Never mind...proper footie will be back soon
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think it was personally, we were far too deep far too early. We had 11 players behind the ball about 40 metres from our goal for a considerable period and I don't even think we hit the hour mark, that's too deep for that stage of the game.
There was no outball that was the issue at that point. It's all well and good making changes, but bringing players with pace to counter, like Saka, won't change anything when we are so far away from their goal. Grealish probably should have come on earlier really if we were going to make any changes.
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Right, but that’s not an issue with defensive football as such, that’s just playing defensive football badly, which we did for quite a lot of the game as we weren’t set up to play it well.
It's down to the manager to change that mentality though, that's where he failed in this game. Substitutions, game management etc all comes into play in that scenario and that's where a better coach like Mancini made the difference whereas Southgate couldn't do the same with our team.
As much as there is a difference with defensive football and playing it badly, you can't just sit off in the manner we did, cup final or not personally.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don’t think even playing defensive football cost us, it was that he needed to make the change sooner to enable us to keep playing defensive football in a controlled manner. The second half up to when they scored was a painful watch.
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I think overall in the tournament we saw a potential weakness in terms of lack of options that could change the nature of the midfield and therefore the balance between playing a more proactive or a more reactive kind of football. Whether that was about tactical inflexibility or not quite trusting the alternative personnel (in particular Bellingham's inexperience) I don't know. What none of us know is whether specific changes would have worked. Perhaps they would have done, but we know that vastly more experienced footballing minds than ours have spent much more time than we have thinking about it, which is why I'm inclined to give the England manager credit for getting within a whisker of winning Euro2020 rather than berating him in the tone of the OP.
I agree completely, I’ve been saying the same thing.
Mancini took Immobile off and played Insigne as a false 9 which shifted the momentum to them.
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We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don’t think even playing defensive football cost us, it was that he needed to make the change sooner to enable us to keep playing defensive football in a controlled manner. The second half up to when they scored was a painful watch.
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I think overall in the tournament we saw a potential weakness in terms of lack of options that could change the nature of the midfield and therefore the balance between playing a more proactive or a more reactive kind of football. Whether that was about tactical inflexibility or not quite trusting the alternative personnel (in particular Bellingham's inexperience) I don't know. What none of us know is whether specific changes would have worked. Perhaps they would have done, but we know that vastly more experienced footballing minds than ours have spent much more time than we have thinking about it, which is why I'm inclined to give the England manager credit for getting within a whisker of winning Euro2020 rather than berating him in the tone of the OP.
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Yeah I’m not in a state of vitriol about any of it, overall it was another great tournament. I am concerned like I said that there is a pattern repeating now though that we don’t seem to be learning from. It’ll be interesting over the next few days to hear Southgates analysis as I thought this was the first game he got his timings wrong.
It is difficult for some though as I do understand people that simply don’t like Southgates style of play and the analysis can get muddled between those that judge it based off that and those that are basing it on his decisions accepting the style of play he’s chosen.
We still got chances on the counter in the CL final. We should have scored more. We brought Origi on and he scored the second. You can't compare a clown like him with one of the best managers In the world.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Unlucky in the end with the pens but thats tournament football.
I think you will go very close in Qatar
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Unlucky in the end with the pens but thats tournament football.
I think you will go very close in Qatar
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No idea how Qatar will go, still seems an odd choice for a summer tournament.
We are very hard to beat though, that much is clear.
I'm hopeful Bellingham really kicks on, our midfield needs an upgrade.
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comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Well now you're just talking sense. This is not the place for that.
606 has a real habit of not giving the opposition any credit. It's always their teams fault, not kudos to the opposition.
Italy changed their shape and worked incredibly hard to get back into it. They also have some fine players, especially in midfield who would all walk into our team. They still couldn't beat us.
It's bizarre that penalties can change an entire narrative. It's one kicks difference.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Unlucky in the end with the pens but thats tournament football.
I think you will go very close in Qatar
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No idea how Qatar will go, still seems an odd choice for a summer tournament.
