comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 1 minute ago
No fan who wants us to win the next two games is toxic based.
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The same fans if the 1% chance we end up winning the next 2 games will come back and shove "I told you so", "Plastic supporter", "Go support someone else".
Stop acting ignorant. Ole'inners are just as much retaliatory as the Outers
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Who are these 'Ole'inners' that you speak of? You can't read much of this site outside of your own deluded ramblings. Maybe you should just do an article for Culer.
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
You've paid your money to get into the ground and watch your team. You are free to boo or cheer as you wish.
You sure as hell don't need someone telling you when to sing. Let's sack the manager.
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He's basically saying if you don't do as he says, you're a bad supporter.
How fecked up is that?
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It's actually the other way round. The old timers have a specific template as to how Utd supporters should act, how they should support the manager through thick and thin regardless of results. That is more fecked up.
Weren't you the one when Moyes was appointed said you'll back him for the entire 6 years of his deal?
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No, no it's not the other way round. You can boo or cheer who the hell you like, at any age. The old timers don't have a specific template to follow, that's nonsense, they decide for themselves how to behave.
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You can boo, cheer whoever you want. Just don't want to listen to you gloating and putting down the other side the odd chance if we end up winning our next few games under Ole. Deal?
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It's a deal for me, because I don't. I have a post not far below this shows that.
Kneerash (a Scouser) gets it!
You talking about toxic fans is like Prince Andrew talking about s-x trafficking.
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
Conversion, software version 7.0
Looking at life through the eyes of a tire hub
Eating seeds as a pastime activity
The toxicity of our city, our city
You, what do you own the world?
How do you own disorder? Disorder
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It's alright, but it's no Britney
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 39 seconds ago
Kneerash (a Scouser) gets it!
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It's all the same mate no matter the club.
I've even seen faceless twitter accounts try to arrange FSGOUT protests at the ground, these kids live in India or something and expect the locals to protest stuff that isn't actually an issue!
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 38 seconds ago
Answer this... Are people who want us to win the next two matches and potentially turn our season around part of the "toxic fanbase"?
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There is no simple answer. The fact is he won't turn the season around. We have seen a few times over the last 3 years that when the going gets tough Ole somehow pulls out a couple of miraculous results (mostly through last ditch defending, smash and grab) and our fanbase keep singing "Ole at the wheel" while he buys himself some time before the next inevitable fack up.
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There's a really focking simple answer... You just choose to ignore it.
No fan who wants us to win the next two games is toxic based.
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Two of our next three games are against Liverpool and City how can any true United fan want to lose them no matter what the manager situation and how can anybody hate Ole enough to want to happen, the fact is they are both much better than us right now so it may well happen but not a bone in my body can wish for it, Spurs in between will probably be above us in the table so zero points is all possible but even then I don’t think the board will sack Ole
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Sometimes you gotta take the smaller L's if it results in bigger W's?
Would you give a fack if we lost to Liverpool when at the end of the season we win the title? Or better the CL? I would gladly lose 10-0 to Liverpool if that guarantees is the title.
The main reasons for hoping to see us lose the next 2 games -
1) Ole will 99% be sacked if we lose (especially to Pool). That would hopefully mean a competent manager to salvage our season.
2) After the Atalanta game there are still 3 more CL games left in the group so we are not mathematically out of it. Also we are not even 25% done with the league and we might still be within earshots of the league title if we get someone like Conte or Zidane and buy a DM or two in Jan.
So I hope we rather lose our next 2 games so that our season could be salvaged. Any sensible fan would think the same. And no Ole won't win us anything so stop saying that.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 39 seconds ago
Kneerash (a Scouser) gets it!
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It's all the same mate no matter the club.
I've even seen faceless twitter accounts try to arrange FSGOUT protests at the ground, these kids live in India or somethingand expect the locals to protest stuff that isn't actually an issue!
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It's OK to express doubts about the manager and still support him and the players when on the pitch. This really shouldn't be this difficult for someone to grasp!
I think United are slightly misguided in thinking the Fergie approach works in the modern era.
Many players do not play for the clubs honour as Fergie was able to engender in the 90s-00s. They play for themselves, for their careers, for their bank balance and trophy cabinet and they know that the moment the club fails to meet these expectations they just go and play for someone who does.
