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Again, subjective opinion but I feel that being runners up in the Premier League and Champions League is a lot harder than winning the Carling Cup, even though one gets you a trophy and the others don’t
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True but one is still an achievement and a trophy. Will go down in history with the club. Nobody remembers us being runners up in a CL and the league in 20 years apart from Spurs fans
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comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 19 seconds ago
Again, subjective opinion but I feel that being runners up in the Premier League and Champions League is a lot harder than winning the Carling Cup, even though one gets you a trophy and the others don’t
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True but one is still an achievement and a trophy. Will go down in history with the club. Nobody remembers us being runners up in a CL and the league in 20 years apart from Spurs fans
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Don, finishing runners up in any competition means SFA. Winning a trophy is all that counts.
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I kind of agree with Ace regarding what constitutes achievement. The CL final and a PL runner up is by far the more impressive feat over a solitary Carling Cup win. It's a truer measure of drawn out, long term success over a cup run over 5-6 games.
Anyway, that's not really the point. I still don't look at silverware as the barometer for a players' ability nor 'who has been better for the club'. As far as I'm concerned they are two and the same thing. Paul Walsh won an FA Cup on the left wing with us. Does that make him better than Gareth Bale on account of him never having won a trophy with us? Of course not. Is Nayim better than Dele Alli? Paul Stewart better than Son? The player with the most ability IS the player that does the most for the club. Klinsmann isn't as good a player as Kane for me but the point still stands. For the fleeting time he was with us, he was as important as Kane is now.
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I kind of agree with Ace regarding what constitutes achievement. The CL final and a PL runner up is by far the more impressive feat over a solitary Carling Cup win. It's a truer measure of drawn out, long term success over a cup run over 5-6 games.
Anyway, that's not really the point. I still don't look at silverware as the barometer for a players' ability nor 'who has been better for the club'. As far as I'm concerned they are two and the same thing. Paul Walsh won an FA Cup on the left wing with us. Does that make him better than Gareth Bale on account of him never having won a trophy with us? Of course not. Is Nayim better than Dele Alli? Paul Stewart better than Son? The player with the most ability IS the player that does the most for the club. Klinsmann isn't as good a player as Kane for me but the point still stands. For the fleeting time he was with us, he was as important as Kane is now.
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But how is coming runner up in a CL and coming 2nd in the league success ? Success is winning the thing. There’s a reason why Spurs are such underachievers when our supporters celebrate “success” as in coming runner up in a CL final. Was it a great achievement too reach there ? 100%. But it wasn’t success whatsoever. Winning the league cup is success whatever way you look at it and will go down in the history books. Coming runner up won’t. That being said, I’m not measuring Ledley king on that. I was just making a point. Regardless, Ledley is the best defender in the premier league era for Spurs no doubt about it
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Success is relative Don. In 2016 we’d only ever been in the CL once, five years earlier. Prior to that era we’d been largely garbage in the PL era. You cannot tell me that finishing runners up in the league, scoring the most goals, having the best defence (GD of +60) and being unbeaten at home all season (17 wins 2 draws) does not constitute success for Spurs.That was our best league season since we won it. Winning a league cup is nice but if you're finishing 11th in the table as we did that year then that’s a greater barometer of where the club is at and it’s not great - a cup like that is only papering over some pretty big cracks as we found out six months later when we were bottom of the league and Ramos was sacked.
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It was a great achievement Ace but I don’t constitute it as success mate and neither does the history books. Honestly mate, nobody gives a f** about Spurs coming 2nd in the premier league and in 10 years that will be completely forgotten about. The league cup might be papering over the cracks in certain circumstances, but it still goes down in history as a major honour for the club. Win 5 league cups in a row and that’s another 5 major honours too add to the list for the club. I find the whole CL story for us very disappointing. All that hard work and blood, sweat and tears reaching the final and we just completely blew and bottled it.
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Personally I’d much rather we were competing at the top of the league and competing in the CL than winning the league cup. The FA Cup is different, it’s a proper major honour with a bit of stardust, I’d love us to win that. But I’ve seen us win two league cups, they don’t give a club the kind of bragging rights you’re pining for mate and they certainly don’t do anything to change the fortunes of the club; we were a poor team generally who had nothing else to compete for both times, and our managers were sacked shortly afterwards.
