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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 58 minutes ago
He has been treated awfully by most accounts
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Player not good enough to make first team so is being treated badly shocker.
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Let him leave then. But why was that blocked? Part of treating him badly?
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Exactly
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It isn’t ‘exactly’ unless you think the manager is doing it for a laugh.
There will be a valid reason for it.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 58 minutes ago
He has been treated awfully by most accounts
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Player not good enough to make first team so is being treated badly shocker.
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Let him leave then. But why was that blocked? Part of treating him badly?
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Exactly
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It isn’t ‘exactly’ unless you think the manager is doing it for a laugh.
There will be a valid reason for it.
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I don’t think there is a valid reason for humiliating someone. Players are human beings, they are motivated by a desire for recognition. You start DVB in a league game at Old Trafford, if you want him to feel appreciated, not in an insignificant game or in the last ten minutes of an away game. Your players are like your children, they don’t give you what you want, they give you what you expect of them. If you expect the best, they give it to you; if you expect the worst they give it to you.
Like Pogba, DVB would make more sense as a squad option in a 4-3-3 than in a 4-2-3-1. He's not as productive as Bruno as a 10 and very different in style, and it's hard to see him as a vastly better option than McFred or Pogba in a double pivot. It would have made more sense to buy a DM than VDB last summer. But a good DM with legs would also make the existing midfield options (including Donny) look a lot more coherent.
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 50 minutes ago
I think he has a point but I prefer he doesn't make it publicly.
Our recruitment has been relatively coherent since Solskjaer took over but the VDB situation is an exception. We've brought in a player who we don't seem to have much use for: not to improve the part of midfield that lacked quality, but I guess as an insurance policy in case Pogba left and/or cover for Fernandes. But Pogba hasn't left and we don't trust him enough to rest Bruno. We've also failed to manage the Lingard situation so we're overstocked in attacking midfield. It's poor management of resources, and so far it's a very disheartening situation for Donny.
That said, I'm not sure what outcome agents are looking to achieve when they criticise their clubs. Donny wasn't sold this summer, and he's obviously going nowhere for the next few months. Is this going to endear him to the management, is it going to result in more opportunities? I doubt it. If it has an effect on relationships at the club and on morale in the dressing room, it can only be a negative one. Better for all parties to deliver these messages behind closed doors.
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Personally I think the agent knows DVB isn't going to play much so what he's trying to achieve here is:
1) Getting DVB more game time by claiming there's promise of chances - putting him in the shop window
2) Highlighting there is interest in him from a decent club (Everton) in the hope of getting more interest going.
3) Ultimately, a January exit
It would take an extreme optimist right now to think his future is with Utd so personally I think this is all an exit strategy hoping to drum up interest in him.
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That makes sense. The only thing I'd question is whether this kind of public criticism makes it more likely or less likely that Donny gets to play. Solskjaer hasn't punished Pogba for Raiola's public statements, but (for better or worse) Pogba is a prized asset the club can't afford to alienate. I don't think any manager - let alone a protégé of Fergie - would want to put himself in the position of being seen to indulge/reward a reserve player for publicly moaning about mistreatment by giving him more playing time.
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 58 minutes ago
He has been treated awfully by most accounts
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Player not good enough to make first team so is being treated badly shocker.
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Let him leave then. But why was that blocked? Part of treating him badly?
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Exactly
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It isn’t ‘exactly’ unless you think the manager is doing it for a laugh.
There will be a valid reason for it.
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I don’t think there is a valid reason for humiliating someone. Players are human beings, they are motivated by a desire for recognition. You start DVB in a league game at Old Trafford, if you want him to feel appreciated, not in an insignificant game or in the last ten minutes of an away game. Your players are like your children, they don’t give you what you want, they give you what you expect of them. If you expect the best, they give it to you; if you expect the worst they give it to you.
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The only people calling it a humiliation are the Ole out tardigrades the float around this forum.
Anyone who's watched football for a while understands that he is a squad player who just hasn't taken his chances.
If, and it's a big if, Ole promised him game time regardless of form or fitness, as some would have you believe.... then Ole should be sacked.
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
the thought that the manager has handled DVDB badly just for the laughs and without any reasons whatsoever other than to really pi55 him and his agent off
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Who has said or thinks that?
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those who think he should be playing most weeks and cant see a good reason as to why he doesn't? And those who think that ole blocked a move to Everton for no reason at all?
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No one thinks that, people are just asking why.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 58 minutes ago
He has been treated awfully by most accounts
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Player not good enough to make first team so is being treated badly shocker.
