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We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Unlucky in the end with the pens but thats tournament football.
I think you will go very close in Qatar
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No idea how Qatar will go, still seems an odd choice for a summer tournament.
We are very hard to beat though, that much is clear.
I'm hopeful Bellingham really kicks on, our midfield needs an upgrade.
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Rice and Phillips played admirably throughout the tournament, but Verratti & Jorginho / Busquets & Pedri they very clearly ain't. Bellingham is the player who looks like he could take our midfield up a level, and I was desperate to see him playing in the Euros. That said, I didn't watch him through weeks of training and I can understand caution about his lack of experience.
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To be fair though, both of those other pairs have greater support and numbers in midfield too. We asked an awful lot of Phillips and Rice this tournament.
Where I do think we went badly wrong was on the penalties. A 19 kid with 6 league goals in 60 games taking the fifth seems remiss.
Southgate says he chose them but I do wonder if he is just saying that to take the hit for the players.
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posted 21 minutes ago
Yep. We drew against a national team who you could quite easily argue is the best national team in the world. We all would have loved a free flowing attacking game but that isn't and won't ever happen under Southgate, and it has served us pretty well the two tournaments he has been in charge.
Italy were the better team last night and deserved to win. It happens.
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Well that's the issue as to why we are falling just short of winning something. I said from the beginning that our style of play will cost us somewhere and it's cost us in the biggest game of the tournament.
Yes, it's been successful getting us that far, but it isn't doing enough to win it unfortunately. Of course Italy are a good side, but so are we. I don't buy into the top nations being better than us, despite Italy being 30+ games unbeaten. I don't see there being a big difference between Italy or us personally speaking in terms of quality on the pitch.
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Where I do think we went badly wrong was on the penalties. A 19 kid with 6 league goals in 60 games taking the fifth seems remiss.
Southgate says he chose them but I do wonder if he is just saying that to take the hit for the players.
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Sterling has taken pens in big shoot outs for City too. Seems strange he didn't take one when he was our best player and should be full of confidence. I was sure it would be him stepping up for the fifth.
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He’s never been great at them though.
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We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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About the only things he got wrong were late subs yesterday, & poor choice of pen takers...for which he has taken responsibility already
I agree with most comments here. Personally I just think it is a simple mentality issue. Why do we clam up as soon as we go a goal up? It will never go away. You can see so many players just whacking it away when they should be keeping it. Nothing to do with technical ability. It’s a mindset that is so ingrained in British footballers. No coincidence we have won FA and history it riddled with performances like this. And please don’t tell me the players are brave. Brave is taking the ball, keeping the ball, passing the ball…not hoofing the ball. Funny how it keeps coming back.
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To be fair we have been decent in possession all tournament. We weren't last night but that is because we sat so deep for so long. I'll point again at Italy who did the same when going 1 down to Spain. A very good team like Italy dropped back and tried to hold on. It happens. We can only hope we continue to learn and grow as a team. I think we have done over the last 3 years. I
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The difference was though that Italy dropped back and didn’t panic when they got the ball back. England (and Maguire especially) hoofed it to no-one in particular on multiple occasions. Wasn’t really his fault as there was no one to get it to. Whereas Italy always had a Chiesa or Insigne to aim for for counter attacks.
Its perfectly acceptable to give proper praise to Southgate for some of the tournament but also slate him for getting it badly wrong today in terms of how he managed the game. The formation he picked was always going to end up sitting back if they went a goal up. And once Italy started to turn the screw he reacted far too late. Had Chiesa not gone off i doubt it would even have gone to penalties.
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To be fair we have been decent in possession all tournament. We weren't last night but that is because we sat so deep for so long. I'll point again at Italy who did the same when going 1 down to Spain. A very good team like Italy dropped back and tried to hold on. It happens. We can only hope we continue to learn and grow as a team. I think we have done over the last 3 years. I
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The difference was though that Italy dropped back and didn’t panic when they got the ball back. England (and Maguire especially) hoofed it to no-one in particular on multiple occasions. Wasn’t really his fault as there was no one to get it to. Whereas Italy always had a Chiesa or Insigne to aim for for counter attacks.
Its perfectly acceptable to give proper praise to Southgate for some of the tournament but also slate him for getting it badly wrong today in terms of how he managed the game. The formation he picked was always going to end up sitting back if they went a goal up. And once Italy started to turn the screw he reacted far too late. Had Chiesa not gone off i doubt it would even have gone to penalties.