The reality is nobody gives a fack about us winning the league cup in 08 either if that’s what you’re worried about, most dismiss the LC as Mickey Mouse these days, the only reason it ever even gets referenced is as a stick to beat us with because it was the last silverware we won.
What doe annoy me about Spurs is that we’ve gone into virtually all our cup semis or finals the last decade as underdogs and we never seem to play above ourselves to win. Against City and Chelsea in the LC and against Liverpool in the CL, it’s like we’d accepted defeat before a ball was kicked, rather than having the balls to go 110% and cause an upset - and yet these were teams we’d shown we could beat in the Prem. Winning the league cup would be nice purely to get the monkey off our back, rather than because it’s a significant honour IMO.
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But people still talk about it mate. When you discuss Spurs trophy history, the 2008 league cup does pop up in conversation and it’s imbedded in our history books as a major honour. Who gives a f** if jealous fans play it down ? It’s a major honour and still a cup competition at the end of the day. Like I say, coming runner up in a CL final does nothing for me Mate. A fantastic bit of excitement in the semi final and then we go and bottle it in true Spursy fashion in the final. One of the most pathetic performances ever. Didn’t even touch a hair on Liverpool’s head in that final and Liverpool were bang average too that game.
Well I think Ace is 100% bang on with this. Each to their own Don but for me that CL journey in particular is filled with so many memories - I wouldn't swap the elation of the VAR decision against City or the comeback against Ajax with any League Cup win. Honestly. Those were fantastic memories. Mark my words, Spurs fans will still be talking about that far more than Woody's header against Chelsea in 20 years time. I mean, who talks about Nielsen's goal from 1999 now? I think it all depends on your outlook. I think Ace is right. Winning a League cup would be a monkey off the back. A way to shed the final day fears. Dining at the top table, however, does not compare. What we had for those few years was a real chance. A real chance of succeeding where the big boys failed. Winning a league cup is more about succeeding where the big boys CHOSE to fail. They chose to play lesser teams with greater priorities. City have nailed it every year as they have the squad to do it on 4 fronts without dropping quality.
Far better to be near the top of a ladder you want to climb rather than top of a ladder no one of stature really wants to climb.
Not to mention the business side of the club. The club is nearly unrecognisable from 10 years ago. Like it or loathe it, that's CL revenue coming into play. We have the stadium we have and we've had (not so much the last couple of years) the players we've had because we've been a consistent CL performer and all the riches it brings. If we want to one day win the biggest trophies, what we started building with Poch was the way to do it. Despite what lazy pundits might tell you, a league cup is not a stepping stone. It can create a mental shift that could help, sure, but it won't see you challenge for the big prizes. Where are Swansea now? Birmingham? You can win it and get relegated the next season. If it wasn't for Harry, we nearly did. That's not progress. It's an anomaly. An exception.
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Well I think Ace is 100% bang on with this. Each to their own Don but for me that CL journey in particular is filled with so many memories - I wouldn't swap the elation of the VAR decision against City or the comeback against Ajax with any League Cup win. Honestly. Those were fantastic memories. Mark my words, Spurs fans will still be talking about that far more than Woody's header against Chelsea in 20 years time. I mean, who talks about Nielsen's goal from 1999 now? I think it all depends on your outlook. I think Ace is right. Winning a League cup would be a monkey off the back. A way to shed the final day fears. Dining at the top table, however, does not compare. What we had for those few years was a real chance. A real chance of succeeding where the big boys failed. Winning a league cup is more about succeeding where the big boys CHOSE to fail. They chose to play lesser teams with greater priorities. City have nailed it every year as they have the squad to do it on 4 fronts without dropping quality.
Far better to be near the top of a ladder you want to climb rather than top of a ladder no one of stature really wants to climb.
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We was at the top of the table but achieved nothing. Chelsea, City, Liverpool , United etc all win stuff. What good is dining at the top of the table if in the end, you don’t actually win anything. We have theoretically just become the old Arsenal, who we have taken the pi** out of for years. They were brilliant moments the City and Ajax CL games. Incredible moments and I loved them, but that’s all they were, moments. In the end they lead to sweet FA, failure.
