And with that, I'm calling it a night. Ta-ta.
"
Why we should feel anything more for a drug addled footballing cheat than for any of the others is beyond me."
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When Paul Gascoigne die, will you hold same feelings or your patriotism mask your liberal feelings?
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class - IDHT2EU (U12019)
posted 18 minutes ago
Sorry to hear that, I can understand you having a different opinion on just how addictive it is based on those experiences.
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You needn't be. Drugs, whether legal or illegal, smiled or frowned upon by governments and society, are ubiquitous. Look at the opioid crisis in the States, or how readily available alcohol is in most parts. Dietary addictions like sugar, which activates the same regions of the brain as cocaine. And what about all the behavioural addictions: compulsive shopping, gaming, gambling...even social media addictions. They all predate on fears and insecurities that we've had drummed into us, and there's someone making an absolute bomb behind each one of them.
It's just that different people have different levels of susceptibility due to a combination of genetic and experiential factors.
As an individual, the trouble is that you don't really know where you lie when you start out, and don't know either how stuff you've done semi-regularly for years might affect you later in life.
That's true of pretty much every drug, and you'll generally find that past a certain point, people who do have hard addictions will end up latching onto almost anything.
Those are just a couple of cases related to coke that I've seen at close quarters, I've just remembered another bloke who developed a persecutory delusion after years of coke abuse - then again, another mate developed the same delusion after years of doing weed basically from dusk till dawn.
I just think that those of us who've been fortunate enough to have escaped the most serious impacts of addictions shouldn't be piling blame on those who haven't been able to making out that they were making a free choice. Freedom of choice is an illusion. We've been pummelled from birth with millions of messages about happiness and consumption. We've just been lucky or unlucky to have had our genes and childhoods we've had instead of theirs.
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nonsense... Someone is addicted to pepsi/coke is not a threat to the society as much as a coke addict...
It's like comparing bicycle accident to crashing your car in a pond..
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 9 hours ago
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 minutes ago
Is that the same Geoff Hurst who spoke of his concern about kids heading footballs a couple days ago?
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Those are just a couple of cases related to coke that I've seen at close quarters, I've just remembered another bloke who developed a persecutory delusion after years of coke abuse - then again, another mate developed the same delusion after years of doing weed basically from dusk till dawn.
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I know people who have smoked weed pretty much all their life and not suffered any of these conditions. If someone smokes weed for years, then how can you be sure that the weed caused the delusion? Maybe he was depressed otnhad some other issues.
Also, in my experience a lot of people allow the world to know they smoke weed because there is led stigma now, but some have some other drug they use on the low donin addition to the weed.When sheet hits the fan people just blame the weed.
Furthermore, too much of anything is poisonous. If you take vitamins from dusk till dawn, they'll kill you faster than smoking weed from dusk till dawn. So the manner of usage is also vital to look at.
comment by Kingdom of Davids (U21957)
posted 5 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class - IDHT2EU (U12019)
posted 18 minutes ago
Sorry to hear that, I can understand you having a different opinion on just how addictive it is based on those experiences.
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You needn't be. Drugs, whether legal or illegal, smiled or frowned upon by governments and society, are ubiquitous. Look at the opioid crisis in the States, or how readily available alcohol is in most parts. Dietary addictions like sugar, which activates the same regions of the brain as cocaine. And what about all the behavioural addictions: compulsive shopping, gaming, gambling...even social media addictions. They all predate on fears and insecurities that we've had drummed into us, and there's someone making an absolute bomb behind each one of them.
It's just that different people have different levels of susceptibility due to a combination of genetic and experiential factors.
As an individual, the trouble is that you don't really know where you lie when you start out, and don't know either how stuff you've done semi-regularly for years might affect you later in life.
That's true of pretty much every drug, and you'll generally find that past a certain point, people who do have hard addictions will end up latching onto almost anything.
Those are just a couple of cases related to coke that I've seen at close quarters, I've just remembered another bloke who developed a persecutory delusion after years of coke abuse - then again, another mate developed the same delusion after years of doing weed basically from dusk till dawn.
