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All the criticism is hindsight.
People weren’t moaning before.
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Before what?
Before we gave up a dominant half time lead with crap tactics and substitutions?
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Well it can’t be changed now.
Move on, there’s a World Cup qualifier in 6 weeks.
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Plenty of time to bin off Southgate and get in a manager that doesn't place caution above all else.
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I suspect Southgate will remain as England manager for however long he wants to.
He is leading us into the WC and has already been offered a two year extension which takes us to the next Euros.
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All the criticism is hindsight.
People weren’t moaning before.
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Before what?
Before we gave up a dominant half time lead with crap tactics and substitutions?
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Well it can’t be changed now.
Move on, there’s a World Cup qualifier in 6 weeks.
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Plenty of time to bin off Southgate and get in a manager that doesn't place caution above all else.
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I suspect Southgate will remain as England manager for however long he wants to.
He is leading us into the WC and has already been offered a two year extension which takes us to the next Euros.
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And rightly so.
https://vt.co/entertainment/gareth-southgate-confirms-he-wants-to-remain-as-england-leader-at-2022-world-cup
What, learn how to dive and play act, and master the dark arts of gamesmanship.
A message from the outside, looking in. Your team get to their first final in over 50 years, you get beat on penalties, and the whinging breaks out, blame being splattered here there and everywhere, all obviously from self-declared ‘experts’. The manager is wrong abysmal, sack him, player X Y of Z should have played better/differently/should have been a penalty taker - he would have undoubtedly scored, wouldn’t he - and the whinge goes on. And on. And on.
What England achieved in the past four weeks was incredible, a team to be proud of, a team and manager to have confidence in. They united the country, brought everyone together, fantastic atmosphere like I’ve never seen before.
Yeah, big disappointment with the penalties. But nobody seems to make any mention, at all, anywhere about the lad the Echo was highlighting, before we got Alisson.
Donnamurra.
What a player. England didn’t lose the final.
He won it for Italy, and well done them.
So please please stop this perpetual whinging.
If you want to learn from italy you only need look to two things.
First they got the ball at the back and moved quick. Donnamura didnt hold it but gave it out quick and the two cbs passed forward.
Our two cbs and rice and Phillip's and add in pickford were just whacking it anywhere or holding it to play really slowly.
It's about attitude. Bit more intent and we move quicker.
The second thing is really just take it as it comes. Southgate was illogical in the last two games. Once we got past germany the competition was wide open to a side of england stature. People need to get over this oh it was a massive achievement. It was expected once we did get past germany.
Against denmark people were questioning the subs in normal time. He just did it again last night. He was saving those subs to take pens as he had 5 to use. He was even careful not to lose the ability by putting 3 on in normal time.
Go try win the game!!
Amazing that last night was only our 2nd major final in history, compared to Italy's 10th. We have a poor record in major tournaments and we must try and become more consistent to compete with the likes of Italy, France, Germany and Spain regularly
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Amazing that last night was only our 2nd major final in history, compared to Italy's 10th. We have a poor record in major tournaments and we must try and become more consistent to compete with the likes of Italy, France, Germany and Spain regularly
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Italy produce much better coaches. Look at all the Italians who have won major titles in England and compare it to the English winners. You have to go back to Redknapp at Portsmouth for the last one. Admittedly they haven't always got chances at big clubs but those who have never managed it: Hodgson at Liverpool, Lampard at Chelsea. Redknapp at Spurs was a success albeit he didn't win anything either. Then the ones at lesser clubs failed to have the know-how to win when getting the chances: Bruce at Hull, Sherwood at Villa, Pardew at West Ham. Southgate is no different here, and only got as far as he did thanks to good fortune.
In terms of the personnel I wouldn't say we are any worse at the moment. Our players are improving all the time. It's just the managers we need to improve on.