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Let him leave then. But why was that blocked? Part of treating him badly?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly
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It isn’t ‘exactly’ unless you think the manager is doing it for a laugh.
There will be a valid reason for it.
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I don’t think there is a valid reason for humiliating someone. Players are human beings, they are motivated by a desire for recognition. You start DVB in a league game at Old Trafford, if you want him to feel appreciated, not in an insignificant game or in the last ten minutes of an away game. Your players are like your children, they don’t give you what you want, they give you what you expect of them. If you expect the best, they give it to you; if you expect the worst they give it to you.
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The only people calling it a humiliation are the Ole out tardigrades the float around this forum.
Anyone who's watched football for a while understands that he is a squad player who just hasn't taken his chances.
If, and it's a big if, Ole promised him game time regardless of form or fitness, as some would have you believe.... then Ole should be sacked.
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Do you think DVB has been given a real chance ? A chance like the one given to a less talented player like Pereira, for example ?
Solskjaer should start using Donny more in Pogba's position as the French MF is leaving next season for free.
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
the thought that the manager has handled DVDB badly just for the laughs and without any reasons whatsoever other than to really pi55 him and his agent off
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Who has said or thinks that?
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those who think he should be playing most weeks and cant see a good reason as to why he doesn't? And those who think that ole blocked a move to Everton for no reason at all?
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No one thinks that, people are just asking why.
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they think that because Ole has announced to them of his reasoning.... there clearly isn't any. Which of course, is nonesense.
Time for Donny's agent to pipe down?
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Articles with headlines like this make me
An agent can say what the feck he wants, who cares, their loyalties are towards the players, not the clubs we support.
I don’t think there is a valid reason for humiliating someone.
……
I see. You are one of these special people.
Many of us criticize Ole for not including DVdB but, many of us also struggle to see how he fits into this Utd team?
He is a versatile player who came in to OT as an ideal sub for Bruno until Pogba is sold.
If we are looking for a Def MF or Deep-Lying Playmaker - then where would he fit then?
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 58 minutes ago
He has been treated awfully by most accounts
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Player not good enough to make first team so is being treated badly shocker.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Let him leave then. But why was that blocked? Part of treating him badly?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It isn’t ‘exactly’ unless you think the manager is doing it for a laugh.
There will be a valid reason for it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t think there is a valid reason for humiliating someone. Players are human beings, they are motivated by a desire for recognition. You start DVB in a league game at Old Trafford, if you want him to feel appreciated, not in an insignificant game or in the last ten minutes of an away game. Your players are like your children, they don’t give you what you want, they give you what you expect of them. If you expect the best, they give it to you; if you expect the worst they give it to you.
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The only people calling it a humiliation are the Ole out tardigrades the float around this forum.
Anyone who's watched football for a while understands that he is a squad player who just hasn't taken his chances.
If, and it's a big if, Ole promised him game time regardless of form or fitness, as some would have you believe.... then Ole should be sacked.
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Do you think DVB has been given a real chance ? A chance like the one given to a less talented player like Pereira, for example ?
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He hasn’t been at the club as long as Pereira to be given that amount of chances.
Idiot reasoning there mate.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don’t think there is a valid reason for humiliating someone.
……
I see. You are one of these special people.
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No, I’m just expressing my opinion, mate. If you don’t agree, it’s fine. The purpose of discussion is not victory, it’s progress, it’s reaching a better understanding of the subject under discussion. That’s all.
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 32 minutes ago
Do you think DVB has been given a real chance ? A chance like the one given to a less talented player like Pereira, for example ?
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Did Pereira get that much of a chance? Is it clear DVB is more talented?
I'm not so sure, based on the evidence in a UTD shirt. Periera has had better games than Donny yet is very unlikely to get more game time than him, this season.
I think the biggest issue is that people see him as clearly better than other squad players, yet can't really give a reason why they think this.
No, I’m just expressing my opinion,
…..
Something is not right with you if your mind reasons that Ole is humiliating Beekers.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
No, I’m just expressing my opinion,
…..
Something is not right with you if your mind reasons that Ole is humiliating Beekers.
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I think the problem is your understanding of humiliation. You seem to think that humiliating someone is something you do deliberately. Wrong. You may humiliate someone while thinking that you are helping him, or just inadvertently.
Do you think DVB has been given a real chance ? A chance like the one given to a less talented player like Pereira, for example ?
