I don’t think Spurs are. But their football is torture, they’re well within their rights to ask for Mourinho’s head (and I mean that in the literal sense).

comment by Arsenal Legend Pochettino (U18355)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
People are reactionary as fvck on this site, look at arsenal fans a fortnight ago, United have half a dozen or so fans who were screaming for Ole’s head not too long ago, there have been muttering from Spurs fans recently, now it Lampard’s turn
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Because all 4 clubs are underachieving
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Indeed they are.

Now, do you believe there’s any manager in the world who could change that within 1-2 years, if they took over Chelsea tomorrow?

comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
It would be absolutely no surprise to see Lampard sacked.

Tuchel is probably having dinner with Roman right now.
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Over Zoom, obviously.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Arsenal Legend Pochettino (U18355)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
People are reactionary as fvck on this site, look at arsenal fans a fortnight ago, United have half a dozen or so fans who were screaming for Ole’s head not too long ago, there have been muttering from Spurs fans recently, now it Lampard’s turn
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Because all 4 clubs are underachieving
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Indeed they are.

Now, do you believe there’s any manager in the world who could change that within 1-2 years, if they took over Chelsea tomorrow?
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This is kind of what I'm saying, but I do see the point that a better manager, whoever that may be, would show clearer and more sustained signs of progress.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Arsenal Legend Pochettino (U18355)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
People are reactionary as fvck on this site, look at arsenal fans a fortnight ago, United have half a dozen or so fans who were screaming for Ole’s head not too long ago, there have been muttering from Spurs fans recently, now it Lampard’s turn
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Because all 4 clubs are underachieving
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Indeed they are.

Now, do you believe there’s any manager in the world who could change that within 1-2 years, if they took over Chelsea tomorrow?
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Of course there is

comment by Arsenal Legend Pochettino (U18355)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Arsenal Legend Pochettino (U18355)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
People are reactionary as fvck on this site, look at arsenal fans a fortnight ago, United have half a dozen or so fans who were screaming for Ole’s head not too long ago, there have been muttering from Spurs fans recently, now it Lampard’s turn
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Because all 4 clubs are underachieving
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Indeed they are.

Now, do you believe there’s any manager in the world who could change that within 1-2 years, if they took over Chelsea tomorrow?
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Of course there is
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Really? Who?

Well I’m not the one who makes the decisions. The obvious pick is Allegri. Think he suits Chelsea to a tee. But it could literally be anyone. Nobody heard of Wenger when he came to Arsenal and look at the job he did.

I always laugh when people say “who could do a better job” as a defence to sacking the manager when there is nearly always someone who can do a better job

Clockwork, absolutely, but then it really becomes subjective.

I don’t believe any new manager who get Chelsea above Liverpool and City by next season. I felt the same when Ole took over.

These things take time.

comment by Arsenal Legend Pochettino (U18355)
posted 43 seconds ago
Well I’m not the one who makes the decisions. The obvious pick is Allegri. Think he suits Chelsea to a tee. But it could literally be anyone. Nobody heard of Wenger when he came to Arsenal and look at the job he did.

I always laugh when people say “who could do a better job” as a defence to sacking the manager when there is nearly always someone who can do a better job
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I think you need to re-read what I said, because you appear to be arguing something entirely different.

comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Arsenal Legend Pochettino (U18355)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
People are reactionary as fvck on this site, look at arsenal fans a fortnight ago, United have half a dozen or so fans who were screaming for Ole’s head not too long ago, there have been muttering from Spurs fans recently, now it Lampard’s turn
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Because all 4 clubs are underachieving
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Indeed they are.

Now, do you believe there’s any manager in the world who could change that within 1-2 years, if they took over Chelsea tomorrow?
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This is kind of what I'm saying, but I do see the point that a better manager, whoever that may be, would show clearer and more sustained signs of progress.
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I think when you’re managing Chelsea it doesn’t really need to take one or two years to start competing.

People really underestimate how good recruitment and top management can elevate a team very quickly.

