comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 10 minutes ago
my question to robb (and anyone else that cares) is do you think player power has gone to far. Cause I do. Not because we are losing pogba but because it has facilated a level of greed that is unsustainable to any club operating under economic reality.
Barca found this out the hard way as they tried to hold on to messi meeting is wage demands or risk losing him to financially doped club. Is this a good thing in your opinion as a football fan?
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Personally I don't and I'm not keen on fans calling players greedy either. Players have a market value, they don't set that value, either in terms of transfer fee or wages, it's set by what clubs are willing to pay for their services.
Any player is going to try and maximise their earning potential. It's not only the obvious thing to do economically but nobody likes to feel someone of lesser value is being given greater reward.
If the current situation is unsustainable then the responsibility is with the owners of clubs to ensure they're properly managed. To not offer more in wages than the club can handle. To have a reasonable wage structure and not to employee the 'at any cost' attitude.
I think players have many responsibilities in the game (and outside it) but the financial health of their club isn't one of them.
As a slight aside, I really can see more and more players running done their contracts. As someone like Pogba, why restrict your playing options to the clubs who have bids accepted. Keep your options open and you can go wherever you like. One of the best examples of this is Michael Owen I think - he ended up in Newcastle because that was the only bid RM accepted. If I were a player I wouldn't want to be restricted like that.
Garner
I've no doubt players move to the PL for the money, I've never said otherwise. I'm saying a lot (not all) players do move here because of the quality, rather than wanting to win a throphy or play in the CL. If that were the case then you'd have more players wanting to move to clubs like Ajax, Leipzig, Seville, Monaco, Atalanta, Benfica than teams below the big 4 in the PL, which they in the main don't.
If I was a player and had accumulated enough wealth my main priority would be weather and lifestyle. I remember when Samir Nasri went to Sevilla after being in Manchester for a bit and he was like a pig in shiiiit after seeing all the stunning Spanish women and loved the constant sun.
Club has a decision to make. We either thrown a £30m a year contract at Pogba or we go all out agreeing a summer transfer for Haaland.
Depends what stage in your career I guess. If I was competitive (which I'm guessing I would be if I made it to that level) then I think I'd wanna play at the highest level I can. But like you say once you're secure your priorities will change. If I had stupid amounts of money I'd probably still prefer to live in London over a hotter climate though and then just enjoy my summer away.
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 10 minutes ago
my question to robb (and anyone else that cares) is do you think player power has gone to far. Cause I do. Not because we are losing pogba but because it has facilated a level of greed that is unsustainable to any club operating under economic reality.
Barca found this out the hard way as they tried to hold on to messi meeting is wage demands or risk losing him to financially doped club. Is this a good thing in your opinion as a football fan?
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Personally I don't and I'm not keen on fans calling players greedy either. Players have a market value, they don't set that value, either in terms of transfer fee or wages, it's set by what clubs are willing to pay for their services.
Any player is going to try and maximise their earning potential. It's not only the obvious thing to do economically but nobody likes to feel someone of lesser value is being given greater reward.
If the current situation is unsustainable then the responsibility is with the owners of clubs to ensure they're properly managed. To not offer more in wages than the club can handle. To have a reasonable wage structure and not to employee the 'at any cost' attitude.
I think players have many responsibilities in the game (and outside it) but the financial health of their club isn't one of them.
As a slight aside, I really can see more and more players running done their contracts. As someone like Pogba, why restrict your playing options to the clubs who have bids accepted. Keep your options open and you can go wherever you like. One of the best examples of this is Michael Owen I think - he ended up in Newcastle because that was the only bid RM accepted. If I were a player I wouldn't want to be restricted like that.
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You pointed out that the financial health of the club is not a players responsibility. I agree it is the responsibility of the clubs and the policy makers. The current policies are such that it encourages greed from all parties.
Fans expect their club to be financially responsible and successful, sadly these 2 do not go hand in hand in the current football landscape. The EPL is somewhat sheltered atm but for how long?
Its would be nice to get a fee, but not the end of the world if he contributes to a successful season before going on a free.
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 10 minutes ago
my question to robb (and anyone else that cares) is do you think player power has gone to far. Cause I do. Not because we are losing pogba but because it has facilated a level of greed that is unsustainable to any club operating under economic reality.
Barca found this out the hard way as they tried to hold on to messi meeting is wage demands or risk losing him to financially doped club. Is this a good thing in your opinion as a football fan?