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Well I think Ace is 100% bang on with this. Each to their own Don but for me that CL journey in particular is filled with so many memories - I wouldn't swap the elation of the VAR decision against City or the comeback against Ajax with any League Cup win. Honestly. Those were fantastic memories. Mark my words, Spurs fans will still be talking about that far more than Woody's header against Chelsea in 20 years time. I mean, who talks about Nielsen's goal from 1999 now? I think it all depends on your outlook. I think Ace is right. Winning a League cup would be a monkey off the back. A way to shed the final day fears. Dining at the top table, however, does not compare. What we had for those few years was a real chance. A real chance of succeeding where the big boys failed. Winning a league cup is more about succeeding where the big boys CHOSE to fail. They chose to play lesser teams with greater priorities. City have nailed it every year as they have the squad to do it on 4 fronts without dropping quality.
Far better to be near the top of a ladder you want to climb rather than top of a ladder no one of stature really wants to climb.
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We was at the top of the table but achieved nothing. Chelsea, City, Liverpool , United etc all win stuff. What good is dining at the top of the table if in the end, you don’t actually win anything. We have theoretically just become the old Arsenal, who we have taken the pi** out of for years. They were brilliant moments the City and Ajax CL games. Incredible moments and I loved them, but that’s all they were, moments. In the end they lead to sweet FA, failure.
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Totally agree Don. Being in finals and top four is nothing. Winning is everything. Maybe because I have seen Spurs win 14 trophies I can say that. But finishing 2nd in any competition just does absolutely nothing for me.
I haven’t read most of the comments but anyone who doesn’t have Ledley at the top of the best defenders to have played for Spurs have no idea about, especially the lost art of defending. Even with his injury’s I would say he was still better than Judas. Judas was a big strong old school defender but Ledley was that and a whole lot more, he was a complete player. Do t forget he play holding midfielder for England, and was class.
If it wasn’t for Rory Delap, I believe King would up along side such greats like Maldini.
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Well I think Ace is 100% bang on with this. Each to their own Don but for me that CL journey in particular is filled with so many memories - I wouldn't swap the elation of the VAR decision against City or the comeback against Ajax with any League Cup win. Honestly. Those were fantastic memories. Mark my words, Spurs fans will still be talking about that far more than Woody's header against Chelsea in 20 years time. I mean, who talks about Nielsen's goal from 1999 now? I think it all depends on your outlook. I think Ace is right. Winning a League cup would be a monkey off the back. A way to shed the final day fears. Dining at the top table, however, does not compare. What we had for those few years was a real chance. A real chance of succeeding where the big boys failed. Winning a league cup is more about succeeding where the big boys CHOSE to fail. They chose to play lesser teams with greater priorities. City have nailed it every year as they have the squad to do it on 4 fronts without dropping quality.
Far better to be near the top of a ladder you want to climb rather than top of a ladder no one of stature really wants to climb.
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We was at the top of the table but achieved nothing. Chelsea, City, Liverpool , United etc all win stuff. What good is dining at the top of the table if in the end, you don’t actually win anything. We have theoretically just become the old Arsenal, who we have taken the pi** out of for years. They were brilliant moments the City and Ajax CL games. Incredible moments and I loved them, but that’s all they were, moments. In the end they lead to sweet FA, failure.
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Totally agree Don. Being in finals and top four is nothing. Winning is everything. Maybe because I have seen Spurs win 14 trophies I can say that. But finishing 2nd in any competition just does absolutely nothing for me.
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Agreed Sandy. In the end, we were all pi*** off that we didn’t end up winning the title. We were sad and depressed we got beat by Liverpool in the CL final. I certainly wasn’t thinking of Lucas Moura’s goal when I was walking out of the CL final screening at white hart lane. I was almost in tears, I was absolutely gutted and still am. I don’t think we will ever get too a champions final again in our lifetimes. That was our one and only chance in which we blew it. Liverpool on the other hand will probably get to other champions league finals in the next 10 years so will always have a chance. Our chance went in a flash. It’s all about winning trophies for me if you want to be a truly big and successful club. Coming 2nd and losing in a CL final is failing at the end of the day.