I just think that those of us who've been fortunate enough to have escaped the most serious impacts of addictions shouldn't be piling blame on those who haven't been able to making out that they were making a free choice. Freedom of choice is an illusion. We've been pummelled from birth with millions of messages about happiness and consumption. We've just been lucky or unlucky to have had our genes and childhoods we've had instead of theirs.
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nonsense... Someone is addicted to pepsi/coke is not a threat to the society as much as a coke addict...
It's like comparing bicycle accident to crashing your car in a pond..
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Wtf
You could get killed in a bike accident... quite easily
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
Those are just a couple of cases related to coke that I've seen at close quarters, I've just remembered another bloke who developed a persecutory delusion after years of coke abuse - then again, another mate developed the same delusion after years of doing weed basically from dusk till dawn.
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I know people who have smoked weed pretty much all their life and not suffered any of these conditions. If someone smokes weed for years, then how can you be sure that the weed caused the delusion? Maybe he was depressed otnhad some other issues.
Also, in my experience a lot of people allow the world to know they smoke weed because there is led stigma now, but some have some other drug they use on the low donin addition to the weed.When sheet hits the fan people just blame the weed.
Furthermore, too much of anything is poisonous. If you take vitamins from dusk till dawn, they'll kill you faster than smoking weed from dusk till dawn. So the manner of usage is also vital to look at.
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I don't mean to demonise weed. I know people like that too and who, as you say, are fine after decades of heavy use. I kicked smoking myself regularly years ago, simply because I was getting more and more paranoid and no longer enjoyed it that much. I was fortunate that I'd never been drawn in so heavily and didn't have much problem packing it in. It doesn't mean I won't have a pull every now and then nowadays, and I have no problem with my kid doing it (we've shared a joint on occasion) because I've done my best to make sure he's educated on the topic and that he is comfortable enough talking about his drug consumption openly with us. I'd add too that in my personal experience it's one of the less addictive drugs, far less so than alcohol, for example.
The issue, as I said earlier is that we rarely know our susceptibility nor where our own personal tipping points lie.
As regards my mate, it's true, no one can say for sure it was the weed. He did other stuff too, albeit on a less regular, less heavy basis.
However, weed has long been known by science to be a potential trigger of psychotic disorders, so whether or not it was the trigger in this particular case is somewhat moot. (As an aside, the persecutory complex was linked to the fact he grew sizeable amounts of weed on an open rooftop and his delusion was that he was being secretly tracked by the police because of it, but that doesn'tmean of course that the weed triggered it in terms of his use of it.)
Yes, anything in too much quantity can kill you. But the topic here is precisely substance abuse, not use.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class - IDHT2EU (U12019)
posted 18 minutes ago
Sorry to hear that, I can understand you having a different opinion on just how addictive it is based on those experiences.
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You needn't be. Drugs, whether legal or illegal, smiled or frowned upon by governments and society, are ubiquitous. Look at the opioid crisis in the States, or how readily available alcohol is in most parts. Dietary addictions like sugar, which activates the same regions of the brain as cocaine. And what about all the behavioural addictions: compulsive shopping, gaming, gambling...even social media addictions. They all predate on fears and insecurities that we've had drummed into us, and there's someone making an absolute bomb behind each one of them.
It's just that different people have different levels of susceptibility due to a combination of genetic and experiential factors.
As an individual, the trouble is that you don't really know where you lie when you start out, and don't know either how stuff you've done semi-regularly for years might affect you later in life.
That's true of pretty much every drug, and you'll generally find that past a certain point, people who do have hard addictions will end up latching onto almost anything.
Those are just a couple of cases related to coke that I've seen at close quarters, I've just remembered another bloke who developed a persecutory delusion after years of coke abuse - then again, another mate developed the same delusion after years of doing weed basically from dusk till dawn.
I just think that those of us who've been fortunate enough to have escaped the most serious impacts of addictions shouldn't be piling blame on those who haven't been able to making out that they were making a free choice. Freedom of choice is an illusion. We've been pummelled from birth with millions of messages about happiness and consumption. We've just been lucky or unlucky to have had our genes and childhoods we've had instead of theirs.
