I can’t believe Cavani tweeted that. Not because I believe it was particularly meant to be offensive but it’s inconceivable that he doesn’t know the context and history. It’s utterly idiotic.
Saurez screamed the N word towards Evra while biting a chunk out of Patrice's arm
It was not meant as a term of endearment you scousers!
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
I can’t believe Cavani tweeted that. Not because I believe it was particularly meant to be offensive but it’s inconceivable that he doesn’t know the context and history. It’s utterly idiotic.
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So the lesson to be learned here, is don't speak spanish if you play in an english league?
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
I can’t believe Cavani tweeted that. Not because I believe it was particularly meant to be offensive but it’s inconceivable that he doesn’t know the context and history. It’s utterly idiotic.
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South Americans are known to be casually racist
Does not condone it though. It was quite simply idiotic for him to post it in the way he did.
Look I don't want to see the guy banned, he will be though I'd have thought.
No doubt my posts are in retrospect to Suarez but I've seen so many polarised views on Suarez, yeah, I find this funny. I may as well admit that I think Evra at the very least embellished things and I cant say the process looked to have much parity either.
As always there's a middle ground though and I think culturally it's hard. We hear Suarez use that phrase in our language and contextually I personally hear the N word and not much else. I cant really imagine it meaning anything else but it clearly does in Uruguay and as such I find the vilification wrong.
It's pretty clear you can't say it here though so ironically the context stance may need a bit of levity for all.
Here's my understanding of this, in bullet-point form. It is a long time since 2010/11, so if I am wrong on any of these, it is not malicious and I am happy to be corrected.
1) S + E argued during the game at Anfield.
2) During that exchange, S referred to E as "n-----o" (according to Robbing, S admitted this?)
3) In Uruguayan culture, this word is not always offensive and is sometimes used between friends.
4) However, the word also directly references skin-colour.
5) In the 21st century, if you reference someone's skin colour while ARGUING with them, even if the word itself might not have been meant in a racist manner, you are likely to find yourself in some trouble.
6) S was subsequently banned and fined.
7) Cavani used the same word to thank an Instagram follower who'd praised his performance.
If I've misunderstood any of this, genuine apologies, but I cannot see how this is "gymnastics" or "cringeworthy" at all. Context is CRUCIAL in language. I've also said, repeatedly, that I expect Cavani to get a one-game ban and would accept that. I've also said I don't think either player is racist but that you can see why the same word would be interpreted differently, given the polar-opposite nature of the contexts.
comment by Chelsea_badger (U22493)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
I can’t believe Cavani tweeted that. Not because I believe it was particularly meant to be offensive but it’s inconceivable that he doesn’t know the context and history. It’s utterly idiotic.
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So the lesson to be learned here, is don't speak spanish if you play in an english league?
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No the lesson is to be aware of the culture and environment you live in and be mindful of it. Some things you may consider acceptable might not be to those you live amongst. That is especially true if there is a hugely high profile case involving the exact same world with your compatriot and teammate.
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 5 minutes ago
I can’t believe Cavani tweeted that. Not because I believe it was particularly meant to be offensive but it’s inconceivable that he doesn’t know the context and history. It’s utterly idiotic.
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I tend to agree with that. "A short memory" is the best excuse I could make.
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 8 seconds ago
Look I don't want to see the guy banned, he will be though I'd have thought.
No doubt my posts are in retrospect to Suarez but I've seen so many polarised views on Suarez, yeah, I find this funny. I may as well admit that I think Evra at the very least embellished things and I cant say the process looked to have much parity either.
As always there's a middle ground though and I think culturally it's hard. We hear Suarez use that phrase in our language and contextually I personally hear the N word and not much else. I cant really imagine it meaning anything else but it clearly does in Uruguay and as such I find the vilification wrong.
It's pretty clear you can't say it here though so ironically the context stance may need a bit of levity for all.
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You really are something else
Evra a black guy embellished the fact he was called the N word by a non black during a confrontation with Saurez?
Give up while you're behind
Now you will tell me every racist incident is an embellishment by the victim?
Utter joke.
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 8 seconds ago
Look I don't want to see the guy banned, he will be though I'd have thought.
No doubt my posts are in retrospect to Suarez but I've seen so many polarised views on Suarez, yeah, I find this funny. I may as well admit that I think Evra at the very least embellished things and I cant say the process looked to have much parity either.
As always there's a middle ground though and I think culturally it's hard. We hear Suarez use that phrase in our language and contextually I personally hear the N word and not much else. I cant really imagine it meaning anything else but it clearly does in Uruguay and as such I find the vilification wrong.
It's pretty clear you can't say it here though so ironically the context stance may need a bit of levity for all.
