comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 1 minute ago
“I’m sorry dude, but Sanchez, Winks, Dier , Aurier and Sissoko are NOT good enough. You can dress it up as much as you want mate, but they are simply not good enough and bang average. Until we rid of players like this, no manager is going to go forward with this lot.“
Oh come off it Don ffs are you suggesting Jose is immune to any blame until he gets rid of every player you don’t rate.
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Nope, did I say that ? I am replying to him in my views that the players I mentioned are clearly not good enough for his system
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You said “no manager is going to go forward with this lot
Come on mate, you were more than happy than anyone with our transfer window, and now it’s going downhill the players aren’t good enough.
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Go back on any transfer window thread and you will clearly see me mention I’m happy with the window, but I don’t trust the defence still. I said it many times. I do agree, Jose needs to change the system.
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 1 minute ago
“I’m sorry dude, but Sanchez, Winks, Dier , Aurier and Sissoko are NOT good enough. You can dress it up as much as you want mate, but they are simply not good enough and bang average. Until we rid of players like this, no manager is going to go forward with this lot.“
Oh come off it Don ffs are you suggesting Jose is immune to any blame until he gets rid of every player you don’t rate.
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Nope, did I say that ? I am replying to him in my views that the players I mentioned are clearly not good enough for his system
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Then change the feccking system. Swallow your pride Jose, accept what you did 10 years ago is not relevant anymore, and adapt or do one.
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I agree
Problem you have at the moment is that you’re awful to watch and you’re not getting results either.
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 minute ago
Problem you have at the moment is that you’re awful to watch and you’re not getting results either.
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I think a majority could put up with dross football if the results were there, the problem is all tbese draws feel like loses.
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 minute ago
Problem you have at the moment is that you’re awful to watch and you’re not getting results either.
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I think a majority could put up with dross football if the results were there, the problem is all tbese draws feel like loses.
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because they are loses. lost two points. if it was just draws where you dominate but can't score that's one thing but all these late goals conceded when you're ahead must be maddening.
Central midfield is the problem when trying to play Mourinho`s system.
Hojberg - Does the dirty work very well (his role) but can only pass it simple. Offers nothing going forward.
Winks - Does not do the dirty work well and passes it simple 95% of the time, offers nothing going forward and is too lightweight to be a DM.
Sissoko - Does the dirty work and tracking back / defensive covering well, can only pass it simple and offers almost nothing going forward.
None of the above three can play technically and successfully in tight areas (ala Modric).
Ndombele - Our best all round midfielder, good close control and can play in tight areas, a very good range of passing and contributes going forward. Still developing the defensive side to his game and an engine to last 90 mins consistently.
Replace Sissoko and Winks with players of similar attributes to Modric and Dembele (for eg.), and you would see a completely different team.
The question is, why does Mourinho persist with players that do not suit his tactics, or persist with tactics that do not suit his players. The fans can see a lot of our problems clear as day, so why doesn`t the manager and why doesn`t he rectify it either in game or on the training pitch.
Add all that to comedy defenders like Sanchez and Aurier and, well, you see the result.
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 minute ago
Problem you have at the moment is that you’re awful to watch and you’re not getting results either.
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I think a majority could put up with dross football if the results were there, the problem is all tbese draws feel like loses.
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In order to put up with the kind of dross that's been served up, I'd need us to win every cup competition we're currently in. One solitary League Cup isn't enough to redress the balance (and even that's a long shot against City)
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 22 seconds ago
How stupid is Levy to appoint Mourinho who has replace the entire team.
Trophies are overrated and if we dont win anything this season its going to hit you hard Don.
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Trophies are not over rated at all mate. Spurs don’t win them, so how the f** can any Spurs supporter say that ? Trophies are what makes a footballer strive for. Getting top 4 every season only isn’t. You have to win trophies to and I am sick of Spurs not achieving anything.
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Utterly bonkers comment. Try telling that to Kane who is desperate for just one damn trophy in his career right now. Even teams that win alot of silverware want more. A football career is a short one and a cabinet full of silverware at the end of the day is better than an empty cabinet.