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Incredibly well said
West Ham fan, Would explain it to be fair, Have some respect, Idiot.
comment by Kingdom of Davids (U21957)
posted 6 hours, 37 minutes ago
nonsense... Someone is addicted to pepsi/coke is not a threat to the society as much as a coke addict...
It's like comparing bicycle accident to crashing your car in a pond..
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Weird that that's what you took from that comment, because it's not what I meant or what we were discussing...at all!
It's another interesting discussion to be had, nevertheless.
If you're talking threat in terms of crime, then I'd argue that the greatest problem related to illegal drugs has to with prohibition and accessibility rather than the consequences of the drug in and of itself, even while recognising that someone high on cocaine can be more dangerous than someone high on, er, coke. This has been borne out in a number of countries that have run programmes to ensure addicts a ready and safe supply of the drugs they're addicted to.
Secondly, if we're talking not just in terms of crime but also about the societal impact of sugar addiction, it's absolutely massive in industrialised nations, where obesity is one of the leading factors of mortality and morbidity due to its role and impact on heart disease, diabetes, respiratory illnesses and a whole host of other conditions.
For the haters out there, Maradona will be remembered forever.
Will you be?
Maybe I will be remembered for a generation.
But in England, he will always be remembered as a cheat.
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 26 minutes ago
Maybe I will be remembered for a generation.
But in England, he will always be remembered as a cheat.
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Just like Thierry Henri then?
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
Maybe I will be remembered for a generation.
But in England, he will always be remembered as a cheat.
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No he won't
comment by CromulentMart (U1286)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 26 minutes ago
Maybe I will be remembered for a generation.
But in England, he will always be remembered as a cheat.
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Just like Thierry Henri then?
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Most people in England remember Henry for his brilliance at Arsenal. Doubt many give a shiiiit about his handball unless their parents or Irish.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by CromulentMart (U1286)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 26 minutes ago
Maybe I will be remembered for a generation.
But in England, he will always be remembered as a cheat.
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Just like Thierry Henri then?
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Most people in England remember Henry for his brilliance at Arsenal. Doubt many give a shiiiit about his handball unless their parents or Irish.
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Yep but that's what's pertinent. No-one outside of England will give a shiiiiiiiiiiit about that one handlball.
Butt-hurt English “men” are the only ones I have seen who have anything derogatory to say about the passing of arguably one of footballs greatest ever players.
As a Welshman, I have no problem saying that he was an absolute footballing genius, and it’s a shame that his lifestyle and addictions led to his premature death.
Imagine there were a few Brazilians that weren’t happy about it. That said, like many Englishman, in fact, they’ll have gotten over it.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
Maybe I will be remembered for a generation.
But in England, he will always be remembered as a cheat.
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No he won't
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He will and he is. Its the first thing that any English man thinks about on hearing his name. How good he was comes second. His off the field lifestyle 3rd.
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Tbf, he didn’t say all he will be remembered as is a cheat.
I think Maradona’s cheating ways and football brilliance are synonymous with the man. There’s obviously levels to how much people care, but I don’t think it changes the fact.
That England game is his most iconic game. It perfectly encapsulates Maradona as a player with the two most memorable moments in world cup history - the hand of god (his cheating) and THAT goal (his genius with a football).
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
Maybe I will be remembered for a generation.
But in England, he will always be remembered as a cheat.
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No he won't
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He will and he is. Its the first thing that any English man thinks about on hearing his name. How good he was comes second. His off the field lifestyle 3rd.
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Two different points though. First one was "all he will be remembered as is a cheat". That clearly isn't true. In fact, you have literally listed two other things that he will be remembered as.
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That is true.
That small word "all" is important.
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posted on 26/11/20
And with that, I'm calling it a night. Ta-ta.
posted on 26/11/20
"
Why we should feel anything more for a drug addled footballing cheat than for any of the others is beyond me."