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comment by Ace (U22467)
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Again, subjective opinion but I feel that being runners up in the Premier League and Champions League is a lot harder than winning the Carling Cup, even though one gets you a trophy and the others don’t
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True but one is still an achievement and a trophy. Will go down in history with the club. Nobody remembers us being runners up in a CL and the league in 20 years apart from Spurs fans
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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 19 seconds ago
Again, subjective opinion but I feel that being runners up in the Premier League and Champions League is a lot harder than winning the Carling Cup, even though one gets you a trophy and the others don’t
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True but one is still an achievement and a trophy. Will go down in history with the club. Nobody remembers us being runners up in a CL and the league in 20 years apart from Spurs fans
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Don, finishing runners up in any competition means SFA. Winning a trophy is all that counts.
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I kind of agree with Ace regarding what constitutes achievement. The CL final and a PL runner up is by far the more impressive feat over a solitary Carling Cup win. It's a truer measure of drawn out, long term success over a cup run over 5-6 games.
Anyway, that's not really the point. I still don't look at silverware as the barometer for a players' ability nor 'who has been better for the club'. As far as I'm concerned they are two and the same thing. Paul Walsh won an FA Cup on the left wing with us. Does that make him better than Gareth Bale on account of him never having won a trophy with us? Of course not. Is Nayim better than Dele Alli? Paul Stewart better than Son? The player with the most ability IS the player that does the most for the club. Klinsmann isn't as good a player as Kane for me but the point still stands. For the fleeting time he was with us, he was as important as Kane is now.
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
I kind of agree with Ace regarding what constitutes achievement. The CL final and a PL runner up is by far the more impressive feat over a solitary Carling Cup win. It's a truer measure of drawn out, long term success over a cup run over 5-6 games.
Anyway, that's not really the point. I still don't look at silverware as the barometer for a players' ability nor 'who has been better for the club'. As far as I'm concerned they are two and the same thing. Paul Walsh won an FA Cup on the left wing with us. Does that make him better than Gareth Bale on account of him never having won a trophy with us? Of course not. Is Nayim better than Dele Alli? Paul Stewart better than Son? The player with the most ability IS the player that does the most for the club. Klinsmann isn't as good a player as Kane for me but the point still stands. For the fleeting time he was with us, he was as important as Kane is now.
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But how is coming runner up in a CL and coming 2nd in the league success ? Success is winning the thing. There’s a reason why Spurs are such underachievers when our supporters celebrate “success” as in coming runner up in a CL final. Was it a great achievement too reach there ? 100%. But it wasn’t success whatsoever. Winning the league cup is success whatever way you look at it and will go down in the history books. Coming runner up won’t. That being said, I’m not measuring Ledley king on that. I was just making a point. Regardless, Ledley is the best defender in the premier league era for Spurs no doubt about it
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Success is relative Don. In 2016 we’d only ever been in the CL once, five years earlier. Prior to that era we’d been largely garbage in the PL era. You cannot tell me that finishing runners up in the league, scoring the most goals, having the best defence (GD of +60) and being unbeaten at home all season (17 wins 2 draws) does not constitute success for Spurs.That was our best league season since we won it. Winning a league cup is nice but if you're finishing 11th in the table as we did that year then that’s a greater barometer of where the club is at and it’s not great - a cup like that is only papering over some pretty big cracks as we found out six months later when we were bottom of the league and Ramos was sacked.
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It was a great achievement Ace but I don’t constitute it as success mate and neither does the history books. Honestly mate, nobody gives a f** about Spurs coming 2nd in the premier league and in 10 years that will be completely forgotten about. The league cup might be papering over the cracks in certain circumstances, but it still goes down in history as a major honour for the club. Win 5 league cups in a row and that’s another 5 major honours too add to the list for the club. I find the whole CL story for us very disappointing. All that hard work and blood, sweat and tears reaching the final and we just completely blew and bottled it.
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Personally I’d much rather we were competing at the top of the league and competing in the CL than winning the league cup. The FA Cup is different, it’s a proper major honour with a bit of stardust, I’d love us to win that. But I’ve seen us win two league cups, they don’t give a club the kind of bragging rights you’re pining for mate and they certainly don’t do anything to change the fortunes of the club; we were a poor team generally who had nothing else to compete for both times, and our managers were sacked shortly afterwards.