You’ve asked who can change the fact that Chelsea are underachieving and I’ve given you and answer. What am I missing

I always laugh when people say “who could do a better job” as a defence to sacking the manager when there is nearly always someone who can do a better job

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Fair point. But from a United perspective, Mourinho could do a better job than Van Gaal, who could do a better job than Moyes... It didn't really get us anywhere and the changes caused as many problems as they solved. Now Solskjaer, the one that (arguably) seemed the strangest job on paper is (arguably) doing a better job than any of them.

comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Arsenal Legend Pochettino (U18355)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
People are reactionary as fvck on this site, look at arsenal fans a fortnight ago, United have half a dozen or so fans who were screaming for Ole’s head not too long ago, there have been muttering from Spurs fans recently, now it Lampard’s turn
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Because all 4 clubs are underachieving
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Indeed they are.

Now, do you believe there’s any manager in the world who could change that within 1-2 years, if they took over Chelsea tomorrow?
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This is kind of what I'm saying, but I do see the point that a better manager, whoever that may be, would show clearer and more sustained signs of progress.
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I think when you’re managing Chelsea it doesn’t really need to take one or two years to start competing.

People really underestimate how good recruitment and top management can elevate a team very quickly.
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And yet the two best managers in the league took at least that long, one of them with the biggest budget in the league.

comment by Arsenal Legend Pochettino (U18355)
posted 33 seconds ago
You’ve asked who can change the fact that Chelsea are underachieving and I’ve given you and answer. What am I missing
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The timeframe is what you’re missing.

I’m saying that no manager could get Chelsea to a point where they’re not underachieving with less than two years.

What lol? My answer doesn’t change. Allegri would be my pick

comment by Arsenal Legend Pochettino (U18355)
posted 7 seconds ago
What lol? My answer doesn’t change. Allegri would be my pick
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But I didn’t ask you who could do a better job.

Because all 4 clubs are underachieving
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Indeed they are.

Now, do you believe there’s any manager in the world who could change that within 1-2 years, if they took over Chelsea tomorrow?

My answer is Allegri

Right. Let’s hope you’ve answered this time and actually understood the question, rather than laughing at something that wasn’t said.

At this stage last season Chelsea were 17 points behind leaders Liverpool
This season they’re 7 points behind

Surely that’s improvement??

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 32 seconds ago
Right. Let’s hope you’ve answered this time and actually understood the question, rather than laughing at something that wasn’t said.
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can anyone explain what this guy is rambling on about please

comment by Arsenal Legend Pochettino (U18355)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 32 seconds ago
Right. Let’s hope you’ve answered this time and actually understood the question, rather than laughing at something that wasn’t said.
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can anyone explain what this guy is rambling on about please
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Let me assure you, the fact you don’t understand says far more about you than it does about me.

Anyone...please

comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
At this stage last season Chelsea were 17 points behind leaders Liverpool
This season they’re 7 points behind

Surely that’s improvement??
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But Chelsea have fewer points than at this stage last season. Liverpool just have a lot fewer.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Arsenal Legend Pochettino (U18355)
posted 33 seconds ago
You’ve asked who can change the fact that Chelsea are underachieving and I’ve given you and answer. What am I missing
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The timeframe is what you’re missing.

I’m saying that no manager could get Chelsea to a point where they’re not underachieving with less than two years.
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See, I don't necessarily agree with that. If Chelsea sacked Lampard tomorrow and brought in Nagelsmann or Tuchel, for example, you might realistically see:

- Chelsea climbing the table over the next few weeks and eventually not only finishing third ahead United and Spurs, but looking superior to both as teams, clearly the third-best team in the country and improving all the time. Not where Chelsea want to be ultimately but an improvement.

- In his second season, Chelsea putting daylight beween themselves and United et al and really getting in amongst City and Liverpool as a genuine contender.

I don't think this is unrealistic for Chelsea (or for United). However, I also don't think it's that unrealistic that a Tuchel or a Nagelsmann might struggle at United or Chelsea, which is one reason why I don't call for Solksjaer's head even when we're at our worst.

comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
At this stage last season Chelsea were 17 points behind leaders Liverpool
This season they’re 7 points behind

Surely that’s improvement??
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But Chelsea have fewer points than at this stage last season. Liverpool just have a lot fewer.
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Klopp out??