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Personally I don't and I'm not keen on fans calling players greedy either. Players have a market value, they don't set that value, either in terms of transfer fee or wages, it's set by what clubs are willing to pay for their services.
Any player is going to try and maximise their earning potential. It's not only the obvious thing to do economically but nobody likes to feel someone of lesser value is being given greater reward.
If the current situation is unsustainable then the responsibility is with the owners of clubs to ensure they're properly managed. To not offer more in wages than the club can handle. To have a reasonable wage structure and not to employee the 'at any cost' attitude.
I think players have many responsibilities in the game (and outside it) but the financial health of their club isn't one of them.
As a slight aside, I really can see more and more players running done their contracts. As someone like Pogba, why restrict your playing options to the clubs who have bids accepted. Keep your options open and you can go wherever you like. One of the best examples of this is Michael Owen I think - he ended up in Newcastle because that was the only bid RM accepted. If I were a player I wouldn't want to be restricted like that.
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You pointed out that the financial health of the club is not a players responsibility. I agree it is the responsibility of the clubs and the policy makers. The current policies are such that it encourages greed from all parties.
Fans expect their club to be financially responsible and successful, sadly these 2 do not go hand in hand in the current football landscape. The EPL is somewhat sheltered atm but for how long?
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How is greed encouraged from all parties? Do you mean the rewards for success on the pitch are such that owners are prepared to take risks? I agree with that, history is littered with examples of owners that have gambled on success. Changes like fit and proper owners tests and FFP (whatever you may think of the success/failure) have at least tried to minimise that risk. But ultimately if an owner wants to act recklessly then they're able to. I don't see how any of that makes players culpable or even greedy.
I completely agree with the fan expectation pressuring sensible ownership. Fans of all big clubs are guilty of this - craving success, wanting the club to spend big. In one sense I get it, we're just fans and we want to see our teams play well and win. But there's the uglier side of it whereby fans demand success and protest against owners who might actually be doing the right thing for the longer term prospect of the club.
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 18 minutes ago
Its would be nice to get a fee, but not the end of the world if he contributes to a successful season before going on a free.
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I'm pretty much there too. I'd probably prefer us to sell now, if keeping him is likely to be to the detriment of what we can afford in terms of replacing him next year. But if he has a great season and contributes positively, then at least there has been some benefit to him staying on and leaving on a free
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 18 minutes ago
Its would be nice to get a fee, but not the end of the world if he contributes to a successful season before going on a free.
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I'm pretty much there too. I'd probably prefer us to sell now, if keeping him is likely to be to the detriment of what we can afford in terms of replacing him next year. But if he has a great season and contributes positively, then at least there has been some benefit to him staying on and leaving on a free
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When you talk about Pogba the bluebird of optimism is often quickly replaced by the chicken of despair.
I'm hoping he spends this season trying to impress his suitors.
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When you talk about Pogba the bluebird of optimism is often quickly replaced by the chicken of despair.
I'm hoping he spends this season trying to impress his suitors.
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good to see one of the narratives for this season set then, that if he has a good season it will only be because he's playing for a move.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Our Number 7 is the King of Uruguay (U1270)
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When you talk about Pogba the bluebird of optimism is often quickly replaced by the chicken of despair.
I'm hoping he spends this season trying to impress his suitors.
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good to see one of the narratives for this season set then, that if he has a good season it will only be because he's playing for a move.
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Ha ha, that's not a narrative, Don, it's just something that's been observed many times with other players (Viduka was the classic).
You know I don't come on here to slate the team.
He can fk right off imo. If he doesn’t sign a contract and goes for free next summer he really can fk right off.
I like the guy but if he doesn’t see what is happening here at OT and give us two more years say, then leave to his dream club or W/E, then guess what? He can fk right off
😂
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Our Number 7 is the King of Uruguay (U1270)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 18 minutes ago
Its would be nice to get a fee, but not the end of the world if he contributes to a successful season before going on a free.
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I'm pretty much there too. I'd probably prefer us to sell now, if keeping him is likely to be to the detriment of what we can afford in terms of replacing him next year. But if he has a great season and contributes positively, then at least there has been some benefit to him staying on and leaving on a free
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When you talk about Pogba the bluebird of optimism is often quickly replaced by the chicken of despair.
I'm hoping he spends this season trying to impress his suitors.