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Italy had less than 30% possession after they went a goal down. They didn't keep the ball well either. Granted it wasn't so obvious because there weren't the long punts into touch and also, the lead wasn't held as long but lets not pretend that Italy knocked the ball around when in possession. They kept losing it again and again.
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They were up against a Spanish side who they couldn’t get the ball off. So the lack of possession was more down to how good Spain were than how much of a choice Italy had in sitting back.
Italy aren’t anywhere near as good a possession side as Spain but were made to look so by an England side who with the formation they had making it a conscious or subconscious easy choice to sit back on what they had when up against a good Italy side who weren’t immune to pace. However England never broke with pace after half time. It was a strange choice to try and ride out the 1-0 when with Italy getting more and more dangerous England didn’t do anything to alleviate the threat.
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I do think most of the time, Spain win that game against Italy, thought they were quite unlucky not to win.
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To be fair we have been decent in possession all tournament. We weren't last night but that is because we sat so deep for so long. I'll point again at Italy who did the same when going 1 down to Spain. A very good team like Italy dropped back and tried to hold on. It happens. We can only hope we continue to learn and grow as a team. I think we have done over the last 3 years. I
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The difference was though that Italy dropped back and didn’t panic when they got the ball back. England (and Maguire especially) hoofed it to no-one in particular on multiple occasions. Wasn’t really his fault as there was no one to get it to. Whereas Italy always had a Chiesa or Insigne to aim for for counter attacks.
Its perfectly acceptable to give proper praise to Southgate for some of the tournament but also slate him for getting it badly wrong today in terms of how he managed the game. The formation he picked was always going to end up sitting back if they went a goal up. And once Italy started to turn the screw he reacted far too late. Had Chiesa not gone off i doubt it would even have gone to penalties.
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Italy had less than 30% possession after they went a goal down. They didn't keep the ball well either. Granted it wasn't so obvious because there weren't the long punts into touch and also, the lead wasn't held as long but lets not pretend that Italy knocked the ball around when in possession. They kept losing it again and again.
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They were up against a Spanish side who they couldn’t get the ball off. So the lack of possession was more down to how good Spain were than how much of a choice Italy had in sitting back.
Italy aren’t anywhere near as good a possession side as Spain but were made to look so by an England side who with the formation they had making it a conscious or subconscious easy choice to sit back on what they had when up against a good Italy side who weren’t immune to pace. However England never broke with pace after half time. It was a strange choice to try and ride out the 1-0 when with Italy getting more and more dangerous England didn’t do anything to alleviate the threat.
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Of course Spain are quality on the ball, but in the same way we did last night, Italy dropped off 10 yards and lost their shape when they had the ball which made it very hard to keep the ball.
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Italy didn’t drop off 10 yards against Spain though. Spain dominated from the very start and the Italy goal came against the run of play. The Italy plan was always to sit off and try and get a counter attack goal as they knew they couldn’t compete with Spain toe to toe.
England started well and then dropped back. Once you drop off and allow the opposition to dominate its very hard to change that mentality unless the manager makes tactical changes that alleviate the pressure. Nothing happened and you could see Maguire, Stones and Pickford visibly annoyed when they got the ball and no one was an outlet as they’d all dropped well inside their own half.
Even sending on Calvert Lewin to win long balls up the pitch would have been better than what (didn’t) happen in the end.
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It didn't work for them though, they ended up conceding subsequently taking them to extra time. This is the same mistake we made last night by ourselves, dropping into unnecessarily deep areas for the stage of the game we were at. We were defending as if there was 10/15 minutes left when there was actual 35/40 minutes left, we were always going to get caught out doing that, regardless of the scoreline at the time.
We missed our chance in the first half where we were positive and had Italy on the backfoot. We allowed them back into the game in the second half and allowed their midfielders and better players to dictate the game.
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I know Italy have the quality to go and win games or do as they did last night, but this is a final and we got there through our quality and merit of our own. It wasn't exactly a massive nation against a minnow, there was no clear underdog so there was no reason for us to go about the task in a different way.
It's almost as if we were scared of them so we opted to just sit in, whereas our players on the break would have been able to more than cause them issues on the break ultimately.
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posted on 12/7/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
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comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
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comment by Irishred (U2539)
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We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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Unlucky in the end with the pens but thats tournament football.
