commentator, everything else is already there
PPV should only be available for those who do not subscribe & therefore can choose individual game packages
posted on 6/11/20
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 50 minutes ago
Also the fact that these clubs are stupidly rich and can still afford to pay their average footballers astronomical wages BUT still need profit from us normal people who are facking barely getting by is one of the main things that bugged me about it.
++
Greg
I get this. Life's a bummer.
My Grandad always told me that life is like a 5hit butty.
The less bread you have the more 5hit you have to eat.
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Remind me not to come round yours for dinner
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