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 5 minutes ago
The question is, why does Mourinho persist with players that do not suit his tactics, or persist with tactics that do not suit his players. The fans can see a lot of our problems clear as day, so why doesn`t the manager and why doesn`t he rectify it either in game or on the training pitch.
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This is it, in a nutshell.
Don's right that Spurs don't have the players to play Mourinho's preferred style. But that makes it a management issue - he isn't going to suddenly magic 5 top quality defensive players out of thin air. He has to adapt. He can't just expect to buy players until he has the right mix. He has to do what every other coach in the world does with the players at his disposal - COACH THEM. He hasn't, and that's his fault.
1. The players can't play the style the manager wants
2. The manager can't coach the style the players suit
It's almost like it was a terribly thought-out appointment
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 22 seconds ago
How stupid is Levy to appoint Mourinho who has replace the entire team.
Trophies are overrated and if we dont win anything this season its going to hit you hard Don.
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Trophies are not over rated at all mate. Spurs don’t win them, so how the f** can any Spurs supporter say that ? Trophies are what makes a footballer strive for. Getting top 4 every season only isn’t. You have to win trophies to and I am sick of Spurs not achieving anything.
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Utterly bonkers comment. Try telling that to Kane who is desperate for just one damn trophy in his career right now. Even teams that win alot of silverware want more. A football career is a short one and a cabinet full of silverware at the end of the day is better than an empty cabinet.
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A league cup is not going to keep our players. Spurs don't win trophies yet we still have fans. Players come and go.They are going to leave deal with it.
I can only laugh that after all we have seen with players over the years, many fans still believe the Spurs manager has autonomy over transfers. They get a say.. that’s about it..
Also, we do have some very good players, but:
Why start Toby against Marine and Sanchez against Fulham, surely the other way round would have been better with the respective players previous form.
We have terrific attacking talent being wasted on the bench in favour of limited cloggers who are willing to run up and down the pitch defending.
Why not pick your best players, those that can actually play football to a good level and keep hold of the ball, then maybe we will put games to bed sooner and not be hanging on to slender leads, as every team we face dominates the ball against us.
comment by TobyJanKaneobi (U15068)
posted 52 seconds ago
I can only laugh that after all we have seen with players over the years, many fans still believe the Spurs manager has autonomy over transfers. They get a say.. that’s about it..
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And all the so called directors of football ran away.
If I may.
I said it before Jose is finished at this level. His pragmatic style will only get you so far and will not be good enough to win either of the 2 big trophies IMO.
Someone mentioned above you have the squad to compete with ourselves and city for the title as we are both underpar. This is true but with the style of play it wouldn't be enough.
Any other season the team and the way they play wouldn't lay a glove on ourselves and city based on our form of previous seasons.
He may very well win you a domestic cup and that will placate some fans this season but he will not get you challenging for the big prizes. His time has come and gone and this will be his last major club role with the Portuguese position his most likely destination.
I have no axe to grind with Spurs so this is just an honest opinion.
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 22 seconds ago
How stupid is Levy to appoint Mourinho who has replace the entire team.
Trophies are overrated and if we dont win anything this season its going to hit you hard Don.
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Trophies are not over rated at all mate. Spurs don’t win them, so how the f** can any Spurs supporter say that ? Trophies are what makes a footballer strive for. Getting top 4 every season only isn’t. You have to win trophies to and I am sick of Spurs not achieving anything.
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Utterly bonkers comment. Try telling that to Kane who is desperate for just one damn trophy in his career right now. Even teams that win alot of silverware want more. A football career is a short one and a cabinet full of silverware at the end of the day is better than an empty cabinet.
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A league cup is not going to keep our players. Spurs don't win trophies yet we still have fans. Players come and go.They are going to leave deal with it.
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A League Cup might not keep some players but Spurs have to start somewhere. It'll give them a taste of success and winning. If they can see that the direction of the club is winning more and winning bigger, buy buying better players to achieve that, then they might stay. A League Cup win instead of a runners up medal for the mentality of players at Spurs is bigger than people think.
It’s happening to much to be a player thing and not a tactic/system fault
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 22 seconds ago
How stupid is Levy to appoint Mourinho who has replace the entire team.