I think you will go very close in Qatar
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No idea how Qatar will go, still seems an odd choice for a summer tournament.
We are very hard to beat though, that much is clear.
I'm hopeful Bellingham really kicks on, our midfield needs an upgrade.
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Rice and Phillips played admirably throughout the tournament, but Verratti & Jorginho / Busquets & Pedri they very clearly ain't. Bellingham is the player who looks like he could take our midfield up a level, and I was desperate to see him playing in the Euros. That said, I didn't watch him through weeks of training and I can understand caution about his lack of experience.
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To be fair though, both of those other pairs have greater support and numbers in midfield too. We asked an awful lot of Phillips and Rice this tournament.
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Where I do think we went badly wrong was on the penalties. A 19 kid with 6 league goals in 60 games taking the fifth seems remiss.
Southgate says he chose them but I do wonder if he is just saying that to take the hit for the players.
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comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 21 minutes ago
Yep. We drew against a national team who you could quite easily argue is the best national team in the world. We all would have loved a free flowing attacking game but that isn't and won't ever happen under Southgate, and it has served us pretty well the two tournaments he has been in charge.
Italy were the better team last night and deserved to win. It happens.
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Well that's the issue as to why we are falling just short of winning something. I said from the beginning that our style of play will cost us somewhere and it's cost us in the biggest game of the tournament.
Yes, it's been successful getting us that far, but it isn't doing enough to win it unfortunately. Of course Italy are a good side, but so are we. I don't buy into the top nations being better than us, despite Italy being 30+ games unbeaten. I don't see there being a big difference between Italy or us personally speaking in terms of quality on the pitch.
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comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
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Where I do think we went badly wrong was on the penalties. A 19 kid with 6 league goals in 60 games taking the fifth seems remiss.
Southgate says he chose them but I do wonder if he is just saying that to take the hit for the players.
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Sterling has taken pens in big shoot outs for City too. Seems strange he didn't take one when he was our best player and should be full of confidence. I was sure it would be him stepping up for the fifth.
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We drew against a team unbeaten in 34 game and none of those 34 managed to score two goals against them.
In fact we went the whole tournament unbeaten in noal or even extra time, conceded a miserly two goals and were behind a total of 9 minutes throughout the ENTIRE competitions so to say he got it badly wrong seems reactionary and polarised nonsense to me.
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About the only things he got wrong were late subs yesterday, & poor choice of pen takers...for which he has taken responsibility already
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I agree with most comments here. Personally I just think it is a simple mentality issue. Why do we clam up as soon as we go a goal up? It will never go away. You can see so many players just whacking it away when they should be keeping it. Nothing to do with technical ability. It’s a mindset that is so ingrained in British footballers. No coincidence we have won FA and history it riddled with performances like this. And please don’t tell me the players are brave. Brave is taking the ball, keeping the ball, passing the ball…not hoofing the ball. Funny how it keeps coming back.
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To be fair we have been decent in possession all tournament. We weren't last night but that is because we sat so deep for so long. I'll point again at Italy who did the same when going 1 down to Spain. A very good team like Italy dropped back and tried to hold on. It happens. We can only hope we continue to learn and grow as a team. I think we have done over the last 3 years. I
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The difference was though that Italy dropped back and didn’t panic when they got the ball back. England (and Maguire especially) hoofed it to no-one in particular on multiple occasions. Wasn’t really his fault as there was no one to get it to. Whereas Italy always had a Chiesa or Insigne to aim for for counter attacks.
Its perfectly acceptable to give proper praise to Southgate for some of the tournament but also slate him for getting it badly wrong today in terms of how he managed the game. The formation he picked was always going to end up sitting back if they went a goal up. And once Italy started to turn the screw he reacted far too late. Had Chiesa not gone off i doubt it would even have gone to penalties.
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To be fair we have been decent in possession all tournament. We weren't last night but that is because we sat so deep for so long. I'll point again at Italy who did the same when going 1 down to Spain. A very good team like Italy dropped back and tried to hold on. It happens. We can only hope we continue to learn and grow as a team. I think we have done over the last 3 years. I
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The difference was though that Italy dropped back and didn’t panic when they got the ball back. England (and Maguire especially) hoofed it to no-one in particular on multiple occasions. Wasn’t really his fault as there was no one to get it to. Whereas Italy always had a Chiesa or Insigne to aim for for counter attacks.