-------_--------
When Paul Gascoigne die, will you hold same feelings or your patriotism mask your liberal feelings?
posted on 26/11/20
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class - IDHT2EU (U12019)
posted 18 minutes ago
Sorry to hear that, I can understand you having a different opinion on just how addictive it is based on those experiences.
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You needn't be. Drugs, whether legal or illegal, smiled or frowned upon by governments and society, are ubiquitous. Look at the opioid crisis in the States, or how readily available alcohol is in most parts. Dietary addictions like sugar, which activates the same regions of the brain as cocaine. And what about all the behavioural addictions: compulsive shopping, gaming, gambling...even social media addictions. They all predate on fears and insecurities that we've had drummed into us, and there's someone making an absolute bomb behind each one of them.
It's just that different people have different levels of susceptibility due to a combination of genetic and experiential factors.
As an individual, the trouble is that you don't really know where you lie when you start out, and don't know either how stuff you've done semi-regularly for years might affect you later in life.
That's true of pretty much every drug, and you'll generally find that past a certain point, people who do have hard addictions will end up latching onto almost anything.
Those are just a couple of cases related to coke that I've seen at close quarters, I've just remembered another bloke who developed a persecutory delusion after years of coke abuse - then again, another mate developed the same delusion after years of doing weed basically from dusk till dawn.
I just think that those of us who've been fortunate enough to have escaped the most serious impacts of addictions shouldn't be piling blame on those who haven't been able to making out that they were making a free choice. Freedom of choice is an illusion. We've been pummelled from birth with millions of messages about happiness and consumption. We've just been lucky or unlucky to have had our genes and childhoods we've had instead of theirs.
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nonsense... Someone is addicted to pepsi/coke is not a threat to the society as much as a coke addict...
It's like comparing bicycle accident to crashing your car in a pond..
posted on 26/11/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 9 hours ago
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 minutes ago
Is that the same Geoff Hurst who spoke of his concern about kids heading footballs a couple days ago?
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posted on 26/11/20
Those are just a couple of cases related to coke that I've seen at close quarters, I've just remembered another bloke who developed a persecutory delusion after years of coke abuse - then again, another mate developed the same delusion after years of doing weed basically from dusk till dawn.
-----
I know people who have smoked weed pretty much all their life and not suffered any of these conditions. If someone smokes weed for years, then how can you be sure that the weed caused the delusion? Maybe he was depressed otnhad some other issues.
Also, in my experience a lot of people allow the world to know they smoke weed because there is led stigma now, but some have some other drug they use on the low donin addition to the weed.When sheet hits the fan people just blame the weed.
Furthermore, too much of anything is poisonous. If you take vitamins from dusk till dawn, they'll kill you faster than smoking weed from dusk till dawn. So the manner of usage is also vital to look at.
posted on 26/11/20
comment by Kingdom of Davids (U21957)
posted 5 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class - IDHT2EU (U12019)
posted 18 minutes ago
Sorry to hear that, I can understand you having a different opinion on just how addictive it is based on those experiences.
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You needn't be. Drugs, whether legal or illegal, smiled or frowned upon by governments and society, are ubiquitous. Look at the opioid crisis in the States, or how readily available alcohol is in most parts. Dietary addictions like sugar, which activates the same regions of the brain as cocaine. And what about all the behavioural addictions: compulsive shopping, gaming, gambling...even social media addictions. They all predate on fears and insecurities that we've had drummed into us, and there's someone making an absolute bomb behind each one of them.
It's just that different people have different levels of susceptibility due to a combination of genetic and experiential factors.
As an individual, the trouble is that you don't really know where you lie when you start out, and don't know either how stuff you've done semi-regularly for years might affect you later in life.
That's true of pretty much every drug, and you'll generally find that past a certain point, people who do have hard addictions will end up latching onto almost anything.
Those are just a couple of cases related to coke that I've seen at close quarters, I've just remembered another bloke who developed a persecutory delusion after years of coke abuse - then again, another mate developed the same delusion after years of doing weed basically from dusk till dawn.