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Well that isn't the same thing is it? For a start Bruno wasn't at the club when Pereira had his run in the first team.
And I dont understand this need to give someone a chance for the hell of it. He has shown nothing so far to suggest we should even think about giving him Bruno or Pogba's spot in the team. I know his chances have been extremely limited, but such is the nature of the competition at this club that you have to be able to take the ones you get, especially when your 2 main competitors for spots are arguably the 2 best players at the club. You could just as easily ask why Alex Telles hasn't been a proper chance and the answer is quite simple - Luke Shaw is a much better player and throwing Telles in for the hell of it doesn't really make any sense.
I do get why we bought him - I am still quite concerned about our reliance on Bruno (although that might be somewhat eased by the fire power we now have). But it hasn't worked out and I dont see how it's going to. I'm sure Ole in his own mind does have his own reasons for keeping him around, I just can't for the life of me work out what they are.
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
No, I’m just expressing my opinion,
…..
Something is not right with you if your mind reasons that Ole is humiliating Beekers.
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I think the problem is your understanding of humiliation. You seem to think that humiliating someone is something you do deliberately. Wrong. You may humiliate someone while thinking that you are helping him, or just inadvertently.
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What a melt.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 58 minutes ago
He has been treated awfully by most accounts
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Player not good enough to make first team so is being treated badly shocker.
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Fan judges player after only 4 league starts shocker
Guys played 90 minutes in the league once and some fans are able to judge if he’s talented enough to play for them mental
We should have sold him and signed a cm.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 6 minutes ago
Guys played 90 minutes in the league once and some fans are able to judge if he’s talented enough to play for themmental
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Why do you think he has only played 90 minutes in the league once?
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
No, I’m just expressing my opinion,
…..
Something is not right with you if your mind reasons that Ole is humiliating Beekers.
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I think the problem is your understanding of humiliation. You seem to think that humiliating someone is something you do deliberately. Wrong. You may humiliate someone while thinking that you are helping him, or just inadvertently.
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you mean like Jose with Luke Shaw
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comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 58 minutes ago
He has been treated awfully by most accounts
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Player not good enough to make first team so is being treated badly shocker.
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Let him leave then. But why was that blocked? Part of treating him badly?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly
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It isn’t ‘exactly’ unless you think the manager is doing it for a laugh.
There will be a valid reason for it.
posted on 6/9/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 58 minutes ago
He has been treated awfully by most accounts
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Player not good enough to make first team so is being treated badly shocker.
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Let him leave then. But why was that blocked? Part of treating him badly?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It isn’t ‘exactly’ unless you think the manager is doing it for a laugh.
There will be a valid reason for it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t think there is a valid reason for humiliating someone. Players are human beings, they are motivated by a desire for recognition. You start DVB in a league game at Old Trafford, if you want him to feel appreciated, not in an insignificant game or in the last ten minutes of an away game. Your players are like your children, they don’t give you what you want, they give you what you expect of them. If you expect the best, they give it to you; if you expect the worst they give it to you.
posted on 6/9/21
Like Pogba, DVB would make more sense as a squad option in a 4-3-3 than in a 4-2-3-1. He's not as productive as Bruno as a 10 and very different in style, and it's hard to see him as a vastly better option than McFred or Pogba in a double pivot. It would have made more sense to buy a DM than VDB last summer. But a good DM with legs would also make the existing midfield options (including Donny) look a lot more coherent.
posted on 6/9/21
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 50 minutes ago
I think he has a point but I prefer he doesn't make it publicly.
Our recruitment has been relatively coherent since Solskjaer took over but the VDB situation is an exception. We've brought in a player who we don't seem to have much use for: not to improve the part of midfield that lacked quality, but I guess as an insurance policy in case Pogba left and/or cover for Fernandes. But Pogba hasn't left and we don't trust him enough to rest Bruno. We've also failed to manage the Lingard situation so we're overstocked in attacking midfield. It's poor management of resources, and so far it's a very disheartening situation for Donny.
That said, I'm not sure what outcome agents are looking to achieve when they criticise their clubs. Donny wasn't sold this summer, and he's obviously going nowhere for the next few months. Is this going to endear him to the management, is it going to result in more opportunities? I doubt it. If it has an effect on relationships at the club and on morale in the dressing room, it can only be a negative one. Better for all parties to deliver these messages behind closed doors.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Personally I think the agent knows DVB isn't going to play much so what he's trying to achieve here is:
1) Getting DVB more game time by claiming there's promise of chances - putting him in the shop window
2) Highlighting there is interest in him from a decent club (Everton) in the hope of getting more interest going.
