Maradona was also an alcoholic

Then I’m afraid you will never understand then. I have no reason to go through drug use just to understand if it’s addictive or not, that’s not how it works at all. People have lost loved ones to cocaine addiction, it is heavily researched and there’s no reason to be so ignorant towards it.

Feel lucky you didn’t fall to the same fate as thousands of others who did fall into addiction.

This has been a fun read.

comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 2 minutes ago
You will say cocaine is not addictive, based on your own personal experience of it.

Think of the thousands of people who have lost loved ones to cocaine addiction, you cannot disprove any of this. You cannot make sweeping statements on something so heavily researched simply based on you doing a bit with your mates.
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Well firstly, Western Science in general is heavily funded by governments, particularly university studies where they are funded with a desired outcome/conclusion to their research emphasised by the government.

Take the UK for example, we have been for many many years very anti-drugs coming from the things the government say and the laws they make or refuse to change, compare that to somewhere like Canada or Portugal.

Many research papers would state that Marijuana is more addictive than Cocaine, yet this hasn't stopped Canada legalising it or the many many states in the US.

Fact of the matter is people can get addicted to pretty much anything these days, you can't live your life in fear. If you have a minimal amount of willpower and don't have some psychological condition or predisposition to become highly addicted to something then you are not going to try cocaine once or twice and end up ruining your life, the majority of people are not going to get addicted to it.

So yeah, I'm not denying that many lives have been ruined by cocaine (although, I'd be curious for someone to cross-reference that with crack cocaine because they are often confused). I can guarantee you though that many many more lives have been ruined by alcohol addiction than cocaine, so where do you draw the line in the sand?

comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 1 minute ago
Then I’m afraid you will never understand then. I have no reason to go through drug use just to understand if it’s addictive or not, that’s not how it works at all. People have lost loved ones to cocaine addiction, it is heavily researched and there’s no reason to be so ignorant towards it.

Feel lucky you didn’t fall to the same fate as thousands of others who did fall into addiction.
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Christ almighty Whatever then.

You'll never truly understand something unless you buy the t-shirt yourself sunshine.

comment by You Can't Buy Class - IDHT2EU (U12019)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 2 minutes ago
You will say cocaine is not addictive, based on your own personal experience of it.

Think of the thousands of people who have lost loved ones to cocaine addiction, you cannot disprove any of this. You cannot make sweeping statements on something so heavily researched simply based on you doing a bit with your mates.
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Well firstly, Western Science in general is heavily funded by governments, particularly university studies where they are funded with a desired outcome/conclusion to their research emphasised by the government.

Take the UK for example, we have been for many many years very anti-drugs coming from the things the government say and the laws they make or refuse to change, compare that to somewhere like Canada or Portugal.

Many research papers would state that Marijuana is more addictive than Cocaine, yet this hasn't stopped Canada legalising it or the many many states in the US.

Fact of the matter is people can get addicted to pretty much anything these days, you can't live your life in fear. If you have a minimal amount of willpower and don't have some psychological condition or predisposition to become highly addicted to something then you are not going to try cocaine once or twice and end up ruining your life, the majority of people are not going to get addicted to it.

So yeah, I'm not denying that many lives have been ruined by cocaine (although, I'd be curious for someone to cross-reference that with crack cocaine because they are often confused). I can guarantee you though that many many more lives have been ruined by alcohol addiction than cocaine, so where do you draw the line in the sand?
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The is wasn’t what I was arguing at all though. You’ve just said many lives have been effected by cocaine, but your whole argument is that cocaine is not addictive at all, based on your own experiences.

"Feel lucky you didn’t fall to the same fate as thousands of others who did fall into addiction."

Not really, thousands may have fallen into addiction, millions tried it and didn't, that's why it's not that addictive

If you are "unlucky" or "weak" then yeah, maybe you take that path with cocaine.

comment by You Can't Buy Class - IDHT2EU (U12019)
posted 16 seconds ago
"Feel lucky you didn’t fall to the same fate as thousands of others who did fall into addiction."

Not really, thousands may have fallen into addiction, millions tried it and didn't, that's why it's not that addictive

If you are "unlucky" or "weak" then yeah, maybe you take that path with cocaine.
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The ignorance is all yours my friend.

The truth you mean.

Well this had been fun, just off to rack up some lines.

You know what it's like with Coke having tried it yourself, once you pop you can't stop.

Still yet to provide any evidence for your claims.

*has

Oh dear spelling mistakes.

Time for bed ?

The evidence is all around you pal, if you choose not to see it though that's your choice.

Let's make this simple.

