comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sissoko is better than Henderson. And Fellaini is an impact sub who has his uses and has likely won many games for Belgium. Henderson is just average.
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sissoko better than henderson? you can't honestly believe that? please, for your own pride
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I bet he does genuinely believe that. Some people are just blinded by their irrational hatred.
I rate Henderson as a solid player. He's a jack of all trades type midfielder, master of none. He certainly isn't world class but I think international level is fine, albeit he shouldn't be the best midfielder in the team. Its sad that he is, not because he isn't decent, but because he should be supporting a better midfield.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 18 minutes ago
So many flaws in this.
More games these days when you consider World Cup and Euro's qualification, alongside the Nations League as well as the International friendlies that are still being played.
Henderson is one of England's best midfielders in that role, so don't see how that's giving it out like confetti? I'll reason with you and say I have had my eyebrows raised with some players to put on an England shirt, Henderson is not one who falls under this category.
Comparing players from this generation to those from half a century ago is just ridiculous.
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Total nonsense, Four of England`s top ten most capped players come from bygone eras. So you cannot say it is because there are more Internationals these days.
Peter Shilton 125 caps, last one 1990, 30 years ago
Bobby Moore 108 caps, last one 1973, 47 years ago
Bobby Charlton 106 caps, last one 1970, 50 years ago
Billy Wright 105 caps, last one 1959, 61 years ago
So they played plenty of Internationals back in the day, but you had to be of real quality to get a cap.
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England Internationals:
50's - 81
60's - 105
70's - 96
80's - 116
90's - 105
00's - 115
10's - 111
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 23 minutes ago
TBH Sandy, I'm not too sure how Dier has 44 caps. Similar to P Neville I suppose. Can play in different roles!
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Neither am I. But this article is more about Jordan Henderson having the same amount of caps or more than some of the truely great players in the football history.
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Fair enough but I think Henderson is a decent player. As others have mentioned, we're not exactly blessed!
If Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes were playing these days in their prime, I can imagine Henderson wouldn't have 58 caps. But you pick who is available to you.
Sandy's theory is that because the amount of caps you have should correspond to how good you are in comparison to previous players at International level. A completely flaws argument.
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 8 minutes ago
I rate Henderson as a solid player. He's a jack of all trades type midfielder, master of none. He certainly isn't world class but I think international level is fine, albeit he shouldn't be the best midfielder in the team. Its sad that he is, not because he isn't decent, but because he should be supporting a better midfield.
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THIS
This one is too obvious Sandy... must try harder!
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 18 minutes ago
So many flaws in this.
More games these days when you consider World Cup and Euro's qualification, alongside the Nations League as well as the International friendlies that are still being played.
Henderson is one of England's best midfielders in that role, so don't see how that's giving it out like confetti? I'll reason with you and say I have had my eyebrows raised with some players to put on an England shirt, Henderson is not one who falls under this category.
Comparing players from this generation to those from half a century ago is just ridiculous.
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Total nonsense, Four of England`s top ten most capped players come from bygone eras. So you cannot say it is because there are more Internationals these days.
Peter Shilton 125 caps, last one 1990, 30 years ago
Bobby Moore 108 caps, last one 1973, 47 years ago
Bobby Charlton 106 caps, last one 1970, 50 years ago
Billy Wright 105 caps, last one 1959, 61 years ago
So they played plenty of Internationals back in the day, but you had to be of real quality to get a cap.
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England Internationals:
50's - 81
60's - 105
70's - 96
80's - 116
90's - 105
00's - 115
10's - 111
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So not a great deal of difference then Winston.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 10 minutes ago
If Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes were playing these days in their prime, I can imagine Henderson wouldn't have 58 caps. But you pick who is available to you.
Sandy's theory is that because the amount of caps you have should correspond to how good you are in comparison to previous players at International level. A completely flaws argument.
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But I thought the modern era was supposed to have the greatest ever players, and no player from the 20th century was anywhere near as good as today's players.
I think Henderson disproves that idea.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 10 minutes ago
If Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes were playing these days in their prime, I can imagine Henderson wouldn't have 58 caps. But you pick who is available to you.
Sandy's theory is that because the amount of caps you have should correspond to how good you are in comparison to previous players at International level. A completely flaws argument.
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But I thought the modern era was supposed to have the greatest ever players, and no player from the 20th century was anywhere near as good as today's players.
I think Henderson disproves that idea.
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As an overall standard the modern era is better but what you've done is compare a decent but unspectacular modern midfielder and listed greats of the English game in comparison.
One thing I would say in response to your list though, Glenn Hoddle was criminally underused by England.
I wonder if this article would exist if Henderson played for anyone other than Liverpool 🤔
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 18 minutes ago
So many flaws in this.