Trophies are overrated and if we dont win anything this season its going to hit you hard Don.
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Trophies are not over rated at all mate. Spurs don’t win them, so how the f** can any Spurs supporter say that ? Trophies are what makes a footballer strive for. Getting top 4 every season only isn’t. You have to win trophies to and I am sick of Spurs not achieving anything.
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Utterly bonkers comment. Try telling that to Kane who is desperate for just one damn trophy in his career right now. Even teams that win alot of silverware want more. A football career is a short one and a cabinet full of silverware at the end of the day is better than an empty cabinet.
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A league cup is not going to keep our players. Spurs don't win trophies yet we still have fans. Players come and go.They are going to leave deal with it.
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A League Cup might not keep some players but Spurs have to start somewhere. It'll give them a taste of success and winning. If they can see that the direction of the club is winning more and winning bigger, buy buying better players to achieve that, then they might stay. A League Cup win instead of a runners up medal for the mentality of players at Spurs is bigger than people think.
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Didn't happen under Juande Ramos
It's not just who you play, it's how you ask them to play.
I said when he was appointed I saw levy logic in stabalising the ship and making spurs rough to beat. I just never bought into Jose being the right fit, cos if he doesn't get a blank cheque book he reverts to one style of play.
Ali is the best example. Was worth a fortune but now is playing for a manager that doesn't suit his style. He hasn't just become rubbish he just seems to have lost confidence with his own game, after jose has picked it apart, and his manager.
Didn't jose also bench rashford a fair bit?
My worry would be if he winds a trophy, gets lots to spend but spurs style doesn't become more expansive.
How many FA Cups did Arsenal win in Wengers last years?
They still weren’t happy with it.
Cup runs are fun and every team should aim to win them, but winning them does not equal or mean sustained growth and progression.
Will I be happy if we win the league cup? Yes, of course. Will that satisfy us with Jose for a few more years? No probably not.
I want long term progression not quick/cheap thrills.
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 22 seconds ago
How stupid is Levy to appoint Mourinho who has replace the entire team.
Trophies are overrated and if we dont win anything this season its going to hit you hard Don.
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Trophies are not over rated at all mate. Spurs don’t win them, so how the f** can any Spurs supporter say that ? Trophies are what makes a footballer strive for. Getting top 4 every season only isn’t. You have to win trophies to and I am sick of Spurs not achieving anything.
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Utterly bonkers comment. Try telling that to Kane who is desperate for just one damn trophy in his career right now. Even teams that win alot of silverware want more. A football career is a short one and a cabinet full of silverware at the end of the day is better than an empty cabinet.
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A league cup is not going to keep our players. Spurs don't win trophies yet we still have fans. Players come and go.They are going to leave deal with it.
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A League Cup might not keep some players but Spurs have to start somewhere. It'll give them a taste of success and winning. If they can see that the direction of the club is winning more and winning bigger, buy buying better players to achieve that, then they might stay. A League Cup win instead of a runners up medal for the mentality of players at Spurs is bigger than people think.
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Couldn’t agree more bumble. A cup win gets the monkey off our back and means the club are prepared to try and win the even bigger trophies. That being said, we still have to get CL, but a trophy is massively important this season.
This is a very simplistic argument from the OP ie 5 years of nice football / no trophy = bad. 1-2 years of rubbish football / trophy = good.
I have no idea how fluking a minor cup win makes the players believe they are "winners". Surely more important to improve their technical skills/movement/confidence etc on the training pitch.
If the manager has decided we don't want the ball then every game is going to be about the 1 or 2 chances created or the 1 or 2 errors from defenders. Its boring as fack, completely gutless and doesn't even work half the time even with a loaded squad or playing the worst teams in the league.
Forget improving players just buy more that will fix it.
I don't even blame JM really but that 'fan' Levy for wanting one of the 2 celebrity managers. What a kn*b.
Still 2 years left on his contract Levy what ever you do dont give him an extension for winning the Worthington Cup
Its funny how things change I remember many arguments taking place on here during Poch reign between those who felt getting into the top 4 was more important than a domestic trophy and those who believed the opposite. I also remember his team selections causing fury (Son at right back) and his use of substitutions being constantly rubbished.