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I am probably pogba's biggest fan on here but we clearly let him and his agent play us. Anyone who thinks pogba and his agent did not engineer this current situation is beyond naive.
He teased utd with the hope of signing a new contract for 2 years. I understand why he did what he did as he was looking out for himself but utd should have been more savvy.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
I like the guy but if he doesn’t see what is happening here at OT
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what is happening here at OT? since we last won the league 4 other clubs have won it, and since we last got to a CL final 4 english clubs have made the final, with two of them winning it.
we'll see how this season goes, but pretending that leaving united for psg/madrid etc would be a step down is just silly.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
I like the guy but if he doesn’t see what is happening here at OT
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what is happening here at OT? since we last won the league 4 other clubs have won it, and since we last got to a CL final 4 english clubs have made the final, with two of them winning it.
we'll see how this season goes, but pretending that leaving united for psg/madrid etc would be a step down is just silly.
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this is probably why I cannot be mad at pogba
He is one of my favourite players since he was teenager but it is clear to everyone that pogba will always put pogba's interest over utd.
I look back to yester years where we had some ofthe best players lining up for utd and they could have very easily engineered a situation to earn a move and more money but the thought it appeared never even crossed their minds. Maybe they were too busy focusing on winning stuff. Would pogba's attitude be different in a successful utd team? I think so
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
I like the guy but if he doesn’t see what is happening here at OT
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what is happening here at OT? since we last won the league 4 other clubs have won it, and since we last got to a CL final 4 english clubs have made the final, with two of them winning it.
we'll see how this season goes, but pretending that leaving united for psg/madrid etc would be a step down is just silly.
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Don’t worry Don, one day Chelsea will buy Pogba for £100 million and then he’ll go on to prove you right for the faith in him. It’s the JaWay 😅
There is an easy compromise here.
Give him an offer of good money with a buy out clause for next summer of £50million.
If he stays he stays. If the club's come for him the price isn't going to be £100m+ so he won't get priced out of the move he wants, United get something equivalent to what they were going to get this summer. We keep him for another year, he gets a higher salary, and he doesn't screw over fans by leaving for free again. Win, win, win.
comment by Car Van knee (U5318)
posted 25 minutes ago
There is an easy compromise here.
Give him an offer of good money with a buy out clause for next summer of £50million.
If he stays he stays. If the club's come for him the price isn't going to be £100m+ so he won't get priced out of the move he wants, United get something equivalent to what they were going to get this summer. We keep him for another year, he gets a higher salary, and he doesn't screw over fans by leaving for free again. Win, win, win.
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He'll probably get higher wages at the new place if there's no fee though
Of course players and agents are greedy, they're people.
Clubs need to be canny, ours does anyway, I don't really care about the others.
He has sol Campbelled you guys!
Probably promised your board there was nothing to worry about and he would sign a new deal
Knowing all along he never would as he can command astronomical wages as a free agent with his next club
If Fergie was still United manager he would have been sold this summer or even before
I'm pretty sure we can match the wages on offer anywhere, so if he goes it is for sporting reasons.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Of course players and agents are greedy, they're people.
Clubs need to be canny, ours does anyway, I don't really care about the others.
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I don't even think it's 'greedy' as such. They are like any other people in every other walk of life, they want the best for themselves and their family and will negotiate and push for the best possible deal.
Someone going into a review meeting and putting a case forward as to why they should have a higher salary increase isn't greedy, they want the best possible outcome they can get. Agents help players engineer that and obviously work in a commission based business, so similar to any kind of sales of commission based role, will obviously push for the best. Agents aren't exclusive to football, agents acting on behalf of anyone will always have their client's interest in higher regard than the companies they deal with on their behalf. As much as people moan about agents, they are probably a necessary evil, to help people not get done over by the business they are doing business with. Businesses who employ legal experts to draw up contracts etc, I can totally see why a player would rather have an agent to sort that side out and negotiate for them. If it was Mbappe's agent coming out and saying he dreams of United etc, the majority on this board would love it.
It's all a matter of perspective. Can say they are on a lot of money in comparison but someone unemployed could say the same thing about someone on 70k and pushing for a higher wage - "you earn plenty to live on as it is, don't be so greedy".
We all look after our own interests, including the football club.
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 9 minutes ago
He has sol Campbelled you guys!