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Italy produce much better coaches. Look at all the Italians who have won major titles in England and compare it to the English winners. You have to go back to Redknapp at Portsmouth for the last one. Admittedly they haven't always got chances at big clubs but those who have never managed it: Hodgson at Liverpool, Lampard at Chelsea. Redknapp at Spurs was a success albeit he didn't win anything either. Then the ones at lesser clubs failed to have the know-how to win when getting the chances: Bruce at Hull, Sherwood at Villa, Pardew at West Ham. Southgate is no different here, and only got as far as he did thanks to good fortune.
In terms of the personnel I wouldn't say we are any worse at the moment. Our players are improving all the time. It's just the managers we need to improve on.
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Well we’ve had worse!
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Italy produce much better coaches. Look at all the Italians who have won major titles in England and compare it to the English winners. You have to go back to Redknapp at Portsmouth for the last one. Admittedly they haven't always got chances at big clubs but those who have never managed it: Hodgson at Liverpool, Lampard at Chelsea. Redknapp at Spurs was a success albeit he didn't win anything either. Then the ones at lesser clubs failed to have the know-how to win when getting the chances: Bruce at Hull, Sherwood at Villa, Pardew at West Ham. Southgate is no different here, and only got as far as he did thanks to good fortune.
In terms of the personnel I wouldn't say we are any worse at the moment. Our players are improving all the time. It's just the managers we need to improve on.
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Well we’ve had worse!
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Who is we? Spurs or England?
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Italy produce much better coaches. Look at all the Italians who have won major titles in England and compare it to the English winners. You have to go back to Redknapp at Portsmouth for the last one. Admittedly they haven't always got chances at big clubs but those who have never managed it: Hodgson at Liverpool, Lampard at Chelsea. Redknapp at Spurs was a success albeit he didn't win anything either. Then the ones at lesser clubs failed to have the know-how to win when getting the chances: Bruce at Hull, Sherwood at Villa, Pardew at West Ham. Southgate is no different here, and only got as far as he did thanks to good fortune.
In terms of the personnel I wouldn't say we are any worse at the moment. Our players are improving all the time. It's just the managers we need to improve on.
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Well we’ve had worse!
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Who is we? Spurs or England?
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Both!
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Italy produce much better coaches. Look at all the Italians who have won major titles in England and compare it to the English winners. You have to go back to Redknapp at Portsmouth for the last one. Admittedly they haven't always got chances at big clubs but those who have never managed it: Hodgson at Liverpool, Lampard at Chelsea. Redknapp at Spurs was a success albeit he didn't win anything either. Then the ones at lesser clubs failed to have the know-how to win when getting the chances: Bruce at Hull, Sherwood at Villa, Pardew at West Ham. Southgate is no different here, and only got as far as he did thanks to good fortune.
In terms of the personnel I wouldn't say we are any worse at the moment. Our players are improving all the time. It's just the managers we need to improve on.
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Well we’ve had worse!
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Who is we? Spurs or England?
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Both!
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True of course. Southgate looks to be better than Capello and Hodgson I guess. Just not someone that is going to win us anything.
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Italy produce much better coaches. Look at all the Italians who have won major titles in England and compare it to the English winners. You have to go back to Redknapp at Portsmouth for the last one. Admittedly they haven't always got chances at big clubs but those who have never managed it: Hodgson at Liverpool, Lampard at Chelsea. Redknapp at Spurs was a success albeit he didn't win anything either. Then the ones at lesser clubs failed to have the know-how to win when getting the chances: Bruce at Hull, Sherwood at Villa, Pardew at West Ham. Southgate is no different here, and only got as far as he did thanks to good fortune.
In terms of the personnel I wouldn't say we are any worse at the moment. Our players are improving all the time. It's just the managers we need to improve on.
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Well we’ve had worse!
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Who is we? Spurs or England?
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Both!
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True of course. Southgate looks to be better than Capello and Hodgson I guess. Just not someone that is going to win us anything.
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Well he came bloody close.
Closer than anybody since Sir Alf Ramsey!