The reality is nobody gives a fack about us winning the league cup in 08 either if that’s what you’re worried about, most dismiss the LC as Mickey Mouse these days, the only reason it ever even gets referenced is as a stick to beat us with because it was the last silverware we won.
What doe annoy me about Spurs is that we’ve gone into virtually all our cup semis or finals the last decade as underdogs and we never seem to play above ourselves to win. Against City and Chelsea in the LC and against Liverpool in the CL, it’s like we’d accepted defeat before a ball was kicked, rather than having the balls to go 110% and cause an upset - and yet these were teams we’d shown we could beat in the Prem. Winning the league cup would be nice purely to get the monkey off our back, rather than because it’s a significant honour IMO.
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But people still talk about it mate. When you discuss Spurs trophy history, the 2008 league cup does pop up in conversation and it’s imbedded in our history books as a major honour. Who gives a f** if jealous fans play it down ? It’s a major honour and still a cup competition at the end of the day. Like I say, coming runner up in a CL final does nothing for me Mate. A fantastic bit of excitement in the semi final and then we go and bottle it in true Spursy fashion in the final. One of the most pathetic performances ever. Didn’t even touch a hair on Liverpool’s head in that final and Liverpool were bang average too that game.
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Well I think Ace is 100% bang on with this. Each to their own Don but for me that CL journey in particular is filled with so many memories - I wouldn't swap the elation of the VAR decision against City or the comeback against Ajax with any League Cup win. Honestly. Those were fantastic memories. Mark my words, Spurs fans will still be talking about that far more than Woody's header against Chelsea in 20 years time. I mean, who talks about Nielsen's goal from 1999 now? I think it all depends on your outlook. I think Ace is right. Winning a League cup would be a monkey off the back. A way to shed the final day fears. Dining at the top table, however, does not compare. What we had for those few years was a real chance. A real chance of succeeding where the big boys failed. Winning a league cup is more about succeeding where the big boys CHOSE to fail. They chose to play lesser teams with greater priorities. City have nailed it every year as they have the squad to do it on 4 fronts without dropping quality.
Far better to be near the top of a ladder you want to climb rather than top of a ladder no one of stature really wants to climb.
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Not to mention the business side of the club. The club is nearly unrecognisable from 10 years ago. Like it or loathe it, that's CL revenue coming into play. We have the stadium we have and we've had (not so much the last couple of years) the players we've had because we've been a consistent CL performer and all the riches it brings. If we want to one day win the biggest trophies, what we started building with Poch was the way to do it. Despite what lazy pundits might tell you, a league cup is not a stepping stone. It can create a mental shift that could help, sure, but it won't see you challenge for the big prizes. Where are Swansea now? Birmingham? You can win it and get relegated the next season. If it wasn't for Harry, we nearly did. That's not progress. It's an anomaly. An exception.
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Well I think Ace is 100% bang on with this. Each to their own Don but for me that CL journey in particular is filled with so many memories - I wouldn't swap the elation of the VAR decision against City or the comeback against Ajax with any League Cup win. Honestly. Those were fantastic memories. Mark my words, Spurs fans will still be talking about that far more than Woody's header against Chelsea in 20 years time. I mean, who talks about Nielsen's goal from 1999 now? I think it all depends on your outlook. I think Ace is right. Winning a League cup would be a monkey off the back. A way to shed the final day fears. Dining at the top table, however, does not compare. What we had for those few years was a real chance. A real chance of succeeding where the big boys failed. Winning a league cup is more about succeeding where the big boys CHOSE to fail. They chose to play lesser teams with greater priorities. City have nailed it every year as they have the squad to do it on 4 fronts without dropping quality.
Far better to be near the top of a ladder you want to climb rather than top of a ladder no one of stature really wants to climb.
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We was at the top of the table but achieved nothing. Chelsea, City, Liverpool , United etc all win stuff. What good is dining at the top of the table if in the end, you don’t actually win anything. We have theoretically just become the old Arsenal, who we have taken the pi** out of for years. They were brilliant moments the City and Ajax CL games. Incredible moments and I loved them, but that’s all they were, moments. In the end they lead to sweet FA, failure.