They don't care if the Utd manager is a United legend with the spirit and principles of the club running through his veins. Players are won over by the personality of the manager (which includes whether he's a winner or not). Successful managers are those who inspire their players and back it up with results, and with the modern player you have to often do that with kid gloves and you can only really start to get tough with them if it is backed up with success.
From the outside, OGS does seem to lack any inspirational qualities and he obviously lacks the CV to back up any sort of "my way or the highway" tough talking approach with his players.
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
Conversion, software version 7.0
Looking at life through the eyes of a tire hub
Eating seeds as a pastime activity
The toxicity of our city, our city
You, what do you own the world?
How do you own disorder? Disorder
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It's alright, but it's no Britney
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I went for the abstract noun over the adjective.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
You've paid your money to get into the ground and watch your team. You are free to boo or cheer as you wish.
You sure as hell don't need someone telling you when to sing. Let's sack the manager.
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He's basically saying if you don't do as he says, you're a bad supporter.
How fecked up is that?
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It's actually the other way round. The old timers have a specific template as to how Utd supporters should act, how they should support the manager through thick and thin regardless of results. That is more fecked up.
Weren't you the one when Moyes was appointed said you'll back him for the entire 6 years of his deal?
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No, no it's not the other way round. You can boo or cheer who the hell you like, at any age. The old timers don't have a specific template to follow, that's nonsense, they decide for themselves how to behave.
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You can boo, cheer whoever you want. Just don't want to listen to you gloating and putting down the other side the odd chance if we end up winning our next few games under Ole. Deal?
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It's a deal for me, because I don't. I have a post not far below this shows that.
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Ok
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 38 seconds ago
Answer this... Are people who want us to win the next two matches and potentially turn our season around part of the "toxic fanbase"?
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There is no simple answer. The fact is he won't turn the season around. We have seen a few times over the last 3 years that when the going gets tough Ole somehow pulls out a couple of miraculous results (mostly through last ditch defending, smash and grab) and our fanbase keep singing "Ole at the wheel" while he buys himself some time before the next inevitable fack up.
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There's a really focking simple answer... You just choose to ignore it.
No fan who wants us to win the next two games is toxic based.
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Two of our next three games are against Liverpool and City how can any true United fan want to lose them no matter what the manager situation and how can anybody hate Ole enough to want to happen, the fact is they are both much better than us right now so it may well happen but not a bone in my body can wish for it, Spurs in between will probably be above us in the table so zero points is all possible but even then I don’t think the board will sack Ole
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Sometimes you gotta take the smaller L's if it results in bigger W's?
Would you give a fack if we lost to Liverpool when at the end of the season we win the title? Or better the CL? I would gladly lose 10-0 to Liverpool if that guarantees is the title.
The main reasons for hoping to see us lose the next 2 games -
1) Ole will 99% be sacked if we lose (especially to Pool). That would hopefully mean a competent manager to salvage our season.
2) After the Atalanta game there are still 3 more CL games left in the group so we are not mathematically out of it. Also we are not even 25% done with the league and we might still be within earshots of the league title if we get someone like Conte or Zidane and buy a DM or two in Jan.
So I hope we rather lose our next 2 games so that our season could be salvaged. Any sensible fan would think the same. And no Ole won't win us anything so stop saying that.
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Absolutely ridiculous.
At best I'd want a change of approach as a by-product of disappointing results. I certainly won't be hoping for United defeats this week that's for sure!
"So I hope we rather lose our next 2 games so that our season could be salvaged. Any sensible fan would think the same. And no Ole won't win us anything so stop saying that."
So, if you don't hope that we lose our next two games, you're not sensible?
See what I mean, Nolhman?
Losing and getting a new manager doesn't guarantee the title though, so the whole point is moot.
I would have all my savings and my house and car taken from me if it guaranteed I won the Euromillions on Friday.
I don't think we should necessarily embrace such a culture. But I do feel that football has moved on from managers staying in post for years if they aren't delivering results. It's up to the club to determine the timing of when that is the case, though I certainly feel Ole has been given enough time to sort out style of play out, let alone deliver trophies.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 38 seconds ago
Answer this... Are people who want us to win the next two matches and potentially turn our season around part of the "toxic fanbase"?
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There is no simple answer. The fact is he won't turn the season around. We have seen a few times over the last 3 years that when the going gets tough Ole somehow pulls out a couple of miraculous results (mostly through last ditch defending, smash and grab) and our fanbase keep singing "Ole at the wheel" while he buys himself some time before the next inevitable fack up.