I just think that those of us who've been fortunate enough to have escaped the most serious impacts of addictions shouldn't be piling blame on those who haven't been able to making out that they were making a free choice. Freedom of choice is an illusion. We've been pummelled from birth with millions of messages about happiness and consumption. We've just been lucky or unlucky to have had our genes and childhoods we've had instead of theirs.
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nonsense... Someone is addicted to pepsi/coke is not a threat to the society as much as a coke addict...
It's like comparing bicycle accident to crashing your car in a pond..
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Wtf
You could get killed in a bike accident... quite easily
posted on 26/11/20
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
Those are just a couple of cases related to coke that I've seen at close quarters, I've just remembered another bloke who developed a persecutory delusion after years of coke abuse - then again, another mate developed the same delusion after years of doing weed basically from dusk till dawn.
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I know people who have smoked weed pretty much all their life and not suffered any of these conditions. If someone smokes weed for years, then how can you be sure that the weed caused the delusion? Maybe he was depressed otnhad some other issues.
Also, in my experience a lot of people allow the world to know they smoke weed because there is led stigma now, but some have some other drug they use on the low donin addition to the weed.When sheet hits the fan people just blame the weed.
Furthermore, too much of anything is poisonous. If you take vitamins from dusk till dawn, they'll kill you faster than smoking weed from dusk till dawn. So the manner of usage is also vital to look at.
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I don't mean to demonise weed. I know people like that too and who, as you say, are fine after decades of heavy use. I kicked smoking myself regularly years ago, simply because I was getting more and more paranoid and no longer enjoyed it that much. I was fortunate that I'd never been drawn in so heavily and didn't have much problem packing it in. It doesn't mean I won't have a pull every now and then nowadays, and I have no problem with my kid doing it (we've shared a joint on occasion) because I've done my best to make sure he's educated on the topic and that he is comfortable enough talking about his drug consumption openly with us. I'd add too that in my personal experience it's one of the less addictive drugs, far less so than alcohol, for example.
The issue, as I said earlier is that we rarely know our susceptibility nor where our own personal tipping points lie.
As regards my mate, it's true, no one can say for sure it was the weed. He did other stuff too, albeit on a less regular, less heavy basis.
However, weed has long been known by science to be a potential trigger of psychotic disorders, so whether or not it was the trigger in this particular case is somewhat moot. (As an aside, the persecutory complex was linked to the fact he grew sizeable amounts of weed on an open rooftop and his delusion was that he was being secretly tracked by the police because of it, but that doesn'tmean of course that the weed triggered it in terms of his use of it.)
Yes, anything in too much quantity can kill you. But the topic here is precisely substance abuse, not use.
posted on 26/11/20
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class - IDHT2EU (U12019)
posted 18 minutes ago
Sorry to hear that, I can understand you having a different opinion on just how addictive it is based on those experiences.
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You needn't be. Drugs, whether legal or illegal, smiled or frowned upon by governments and society, are ubiquitous. Look at the opioid crisis in the States, or how readily available alcohol is in most parts. Dietary addictions like sugar, which activates the same regions of the brain as cocaine. And what about all the behavioural addictions: compulsive shopping, gaming, gambling...even social media addictions. They all predate on fears and insecurities that we've had drummed into us, and there's someone making an absolute bomb behind each one of them.
It's just that different people have different levels of susceptibility due to a combination of genetic and experiential factors.
As an individual, the trouble is that you don't really know where you lie when you start out, and don't know either how stuff you've done semi-regularly for years might affect you later in life.
That's true of pretty much every drug, and you'll generally find that past a certain point, people who do have hard addictions will end up latching onto almost anything.
Those are just a couple of cases related to coke that I've seen at close quarters, I've just remembered another bloke who developed a persecutory delusion after years of coke abuse - then again, another mate developed the same delusion after years of doing weed basically from dusk till dawn.
I just think that those of us who've been fortunate enough to have escaped the most serious impacts of addictions shouldn't be piling blame on those who haven't been able to making out that they were making a free choice. Freedom of choice is an illusion. We've been pummelled from birth with millions of messages about happiness and consumption. We've just been lucky or unlucky to have had our genes and childhoods we've had instead of theirs.