Despite the fact that things like Toby playing against Marine instead of Fulham and Dele playing no part in last nights game drive me mad we still should of won. Reg, Son and Kane all missed great chances and Son shouldn't of got caught offside in the build up for our late disallowed winner.
Jose must take his share of the blame but the team he put out was more than good enough to get all the points and should of done.
comment by (U22540)
posted 15 minutes ago
This is a very simplistic argument from the OP ie 5 years of nice football / no trophy = bad. 1-2 years of rubbish football / trophy = good.
I have no idea how fluking a minor cup win makes the players believe they are "winners". Surely more important to improve their technical skills/movement/confidence etc on the training pitch.
If the manager has decided we don't want the ball then every game is going to be about the 1 or 2 chances created or the 1 or 2 errors from defenders. Its boring as fack, completely gutless and doesn't even work half the time even with a loaded squad or playing the worst teams in the league.
Forget improving players just buy more that will fix it.
I don't even blame JM really but that 'fan' Levy for wanting one of the 2 celebrity managers. What a kn*b.
Still 2 years left on his contract Levy what ever you do dont give him an extension for winning the Worthington Cup
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It’s not simplistic because Harry Kane has already said he wants to win trophies. Thats our best player saying he wants to win trophies, otherwise he’s off. You honestly think big players want to go through their whole career just getting top 4 with nothing to show for it? If anyone’s simplistic it’s you and incredibly naive to. I never said sacrifice top 4, not once have I said that, so stop putting words in my mouth. What I have said a number of times is we have to start winning trophies to build success. The league cup is a start. That easier enough for you ?
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posted on 14/1/21
comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 1 minute ago
“I’m sorry dude, but Sanchez, Winks, Dier , Aurier and Sissoko are NOT good enough. You can dress it up as much as you want mate, but they are simply not good enough and bang average. Until we rid of players like this, no manager is going to go forward with this lot.“
Oh come off it Don ffs are you suggesting Jose is immune to any blame until he gets rid of every player you don’t rate.
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Nope, did I say that ? I am replying to him in my views that the players I mentioned are clearly not good enough for his system
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You said “no manager is going to go forward with this lot
Come on mate, you were more than happy than anyone with our transfer window, and now it’s going downhill the players aren’t good enough.
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Go back on any transfer window thread and you will clearly see me mention I’m happy with the window, but I don’t trust the defence still. I said it many times. I do agree, Jose needs to change the system.
posted on 14/1/21
comment by (U22519)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 1 minute ago
“I’m sorry dude, but Sanchez, Winks, Dier , Aurier and Sissoko are NOT good enough. You can dress it up as much as you want mate, but they are simply not good enough and bang average. Until we rid of players like this, no manager is going to go forward with this lot.“
Oh come off it Don ffs are you suggesting Jose is immune to any blame until he gets rid of every player you don’t rate.
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Nope, did I say that ? I am replying to him in my views that the players I mentioned are clearly not good enough for his system
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Then change the feccking system. Swallow your pride Jose, accept what you did 10 years ago is not relevant anymore, and adapt or do one.
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I agree
posted on 14/1/21
Problem you have at the moment is that you’re awful to watch and you’re not getting results either.
posted on 14/1/21
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 minute ago
Problem you have at the moment is that you’re awful to watch and you’re not getting results either.
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I think a majority could put up with dross football if the results were there, the problem is all tbese draws feel like loses.
posted on 14/1/21
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 minute ago
Problem you have at the moment is that you’re awful to watch and you’re not getting results either.
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I think a majority could put up with dross football if the results were there, the problem is all tbese draws feel like loses.
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because they are loses. lost two points. if it was just draws where you dominate but can't score that's one thing but all these late goals conceded when you're ahead must be maddening.
posted on 14/1/21
Central midfield is the problem when trying to play Mourinho`s system.
Hojberg - Does the dirty work very well (his role) but can only pass it simple. Offers nothing going forward.
Winks - Does not do the dirty work well and passes it simple 95% of the time, offers nothing going forward and is too lightweight to be a DM.