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You really are something else
Evra a black guy embellished the fact he was called the N word by a non black during a confrontation with Saurez?
Give up while you're behind
Now you will tell me every racist incident is an embellishment by the victim?
Utter joke.
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Please read the report and stop embarrassing yourself. Maybe read higher quality news.
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 8 seconds ago
Look I don't want to see the guy banned, he will be though I'd have thought.
No doubt my posts are in retrospect to Suarez but I've seen so many polarised views on Suarez, yeah, I find this funny. I may as well admit that I think Evra at the very least embellished things and I cant say the process looked to have much parity either.
As always there's a middle ground though and I think culturally it's hard. We hear Suarez use that phrase in our language and contextually I personally hear the N word and not much else. I cant really imagine it meaning anything else but it clearly does in Uruguay and as such I find the vilification wrong.
It's pretty clear you can't say it here though so ironically the context stance may need a bit of levity for all.
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You really are something else
Evra a black guy embellished the fact he was called the N word by a non black during a confrontation with Saurez?
Give up while you're behind
Now you will tell me every racist incident is an embellishment by the victim?
Utter joke.
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Please read the report and stop embarrassing yourself. Maybe read higher quality news.
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The real embarrassment is you.
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You’d think the club would prepare him given the history.
Context is important though, one is a tweet to a friend, the other is an exchange in a heated moment between Utd and Liverpool.
He’ll probably get a ban and we can’t really complain.
Cavani should get banned. It's not OK to use these sorts of phrases anymore, even if you don't have bad intentions.
No comparison to the Suarez situation though, because he did have bad intentions and is tbh a complete car crash of a human being in almost every way. When racism is only one of the many ways in which you are a scuuumbag, you know how bad it is.
Apparently 3 game ban likely...
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2020/nov/30/edinson-cavani-fa-investigation-social-media-instagram-post
What a mess!
The Suarez case might be why Cavani doesn't get any punishment.
The case at the time stated that the term can be used in a friendly manner.
With Suarez it was more than just the term itself. I kicked you because you are black is a little different to using the term which can mean "sweetheart"
With the whole BLM happening I wouldn't be surprised if there is some punishment for Cavani but from precedent (Suarez case) there shouldn't be, of you accept it has a friendly meaning in another culture.
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Incidentally the Suarez report is available for folk to see. It always amazes me that a different narrative is used than what was actually said in the report as to what happened and why it resulted in what it did
Just looked at the report and point 355 clearly says that Suarez didn't add the "ito" bit to the word. He used the word n***o.
Suarez himself admitted to using the shorter word
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 26 minutes ago
Cavani should get banned. It's not OK to use these sorts of phrases anymore, even if you don't have bad intentions.
No comparison to the Suarez situation though, because he did have bad intentions and is tbh a complete car crash of a human being in almost every way. When racism is only one of the many ways in which you are a scuuumbag, you know how bad it is.
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sensible comment. who'd have thought it eh?
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 10 minutes ago
The Suarez case might be why Cavani doesn't get any punishment.
The case at the time stated that the term can be used in a friendly manner.
With Suarez it was more than just the term itself. I kicked you because you are black is a little different to using the term which can mean "sweetheart"
With the whole BLM happening I wouldn't be surprised if there is some punishment for Cavani but from precedent (Suarez case) there shouldn't be, of you accept it has a friendly meaning in another culture.
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ridiculous.
the equivalent of excusing genocide as its fun for one culture to kill another
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 11 minutes ago
Well this really is delicious isn't it.
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Delicious? Your club wore tshirts to defend a the racist biter, even Klu Klux Kenny did.
We'll take it on the chin and not play the victim card.
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comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 10 minutes ago
The Suarez case might be why Cavani doesn't get any punishment.
The case at the time stated that the term can be used in a friendly manner.
With Suarez it was more than just the term itself. I kicked you because you are black is a little different to using the term which can mean "sweetheart"
With the whole BLM happening I wouldn't be surprised if there is some punishment for Cavani but from precedent (Suarez case) there shouldn't be, of you accept it has a friendly meaning in another culture.
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ridiculous.
the equivalent of excusing genocide as its fun for one culture to kill another
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There was a discussion on it that I listened to and there was an agreement that the Suarez case and this are not similar at all.
I guess we will see when the investigation has concluded however the Suarez report did say that certain words can be used as terms of endearment elsewhere. Suarez didn't use it in such a manner was the reports finding.
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posted on 30/11/20
I can’t believe Cavani tweeted that. Not because I believe it was particularly meant to be offensive but it’s inconceivable that he doesn’t know the context and history. It’s utterly idiotic.
posted on 30/11/20
Saurez screamed the N word towards Evra while biting a chunk out of Patrice's arm
It was not meant as a term of endearment you scousers!
posted on 30/11/20
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
I can’t believe Cavani tweeted that. Not because I believe it was particularly meant to be offensive but it’s inconceivable that he doesn’t know the context and history. It’s utterly idiotic.