More games these days when you consider World Cup and Euro's qualification, alongside the Nations League as well as the International friendlies that are still being played.
Henderson is one of England's best midfielders in that role, so don't see how that's giving it out like confetti? I'll reason with you and say I have had my eyebrows raised with some players to put on an England shirt, Henderson is not one who falls under this category.
Comparing players from this generation to those from half a century ago is just ridiculous.
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Total nonsense, Four of England`s top ten most capped players come from bygone eras. So you cannot say it is because there are more Internationals these days.
Peter Shilton 125 caps, last one 1990, 30 years ago
Bobby Moore 108 caps, last one 1973, 47 years ago
Bobby Charlton 106 caps, last one 1970, 50 years ago
Billy Wright 105 caps, last one 1959, 61 years ago
So they played plenty of Internationals back in the day, but you had to be of real quality to get a cap.
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England Internationals:
50's - 81
60's - 105
70's - 96
80's - 116
90's - 105
00's - 115
10's - 111
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So not a great deal of difference then Winston.
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Well, a regular player in the 50/60's would have a max. of 186 games to be selected for, where as a player since 00 would have 226, so a reasonable difference, but admittedly not as big as I thought it would be.
The Hendo bashing is about 5 years out of date. Solid player even if unspectacular. Would be a starter for most teams in the league.
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 10 minutes ago
If Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes were playing these days in their prime, I can imagine Henderson wouldn't have 58 caps. But you pick who is available to you.
Sandy's theory is that because the amount of caps you have should correspond to how good you are in comparison to previous players at International level. A completely flaws argument.
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But I thought the modern era was supposed to have the greatest ever players, and no player from the 20th century was anywhere near as good as today's players.
I think Henderson disproves that idea.
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Where did I say that?
Like I say though, it's incomparable. Would a modern day footballer last in the 80's? Probably not no. Would an 80's footballer last in the modern day? Probably not no.
There are aspects from both era's that are "better" than the corresponding one. I think you just need to give your head an almighty wobble.
Dunc Mason. Stick to the article, otherwise you will be deleted, especially if you just post an agenda about me.
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has just drawn level with Jimmy Greaves on 57 England caps, and has still to score for his country
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He did score an own goal once
In all seriousness, all modern players have inflated cap numbers because of the volume of friendlies and qualifiers compared to previous eras.
The record scorer for every major nation is a modern player, except Brazil where Pele still has the record but Neymar Jr is close to breaking it.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
That's embarrassing that Hendo has played for England so many times.Donkey wouldn't get in France or Belgium squad.
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wouldn't be sure of that. Sissoko and bakayoko have played for france. Fellaini has loads of caps for belgium
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Fellaini in his prime was much better than Henderson.
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
That's embarrassing that Hendo has played for England so many times.Donkey wouldn't get in France or Belgium squad.
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wouldn't be sure of that. Sissoko and bakayoko have played for france. Fellaini has loads of caps for belgium
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Fellaini in his prime was much better than Henderson.
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that prime of 6 months at everton?
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
That's embarrassing that Hendo has played for England so many times.Donkey wouldn't get in France or Belgium squad.
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wouldn't be sure of that. Sissoko and bakayoko have played for france. Fellaini has loads of caps for belgium
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Fellaini in his prime was much better than Henderson.
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that prime of 6 months at everton?
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*more effective that Henderson
he played a completely contrasting role at his 'prime'
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
That's embarrassing that Hendo has played for England so many times.Donkey wouldn't get in France or Belgium squad.
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wouldn't be sure of that. Sissoko and bakayoko have played for france. Fellaini has loads of caps for belgium
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Fellaini in his prime was much better than Henderson.
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that prime of 6 months at everton?
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Yeah the 2012-13 season at Everton and that 14-15 season when LVG was United manager
AS phenom said maybe he was more effective, but he was basically just duncan ferguson with a wig. Henderson a more accomplished player.
Henderson never even scored a goal for England. Billy Nicholson scored in every England game he played.
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
com.
One thing I would say in response to your list though, Glenn Hoddle was criminally underused by England.
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Listened to Ray Wilkins once, he was chosen ahead of Hoddle for England, even he said he was surprised as Hoddle was brilliant. Said it was criminal he was chosen over him.
With Hendo I think he fits LFC to T. Thrives in that set up and is exactly the work horse that is required. For England the set up is such that I don't think it does him any favours
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Remarkable really that Jordan Henderson
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posted on 16/11/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sissoko is better than Henderson. And Fellaini is an impact sub who has his uses and has likely won many games for Belgium. Henderson is just average.