Sissoko - Does the dirty work and tracking back / defensive covering well, can only pass it simple and offers almost nothing going forward.
None of the above three can play technically and successfully in tight areas (ala Modric).
Ndombele - Our best all round midfielder, good close control and can play in tight areas, a very good range of passing and contributes going forward. Still developing the defensive side to his game and an engine to last 90 mins consistently.
Replace Sissoko and Winks with players of similar attributes to Modric and Dembele (for eg.), and you would see a completely different team.
The question is, why does Mourinho persist with players that do not suit his tactics, or persist with tactics that do not suit his players. The fans can see a lot of our problems clear as day, so why doesn`t the manager and why doesn`t he rectify it either in game or on the training pitch.
posted on 14/1/21
Add all that to comedy defenders like Sanchez and Aurier and, well, you see the result.
posted on 14/1/21
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 minute ago
Problem you have at the moment is that you’re awful to watch and you’re not getting results either.
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I think a majority could put up with dross football if the results were there, the problem is all tbese draws feel like loses.
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In order to put up with the kind of dross that's been served up, I'd need us to win every cup competition we're currently in. One solitary League Cup isn't enough to redress the balance (and even that's a long shot against City)
posted on 14/1/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 22 seconds ago
How stupid is Levy to appoint Mourinho who has replace the entire team.
Trophies are overrated and if we dont win anything this season its going to hit you hard Don.
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Trophies are not over rated at all mate. Spurs don’t win them, so how the f** can any Spurs supporter say that ? Trophies are what makes a footballer strive for. Getting top 4 every season only isn’t. You have to win trophies to and I am sick of Spurs not achieving anything.
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Utterly bonkers comment. Try telling that to Kane who is desperate for just one damn trophy in his career right now. Even teams that win alot of silverware want more. A football career is a short one and a cabinet full of silverware at the end of the day is better than an empty cabinet.
posted on 14/1/21
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 5 minutes ago
The question is, why does Mourinho persist with players that do not suit his tactics, or persist with tactics that do not suit his players. The fans can see a lot of our problems clear as day, so why doesn`t the manager and why doesn`t he rectify it either in game or on the training pitch.
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This is it, in a nutshell.
Don's right that Spurs don't have the players to play Mourinho's preferred style. But that makes it a management issue - he isn't going to suddenly magic 5 top quality defensive players out of thin air. He has to adapt. He can't just expect to buy players until he has the right mix. He has to do what every other coach in the world does with the players at his disposal - COACH THEM. He hasn't, and that's his fault.
1. The players can't play the style the manager wants
2. The manager can't coach the style the players suit
It's almost like it was a terribly thought-out appointment
posted on 14/1/21
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 22 seconds ago
How stupid is Levy to appoint Mourinho who has replace the entire team.
Trophies are overrated and if we dont win anything this season its going to hit you hard Don.
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Trophies are not over rated at all mate. Spurs don’t win them, so how the f** can any Spurs supporter say that ? Trophies are what makes a footballer strive for. Getting top 4 every season only isn’t. You have to win trophies to and I am sick of Spurs not achieving anything.
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Utterly bonkers comment. Try telling that to Kane who is desperate for just one damn trophy in his career right now. Even teams that win alot of silverware want more. A football career is a short one and a cabinet full of silverware at the end of the day is better than an empty cabinet.
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A league cup is not going to keep our players. Spurs don't win trophies yet we still have fans. Players come and go.They are going to leave deal with it.
posted on 14/1/21
I can only laugh that after all we have seen with players over the years, many fans still believe the Spurs manager has autonomy over transfers. They get a say.. that’s about it..
posted on 14/1/21
Also, we do have some very good players, but:
Why start Toby against Marine and Sanchez against Fulham, surely the other way round would have been better with the respective players previous form.
We have terrific attacking talent being wasted on the bench in favour of limited cloggers who are willing to run up and down the pitch defending.