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Incredibly well said
posted on 26/11/20
D!ckhead.
posted on 26/11/20
West Ham fan, Would explain it to be fair, Have some respect, Idiot.
posted on 26/11/20
comment by Kingdom of Davids (U21957)
posted 6 hours, 37 minutes ago
nonsense... Someone is addicted to pepsi/coke is not a threat to the society as much as a coke addict...
It's like comparing bicycle accident to crashing your car in a pond..
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Weird that that's what you took from that comment, because it's not what I meant or what we were discussing...at all!
It's another interesting discussion to be had, nevertheless.
If you're talking threat in terms of crime, then I'd argue that the greatest problem related to illegal drugs has to with prohibition and accessibility rather than the consequences of the drug in and of itself, even while recognising that someone high on cocaine can be more dangerous than someone high on, er, coke. This has been borne out in a number of countries that have run programmes to ensure addicts a ready and safe supply of the drugs they're addicted to.
Secondly, if we're talking not just in terms of crime but also about the societal impact of sugar addiction, it's absolutely massive in industrialised nations, where obesity is one of the leading factors of mortality and morbidity due to its role and impact on heart disease, diabetes, respiratory illnesses and a whole host of other conditions.
posted on 26/11/20
For the haters out there, Maradona will be remembered forever.
Will you be?
posted on 26/11/20
Maybe I will be remembered for a generation.
But in England, he will always be remembered as a cheat.
posted on 26/11/20
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 26 minutes ago
Maybe I will be remembered for a generation.
But in England, he will always be remembered as a cheat.
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Just like Thierry Henri then?
posted on 26/11/20
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
Maybe I will be remembered for a generation.
But in England, he will always be remembered as a cheat.
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No he won't
posted on 26/11/20
comment by CromulentMart (U1286)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 26 minutes ago
Maybe I will be remembered for a generation.
But in England, he will always be remembered as a cheat.
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Just like Thierry Henri then?
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Most people in England remember Henry for his brilliance at Arsenal. Doubt many give a shiiiit about his handball unless their parents or Irish.
posted on 26/11/20
*are
posted on 26/11/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by CromulentMart (U1286)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 26 minutes ago
Maybe I will be remembered for a generation.
But in England, he will always be remembered as a cheat.
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Just like Thierry Henri then?
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Most people in England remember Henry for his brilliance at Arsenal. Doubt many give a shiiiit about his handball unless their parents or Irish.
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Yep but that's what's pertinent. No-one outside of England will give a shiiiiiiiiiiit about that one handlball.
posted on 26/11/20
Butt-hurt English “men” are the only ones I have seen who have anything derogatory to say about the passing of arguably one of footballs greatest ever players.
As a Welshman, I have no problem saying that he was an absolute footballing genius, and it’s a shame that his lifestyle and addictions led to his premature death.
posted on 26/11/20
Imagine there were a few Brazilians that weren’t happy about it. That said, like many Englishman, in fact, they’ll have gotten over it.
posted on 26/11/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
Maybe I will be remembered for a generation.
But in England, he will always be remembered as a cheat.
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No he won't
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He will and he is. Its the first thing that any English man thinks about on hearing his name. How good he was comes second. His off the field lifestyle 3rd.
posted on 26/11/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 26/11/20
Tbf, he didn’t say all he will be remembered as is a cheat.
I think Maradona’s cheating ways and football brilliance are synonymous with the man. There’s obviously levels to how much people care, but I don’t think it changes the fact.
That England game is his most iconic game. It perfectly encapsulates Maradona as a player with the two most memorable moments in world cup history - the hand of god (his cheating) and THAT goal (his genius with a football).
posted on 26/11/20
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
Maybe I will be remembered for a generation.
But in England, he will always be remembered as a cheat.
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No he won't
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He will and he is. Its the first thing that any English man thinks about on hearing his name. How good he was comes second. His off the field lifestyle 3rd.
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Two different points though. First one was "all he will be remembered as is a cheat". That clearly isn't true. In fact, you have literally listed two other things that he will be remembered as.
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That is true.
posted on 26/11/20
That small word "all" is important.
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