You forget that the England manager job is a poisoned chalice that the best managers wouldn’t touch with a barge pole.
Remember Graham Taylor being done up like a turnip?!
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Italy produce much better coaches. Look at all the Italians who have won major titles in England and compare it to the English winners. You have to go back to Redknapp at Portsmouth for the last one. Admittedly they haven't always got chances at big clubs but those who have never managed it: Hodgson at Liverpool, Lampard at Chelsea. Redknapp at Spurs was a success albeit he didn't win anything either. Then the ones at lesser clubs failed to have the know-how to win when getting the chances: Bruce at Hull, Sherwood at Villa, Pardew at West Ham. Southgate is no different here, and only got as far as he did thanks to good fortune.
In terms of the personnel I wouldn't say we are any worse at the moment. Our players are improving all the time. It's just the managers we need to improve on.
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Well we’ve had worse!
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Who is we? Spurs or England?
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Both!
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True of course. Southgate looks to be better than Capello and Hodgson I guess. Just not someone that is going to win us anything.
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Well he came bloody close.
Closer than anybody since Sir Alf Ramsey!
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We had the best chance to win anything since Ramsey to be fair. It will not be the same at Qatar.
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Italy produce much better coaches. Look at all the Italians who have won major titles in England and compare it to the English winners. You have to go back to Redknapp at Portsmouth for the last one. Admittedly they haven't always got chances at big clubs but those who have never managed it: Hodgson at Liverpool, Lampard at Chelsea. Redknapp at Spurs was a success albeit he didn't win anything either. Then the ones at lesser clubs failed to have the know-how to win when getting the chances: Bruce at Hull, Sherwood at Villa, Pardew at West Ham. Southgate is no different here, and only got as far as he did thanks to good fortune.
In terms of the personnel I wouldn't say we are any worse at the moment. Our players are improving all the time. It's just the managers we need to improve on.
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Well we’ve had worse!
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Who is we? Spurs or England?
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Both!
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True of course. Southgate looks to be better than Capello and Hodgson I guess. Just not someone that is going to win us anything.
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Well he came bloody close.
Closer than anybody since Sir Alf Ramsey!
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We had the best chance to win anything since Ramsey to be fair. It will not be the same at Qatar.
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Of course not.
It will be about a thousand degrees and South America’s teams will be there!
The old farts at The FA are the problem and have been for donkeys years.
Over the years they have refused to appoint the best candidates (Clough, Redknapp), and essentially sacked those doing a great job (Venables, Hoddle). While at the same time appointing yes men and clowns such as McLaren, Capello and Hodgson etc.
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English football can learn from Italy, imo. Don’t get bogged down with style of football or building for the “next competition", be competitive, defend well and have the belief you can win it.
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Southgate's England have kind of been that tbh, and I think it's great. He's had a plan/stuck to it, the emphasis has been on defence, and the mental block is getting chipped at (slowly but never the less).
Honestly, just my opinion, but the only thing Southgate's missing is a CV that instils belief in fans so his decisions don't get cross analysed from every angle. We've had FARRRRRRRRRR better managers in his chair overcomplicate the hell out of this job, he keeps it simple and that's exactly what's required
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But we have a good crop of attacking players and virtually no defenders
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True, but building on a foundation set by the last tournament where the likes of Foden, Mount & Sancho weren't ready yet, I appreciate the fact Southgate kept consistency in the camp (so undervalued in International football) by incorporating different players but not totally changing up the defensive style. For the Qatar WC, I'd expect that to be evolved once again & we'll keep the majority of the players, but the style will be a bit more aggressive as the squad gel more.
Previous England managers have had a habit of trying to force things either into their own ideology or shove square pegs in round holes. I guarantee a different England manager this tournament would've played the same way, but still attempted to shoehorn Grealish into the team somehow upsetting the balance. Or catered to the attackers more in general, maybe by picking one holding midfielder rather than two, and we found the balance upset again.