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So the lesson to be learned here, is don't speak spanish if you play in an english league?
posted on 30/11/20
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
I can’t believe Cavani tweeted that. Not because I believe it was particularly meant to be offensive but it’s inconceivable that he doesn’t know the context and history. It’s utterly idiotic.
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South Americans are known to be casually racist
Does not condone it though. It was quite simply idiotic for him to post it in the way he did.
posted on 30/11/20
Look I don't want to see the guy banned, he will be though I'd have thought.
No doubt my posts are in retrospect to Suarez but I've seen so many polarised views on Suarez, yeah, I find this funny. I may as well admit that I think Evra at the very least embellished things and I cant say the process looked to have much parity either.
As always there's a middle ground though and I think culturally it's hard. We hear Suarez use that phrase in our language and contextually I personally hear the N word and not much else. I cant really imagine it meaning anything else but it clearly does in Uruguay and as such I find the vilification wrong.
It's pretty clear you can't say it here though so ironically the context stance may need a bit of levity for all.
posted on 30/11/20
Here's my understanding of this, in bullet-point form. It is a long time since 2010/11, so if I am wrong on any of these, it is not malicious and I am happy to be corrected.
1) S + E argued during the game at Anfield.
2) During that exchange, S referred to E as "n-----o" (according to Robbing, S admitted this?)
3) In Uruguayan culture, this word is not always offensive and is sometimes used between friends.
4) However, the word also directly references skin-colour.
5) In the 21st century, if you reference someone's skin colour while ARGUING with them, even if the word itself might not have been meant in a racist manner, you are likely to find yourself in some trouble.
6) S was subsequently banned and fined.
7) Cavani used the same word to thank an Instagram follower who'd praised his performance.
If I've misunderstood any of this, genuine apologies, but I cannot see how this is "gymnastics" or "cringeworthy" at all. Context is CRUCIAL in language. I've also said, repeatedly, that I expect Cavani to get a one-game ban and would accept that. I've also said I don't think either player is racist but that you can see why the same word would be interpreted differently, given the polar-opposite nature of the contexts.
posted on 30/11/20
comment by Chelsea_badger (U22493)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
I can’t believe Cavani tweeted that. Not because I believe it was particularly meant to be offensive but it’s inconceivable that he doesn’t know the context and history. It’s utterly idiotic.
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So the lesson to be learned here, is don't speak spanish if you play in an english league?
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No the lesson is to be aware of the culture and environment you live in and be mindful of it. Some things you may consider acceptable might not be to those you live amongst. That is especially true if there is a hugely high profile case involving the exact same world with your compatriot and teammate.
posted on 30/11/20
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 5 minutes ago
I can’t believe Cavani tweeted that. Not because I believe it was particularly meant to be offensive but it’s inconceivable that he doesn’t know the context and history. It’s utterly idiotic.
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I tend to agree with that. "A short memory" is the best excuse I could make.
posted on 30/11/20
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 8 seconds ago
Look I don't want to see the guy banned, he will be though I'd have thought.
No doubt my posts are in retrospect to Suarez but I've seen so many polarised views on Suarez, yeah, I find this funny. I may as well admit that I think Evra at the very least embellished things and I cant say the process looked to have much parity either.
As always there's a middle ground though and I think culturally it's hard. We hear Suarez use that phrase in our language and contextually I personally hear the N word and not much else. I cant really imagine it meaning anything else but it clearly does in Uruguay and as such I find the vilification wrong.
It's pretty clear you can't say it here though so ironically the context stance may need a bit of levity for all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You really are something else
Evra a black guy embellished the fact he was called the N word by a non black during a confrontation with Saurez?
Give up while you're behind
Now you will tell me every racist incident is an embellishment by the victim?
Utter joke.
posted on 30/11/20
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 8 seconds ago
Look I don't want to see the guy banned, he will be though I'd have thought.
No doubt my posts are in retrospect to Suarez but I've seen so many polarised views on Suarez, yeah, I find this funny. I may as well admit that I think Evra at the very least embellished things and I cant say the process looked to have much parity either.
As always there's a middle ground though and I think culturally it's hard. We hear Suarez use that phrase in our language and contextually I personally hear the N word and not much else. I cant really imagine it meaning anything else but it clearly does in Uruguay and as such I find the vilification wrong.
It's pretty clear you can't say it here though so ironically the context stance may need a bit of levity for all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You really are something else
Evra a black guy embellished the fact he was called the N word by a non black during a confrontation with Saurez?