We are very hard to beat though, that much is clear.
I'm hopeful Bellingham really kicks on, our midfield needs an upgrade.
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Very difficult to beat. For the width of a post who knows?
Great platform to build on and hopefully we will be at the party in Qatar but I fear not
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posted 17 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 34 seconds ago
It's down to the manager to change that mentality though, that's where he failed in this game. Substitutions, game management etc all comes into play in that scenario and that's where a better coach like Mancini made the difference whereas Southgate couldn't do the same with our team.
As much as there is a difference with defensive football and playing it badly, you can't just sit off in the manner we did, cup final or not personally.
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It's far easier to make game changing subs when you're chasing a game. You say it is down to a manger to change mentality, but I'll again use Klopp and our CL final against Spurs. He himself has said we were too deep for his liking.. we were one of the most attacking teams with the most tactically attacking manager in world football and we scored early and sat deep for the next 80 mins or so. We wouldn't have played like that if it was 0-0.
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I wouldn't say it's easier by any means, it's almost less risky to a degree because the changes you make when you're losing a game are always a gamble which you have to take. The changes you make when you're winning could potentially lose you the game.
Yes but the difference is also in the way you set up. The team might have been too deep for his liking, but that might not have been as deep as what we were last night, that's for sure. The mentality is also down to the players you have on the pitch, I'm sure Spurs were not willing to be too gung ho and leave little at the back after an hour knowing that Mane, Salah and Firmino will be counter attacking. Italy at times just left Bonnuci there because we didn't have an outball.
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comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Unlucky in the end with the pens but thats tournament football.
I think you will go very close in Qatar
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No idea how Qatar will go, still seems an odd choice for a summer tournament.
We are very hard to beat though, that much is clear.
I'm hopeful Bellingham really kicks on, our midfield needs an upgrade.
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Rice and Phillips played admirably throughout the tournament, but Verratti & Jorginho / Busquets & Pedri they very clearly ain't. Bellingham is the player who looks like he could take our midfield up a level, and I was desperate to see him playing in the Euros. That said, I didn't watch him through weeks of training and I can understand caution about his lack of experience.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Unlucky in the end with the pens but thats tournament football.
I think you will go very close in Qatar
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No idea how Qatar will go, still seems an odd choice for a summer tournament.
We are very hard to beat though, that much is clear.
I'm hopeful Bellingham really kicks on, our midfield needs an upgrade.
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Rice and Phillips played admirably throughout the tournament, but Verratti & Jorginho / Busquets & Pedri they very clearly ain't. Bellingham is the player who looks like he could take our midfield up a level, and I was desperate to see him playing in the Euros. That said, I didn't watch him through weeks of training and I can understand caution about his lack of experience.
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Yep Bellingham has real quality.
Another season under the belts of Rice and Phillips won't hurt either. They've never even played in Europe.
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It was a weak and cowardly way to lose. 1 shot on target from the 3rd to 120th minute. Kane not having a touch in their area. With the quality of attacking talent we have there's no excuse not to set up more positively.
When you play such defensive football with such a talented team then you have to get the results to show for it.
Would really like to see a progressive manager work with this group but we'll be lumbered with for a long time. Just have to hope we can keep getting miraculously generous routes to the latter stages of tournaments.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Unlucky in the end with the pens but thats tournament football.
I think you will go very close in Qatar
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No idea how Qatar will go, still seems an odd choice for a summer tournament.
We are very hard to beat though, that much is clear.
I'm hopeful Bellingham really kicks on, our midfield needs an upgrade.
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Rice and Phillips played admirably throughout the tournament, but Verratti & Jorginho / Busquets & Pedri they very clearly ain't. Bellingham is the player who looks like he could take our midfield up a level, and I was desperate to see him playing in the Euros. That said, I didn't watch him through weeks of training and I can understand caution about his lack of experience.
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Yep Bellingham has real quality.
Another season under the belts of Rice and Phillips won't hurt either. They've never even played in Europe.