Southgate's England feel a little bit more like a club team than previous one's, in camaraderie but also tactically, and I love that.
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English football can learn from Italy, imo. Don’t get bogged down with style of football or building for the “next competition", be competitive, defend well and have the belief you can win it.
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Southgate's England have kind of been that tbh, and I think it's great. He's had a plan/stuck to it, the emphasis has been on defence, and the mental block is getting chipped at (slowly but never the less).
Honestly, just my opinion, but the only thing Southgate's missing is a CV that instils belief in fans so his decisions don't get cross analysed from every angle. We've had FARRRRRRRRRR better managers in his chair overcomplicate the hell out of this job, he keeps it simple and that's exactly what's required
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But we have a good crop of attacking players and virtually no defenders
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True, but building on a foundation set by the last tournament where the likes of Foden, Mount & Sancho weren't ready yet, I appreciate the fact Southgate kept consistency in the camp (so undervalued in International football) by incorporating different players but not totally changing up the defensive style. For the Qatar WC, I'd expect that to be evolved once again & we'll keep the majority of the players, but the style will be a bit more aggressive as the squad gel more.
Previous England managers have had a habit of trying to force things either into their own ideology or shove square pegs in round holes. I guarantee a different England manager this tournament would've played the same way, but still attempted to shoehorn Grealish into the team somehow upsetting the balance. Or catered to the attackers more in general, maybe by picking one holding midfielder rather than two, and we found the balance upset again.
Southgate's England feel a little bit more like a club team than previous one's, in camaraderie but also tactically, and I love that.
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Your point is well made and I would agree that most england managers played flavour of the month type and yes england played a set way and looked able to change it up enough yet.maintain that style.
The pity it was the most negative dearly rubbish going that Tony pulis could have served up though.
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posted on 12/7/21
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All the criticism is hindsight.
People weren’t moaning before.
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Before what?
Before we gave up a dominant half time lead with crap tactics and substitutions?
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Well it can’t be changed now.
Move on, there’s a World Cup qualifier in 6 weeks.
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Plenty of time to bin off Southgate and get in a manager that doesn't place caution above all else.
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I suspect Southgate will remain as England manager for however long he wants to.
He is leading us into the WC and has already been offered a two year extension which takes us to the next Euros.
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All the criticism is hindsight.
People weren’t moaning before.
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Before what?
Before we gave up a dominant half time lead with crap tactics and substitutions?
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Well it can’t be changed now.
Move on, there’s a World Cup qualifier in 6 weeks.
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Plenty of time to bin off Southgate and get in a manager that doesn't place caution above all else.
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I suspect Southgate will remain as England manager for however long he wants to.
He is leading us into the WC and has already been offered a two year extension which takes us to the next Euros.
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And rightly so.
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https://vt.co/entertainment/gareth-southgate-confirms-he-wants-to-remain-as-england-leader-at-2022-world-cup
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What, learn how to dive and play act, and master the dark arts of gamesmanship.
posted on 12/7/21
A message from the outside, looking in. Your team get to their first final in over 50 years, you get beat on penalties, and the whinging breaks out, blame being splattered here there and everywhere, all obviously from self-declared ‘experts’. The manager is wrong abysmal, sack him, player X Y of Z should have played better/differently/should have been a penalty taker - he would have undoubtedly scored, wouldn’t he - and the whinge goes on. And on. And on.
What England achieved in the past four weeks was incredible, a team to be proud of, a team and manager to have confidence in. They united the country, brought everyone together, fantastic atmosphere like I’ve never seen before.
Yeah, big disappointment with the penalties. But nobody seems to make any mention, at all, anywhere about the lad the Echo was highlighting, before we got Alisson.
Donnamurra.
What a player. England didn’t lose the final.
He won it for Italy, and well done them.
So please please stop this perpetual whinging.
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If you want to learn from italy you only need look to two things.