Give 100 normal people free cocaine, how many of them ruin their lives? Around 2.

comment by You Can't Buy Class - IDHT2EU (U12019)
posted 25 seconds ago
The evidence is all around you pal, if you choose not to see it though that's your choice.

Let's make this simple.

Give 100 normal people free cocaine, how many of them ruin their lives? Around 2.
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What evidence do you have for these claims?

What am I suppose to be seeing?

Back in my day, it was pricing and the ready availability of far cheaper options that got people hooked on other drugs instead of coke. Cocaine addiction was a lot more common amongst high-flyers for a reason.

Is speed still on the go, boy I had some weekends on that Shiíte

comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class - IDHT2EU (U12019)
posted 25 seconds ago
The evidence is all around you pal, if you choose not to see it though that's your choice.

Let's make this simple.

Give 100 normal people free cocaine, how many of them ruin their lives? Around 2.
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What evidence do you have for these claims?
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In total I can think of around 50 people who I know have tried Cocaine or used to do it infrequently and I'm not talking 1 or 2 lines, I'm talking a 2-3 day bender.

Only one of those people ended up "ruining their life" to drug addiction, and it wasn't even cocaine.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 2 minutes ago
Back in my day, it was pricing and the ready availability of far cheaper options that got people hooked on other drugs instead of coke. Cocaine addiction was a lot more common amongst high-flyers for a reason.
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Yep, as someone mentioned on this topic earlier, it's very widespread in the UK these days and much cheaper, it's used recreationally by millions of UK citizens.

Benny did/do you know someone personally who suffered/suffers with drug addiction?

I don't know about Benny, but I did/do (know people personally).

My sister tried unsuccessfully for more than three years to get her then boyfriend to kick his coke addiction. He was in rehab and psychiatric treatment, but kept on going back. She dumped him in the end for her own sanity.

Another sister of mine came dangerously close to cocaine addiction. She worked in the music industry and was in relationship with a well-kniwn singer. They did it on a daily basis. Her way out, finally, was to leave the boyfriend, the music business, and emigrate.

comment by You Can't Buy Class - IDHT2EU (U12019)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Mustn't grumble (U11551)
posted 46 seconds ago
Haven't read most of the thread but is somebody actually arguing that Cocaine isn't addictive?
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He did nearly two lines a year for over 12 years. Oxford has commissioned a statue.
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Two lines a year? Ok Donald...

You're only serving to prove my point though, if it was actually addictive, I wouldn't have been able to stop at two would I.
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Judging by your comments it sounds like you are still pretty heavy into it

Well it's been well over 3 years since I last had a coke-night and I have no plans to have one anytime soon, if that's "heavy into it" then that's news to me.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 minutes ago
I don't know about Benny, but I did/do (know people personally).

My sister tried unsuccessfully for more than three years to get her then boyfriend to kick his coke addiction. He was in rehab and psychiatric treatment, but kept on going back. She dumped him in the end for her own sanity.

Another sister of mine came dangerously close to cocaine addiction. She worked in the music industry and was in relationship with a well-kniwn singer. They did it on a daily basis. Her way out, finally, was to leave the boyfriend, the music business, and emigrate.
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Sorry to hear that, I can understand you having a different opinion on just how addictive it is based on those experiences.

comment by You Can't Buy Class - IDHT2EU (U12019)
posted 18 minutes ago
Sorry to hear that, I can understand you having a different opinion on just how addictive it is based on those experiences.
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You needn't be. Drugs, whether legal or illegal, smiled or frowned upon by governments and society, are ubiquitous. Look at the opioid crisis in the States, or how readily available alcohol is in most parts. Dietary addictions like sugar, which activates the same regions of the brain as cocaine. And what about all the behavioural addictions: compulsive shopping, gaming, gambling...even social media addictions. They all predate on fears and insecurities that we've had drummed into us, and there's someone making an absolute bomb behind each one of them.

It's just that different people have different levels of susceptibility due to a combination of genetic and experiential factors.

As an individual, the trouble is that you don't really know where you lie when you start out, and don't know either how stuff you've done semi-regularly for years might affect you later in life.

That's true of pretty much every drug, and you'll generally find that past a certain point, people who do have hard addictions will end up latching onto almost anything.

Those are just a couple of cases related to coke that I've seen at close quarters, I've just remembered another bloke who developed a persecutory delusion after years of coke abuse - then again, another mate developed the same delusion after years of doing weed basically from dusk till dawn.

I just think that those of us who've been fortunate enough to have escaped the most serious impacts of addictions shouldn't be piling blame on those who haven't been able to making out that they were making a free choice. Freedom of choice is an illusion. We've been pummelled from birth with millions of messages about happiness and consumption. We've just been lucky or unlucky to have had our genes and childhoods we've had instead of theirs.