Its perfectly acceptable to give proper praise to Southgate for some of the tournament but also slate him for getting it badly wrong today in terms of how he managed the game. The formation he picked was always going to end up sitting back if they went a goal up. And once Italy started to turn the screw he reacted far too late. Had Chiesa not gone off i doubt it would even have gone to penalties.
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Italy had less than 30% possession after they went a goal down. They didn't keep the ball well either. Granted it wasn't so obvious because there weren't the long punts into touch and also, the lead wasn't held as long but lets not pretend that Italy knocked the ball around when in possession. They kept losing it again and again.
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They were up against a Spanish side who they couldn’t get the ball off. So the lack of possession was more down to how good Spain were than how much of a choice Italy had in sitting back.
Italy aren’t anywhere near as good a possession side as Spain but were made to look so by an England side who with the formation they had making it a conscious or subconscious easy choice to sit back on what they had when up against a good Italy side who weren’t immune to pace. However England never broke with pace after half time. It was a strange choice to try and ride out the 1-0 when with Italy getting more and more dangerous England didn’t do anything to alleviate the threat.
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I do think most of the time, Spain win that game against Italy, thought they were quite unlucky not to win.
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To be fair we have been decent in possession all tournament. We weren't last night but that is because we sat so deep for so long. I'll point again at Italy who did the same when going 1 down to Spain. A very good team like Italy dropped back and tried to hold on. It happens. We can only hope we continue to learn and grow as a team. I think we have done over the last 3 years. I
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The difference was though that Italy dropped back and didn’t panic when they got the ball back. England (and Maguire especially) hoofed it to no-one in particular on multiple occasions. Wasn’t really his fault as there was no one to get it to. Whereas Italy always had a Chiesa or Insigne to aim for for counter attacks.
Its perfectly acceptable to give proper praise to Southgate for some of the tournament but also slate him for getting it badly wrong today in terms of how he managed the game. The formation he picked was always going to end up sitting back if they went a goal up. And once Italy started to turn the screw he reacted far too late. Had Chiesa not gone off i doubt it would even have gone to penalties.
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Italy had less than 30% possession after they went a goal down. They didn't keep the ball well either. Granted it wasn't so obvious because there weren't the long punts into touch and also, the lead wasn't held as long but lets not pretend that Italy knocked the ball around when in possession. They kept losing it again and again.
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They were up against a Spanish side who they couldn’t get the ball off. So the lack of possession was more down to how good Spain were than how much of a choice Italy had in sitting back.
Italy aren’t anywhere near as good a possession side as Spain but were made to look so by an England side who with the formation they had making it a conscious or subconscious easy choice to sit back on what they had when up against a good Italy side who weren’t immune to pace. However England never broke with pace after half time. It was a strange choice to try and ride out the 1-0 when with Italy getting more and more dangerous England didn’t do anything to alleviate the threat.
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Of course Spain are quality on the ball, but in the same way we did last night, Italy dropped off 10 yards and lost their shape when they had the ball which made it very hard to keep the ball.
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Italy didn’t drop off 10 yards against Spain though. Spain dominated from the very start and the Italy goal came against the run of play. The Italy plan was always to sit off and try and get a counter attack goal as they knew they couldn’t compete with Spain toe to toe.
England started well and then dropped back. Once you drop off and allow the opposition to dominate its very hard to change that mentality unless the manager makes tactical changes that alleviate the pressure. Nothing happened and you could see Maguire, Stones and Pickford visibly annoyed when they got the ball and no one was an outlet as they’d all dropped well inside their own half.
Even sending on Calvert Lewin to win long balls up the pitch would have been better than what (didn’t) happen in the end.
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It didn't work for them though, they ended up conceding subsequently taking them to extra time. This is the same mistake we made last night by ourselves, dropping into unnecessarily deep areas for the stage of the game we were at. We were defending as if there was 10/15 minutes left when there was actual 35/40 minutes left, we were always going to get caught out doing that, regardless of the scoreline at the time.
We missed our chance in the first half where we were positive and had Italy on the backfoot. We allowed them back into the game in the second half and allowed their midfielders and better players to dictate the game.
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I know Italy have the quality to go and win games or do as they did last night, but this is a final and we got there through our quality and merit of our own. It wasn't exactly a massive nation against a minnow, there was no clear underdog so there was no reason for us to go about the task in a different way.
It's almost as if we were scared of them so we opted to just sit in, whereas our players on the break would have been able to more than cause them issues on the break ultimately.
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