3) Ultimately, a January exit
It would take an extreme optimist right now to think his future is with Utd so personally I think this is all an exit strategy hoping to drum up interest in him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That makes sense. The only thing I'd question is whether this kind of public criticism makes it more likely or less likely that Donny gets to play. Solskjaer hasn't punished Pogba for Raiola's public statements, but (for better or worse) Pogba is a prized asset the club can't afford to alienate. I don't think any manager - let alone a protégé of Fergie - would want to put himself in the position of being seen to indulge/reward a reserve player for publicly moaning about mistreatment by giving him more playing time.
posted on 6/9/21
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 58 minutes ago
He has been treated awfully by most accounts
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Player not good enough to make first team so is being treated badly shocker.
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Let him leave then. But why was that blocked? Part of treating him badly?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It isn’t ‘exactly’ unless you think the manager is doing it for a laugh.
There will be a valid reason for it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t think there is a valid reason for humiliating someone. Players are human beings, they are motivated by a desire for recognition. You start DVB in a league game at Old Trafford, if you want him to feel appreciated, not in an insignificant game or in the last ten minutes of an away game. Your players are like your children, they don’t give you what you want, they give you what you expect of them. If you expect the best, they give it to you; if you expect the worst they give it to you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The only people calling it a humiliation are the Ole out tardigrades the float around this forum.
Anyone who's watched football for a while understands that he is a squad player who just hasn't taken his chances.
If, and it's a big if, Ole promised him game time regardless of form or fitness, as some would have you believe.... then Ole should be sacked.
posted on 6/9/21
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
the thought that the manager has handled DVDB badly just for the laughs and without any reasons whatsoever other than to really pi55 him and his agent off
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Who has said or thinks that?
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those who think he should be playing most weeks and cant see a good reason as to why he doesn't? And those who think that ole blocked a move to Everton for no reason at all?
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No one thinks that, people are just asking why.
posted on 6/9/21
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 58 minutes ago
He has been treated awfully by most accounts
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Player not good enough to make first team so is being treated badly shocker.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Let him leave then. But why was that blocked? Part of treating him badly?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It isn’t ‘exactly’ unless you think the manager is doing it for a laugh.
There will be a valid reason for it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t think there is a valid reason for humiliating someone. Players are human beings, they are motivated by a desire for recognition. You start DVB in a league game at Old Trafford, if you want him to feel appreciated, not in an insignificant game or in the last ten minutes of an away game. Your players are like your children, they don’t give you what you want, they give you what you expect of them. If you expect the best, they give it to you; if you expect the worst they give it to you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The only people calling it a humiliation are the Ole out tardigrades the float around this forum.
Anyone who's watched football for a while understands that he is a squad player who just hasn't taken his chances.
If, and it's a big if, Ole promised him game time regardless of form or fitness, as some would have you believe.... then Ole should be sacked.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you think DVB has been given a real chance ? A chance like the one given to a less talented player like Pereira, for example ?
posted on 6/9/21
Solskjaer should start using Donny more in Pogba's position as the French MF is leaving next season for free.
posted on 6/9/21
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
the thought that the manager has handled DVDB badly just for the laughs and without any reasons whatsoever other than to really pi55 him and his agent off
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Who has said or thinks that?
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those who think he should be playing most weeks and cant see a good reason as to why he doesn't? And those who think that ole blocked a move to Everton for no reason at all?
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No one thinks that, people are just asking why.
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they think that because Ole has announced to them of his reasoning.... there clearly isn't any. Which of course, is nonesense.
posted on 6/9/21
*has not announced
posted on 6/9/21
Time for Donny's agent to pipe down?
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Articles with headlines like this make me
An agent can say what the feck he wants, who cares, their loyalties are towards the players, not the clubs we support.
posted on 6/9/21
I don’t think there is a valid reason for humiliating someone.
……
I see. You are one of these special people.
posted on 6/9/21
Many of us criticize Ole for not including DVdB but, many of us also struggle to see how he fits into this Utd team?
He is a versatile player who came in to OT as an ideal sub for Bruno until Pogba is sold.
If we are looking for a Def MF or Deep-Lying Playmaker - then where would he fit then?
posted on 6/9/21
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by One Love - Admin 3 (U1250)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 58 minutes ago
He has been treated awfully by most accounts
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Player not good enough to make first team so is being treated badly shocker.