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There's a really focking simple answer... You just choose to ignore it.
No fan who wants us to win the next two games is toxic based.
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Two of our next three games are against Liverpool and City how can any true United fan want to lose them no matter what the manager situation and how can anybody hate Ole enough to want to happen, the fact is they are both much better than us right now so it may well happen but not a bone in my body can wish for it, Spurs in between will probably be above us in the table so zero points is all possible but even then I don’t think the board will sack Ole
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Sometimes you gotta take the smaller L's if it results in bigger W's?
Would you give a fack if we lost to Liverpool when at the end of the season we win the title? Or better the CL? I would gladly lose 10-0 to Liverpool if that guarantees is the title.
The main reasons for hoping to see us lose the next 2 games -
1) Ole will 99% be sacked if we lose (especially to Pool). That would hopefully mean a competent manager to salvage our season.
2) After the Atalanta game there are still 3 more CL games left in the group so we are not mathematically out of it. Also we are not even 25% done with the league and we might still be within earshots of the league title if we get someone like Conte or Zidane and buy a DM or two in Jan.
So I hope we rather lose our next 2 games so that our season could be salvaged. Any sensible fan would think the same. And no Ole won't win us anything so stop saying that.
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Absolutely ridiculous.
At best I'd want a change of approach as a by-product of disappointing results. I certainly won't be hoping for United defeats this week that's for sure!
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We have hoped for this change of approach for 3 years now. Accept it that we ain't getting it. The manager is no up to the task. Seeing his Sunday league level staff of Phelan, Carrick, KM besides him infuriates me.
Even if we win the next 2 games is there a guarantee that we will win anything? Or we play a better brand of football? All signs point to negative. So take the hit and hope for change in management by next week
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 1 minute ago
Losing and getting a new manager doesn't guarantee the title though, so the whole point is moot.
I would have all my savings and my house and car taken from me if it guaranteed I won the Euromillions on Friday.
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Hello I am a Nigerian prince. I can guarantee this happening. Please send me your bank account details etc.
I never want the team to lose. Think it kind of defeats the purpose of supporting a team if you ever adopt that mindset, whether that's with a potential long term benefit or not
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 minutes ago
Losing and getting a new manager doesn't guarantee the title though, so the whole point is moot.
I would have all my savings and my house and car taken from me if it guaranteed I won the Euromillions on Friday.
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However with someone like Conte or Zidane in the dugout rather than Ole gives us a far better chance of competing with our rivals. You want to lose the game even before it starts.
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 25 seconds ago
I never want the team to lose. Think it kind of defeats the purpose of supporting a team if you ever adopt that mindset, whether that's with a potential long term benefit or not
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If your dog is on his final legs and doctors have advised putting him down what would you do? Allow him to suffer or pull the plug?
I don't tend to disagree much in terms of maybe it is time for Ole to go but wanting us to lose to facilitate it is just daft. If Ole, hypothetically, kept winning matches to keep the wolf from the door how long would that run have to continue before we stop wanting us to lose?
For me, the best case scenario sees Ole turning it around and we get performances and results. The fact I don't really believe that'll happen doesn't mean I can't hope that it will.
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 25 seconds ago
I never want the team to lose. Think it kind of defeats the purpose of supporting a team if you ever adopt that mindset, whether that's with a potential long term benefit or not
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If your dog is on his final legs and doctors have advised putting him down what would you do? Allow him to suffer or pull the plug?
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I've used this analogy in the past too and you've used it incorrectly here.
You wouldn't WANT the dog to die would you?
eeing his Sunday league level staff of Phelan, Carrick, KM besides him infuriates me.
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See this is exactly the issue and what shows the difference between match going fans and internet fans.
Why slate some of your own so badly? calling them Sunday League when Carrick won multiple trophies with you as a player and Phelan is one of the games most decorated coaches.
Shows your own lack of intellect to call men like this Sunday league when all you do is post rubbish on the internet.
You're not a real united fan, you're in it for you, what ever kudos you give yourself for the achievements of the club makes you think you're a proper fan but you're not, you'd happily see ex players be slated if it meant a trophy for you to brag online about. You don't care about the club, you're more worried about getting flack from the likes of me. You value internet cred over Manchester United
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 33 seconds ago
I don't tend to disagree much in terms of maybe it is time for Ole to go but wanting us to lose to facilitate it is just daft. If Ole, hypothetically, kept winning matches to keep the wolf from the door how long would that run have to continue before we stop wanting us to lose?