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As someone without a great deal of leisure time, I only usually watch United matches, and hadn't seen a great deal of Rice / hadn't seen a lot to suggest the hype was justified. I've been really impressed with him in the Euros though: intelligent use of the ball, positioning, and although he usually plays it simple, he has the technical ability to play a fancy pass or dribble if he needs to.
I think some people massively overrate our players and underrate the opposition.
Italy's spine shiiiiiiiiits all over ours. They're better than us and are the hardest team to beat in the world at the minute. We drew with a team simply better and more experienced than us.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Unlucky in the end with the pens but thats tournament football.
I think you will go very close in Qatar
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No idea how Qatar will go, still seems an odd choice for a summer tournament.
We are very hard to beat though, that much is clear.
I'm hopeful Bellingham really kicks on, our midfield needs an upgrade.
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Rice and Phillips played admirably throughout the tournament, but Verratti & Jorginho / Busquets & Pedri they very clearly ain't. Bellingham is the player who looks like he could take our midfield up a level, and I was desperate to see him playing in the Euros. That said, I didn't watch him through weeks of training and I can understand caution about his lack of experience.
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Yep Bellingham has real quality.
Another season under the belts of Rice and Phillips won't hurt either. They've never even played in Europe.
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As someone without a great deal of leisure time, I only usually watch United matches, and hadn't seen a great deal of Rice / hadn't seen a lot to suggest the hype was justified. I've been really impressed with him in the Euros though: intelligent use of the ball, positioning, and although he usually plays it simple, he has the technical ability to play a fancy pass or dribble if he needs to.
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Yeah I like Rice. Like many I'd like Southgate to find a system that means just one DM and if Rice continues to improve we may be able to do that with Bellingham B2B.
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posted on 12/7/21
Never mind...proper footie will be back soon
posted on 12/7/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think it was personally, we were far too deep far too early. We had 11 players behind the ball about 40 metres from our goal for a considerable period and I don't even think we hit the hour mark, that's too deep for that stage of the game.
There was no outball that was the issue at that point. It's all well and good making changes, but bringing players with pace to counter, like Saka, won't change anything when we are so far away from their goal. Grealish probably should have come on earlier really if we were going to make any changes.
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Right, but that’s not an issue with defensive football as such, that’s just playing defensive football badly, which we did for quite a lot of the game as we weren’t set up to play it well.
posted on 12/7/21
It's down to the manager to change that mentality though, that's where he failed in this game. Substitutions, game management etc all comes into play in that scenario and that's where a better coach like Mancini made the difference whereas Southgate couldn't do the same with our team.
As much as there is a difference with defensive football and playing it badly, you can't just sit off in the manner we did, cup final or not personally.
posted on 12/7/21
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don’t think even playing defensive football cost us, it was that he needed to make the change sooner to enable us to keep playing defensive football in a controlled manner. The second half up to when they scored was a painful watch.
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I think overall in the tournament we saw a potential weakness in terms of lack of options that could change the nature of the midfield and therefore the balance between playing a more proactive or a more reactive kind of football. Whether that was about tactical inflexibility or not quite trusting the alternative personnel (in particular Bellingham's inexperience) I don't know. What none of us know is whether specific changes would have worked. Perhaps they would have done, but we know that vastly more experienced footballing minds than ours have spent much more time than we have thinking about it, which is why I'm inclined to give the England manager credit for getting within a whisker of winning Euro2020 rather than berating him in the tone of the OP.
posted on 12/7/21
I agree completely, I’ve been saying the same thing.
posted on 12/7/21
Mancini took Immobile off and played Insigne as a false 9 which shifted the momentum to them.
posted on 12/7/21
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posted on 12/7/21
We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
posted on 12/7/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don’t think even playing defensive football cost us, it was that he needed to make the change sooner to enable us to keep playing defensive football in a controlled manner. The second half up to when they scored was a painful watch.