Probably promised your board there was nothing to worry about and he would sign a new deal
Knowing all along he never would as he can command astronomical wages as a free agent with his next club
If Fergie was still United manager he would have been sold this summer or even before
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But if the club have no financial imperative to sell, they may have made a decision that it was a chance worth taking. I'm sure everyone was wide awake to the situation, it's not like his contract length's a secret.
The transfer budget at United's always about the same, I'm sure next year's will be budgeted similarly regardless of whether they've got £40m for Pogba or not.
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Of course players and agents are greedy, they're people.
Clubs need to be canny, ours does anyway, I don't really care about the others.
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I don't even think it's 'greedy' as such. They are like any other people in every other walk of life, they want the best for themselves and their family and will negotiate and push for the best possible deal.
Someone going into a review meeting and putting a case forward as to why they should have a higher salary increase isn't greedy, they want the best possible outcome they can get. Agents help players engineer that and obviously work in a commission based business, so similar to any kind of sales of commission based role, will obviously push for the best. Agents aren't exclusive to football, agents acting on behalf of anyone will always have their client's interest in higher regard than the companies they deal with on their behalf. As much as people moan about agents, they are probably a necessary evil, to help people not get done over by the business they are doing business with. Businesses who employ legal experts to draw up contracts etc, I can totally see why a player would rather have an agent to sort that side out and negotiate for them. If it was Mbappe's agent coming out and saying he dreams of United etc, the majority on this board would love it.
It's all a matter of perspective. Can say they are on a lot of money in comparison but someone unemployed could say the same thing about someone on 70k and pushing for a higher wage - "you earn plenty to live on as it is, don't be so greedy".
We all look after our own interests, including the football club.
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Please stop writing sense, some of these people have what I call the Souness Syndrome. These players owe Manchester United nothing- they do a job and are well within their rights to do what's best for them and their family! This idea that every player has to die for this club and put the club first like yesteryear is fantasy thinking. It is a new day and I suggest some people wake up.
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posted on 17/8/21
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 10 minutes ago
my question to robb (and anyone else that cares) is do you think player power has gone to far. Cause I do. Not because we are losing pogba but because it has facilated a level of greed that is unsustainable to any club operating under economic reality.
Barca found this out the hard way as they tried to hold on to messi meeting is wage demands or risk losing him to financially doped club. Is this a good thing in your opinion as a football fan?
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Personally I don't and I'm not keen on fans calling players greedy either. Players have a market value, they don't set that value, either in terms of transfer fee or wages, it's set by what clubs are willing to pay for their services.
Any player is going to try and maximise their earning potential. It's not only the obvious thing to do economically but nobody likes to feel someone of lesser value is being given greater reward.
If the current situation is unsustainable then the responsibility is with the owners of clubs to ensure they're properly managed. To not offer more in wages than the club can handle. To have a reasonable wage structure and not to employee the 'at any cost' attitude.
I think players have many responsibilities in the game (and outside it) but the financial health of their club isn't one of them.
As a slight aside, I really can see more and more players running done their contracts. As someone like Pogba, why restrict your playing options to the clubs who have bids accepted. Keep your options open and you can go wherever you like. One of the best examples of this is Michael Owen I think - he ended up in Newcastle because that was the only bid RM accepted. If I were a player I wouldn't want to be restricted like that.
posted on 17/8/21
Garner
I've no doubt players move to the PL for the money, I've never said otherwise. I'm saying a lot (not all) players do move here because of the quality, rather than wanting to win a throphy or play in the CL. If that were the case then you'd have more players wanting to move to clubs like Ajax, Leipzig, Seville, Monaco, Atalanta, Benfica than teams below the big 4 in the PL, which they in the main don't.
posted on 17/8/21
If I was a player and had accumulated enough wealth my main priority would be weather and lifestyle. I remember when Samir Nasri went to Sevilla after being in Manchester for a bit and he was like a pig in shiiiit after seeing all the stunning Spanish women and loved the constant sun.
posted on 17/8/21
Club has a decision to make. We either thrown a £30m a year contract at Pogba or we go all out agreeing a summer transfer for Haaland.
posted on 17/8/21
Depends what stage in your career I guess. If I was competitive (which I'm guessing I would be if I made it to that level) then I think I'd wanna play at the highest level I can. But like you say once you're secure your priorities will change. If I had stupid amounts of money I'd probably still prefer to live in London over a hotter climate though and then just enjoy my summer away.
posted on 17/8/21
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 10 minutes ago
my question to robb (and anyone else that cares) is do you think player power has gone to far. Cause I do. Not because we are losing pogba but because it has facilated a level of greed that is unsustainable to any club operating under economic reality.