For me, the best case scenario sees Ole turning it around and we get performances and results. The fact I don't really believe that'll happen doesn't mean I can't hope that it will.
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Yep, I'd say that's a pretty sensible and normal outlook on things
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posted on 18/10/21
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 1 minute ago
No fan who wants us to win the next two games is toxic based.
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The same fans if the 1% chance we end up winning the next 2 games will come back and shove "I told you so", "Plastic supporter", "Go support someone else".
Stop acting ignorant. Ole'inners are just as much retaliatory as the Outers
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Who are these 'Ole'inners' that you speak of? You can't read much of this site outside of your own deluded ramblings. Maybe you should just do an article for Culer.
posted on 18/10/21
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
You've paid your money to get into the ground and watch your team. You are free to boo or cheer as you wish.
You sure as hell don't need someone telling you when to sing. Let's sack the manager.
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He's basically saying if you don't do as he says, you're a bad supporter.
How fecked up is that?
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It's actually the other way round. The old timers have a specific template as to how Utd supporters should act, how they should support the manager through thick and thin regardless of results. That is more fecked up.
Weren't you the one when Moyes was appointed said you'll back him for the entire 6 years of his deal?
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No, no it's not the other way round. You can boo or cheer who the hell you like, at any age. The old timers don't have a specific template to follow, that's nonsense, they decide for themselves how to behave.
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You can boo, cheer whoever you want. Just don't want to listen to you gloating and putting down the other side the odd chance if we end up winning our next few games under Ole. Deal?
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It's a deal for me, because I don't. I have a post not far below this shows that.
posted on 18/10/21
'The other side'
posted on 18/10/21
Kneerash (a Scouser) gets it!
posted on 18/10/21
You talking about toxic fans is like Prince Andrew talking about s-x trafficking.
posted on 18/10/21
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
Conversion, software version 7.0
Looking at life through the eyes of a tire hub
Eating seeds as a pastime activity
The toxicity of our city, our city
You, what do you own the world?
How do you own disorder? Disorder
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It's alright, but it's no Britney
posted on 18/10/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 39 seconds ago
Kneerash (a Scouser) gets it!
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It's all the same mate no matter the club.
I've even seen faceless twitter accounts try to arrange FSGOUT protests at the ground, these kids live in India or something and expect the locals to protest stuff that isn't actually an issue!
posted on 18/10/21
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 38 seconds ago
Answer this... Are people who want us to win the next two matches and potentially turn our season around part of the "toxic fanbase"?
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There is no simple answer. The fact is he won't turn the season around. We have seen a few times over the last 3 years that when the going gets tough Ole somehow pulls out a couple of miraculous results (mostly through last ditch defending, smash and grab) and our fanbase keep singing "Ole at the wheel" while he buys himself some time before the next inevitable fack up.
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There's a really focking simple answer... You just choose to ignore it.
No fan who wants us to win the next two games is toxic based.
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Two of our next three games are against Liverpool and City how can any true United fan want to lose them no matter what the manager situation and how can anybody hate Ole enough to want to happen, the fact is they are both much better than us right now so it may well happen but not a bone in my body can wish for it, Spurs in between will probably be above us in the table so zero points is all possible but even then I don’t think the board will sack Ole
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Sometimes you gotta take the smaller L's if it results in bigger W's?
Would you give a fack if we lost to Liverpool when at the end of the season we win the title? Or better the CL? I would gladly lose 10-0 to Liverpool if that guarantees is the title.
The main reasons for hoping to see us lose the next 2 games -
1) Ole will 99% be sacked if we lose (especially to Pool). That would hopefully mean a competent manager to salvage our season.
2) After the Atalanta game there are still 3 more CL games left in the group so we are not mathematically out of it. Also we are not even 25% done with the league and we might still be within earshots of the league title if we get someone like Conte or Zidane and buy a DM or two in Jan.
So I hope we rather lose our next 2 games so that our season could be salvaged. Any sensible fan would think the same. And no Ole won't win us anything so stop saying that.
posted on 18/10/21
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 39 seconds ago
Kneerash (a Scouser) gets it!
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It's all the same mate no matter the club.