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Let him leave then. But why was that blocked? Part of treating him badly?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It isn’t ‘exactly’ unless you think the manager is doing it for a laugh.
There will be a valid reason for it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t think there is a valid reason for humiliating someone. Players are human beings, they are motivated by a desire for recognition. You start DVB in a league game at Old Trafford, if you want him to feel appreciated, not in an insignificant game or in the last ten minutes of an away game. Your players are like your children, they don’t give you what you want, they give you what you expect of them. If you expect the best, they give it to you; if you expect the worst they give it to you.
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The only people calling it a humiliation are the Ole out tardigrades the float around this forum.
Anyone who's watched football for a while understands that he is a squad player who just hasn't taken his chances.
If, and it's a big if, Ole promised him game time regardless of form or fitness, as some would have you believe.... then Ole should be sacked.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you think DVB has been given a real chance ? A chance like the one given to a less talented player like Pereira, for example ?
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He hasn’t been at the club as long as Pereira to be given that amount of chances.
Idiot reasoning there mate.
posted on 6/9/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don’t think there is a valid reason for humiliating someone.
……
I see. You are one of these special people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, I’m just expressing my opinion, mate. If you don’t agree, it’s fine. The purpose of discussion is not victory, it’s progress, it’s reaching a better understanding of the subject under discussion. That’s all.
posted on 6/9/21
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 32 minutes ago
Do you think DVB has been given a real chance ? A chance like the one given to a less talented player like Pereira, for example ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did Pereira get that much of a chance? Is it clear DVB is more talented?
I'm not so sure, based on the evidence in a UTD shirt. Periera has had better games than Donny yet is very unlikely to get more game time than him, this season.
I think the biggest issue is that people see him as clearly better than other squad players, yet can't really give a reason why they think this.
posted on 6/9/21
No, I’m just expressing my opinion,
…..
Something is not right with you if your mind reasons that Ole is humiliating Beekers.
posted on 6/9/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
No, I’m just expressing my opinion,
…..
Something is not right with you if your mind reasons that Ole is humiliating Beekers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the problem is your understanding of humiliation. You seem to think that humiliating someone is something you do deliberately. Wrong. You may humiliate someone while thinking that you are helping him, or just inadvertently.
posted on 6/9/21
Do you think DVB has been given a real chance ? A chance like the one given to a less talented player like Pereira, for example ?
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Well that isn't the same thing is it? For a start Bruno wasn't at the club when Pereira had his run in the first team.
And I dont understand this need to give someone a chance for the hell of it. He has shown nothing so far to suggest we should even think about giving him Bruno or Pogba's spot in the team. I know his chances have been extremely limited, but such is the nature of the competition at this club that you have to be able to take the ones you get, especially when your 2 main competitors for spots are arguably the 2 best players at the club. You could just as easily ask why Alex Telles hasn't been a proper chance and the answer is quite simple - Luke Shaw is a much better player and throwing Telles in for the hell of it doesn't really make any sense.
I do get why we bought him - I am still quite concerned about our reliance on Bruno (although that might be somewhat eased by the fire power we now have). But it hasn't worked out and I dont see how it's going to. I'm sure Ole in his own mind does have his own reasons for keeping him around, I just can't for the life of me work out what they are.
posted on 6/9/21
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
No, I’m just expressing my opinion,
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Something is not right with you if your mind reasons that Ole is humiliating Beekers.
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I think the problem is your understanding of humiliation. You seem to think that humiliating someone is something you do deliberately. Wrong. You may humiliate someone while thinking that you are helping him, or just inadvertently.
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What a melt.
posted on 6/9/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 58 minutes ago
He has been treated awfully by most accounts
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Player not good enough to make first team so is being treated badly shocker.
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Fan judges player after only 4 league starts shocker
posted on 6/9/21
Guys played 90 minutes in the league once and some fans are able to judge if he’s talented enough to play for them mental
posted on 6/9/21
We should have sold him and signed a cm.
posted on 6/9/21
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 6 minutes ago
Guys played 90 minutes in the league once and some fans are able to judge if he’s talented enough to play for themmental
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Why do you think he has only played 90 minutes in the league once?
posted on 6/9/21
comment by Berbatov's hat trick (U22570)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
No, I’m just expressing my opinion,
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Something is not right with you if your mind reasons that Ole is humiliating Beekers.
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I think the problem is your understanding of humiliation. You seem to think that humiliating someone is something you do deliberately. Wrong. You may humiliate someone while thinking that you are helping him, or just inadvertently.
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you mean like Jose with Luke Shaw
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