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sissoko better than henderson? you can't honestly believe that? please, for your own pride
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I bet he does genuinely believe that. Some people are just blinded by their irrational hatred.
posted on 16/11/20
I rate Henderson as a solid player. He's a jack of all trades type midfielder, master of none. He certainly isn't world class but I think international level is fine, albeit he shouldn't be the best midfielder in the team. Its sad that he is, not because he isn't decent, but because he should be supporting a better midfield.
posted on 16/11/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 18 minutes ago
So many flaws in this.
More games these days when you consider World Cup and Euro's qualification, alongside the Nations League as well as the International friendlies that are still being played.
Henderson is one of England's best midfielders in that role, so don't see how that's giving it out like confetti? I'll reason with you and say I have had my eyebrows raised with some players to put on an England shirt, Henderson is not one who falls under this category.
Comparing players from this generation to those from half a century ago is just ridiculous.
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Total nonsense, Four of England`s top ten most capped players come from bygone eras. So you cannot say it is because there are more Internationals these days.
Peter Shilton 125 caps, last one 1990, 30 years ago
Bobby Moore 108 caps, last one 1973, 47 years ago
Bobby Charlton 106 caps, last one 1970, 50 years ago
Billy Wright 105 caps, last one 1959, 61 years ago
So they played plenty of Internationals back in the day, but you had to be of real quality to get a cap.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
England Internationals:
50's - 81
60's - 105
70's - 96
80's - 116
90's - 105
00's - 115
10's - 111
posted on 16/11/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 23 minutes ago
TBH Sandy, I'm not too sure how Dier has 44 caps. Similar to P Neville I suppose. Can play in different roles!
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Neither am I. But this article is more about Jordan Henderson having the same amount of caps or more than some of the truely great players in the football history.
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Fair enough but I think Henderson is a decent player. As others have mentioned, we're not exactly blessed!
posted on 16/11/20
If Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes were playing these days in their prime, I can imagine Henderson wouldn't have 58 caps. But you pick who is available to you.
Sandy's theory is that because the amount of caps you have should correspond to how good you are in comparison to previous players at International level. A completely flaws argument.
posted on 16/11/20
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 8 minutes ago
I rate Henderson as a solid player. He's a jack of all trades type midfielder, master of none. He certainly isn't world class but I think international level is fine, albeit he shouldn't be the best midfielder in the team. Its sad that he is, not because he isn't decent, but because he should be supporting a better midfield.
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THIS
posted on 16/11/20
This one is too obvious Sandy... must try harder!
posted on 16/11/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 18 minutes ago
So many flaws in this.
More games these days when you consider World Cup and Euro's qualification, alongside the Nations League as well as the International friendlies that are still being played.
Henderson is one of England's best midfielders in that role, so don't see how that's giving it out like confetti? I'll reason with you and say I have had my eyebrows raised with some players to put on an England shirt, Henderson is not one who falls under this category.
Comparing players from this generation to those from half a century ago is just ridiculous.
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Total nonsense, Four of England`s top ten most capped players come from bygone eras. So you cannot say it is because there are more Internationals these days.
Peter Shilton 125 caps, last one 1990, 30 years ago
Bobby Moore 108 caps, last one 1973, 47 years ago
Bobby Charlton 106 caps, last one 1970, 50 years ago
Billy Wright 105 caps, last one 1959, 61 years ago
So they played plenty of Internationals back in the day, but you had to be of real quality to get a cap.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
England Internationals:
50's - 81
60's - 105
70's - 96
80's - 116
90's - 105
00's - 115
10's - 111
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So not a great deal of difference then Winston.
posted on 16/11/20
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 10 minutes ago
If Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes were playing these days in their prime, I can imagine Henderson wouldn't have 58 caps. But you pick who is available to you.
Sandy's theory is that because the amount of caps you have should correspond to how good you are in comparison to previous players at International level. A completely flaws argument.
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But I thought the modern era was supposed to have the greatest ever players, and no player from the 20th century was anywhere near as good as today's players.
I think Henderson disproves that idea.
posted on 16/11/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 10 minutes ago
If Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes were playing these days in their prime, I can imagine Henderson wouldn't have 58 caps. But you pick who is available to you.
Sandy's theory is that because the amount of caps you have should correspond to how good you are in comparison to previous players at International level. A completely flaws argument.
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But I thought the modern era was supposed to have the greatest ever players, and no player from the 20th century was anywhere near as good as today's players.
I think Henderson disproves that idea.
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As an overall standard the modern era is better but what you've done is compare a decent but unspectacular modern midfielder and listed greats of the English game in comparison.
One thing I would say in response to your list though, Glenn Hoddle was criminally underused by England.
posted on 16/11/20
I wonder if this article would exist if Henderson played for anyone other than Liverpool 🤔
posted on 16/11/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 18 minutes ago
So many flaws in this.