I've even seen faceless twitter accounts try to arrange FSGOUT protests at the ground, these kids live in India or somethingand expect the locals to protest stuff that isn't actually an issue!
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It's OK to express doubts about the manager and still support him and the players when on the pitch. This really shouldn't be this difficult for someone to grasp!
posted on 18/10/21
I think United are slightly misguided in thinking the Fergie approach works in the modern era.
Many players do not play for the clubs honour as Fergie was able to engender in the 90s-00s. They play for themselves, for their careers, for their bank balance and trophy cabinet and they know that the moment the club fails to meet these expectations they just go and play for someone who does.
They don't care if the Utd manager is a United legend with the spirit and principles of the club running through his veins. Players are won over by the personality of the manager (which includes whether he's a winner or not). Successful managers are those who inspire their players and back it up with results, and with the modern player you have to often do that with kid gloves and you can only really start to get tough with them if it is backed up with success.
From the outside, OGS does seem to lack any inspirational qualities and he obviously lacks the CV to back up any sort of "my way or the highway" tough talking approach with his players.
posted on 18/10/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
Conversion, software version 7.0
Looking at life through the eyes of a tire hub
Eating seeds as a pastime activity
The toxicity of our city, our city
You, what do you own the world?
How do you own disorder? Disorder
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It's alright, but it's no Britney
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I went for the abstract noun over the adjective.
posted on 18/10/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
You've paid your money to get into the ground and watch your team. You are free to boo or cheer as you wish.
You sure as hell don't need someone telling you when to sing. Let's sack the manager.
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He's basically saying if you don't do as he says, you're a bad supporter.
How fecked up is that?
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It's actually the other way round. The old timers have a specific template as to how Utd supporters should act, how they should support the manager through thick and thin regardless of results. That is more fecked up.
Weren't you the one when Moyes was appointed said you'll back him for the entire 6 years of his deal?
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No, no it's not the other way round. You can boo or cheer who the hell you like, at any age. The old timers don't have a specific template to follow, that's nonsense, they decide for themselves how to behave.
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You can boo, cheer whoever you want. Just don't want to listen to you gloating and putting down the other side the odd chance if we end up winning our next few games under Ole. Deal?
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It's a deal for me, because I don't. I have a post not far below this shows that.
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Ok
posted on 18/10/21
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 38 seconds ago
Answer this... Are people who want us to win the next two matches and potentially turn our season around part of the "toxic fanbase"?
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There is no simple answer. The fact is he won't turn the season around. We have seen a few times over the last 3 years that when the going gets tough Ole somehow pulls out a couple of miraculous results (mostly through last ditch defending, smash and grab) and our fanbase keep singing "Ole at the wheel" while he buys himself some time before the next inevitable fack up.
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There's a really focking simple answer... You just choose to ignore it.
No fan who wants us to win the next two games is toxic based.
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Two of our next three games are against Liverpool and City how can any true United fan want to lose them no matter what the manager situation and how can anybody hate Ole enough to want to happen, the fact is they are both much better than us right now so it may well happen but not a bone in my body can wish for it, Spurs in between will probably be above us in the table so zero points is all possible but even then I don’t think the board will sack Ole
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Sometimes you gotta take the smaller L's if it results in bigger W's?
Would you give a fack if we lost to Liverpool when at the end of the season we win the title? Or better the CL? I would gladly lose 10-0 to Liverpool if that guarantees is the title.
The main reasons for hoping to see us lose the next 2 games -
1) Ole will 99% be sacked if we lose (especially to Pool). That would hopefully mean a competent manager to salvage our season.
2) After the Atalanta game there are still 3 more CL games left in the group so we are not mathematically out of it. Also we are not even 25% done with the league and we might still be within earshots of the league title if we get someone like Conte or Zidane and buy a DM or two in Jan.
So I hope we rather lose our next 2 games so that our season could be salvaged. Any sensible fan would think the same. And no Ole won't win us anything so stop saying that.
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Absolutely ridiculous.
At best I'd want a change of approach as a by-product of disappointing results. I certainly won't be hoping for United defeats this week that's for sure!
posted on 18/10/21
"So I hope we rather lose our next 2 games so that our season could be salvaged. Any sensible fan would think the same. And no Ole won't win us anything so stop saying that."
So, if you don't hope that we lose our next two games, you're not sensible?