Barca found this out the hard way as they tried to hold on to messi meeting is wage demands or risk losing him to financially doped club. Is this a good thing in your opinion as a football fan?
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Personally I don't and I'm not keen on fans calling players greedy either. Players have a market value, they don't set that value, either in terms of transfer fee or wages, it's set by what clubs are willing to pay for their services.
Any player is going to try and maximise their earning potential. It's not only the obvious thing to do economically but nobody likes to feel someone of lesser value is being given greater reward.
If the current situation is unsustainable then the responsibility is with the owners of clubs to ensure they're properly managed. To not offer more in wages than the club can handle. To have a reasonable wage structure and not to employee the 'at any cost' attitude.
I think players have many responsibilities in the game (and outside it) but the financial health of their club isn't one of them.
As a slight aside, I really can see more and more players running done their contracts. As someone like Pogba, why restrict your playing options to the clubs who have bids accepted. Keep your options open and you can go wherever you like. One of the best examples of this is Michael Owen I think - he ended up in Newcastle because that was the only bid RM accepted. If I were a player I wouldn't want to be restricted like that.
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You pointed out that the financial health of the club is not a players responsibility. I agree it is the responsibility of the clubs and the policy makers. The current policies are such that it encourages greed from all parties.
Fans expect their club to be financially responsible and successful, sadly these 2 do not go hand in hand in the current football landscape. The EPL is somewhat sheltered atm but for how long?
posted on 17/8/21
Its would be nice to get a fee, but not the end of the world if he contributes to a successful season before going on a free.
posted on 17/8/21
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 10 minutes ago
my question to robb (and anyone else that cares) is do you think player power has gone to far. Cause I do. Not because we are losing pogba but because it has facilated a level of greed that is unsustainable to any club operating under economic reality.
Barca found this out the hard way as they tried to hold on to messi meeting is wage demands or risk losing him to financially doped club. Is this a good thing in your opinion as a football fan?
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Personally I don't and I'm not keen on fans calling players greedy either. Players have a market value, they don't set that value, either in terms of transfer fee or wages, it's set by what clubs are willing to pay for their services.
Any player is going to try and maximise their earning potential. It's not only the obvious thing to do economically but nobody likes to feel someone of lesser value is being given greater reward.
If the current situation is unsustainable then the responsibility is with the owners of clubs to ensure they're properly managed. To not offer more in wages than the club can handle. To have a reasonable wage structure and not to employee the 'at any cost' attitude.
I think players have many responsibilities in the game (and outside it) but the financial health of their club isn't one of them.
As a slight aside, I really can see more and more players running done their contracts. As someone like Pogba, why restrict your playing options to the clubs who have bids accepted. Keep your options open and you can go wherever you like. One of the best examples of this is Michael Owen I think - he ended up in Newcastle because that was the only bid RM accepted. If I were a player I wouldn't want to be restricted like that.
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You pointed out that the financial health of the club is not a players responsibility. I agree it is the responsibility of the clubs and the policy makers. The current policies are such that it encourages greed from all parties.
Fans expect their club to be financially responsible and successful, sadly these 2 do not go hand in hand in the current football landscape. The EPL is somewhat sheltered atm but for how long?
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How is greed encouraged from all parties? Do you mean the rewards for success on the pitch are such that owners are prepared to take risks? I agree with that, history is littered with examples of owners that have gambled on success. Changes like fit and proper owners tests and FFP (whatever you may think of the success/failure) have at least tried to minimise that risk. But ultimately if an owner wants to act recklessly then they're able to. I don't see how any of that makes players culpable or even greedy.
I completely agree with the fan expectation pressuring sensible ownership. Fans of all big clubs are guilty of this - craving success, wanting the club to spend big. In one sense I get it, we're just fans and we want to see our teams play well and win. But there's the uglier side of it whereby fans demand success and protest against owners who might actually be doing the right thing for the longer term prospect of the club.
posted on 17/8/21
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 18 minutes ago
Its would be nice to get a fee, but not the end of the world if he contributes to a successful season before going on a free.