First they got the ball at the back and moved quick. Donnamura didnt hold it but gave it out quick and the two cbs passed forward.
Our two cbs and rice and Phillip's and add in pickford were just whacking it anywhere or holding it to play really slowly.
It's about attitude. Bit more intent and we move quicker.
The second thing is really just take it as it comes. Southgate was illogical in the last two games. Once we got past germany the competition was wide open to a side of england stature. People need to get over this oh it was a massive achievement. It was expected once we did get past germany.
Against denmark people were questioning the subs in normal time. He just did it again last night. He was saving those subs to take pens as he had 5 to use. He was even careful not to lose the ability by putting 3 on in normal time.
Go try win the game!!
posted on 12/7/21
Amazing that last night was only our 2nd major final in history, compared to Italy's 10th. We have a poor record in major tournaments and we must try and become more consistent to compete with the likes of Italy, France, Germany and Spain regularly
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posted 8 hours, 11 minutes ago
Amazing that last night was only our 2nd major final in history, compared to Italy's 10th. We have a poor record in major tournaments and we must try and become more consistent to compete with the likes of Italy, France, Germany and Spain regularly
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Italy produce much better coaches. Look at all the Italians who have won major titles in England and compare it to the English winners. You have to go back to Redknapp at Portsmouth for the last one. Admittedly they haven't always got chances at big clubs but those who have never managed it: Hodgson at Liverpool, Lampard at Chelsea. Redknapp at Spurs was a success albeit he didn't win anything either. Then the ones at lesser clubs failed to have the know-how to win when getting the chances: Bruce at Hull, Sherwood at Villa, Pardew at West Ham. Southgate is no different here, and only got as far as he did thanks to good fortune.
In terms of the personnel I wouldn't say we are any worse at the moment. Our players are improving all the time. It's just the managers we need to improve on.
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Italy produce much better coaches. Look at all the Italians who have won major titles in England and compare it to the English winners. You have to go back to Redknapp at Portsmouth for the last one. Admittedly they haven't always got chances at big clubs but those who have never managed it: Hodgson at Liverpool, Lampard at Chelsea. Redknapp at Spurs was a success albeit he didn't win anything either. Then the ones at lesser clubs failed to have the know-how to win when getting the chances: Bruce at Hull, Sherwood at Villa, Pardew at West Ham. Southgate is no different here, and only got as far as he did thanks to good fortune.
In terms of the personnel I wouldn't say we are any worse at the moment. Our players are improving all the time. It's just the managers we need to improve on.
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Well we’ve had worse!
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Italy produce much better coaches. Look at all the Italians who have won major titles in England and compare it to the English winners. You have to go back to Redknapp at Portsmouth for the last one. Admittedly they haven't always got chances at big clubs but those who have never managed it: Hodgson at Liverpool, Lampard at Chelsea. Redknapp at Spurs was a success albeit he didn't win anything either. Then the ones at lesser clubs failed to have the know-how to win when getting the chances: Bruce at Hull, Sherwood at Villa, Pardew at West Ham. Southgate is no different here, and only got as far as he did thanks to good fortune.
In terms of the personnel I wouldn't say we are any worse at the moment. Our players are improving all the time. It's just the managers we need to improve on.
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Well we’ve had worse!
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Who is we? Spurs or England?
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Italy produce much better coaches. Look at all the Italians who have won major titles in England and compare it to the English winners. You have to go back to Redknapp at Portsmouth for the last one. Admittedly they haven't always got chances at big clubs but those who have never managed it: Hodgson at Liverpool, Lampard at Chelsea. Redknapp at Spurs was a success albeit he didn't win anything either. Then the ones at lesser clubs failed to have the know-how to win when getting the chances: Bruce at Hull, Sherwood at Villa, Pardew at West Ham. Southgate is no different here, and only got as far as he did thanks to good fortune.
In terms of the personnel I wouldn't say we are any worse at the moment. Our players are improving all the time. It's just the managers we need to improve on.