Why not pick your best players, those that can actually play football to a good level and keep hold of the ball, then maybe we will put games to bed sooner and not be hanging on to slender leads, as every team we face dominates the ball against us.
posted on 14/1/21
comment by TobyJanKaneobi (U15068)
posted 52 seconds ago
I can only laugh that after all we have seen with players over the years, many fans still believe the Spurs manager has autonomy over transfers. They get a say.. that’s about it..
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And all the so called directors of football ran away.
posted on 14/1/21
If I may.
I said it before Jose is finished at this level. His pragmatic style will only get you so far and will not be good enough to win either of the 2 big trophies IMO.
Someone mentioned above you have the squad to compete with ourselves and city for the title as we are both underpar. This is true but with the style of play it wouldn't be enough.
Any other season the team and the way they play wouldn't lay a glove on ourselves and city based on our form of previous seasons.
He may very well win you a domestic cup and that will placate some fans this season but he will not get you challenging for the big prizes. His time has come and gone and this will be his last major club role with the Portuguese position his most likely destination.
I have no axe to grind with Spurs so this is just an honest opinion.
posted on 14/1/21
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 22 seconds ago
How stupid is Levy to appoint Mourinho who has replace the entire team.
Trophies are overrated and if we dont win anything this season its going to hit you hard Don.
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Trophies are not over rated at all mate. Spurs don’t win them, so how the f** can any Spurs supporter say that ? Trophies are what makes a footballer strive for. Getting top 4 every season only isn’t. You have to win trophies to and I am sick of Spurs not achieving anything.
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Utterly bonkers comment. Try telling that to Kane who is desperate for just one damn trophy in his career right now. Even teams that win alot of silverware want more. A football career is a short one and a cabinet full of silverware at the end of the day is better than an empty cabinet.
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A league cup is not going to keep our players. Spurs don't win trophies yet we still have fans. Players come and go.They are going to leave deal with it.
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A League Cup might not keep some players but Spurs have to start somewhere. It'll give them a taste of success and winning. If they can see that the direction of the club is winning more and winning bigger, buy buying better players to achieve that, then they might stay. A League Cup win instead of a runners up medal for the mentality of players at Spurs is bigger than people think.
posted on 14/1/21
It’s happening to much to be a player thing and not a tactic/system fault
posted on 14/1/21
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 22 seconds ago
How stupid is Levy to appoint Mourinho who has replace the entire team.
Trophies are overrated and if we dont win anything this season its going to hit you hard Don.
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Trophies are not over rated at all mate. Spurs don’t win them, so how the f** can any Spurs supporter say that ? Trophies are what makes a footballer strive for. Getting top 4 every season only isn’t. You have to win trophies to and I am sick of Spurs not achieving anything.
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Utterly bonkers comment. Try telling that to Kane who is desperate for just one damn trophy in his career right now. Even teams that win alot of silverware want more. A football career is a short one and a cabinet full of silverware at the end of the day is better than an empty cabinet.
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A league cup is not going to keep our players. Spurs don't win trophies yet we still have fans. Players come and go.They are going to leave deal with it.
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A League Cup might not keep some players but Spurs have to start somewhere. It'll give them a taste of success and winning. If they can see that the direction of the club is winning more and winning bigger, buy buying better players to achieve that, then they might stay. A League Cup win instead of a runners up medal for the mentality of players at Spurs is bigger than people think.
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Didn't happen under Juande Ramos
posted on 14/1/21
It's not just who you play, it's how you ask them to play.
I said when he was appointed I saw levy logic in stabalising the ship and making spurs rough to beat. I just never bought into Jose being the right fit, cos if he doesn't get a blank cheque book he reverts to one style of play.
Ali is the best example. Was worth a fortune but now is playing for a manager that doesn't suit his style. He hasn't just become rubbish he just seems to have lost confidence with his own game, after jose has picked it apart, and his manager.
Didn't jose also bench rashford a fair bit?
My worry would be if he winds a trophy, gets lots to spend but spurs style doesn't become more expansive.
posted on 14/1/21
How many FA Cups did Arsenal win in Wengers last years?
They still weren’t happy with it.
Cup runs are fun and every team should aim to win them, but winning them does not equal or mean sustained growth and progression.
Will I be happy if we win the league cup? Yes, of course. Will that satisfy us with Jose for a few more years? No probably not.