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I'm pretty much there too. I'd probably prefer us to sell now, if keeping him is likely to be to the detriment of what we can afford in terms of replacing him next year. But if he has a great season and contributes positively, then at least there has been some benefit to him staying on and leaving on a free
posted on 17/8/21
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 18 minutes ago
Its would be nice to get a fee, but not the end of the world if he contributes to a successful season before going on a free.
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I'm pretty much there too. I'd probably prefer us to sell now, if keeping him is likely to be to the detriment of what we can afford in terms of replacing him next year. But if he has a great season and contributes positively, then at least there has been some benefit to him staying on and leaving on a free
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When you talk about Pogba the bluebird of optimism is often quickly replaced by the chicken of despair.
I'm hoping he spends this season trying to impress his suitors.
posted on 17/8/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Our Number 7 is the King of Uruguay (U1270)
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When you talk about Pogba the bluebird of optimism is often quickly replaced by the chicken of despair.
I'm hoping he spends this season trying to impress his suitors.
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good to see one of the narratives for this season set then, that if he has a good season it will only be because he's playing for a move.
posted on 17/8/21
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Our Number 7 is the King of Uruguay (U1270)
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When you talk about Pogba the bluebird of optimism is often quickly replaced by the chicken of despair.
I'm hoping he spends this season trying to impress his suitors.
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good to see one of the narratives for this season set then, that if he has a good season it will only be because he's playing for a move.
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Ha ha, that's not a narrative, Don, it's just something that's been observed many times with other players (Viduka was the classic).
You know I don't come on here to slate the team.
posted on 17/8/21
He can fk right off imo. If he doesn’t sign a contract and goes for free next summer he really can fk right off.
I like the guy but if he doesn’t see what is happening here at OT and give us two more years say, then leave to his dream club or W/E, then guess what? He can fk right off
😂
posted on 17/8/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Our Number 7 is the King of Uruguay (U1270)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 18 minutes ago
Its would be nice to get a fee, but not the end of the world if he contributes to a successful season before going on a free.
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I'm pretty much there too. I'd probably prefer us to sell now, if keeping him is likely to be to the detriment of what we can afford in terms of replacing him next year. But if he has a great season and contributes positively, then at least there has been some benefit to him staying on and leaving on a free
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When you talk about Pogba the bluebird of optimism is often quickly replaced by the chicken of despair.
I'm hoping he spends this season trying to impress his suitors.
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I am probably pogba's biggest fan on here but we clearly let him and his agent play us. Anyone who thinks pogba and his agent did not engineer this current situation is beyond naive.
He teased utd with the hope of signing a new contract for 2 years. I understand why he did what he did as he was looking out for himself but utd should have been more savvy.
posted on 17/8/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
I like the guy but if he doesn’t see what is happening here at OT
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what is happening here at OT? since we last won the league 4 other clubs have won it, and since we last got to a CL final 4 english clubs have made the final, with two of them winning it.
we'll see how this season goes, but pretending that leaving united for psg/madrid etc would be a step down is just silly.
posted on 17/8/21
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
I like the guy but if he doesn’t see what is happening here at OT
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what is happening here at OT? since we last won the league 4 other clubs have won it, and since we last got to a CL final 4 english clubs have made the final, with two of them winning it.
we'll see how this season goes, but pretending that leaving united for psg/madrid etc would be a step down is just silly.
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this is probably why I cannot be mad at pogba
He is one of my favourite players since he was teenager but it is clear to everyone that pogba will always put pogba's interest over utd.
I look back to yester years where we had some ofthe best players lining up for utd and they could have very easily engineered a situation to earn a move and more money but the thought it appeared never even crossed their minds. Maybe they were too busy focusing on winning stuff. Would pogba's attitude be different in a successful utd team? I think so
posted on 17/8/21
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
I like the guy but if he doesn’t see what is happening here at OT
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what is happening here at OT? since we last won the league 4 other clubs have won it, and since we last got to a CL final 4 english clubs have made the final, with two of them winning it.
we'll see how this season goes, but pretending that leaving united for psg/madrid etc would be a step down is just silly.
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Don’t worry Don, one day Chelsea will buy Pogba for £100 million and then he’ll go on to prove you right for the faith in him. It’s the JaWay 😅
posted on 17/8/21
There is an easy compromise here.
Give him an offer of good money with a buy out clause for next summer of £50million.