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Well we’ve had worse!
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Who is we? Spurs or England?
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Both!
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Italy produce much better coaches. Look at all the Italians who have won major titles in England and compare it to the English winners. You have to go back to Redknapp at Portsmouth for the last one. Admittedly they haven't always got chances at big clubs but those who have never managed it: Hodgson at Liverpool, Lampard at Chelsea. Redknapp at Spurs was a success albeit he didn't win anything either. Then the ones at lesser clubs failed to have the know-how to win when getting the chances: Bruce at Hull, Sherwood at Villa, Pardew at West Ham. Southgate is no different here, and only got as far as he did thanks to good fortune.
In terms of the personnel I wouldn't say we are any worse at the moment. Our players are improving all the time. It's just the managers we need to improve on.
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Well we’ve had worse!
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Who is we? Spurs or England?
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Both!
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True of course. Southgate looks to be better than Capello and Hodgson I guess. Just not someone that is going to win us anything.
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Italy produce much better coaches. Look at all the Italians who have won major titles in England and compare it to the English winners. You have to go back to Redknapp at Portsmouth for the last one. Admittedly they haven't always got chances at big clubs but those who have never managed it: Hodgson at Liverpool, Lampard at Chelsea. Redknapp at Spurs was a success albeit he didn't win anything either. Then the ones at lesser clubs failed to have the know-how to win when getting the chances: Bruce at Hull, Sherwood at Villa, Pardew at West Ham. Southgate is no different here, and only got as far as he did thanks to good fortune.
In terms of the personnel I wouldn't say we are any worse at the moment. Our players are improving all the time. It's just the managers we need to improve on.
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Well we’ve had worse!
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Who is we? Spurs or England?
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Both!
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True of course. Southgate looks to be better than Capello and Hodgson I guess. Just not someone that is going to win us anything.
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Well he came bloody close.
Closer than anybody since Sir Alf Ramsey!
posted on 13/7/21
You forget that the England manager job is a poisoned chalice that the best managers wouldn’t touch with a barge pole.
Remember Graham Taylor being done up like a turnip?!
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Italy produce much better coaches. Look at all the Italians who have won major titles in England and compare it to the English winners. You have to go back to Redknapp at Portsmouth for the last one. Admittedly they haven't always got chances at big clubs but those who have never managed it: Hodgson at Liverpool, Lampard at Chelsea. Redknapp at Spurs was a success albeit he didn't win anything either. Then the ones at lesser clubs failed to have the know-how to win when getting the chances: Bruce at Hull, Sherwood at Villa, Pardew at West Ham. Southgate is no different here, and only got as far as he did thanks to good fortune.
In terms of the personnel I wouldn't say we are any worse at the moment. Our players are improving all the time. It's just the managers we need to improve on.
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Well we’ve had worse!
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Who is we? Spurs or England?
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Both!
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True of course. Southgate looks to be better than Capello and Hodgson I guess. Just not someone that is going to win us anything.
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Well he came bloody close.
Closer than anybody since Sir Alf Ramsey!
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We had the best chance to win anything since Ramsey to be fair. It will not be the same at Qatar.
posted on 13/7/21
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posted 32 seconds ago
Italy produce much better coaches. Look at all the Italians who have won major titles in England and compare it to the English winners. You have to go back to Redknapp at Portsmouth for the last one. Admittedly they haven't always got chances at big clubs but those who have never managed it: Hodgson at Liverpool, Lampard at Chelsea. Redknapp at Spurs was a success albeit he didn't win anything either. Then the ones at lesser clubs failed to have the know-how to win when getting the chances: Bruce at Hull, Sherwood at Villa, Pardew at West Ham. Southgate is no different here, and only got as far as he did thanks to good fortune.
In terms of the personnel I wouldn't say we are any worse at the moment. Our players are improving all the time. It's just the managers we need to improve on.
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Well we’ve had worse!