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I think overall in the tournament we saw a potential weakness in terms of lack of options that could change the nature of the midfield and therefore the balance between playing a more proactive or a more reactive kind of football. Whether that was about tactical inflexibility or not quite trusting the alternative personnel (in particular Bellingham's inexperience) I don't know. What none of us know is whether specific changes would have worked. Perhaps they would have done, but we know that vastly more experienced footballing minds than ours have spent much more time than we have thinking about it, which is why I'm inclined to give the England manager credit for getting within a whisker of winning Euro2020 rather than berating him in the tone of the OP.
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Yeah I’m not in a state of vitriol about any of it, overall it was another great tournament. I am concerned like I said that there is a pattern repeating now though that we don’t seem to be learning from. It’ll be interesting over the next few days to hear Southgates analysis as I thought this was the first game he got his timings wrong.
It is difficult for some though as I do understand people that simply don’t like Southgates style of play and the analysis can get muddled between those that judge it based off that and those that are basing it on his decisions accepting the style of play he’s chosen.
posted on 12/7/21
We still got chances on the counter in the CL final. We should have scored more. We brought Origi on and he scored the second. You can't compare a clown like him with one of the best managers In the world.
posted on 12/7/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Unlucky in the end with the pens but thats tournament football.
I think you will go very close in Qatar
posted on 12/7/21
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Unlucky in the end with the pens but thats tournament football.
I think you will go very close in Qatar
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No idea how Qatar will go, still seems an odd choice for a summer tournament.
We are very hard to beat though, that much is clear.
I'm hopeful Bellingham really kicks on, our midfield needs an upgrade.
posted on 12/7/21
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posted on 12/7/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Well now you're just talking sense. This is not the place for that.
posted on 12/7/21
606 has a real habit of not giving the opposition any credit. It's always their teams fault, not kudos to the opposition.
Italy changed their shape and worked incredibly hard to get back into it. They also have some fine players, especially in midfield who would all walk into our team. They still couldn't beat us.
It's bizarre that penalties can change an entire narrative. It's one kicks difference.
posted on 12/7/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Unlucky in the end with the pens but thats tournament football.
I think you will go very close in Qatar
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No idea how Qatar will go, still seems an odd choice for a summer tournament.
We are very hard to beat though, that much is clear.
I'm hopeful Bellingham really kicks on, our midfield needs an upgrade.
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Very difficult to beat. For the width of a post who knows?
Great platform to build on and hopefully we will be at the party in Qatar but I fear not
posted on 12/7/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 34 seconds ago
It's down to the manager to change that mentality though, that's where he failed in this game. Substitutions, game management etc all comes into play in that scenario and that's where a better coach like Mancini made the difference whereas Southgate couldn't do the same with our team.
As much as there is a difference with defensive football and playing it badly, you can't just sit off in the manner we did, cup final or not personally.
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It's far easier to make game changing subs when you're chasing a game. You say it is down to a manger to change mentality, but I'll again use Klopp and our CL final against Spurs. He himself has said we were too deep for his liking.. we were one of the most attacking teams with the most tactically attacking manager in world football and we scored early and sat deep for the next 80 mins or so. We wouldn't have played like that if it was 0-0.
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I wouldn't say it's easier by any means, it's almost less risky to a degree because the changes you make when you're losing a game are always a gamble which you have to take. The changes you make when you're winning could potentially lose you the game.
Yes but the difference is also in the way you set up. The team might have been too deep for his liking, but that might not have been as deep as what we were last night, that's for sure. The mentality is also down to the players you have on the pitch, I'm sure Spurs were not willing to be too gung ho and leave little at the back after an hour knowing that Mane, Salah and Firmino will be counter attacking. Italy at times just left Bonnuci there because we didn't have an outball.
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posted on 12/7/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Unlucky in the end with the pens but thats tournament football.
I think you will go very close in Qatar
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No idea how Qatar will go, still seems an odd choice for a summer tournament.
We are very hard to beat though, that much is clear.
I'm hopeful Bellingham really kicks on, our midfield needs an upgrade.