I want long term progression not quick/cheap thrills.
posted on 14/1/21
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
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comment by Bumble (U6465)
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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
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comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
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How stupid is Levy to appoint Mourinho who has replace the entire team.
Trophies are overrated and if we dont win anything this season its going to hit you hard Don.
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Trophies are not over rated at all mate. Spurs don’t win them, so how the f** can any Spurs supporter say that ? Trophies are what makes a footballer strive for. Getting top 4 every season only isn’t. You have to win trophies to and I am sick of Spurs not achieving anything.
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Utterly bonkers comment. Try telling that to Kane who is desperate for just one damn trophy in his career right now. Even teams that win alot of silverware want more. A football career is a short one and a cabinet full of silverware at the end of the day is better than an empty cabinet.
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A league cup is not going to keep our players. Spurs don't win trophies yet we still have fans. Players come and go.They are going to leave deal with it.
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A League Cup might not keep some players but Spurs have to start somewhere. It'll give them a taste of success and winning. If they can see that the direction of the club is winning more and winning bigger, buy buying better players to achieve that, then they might stay. A League Cup win instead of a runners up medal for the mentality of players at Spurs is bigger than people think.
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Couldn’t agree more bumble. A cup win gets the monkey off our back and means the club are prepared to try and win the even bigger trophies. That being said, we still have to get CL, but a trophy is massively important this season.
posted on 14/1/21
This is a very simplistic argument from the OP ie 5 years of nice football / no trophy = bad. 1-2 years of rubbish football / trophy = good.
I have no idea how fluking a minor cup win makes the players believe they are "winners". Surely more important to improve their technical skills/movement/confidence etc on the training pitch.
If the manager has decided we don't want the ball then every game is going to be about the 1 or 2 chances created or the 1 or 2 errors from defenders. Its boring as fack, completely gutless and doesn't even work half the time even with a loaded squad or playing the worst teams in the league.
Forget improving players just buy more that will fix it.
I don't even blame JM really but that 'fan' Levy for wanting one of the 2 celebrity managers. What a kn*b.
Still 2 years left on his contract Levy what ever you do dont give him an extension for winning the Worthington Cup
posted on 14/1/21
Its funny how things change I remember many arguments taking place on here during Poch reign between those who felt getting into the top 4 was more important than a domestic trophy and those who believed the opposite. I also remember his team selections causing fury (Son at right back) and his use of substitutions being constantly rubbished.
Despite the fact that things like Toby playing against Marine instead of Fulham and Dele playing no part in last nights game drive me mad we still should of won. Reg, Son and Kane all missed great chances and Son shouldn't of got caught offside in the build up for our late disallowed winner.
Jose must take his share of the blame but the team he put out was more than good enough to get all the points and should of done.
posted on 14/1/21
poch out imo
posted on 14/1/21
comment by (U22540)
posted 15 minutes ago
This is a very simplistic argument from the OP ie 5 years of nice football / no trophy = bad. 1-2 years of rubbish football / trophy = good.
I have no idea how fluking a minor cup win makes the players believe they are "winners". Surely more important to improve their technical skills/movement/confidence etc on the training pitch.
If the manager has decided we don't want the ball then every game is going to be about the 1 or 2 chances created or the 1 or 2 errors from defenders. Its boring as fack, completely gutless and doesn't even work half the time even with a loaded squad or playing the worst teams in the league.
Forget improving players just buy more that will fix it.
I don't even blame JM really but that 'fan' Levy for wanting one of the 2 celebrity managers. What a kn*b.
Still 2 years left on his contract Levy what ever you do dont give him an extension for winning the Worthington Cup
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It’s not simplistic because Harry Kane has already said he wants to win trophies. Thats our best player saying he wants to win trophies, otherwise he’s off. You honestly think big players want to go through their whole career just getting top 4 with nothing to show for it? If anyone’s simplistic it’s you and incredibly naive to. I never said sacrifice top 4, not once have I said that, so stop putting words in my mouth. What I have said a number of times is we have to start winning trophies to build success. The league cup is a start. That easier enough for you ?
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