If he stays he stays. If the club's come for him the price isn't going to be £100m+ so he won't get priced out of the move he wants, United get something equivalent to what they were going to get this summer. We keep him for another year, he gets a higher salary, and he doesn't screw over fans by leaving for free again. Win, win, win.
posted on 17/8/21
comment by Car Van knee (U5318)
posted 25 minutes ago
There is an easy compromise here.
Give him an offer of good money with a buy out clause for next summer of £50million.
If he stays he stays. If the club's come for him the price isn't going to be £100m+ so he won't get priced out of the move he wants, United get something equivalent to what they were going to get this summer. We keep him for another year, he gets a higher salary, and he doesn't screw over fans by leaving for free again. Win, win, win.
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He'll probably get higher wages at the new place if there's no fee though
posted on 17/8/21
Of course players and agents are greedy, they're people.
Clubs need to be canny, ours does anyway, I don't really care about the others.
posted on 17/8/21
He has sol Campbelled you guys!
Probably promised your board there was nothing to worry about and he would sign a new deal
Knowing all along he never would as he can command astronomical wages as a free agent with his next club
If Fergie was still United manager he would have been sold this summer or even before
posted on 17/8/21
I'm pretty sure we can match the wages on offer anywhere, so if he goes it is for sporting reasons.
posted on 17/8/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Of course players and agents are greedy, they're people.
Clubs need to be canny, ours does anyway, I don't really care about the others.
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I don't even think it's 'greedy' as such. They are like any other people in every other walk of life, they want the best for themselves and their family and will negotiate and push for the best possible deal.
Someone going into a review meeting and putting a case forward as to why they should have a higher salary increase isn't greedy, they want the best possible outcome they can get. Agents help players engineer that and obviously work in a commission based business, so similar to any kind of sales of commission based role, will obviously push for the best. Agents aren't exclusive to football, agents acting on behalf of anyone will always have their client's interest in higher regard than the companies they deal with on their behalf. As much as people moan about agents, they are probably a necessary evil, to help people not get done over by the business they are doing business with. Businesses who employ legal experts to draw up contracts etc, I can totally see why a player would rather have an agent to sort that side out and negotiate for them. If it was Mbappe's agent coming out and saying he dreams of United etc, the majority on this board would love it.
It's all a matter of perspective. Can say they are on a lot of money in comparison but someone unemployed could say the same thing about someone on 70k and pushing for a higher wage - "you earn plenty to live on as it is, don't be so greedy".
We all look after our own interests, including the football club.
posted on 17/8/21
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 9 minutes ago
He has sol Campbelled you guys!
Probably promised your board there was nothing to worry about and he would sign a new deal
Knowing all along he never would as he can command astronomical wages as a free agent with his next club
If Fergie was still United manager he would have been sold this summer or even before
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But if the club have no financial imperative to sell, they may have made a decision that it was a chance worth taking. I'm sure everyone was wide awake to the situation, it's not like his contract length's a secret.
The transfer budget at United's always about the same, I'm sure next year's will be budgeted similarly regardless of whether they've got £40m for Pogba or not.
posted on 17/8/21
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Of course players and agents are greedy, they're people.
Clubs need to be canny, ours does anyway, I don't really care about the others.
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I don't even think it's 'greedy' as such. They are like any other people in every other walk of life, they want the best for themselves and their family and will negotiate and push for the best possible deal.
Someone going into a review meeting and putting a case forward as to why they should have a higher salary increase isn't greedy, they want the best possible outcome they can get. Agents help players engineer that and obviously work in a commission based business, so similar to any kind of sales of commission based role, will obviously push for the best. Agents aren't exclusive to football, agents acting on behalf of anyone will always have their client's interest in higher regard than the companies they deal with on their behalf. As much as people moan about agents, they are probably a necessary evil, to help people not get done over by the business they are doing business with. Businesses who employ legal experts to draw up contracts etc, I can totally see why a player would rather have an agent to sort that side out and negotiate for them. If it was Mbappe's agent coming out and saying he dreams of United etc, the majority on this board would love it.
It's all a matter of perspective. Can say they are on a lot of money in comparison but someone unemployed could say the same thing about someone on 70k and pushing for a higher wage - "you earn plenty to live on as it is, don't be so greedy".
We all look after our own interests, including the football club.
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Please stop writing sense, some of these people have what I call the Souness Syndrome. These players owe Manchester United nothing- they do a job and are well within their rights to do what's best for them and their family! This idea that every player has to die for this club and put the club first like yesteryear is fantasy thinking. It is a new day and I suggest some people wake up.
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