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posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Well I think Ace is 100% bang on with this. Each to their own Don but for me that CL journey in particular is filled with so many memories - I wouldn't swap the elation of the VAR decision against City or the comeback against Ajax with any League Cup win. Honestly. Those were fantastic memories. Mark my words, Spurs fans will still be talking about that far more than Woody's header against Chelsea in 20 years time. I mean, who talks about Nielsen's goal from 1999 now? I think it all depends on your outlook. I think Ace is right. Winning a League cup would be a monkey off the back. A way to shed the final day fears. Dining at the top table, however, does not compare. What we had for those few years was a real chance. A real chance of succeeding where the big boys failed. Winning a league cup is more about succeeding where the big boys CHOSE to fail. They chose to play lesser teams with greater priorities. City have nailed it every year as they have the squad to do it on 4 fronts without dropping quality.
Far better to be near the top of a ladder you want to climb rather than top of a ladder no one of stature really wants to climb.
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We was at the top of the table but achieved nothing. Chelsea, City, Liverpool , United etc all win stuff. What good is dining at the top of the table if in the end, you don’t actually win anything. We have theoretically just become the old Arsenal, who we have taken the pi** out of for years. They were brilliant moments the City and Ajax CL games. Incredible moments and I loved them, but that’s all they were, moments. In the end they lead to sweet FA, failure.
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Totally agree Don. Being in finals and top four is nothing. Winning is everything. Maybe because I have seen Spurs win 14 trophies I can say that. But finishing 2nd in any competition just does absolutely nothing for me.
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I haven’t read most of the comments but anyone who doesn’t have Ledley at the top of the best defenders to have played for Spurs have no idea about, especially the lost art of defending. Even with his injury’s I would say he was still better than Judas. Judas was a big strong old school defender but Ledley was that and a whole lot more, he was a complete player. Do t forget he play holding midfielder for England, and was class.
If it wasn’t for Rory Delap, I believe King would up along side such greats like Maldini.
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Well I think Ace is 100% bang on with this. Each to their own Don but for me that CL journey in particular is filled with so many memories - I wouldn't swap the elation of the VAR decision against City or the comeback against Ajax with any League Cup win. Honestly. Those were fantastic memories. Mark my words, Spurs fans will still be talking about that far more than Woody's header against Chelsea in 20 years time. I mean, who talks about Nielsen's goal from 1999 now? I think it all depends on your outlook. I think Ace is right. Winning a League cup would be a monkey off the back. A way to shed the final day fears. Dining at the top table, however, does not compare. What we had for those few years was a real chance. A real chance of succeeding where the big boys failed. Winning a league cup is more about succeeding where the big boys CHOSE to fail. They chose to play lesser teams with greater priorities. City have nailed it every year as they have the squad to do it on 4 fronts without dropping quality.
Far better to be near the top of a ladder you want to climb rather than top of a ladder no one of stature really wants to climb.
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We was at the top of the table but achieved nothing. Chelsea, City, Liverpool , United etc all win stuff. What good is dining at the top of the table if in the end, you don’t actually win anything. We have theoretically just become the old Arsenal, who we have taken the pi** out of for years. They were brilliant moments the City and Ajax CL games. Incredible moments and I loved them, but that’s all they were, moments. In the end they lead to sweet FA, failure.
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Totally agree Don. Being in finals and top four is nothing. Winning is everything. Maybe because I have seen Spurs win 14 trophies I can say that. But finishing 2nd in any competition just does absolutely nothing for me.
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Agreed Sandy. In the end, we were all pi*** off that we didn’t end up winning the title. We were sad and depressed we got beat by Liverpool in the CL final. I certainly wasn’t thinking of Lucas Moura’s goal when I was walking out of the CL final screening at white hart lane. I was almost in tears, I was absolutely gutted and still am. I don’t think we will ever get too a champions final again in our lifetimes. That was our one and only chance in which we blew it. Liverpool on the other hand will probably get to other champions league finals in the next 10 years so will always have a chance. Our chance went in a flash. It’s all about winning trophies for me if you want to be a truly big and successful club. Coming 2nd and losing in a CL final is failing at the end of the day.
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