More games these days when you consider World Cup and Euro's qualification, alongside the Nations League as well as the International friendlies that are still being played.
Henderson is one of England's best midfielders in that role, so don't see how that's giving it out like confetti? I'll reason with you and say I have had my eyebrows raised with some players to put on an England shirt, Henderson is not one who falls under this category.
Comparing players from this generation to those from half a century ago is just ridiculous.
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Total nonsense, Four of England`s top ten most capped players come from bygone eras. So you cannot say it is because there are more Internationals these days.
Peter Shilton 125 caps, last one 1990, 30 years ago
Bobby Moore 108 caps, last one 1973, 47 years ago
Bobby Charlton 106 caps, last one 1970, 50 years ago
Billy Wright 105 caps, last one 1959, 61 years ago
So they played plenty of Internationals back in the day, but you had to be of real quality to get a cap.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
England Internationals:
50's - 81
60's - 105
70's - 96
80's - 116
90's - 105
00's - 115
10's - 111
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So not a great deal of difference then Winston.
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Well, a regular player in the 50/60's would have a max. of 186 games to be selected for, where as a player since 00 would have 226, so a reasonable difference, but admittedly not as big as I thought it would be.
posted on 16/11/20
The Hendo bashing is about 5 years out of date. Solid player even if unspectacular. Would be a starter for most teams in the league.
posted on 16/11/20
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posted on 16/11/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 10 minutes ago
If Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes were playing these days in their prime, I can imagine Henderson wouldn't have 58 caps. But you pick who is available to you.
Sandy's theory is that because the amount of caps you have should correspond to how good you are in comparison to previous players at International level. A completely flaws argument.
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But I thought the modern era was supposed to have the greatest ever players, and no player from the 20th century was anywhere near as good as today's players.
I think Henderson disproves that idea.
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Where did I say that?
Like I say though, it's incomparable. Would a modern day footballer last in the 80's? Probably not no. Would an 80's footballer last in the modern day? Probably not no.
There are aspects from both era's that are "better" than the corresponding one. I think you just need to give your head an almighty wobble.
posted on 16/11/20
Dunc Mason. Stick to the article, otherwise you will be deleted, especially if you just post an agenda about me.
posted on 16/11/20
Comment deleted by Article Creator
posted on 16/11/20
has just drawn level with Jimmy Greaves on 57 England caps, and has still to score for his country
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He did score an own goal once
In all seriousness, all modern players have inflated cap numbers because of the volume of friendlies and qualifiers compared to previous eras.
The record scorer for every major nation is a modern player, except Brazil where Pele still has the record but Neymar Jr is close to breaking it.
posted on 16/11/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
That's embarrassing that Hendo has played for England so many times.Donkey wouldn't get in France or Belgium squad.
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wouldn't be sure of that. Sissoko and bakayoko have played for france. Fellaini has loads of caps for belgium
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Fellaini in his prime was much better than Henderson.
posted on 16/11/20
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
That's embarrassing that Hendo has played for England so many times.Donkey wouldn't get in France or Belgium squad.
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wouldn't be sure of that. Sissoko and bakayoko have played for france. Fellaini has loads of caps for belgium
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Fellaini in his prime was much better than Henderson.
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that prime of 6 months at everton?
posted on 16/11/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
That's embarrassing that Hendo has played for England so many times.Donkey wouldn't get in France or Belgium squad.
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wouldn't be sure of that. Sissoko and bakayoko have played for france. Fellaini has loads of caps for belgium
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Fellaini in his prime was much better than Henderson.
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that prime of 6 months at everton?
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*more effective that Henderson
he played a completely contrasting role at his 'prime'
posted on 16/11/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
That's embarrassing that Hendo has played for England so many times.Donkey wouldn't get in France or Belgium squad.
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wouldn't be sure of that. Sissoko and bakayoko have played for france. Fellaini has loads of caps for belgium
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Fellaini in his prime was much better than Henderson.
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that prime of 6 months at everton?
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Yeah the 2012-13 season at Everton and that 14-15 season when LVG was United manager
posted on 16/11/20
AS phenom said maybe he was more effective, but he was basically just duncan ferguson with a wig. Henderson a more accomplished player.
posted on 16/11/20
Henderson never even scored a goal for England. Billy Nicholson scored in every England game he played.
posted on 16/11/20
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
com.
One thing I would say in response to your list though, Glenn Hoddle was criminally underused by England.
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Listened to Ray Wilkins once, he was chosen ahead of Hoddle for England, even he said he was surprised as Hoddle was brilliant. Said it was criminal he was chosen over him.
With Hendo I think he fits LFC to T. Thrives in that set up and is exactly the work horse that is required. For England the set up is such that I don't think it does him any favours
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