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Who is we? Spurs or England?
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Both!
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True of course. Southgate looks to be better than Capello and Hodgson I guess. Just not someone that is going to win us anything.
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Well he came bloody close.
Closer than anybody since Sir Alf Ramsey!
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We had the best chance to win anything since Ramsey to be fair. It will not be the same at Qatar.
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Of course not.
It will be about a thousand degrees and South America’s teams will be there!
posted on 13/7/21
The old farts at The FA are the problem and have been for donkeys years.
Over the years they have refused to appoint the best candidates (Clough, Redknapp), and essentially sacked those doing a great job (Venables, Hoddle). While at the same time appointing yes men and clowns such as McLaren, Capello and Hodgson etc.
posted on 13/7/21
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 18 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 26 minutes ago
English football can learn from Italy, imo. Don’t get bogged down with style of football or building for the “next competition", be competitive, defend well and have the belief you can win it.
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Southgate's England have kind of been that tbh, and I think it's great. He's had a plan/stuck to it, the emphasis has been on defence, and the mental block is getting chipped at (slowly but never the less).
Honestly, just my opinion, but the only thing Southgate's missing is a CV that instils belief in fans so his decisions don't get cross analysed from every angle. We've had FARRRRRRRRRR better managers in his chair overcomplicate the hell out of this job, he keeps it simple and that's exactly what's required
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But we have a good crop of attacking players and virtually no defenders
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True, but building on a foundation set by the last tournament where the likes of Foden, Mount & Sancho weren't ready yet, I appreciate the fact Southgate kept consistency in the camp (so undervalued in International football) by incorporating different players but not totally changing up the defensive style. For the Qatar WC, I'd expect that to be evolved once again & we'll keep the majority of the players, but the style will be a bit more aggressive as the squad gel more.
Previous England managers have had a habit of trying to force things either into their own ideology or shove square pegs in round holes. I guarantee a different England manager this tournament would've played the same way, but still attempted to shoehorn Grealish into the team somehow upsetting the balance. Or catered to the attackers more in general, maybe by picking one holding midfielder rather than two, and we found the balance upset again.
Southgate's England feel a little bit more like a club team than previous one's, in camaraderie but also tactically, and I love that.
posted on 13/7/21
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 8 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 18 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 26 minutes ago
English football can learn from Italy, imo. Don’t get bogged down with style of football or building for the “next competition", be competitive, defend well and have the belief you can win it.
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Southgate's England have kind of been that tbh, and I think it's great. He's had a plan/stuck to it, the emphasis has been on defence, and the mental block is getting chipped at (slowly but never the less).
Honestly, just my opinion, but the only thing Southgate's missing is a CV that instils belief in fans so his decisions don't get cross analysed from every angle. We've had FARRRRRRRRRR better managers in his chair overcomplicate the hell out of this job, he keeps it simple and that's exactly what's required
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But we have a good crop of attacking players and virtually no defenders
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True, but building on a foundation set by the last tournament where the likes of Foden, Mount & Sancho weren't ready yet, I appreciate the fact Southgate kept consistency in the camp (so undervalued in International football) by incorporating different players but not totally changing up the defensive style. For the Qatar WC, I'd expect that to be evolved once again & we'll keep the majority of the players, but the style will be a bit more aggressive as the squad gel more.
Previous England managers have had a habit of trying to force things either into their own ideology or shove square pegs in round holes. I guarantee a different England manager this tournament would've played the same way, but still attempted to shoehorn Grealish into the team somehow upsetting the balance. Or catered to the attackers more in general, maybe by picking one holding midfielder rather than two, and we found the balance upset again.
Southgate's England feel a little bit more like a club team than previous one's, in camaraderie but also tactically, and I love that.
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Your point is well made and I would agree that most england managers played flavour of the month type and yes england played a set way and looked able to change it up enough yet.maintain that style.
The pity it was the most negative dearly rubbish going that Tony pulis could have served up though.
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