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Rice and Phillips played admirably throughout the tournament, but Verratti & Jorginho / Busquets & Pedri they very clearly ain't. Bellingham is the player who looks like he could take our midfield up a level, and I was desperate to see him playing in the Euros. That said, I didn't watch him through weeks of training and I can understand caution about his lack of experience.
posted on 12/7/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Unlucky in the end with the pens but thats tournament football.
I think you will go very close in Qatar
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No idea how Qatar will go, still seems an odd choice for a summer tournament.
We are very hard to beat though, that much is clear.
I'm hopeful Bellingham really kicks on, our midfield needs an upgrade.
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Rice and Phillips played admirably throughout the tournament, but Verratti & Jorginho / Busquets & Pedri they very clearly ain't. Bellingham is the player who looks like he could take our midfield up a level, and I was desperate to see him playing in the Euros. That said, I didn't watch him through weeks of training and I can understand caution about his lack of experience.
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Yep Bellingham has real quality.
Another season under the belts of Rice and Phillips won't hurt either. They've never even played in Europe.
posted on 12/7/21
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posted on 12/7/21
It was a weak and cowardly way to lose. 1 shot on target from the 3rd to 120th minute. Kane not having a touch in their area. With the quality of attacking talent we have there's no excuse not to set up more positively.
When you play such defensive football with such a talented team then you have to get the results to show for it.
Would really like to see a progressive manager work with this group but we'll be lumbered with for a long time. Just have to hope we can keep getting miraculously generous routes to the latter stages of tournaments.
posted on 12/7/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Unlucky in the end with the pens but thats tournament football.
I think you will go very close in Qatar
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No idea how Qatar will go, still seems an odd choice for a summer tournament.
We are very hard to beat though, that much is clear.
I'm hopeful Bellingham really kicks on, our midfield needs an upgrade.
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Rice and Phillips played admirably throughout the tournament, but Verratti & Jorginho / Busquets & Pedri they very clearly ain't. Bellingham is the player who looks like he could take our midfield up a level, and I was desperate to see him playing in the Euros. That said, I didn't watch him through weeks of training and I can understand caution about his lack of experience.
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Yep Bellingham has real quality.
Another season under the belts of Rice and Phillips won't hurt either. They've never even played in Europe.
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As someone without a great deal of leisure time, I only usually watch United matches, and hadn't seen a great deal of Rice / hadn't seen a lot to suggest the hype was justified. I've been really impressed with him in the Euros though: intelligent use of the ball, positioning, and although he usually plays it simple, he has the technical ability to play a fancy pass or dribble if he needs to.
posted on 12/7/21
I think some people massively overrate our players and underrate the opposition.
Italy's spine shiiiiiiiiits all over ours. They're better than us and are the hardest team to beat in the world at the minute. We drew with a team simply better and more experienced than us.
posted on 12/7/21
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We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Unlucky in the end with the pens but thats tournament football.
I think you will go very close in Qatar
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No idea how Qatar will go, still seems an odd choice for a summer tournament.
We are very hard to beat though, that much is clear.
I'm hopeful Bellingham really kicks on, our midfield needs an upgrade.
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Rice and Phillips played admirably throughout the tournament, but Verratti & Jorginho / Busquets & Pedri they very clearly ain't. Bellingham is the player who looks like he could take our midfield up a level, and I was desperate to see him playing in the Euros. That said, I didn't watch him through weeks of training and I can understand caution about his lack of experience.
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Yep Bellingham has real quality.
Another season under the belts of Rice and Phillips won't hurt either. They've never even played in Europe.
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As someone without a great deal of leisure time, I only usually watch United matches, and hadn't seen a great deal of Rice / hadn't seen a lot to suggest the hype was justified. I've been really impressed with him in the Euros though: intelligent use of the ball, positioning, and although he usually plays it simple, he has the technical ability to play a fancy pass or dribble if he needs to.
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Yeah I like Rice. Like many I'd like Southgate to find a system that means just one DM and if Rice continues to improve we may be able to do that with Bellingham B2B.
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