Give up while you're behind
Now you will tell me every racist incident is an embellishment by the victim?
Utter joke.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Please read the report and stop embarrassing yourself. Maybe read higher quality news.
posted on 30/11/20
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 8 seconds ago
Look I don't want to see the guy banned, he will be though I'd have thought.
No doubt my posts are in retrospect to Suarez but I've seen so many polarised views on Suarez, yeah, I find this funny. I may as well admit that I think Evra at the very least embellished things and I cant say the process looked to have much parity either.
As always there's a middle ground though and I think culturally it's hard. We hear Suarez use that phrase in our language and contextually I personally hear the N word and not much else. I cant really imagine it meaning anything else but it clearly does in Uruguay and as such I find the vilification wrong.
It's pretty clear you can't say it here though so ironically the context stance may need a bit of levity for all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You really are something else
Evra a black guy embellished the fact he was called the N word by a non black during a confrontation with Saurez?
Give up while you're behind
Now you will tell me every racist incident is an embellishment by the victim?
Utter joke.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Please read the report and stop embarrassing yourself. Maybe read higher quality news.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The real embarrassment is you.
posted on 30/11/20
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posted on 30/11/20
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posted on 30/11/20
You’d think the club would prepare him given the history.
Context is important though, one is a tweet to a friend, the other is an exchange in a heated moment between Utd and Liverpool.
He’ll probably get a ban and we can’t really complain.
posted on 30/11/20
Cavani should get banned. It's not OK to use these sorts of phrases anymore, even if you don't have bad intentions.
No comparison to the Suarez situation though, because he did have bad intentions and is tbh a complete car crash of a human being in almost every way. When racism is only one of the many ways in which you are a scuuumbag, you know how bad it is.
posted on 30/11/20
Apparently 3 game ban likely...
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2020/nov/30/edinson-cavani-fa-investigation-social-media-instagram-post
What a mess!
posted on 30/11/20
The Suarez case might be why Cavani doesn't get any punishment.
The case at the time stated that the term can be used in a friendly manner.
With Suarez it was more than just the term itself. I kicked you because you are black is a little different to using the term which can mean "sweetheart"
With the whole BLM happening I wouldn't be surprised if there is some punishment for Cavani but from precedent (Suarez case) there shouldn't be, of you accept it has a friendly meaning in another culture.
posted on 30/11/20
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posted on 30/11/20
Incidentally the Suarez report is available for folk to see. It always amazes me that a different narrative is used than what was actually said in the report as to what happened and why it resulted in what it did
posted on 30/11/20
Just looked at the report and point 355 clearly says that Suarez didn't add the "ito" bit to the word. He used the word n***o.
Suarez himself admitted to using the shorter word
posted on 30/11/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 26 minutes ago
Cavani should get banned. It's not OK to use these sorts of phrases anymore, even if you don't have bad intentions.
No comparison to the Suarez situation though, because he did have bad intentions and is tbh a complete car crash of a human being in almost every way. When racism is only one of the many ways in which you are a scuuumbag, you know how bad it is.
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sensible comment. who'd have thought it eh?
posted on 30/11/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 10 minutes ago
The Suarez case might be why Cavani doesn't get any punishment.
The case at the time stated that the term can be used in a friendly manner.
With Suarez it was more than just the term itself. I kicked you because you are black is a little different to using the term which can mean "sweetheart"
With the whole BLM happening I wouldn't be surprised if there is some punishment for Cavani but from precedent (Suarez case) there shouldn't be, of you accept it has a friendly meaning in another culture.
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ridiculous.
the equivalent of excusing genocide as its fun for one culture to kill another
posted on 30/11/20
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 11 minutes ago
Well this really is delicious isn't it.
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Delicious? Your club wore tshirts to defend a the racist biter, even Klu Klux Kenny did.
We'll take it on the chin and not play the victim card.
posted on 30/11/20
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posted on 30/11/20
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 10 minutes ago
The Suarez case might be why Cavani doesn't get any punishment.
The case at the time stated that the term can be used in a friendly manner.
With Suarez it was more than just the term itself. I kicked you because you are black is a little different to using the term which can mean "sweetheart"
With the whole BLM happening I wouldn't be surprised if there is some punishment for Cavani but from precedent (Suarez case) there shouldn't be, of you accept it has a friendly meaning in another culture.
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ridiculous.
the equivalent of excusing genocide as its fun for one culture to kill another
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There was a discussion on it that I listened to and there was an agreement that the Suarez case and this are not similar at all.
I guess we will see when the investigation has concluded however the Suarez report did say that certain words can be used as terms of endearment elsewhere. Suarez didn't use it in such a manner was the reports finding.
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