See what I mean, Nolhman?
posted on 18/10/21
Losing and getting a new manager doesn't guarantee the title though, so the whole point is moot.
I would have all my savings and my house and car taken from me if it guaranteed I won the Euromillions on Friday.
posted on 18/10/21
I don't think we should necessarily embrace such a culture. But I do feel that football has moved on from managers staying in post for years if they aren't delivering results. It's up to the club to determine the timing of when that is the case, though I certainly feel Ole has been given enough time to sort out style of play out, let alone deliver trophies.
posted on 18/10/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 38 seconds ago
Answer this... Are people who want us to win the next two matches and potentially turn our season around part of the "toxic fanbase"?
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There is no simple answer. The fact is he won't turn the season around. We have seen a few times over the last 3 years that when the going gets tough Ole somehow pulls out a couple of miraculous results (mostly through last ditch defending, smash and grab) and our fanbase keep singing "Ole at the wheel" while he buys himself some time before the next inevitable fack up.
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There's a really focking simple answer... You just choose to ignore it.
No fan who wants us to win the next two games is toxic based.
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Two of our next three games are against Liverpool and City how can any true United fan want to lose them no matter what the manager situation and how can anybody hate Ole enough to want to happen, the fact is they are both much better than us right now so it may well happen but not a bone in my body can wish for it, Spurs in between will probably be above us in the table so zero points is all possible but even then I don’t think the board will sack Ole
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Sometimes you gotta take the smaller L's if it results in bigger W's?
Would you give a fack if we lost to Liverpool when at the end of the season we win the title? Or better the CL? I would gladly lose 10-0 to Liverpool if that guarantees is the title.
The main reasons for hoping to see us lose the next 2 games -
1) Ole will 99% be sacked if we lose (especially to Pool). That would hopefully mean a competent manager to salvage our season.
2) After the Atalanta game there are still 3 more CL games left in the group so we are not mathematically out of it. Also we are not even 25% done with the league and we might still be within earshots of the league title if we get someone like Conte or Zidane and buy a DM or two in Jan.
So I hope we rather lose our next 2 games so that our season could be salvaged. Any sensible fan would think the same. And no Ole won't win us anything so stop saying that.
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Absolutely ridiculous.
At best I'd want a change of approach as a by-product of disappointing results. I certainly won't be hoping for United defeats this week that's for sure!
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We have hoped for this change of approach for 3 years now. Accept it that we ain't getting it. The manager is no up to the task. Seeing his Sunday league level staff of Phelan, Carrick, KM besides him infuriates me.
Even if we win the next 2 games is there a guarantee that we will win anything? Or we play a better brand of football? All signs point to negative. So take the hit and hope for change in management by next week
posted on 18/10/21
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 1 minute ago
Losing and getting a new manager doesn't guarantee the title though, so the whole point is moot.
I would have all my savings and my house and car taken from me if it guaranteed I won the Euromillions on Friday.
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posted on 18/10/21
I never want the team to lose. Think it kind of defeats the purpose of supporting a team if you ever adopt that mindset, whether that's with a potential long term benefit or not
posted on 18/10/21
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 minutes ago
Losing and getting a new manager doesn't guarantee the title though, so the whole point is moot.
I would have all my savings and my house and car taken from me if it guaranteed I won the Euromillions on Friday.
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However with someone like Conte or Zidane in the dugout rather than Ole gives us a far better chance of competing with our rivals. You want to lose the game even before it starts.
posted on 18/10/21
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 25 seconds ago
I never want the team to lose. Think it kind of defeats the purpose of supporting a team if you ever adopt that mindset, whether that's with a potential long term benefit or not
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If your dog is on his final legs and doctors have advised putting him down what would you do? Allow him to suffer or pull the plug?
posted on 18/10/21
I don't tend to disagree much in terms of maybe it is time for Ole to go but wanting us to lose to facilitate it is just daft. If Ole, hypothetically, kept winning matches to keep the wolf from the door how long would that run have to continue before we stop wanting us to lose?
For me, the best case scenario sees Ole turning it around and we get performances and results. The fact I don't really believe that'll happen doesn't mean I can't hope that it will.
posted on 18/10/21
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 25 seconds ago
I never want the team to lose. Think it kind of defeats the purpose of supporting a team if you ever adopt that mindset, whether that's with a potential long term benefit or not
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If your dog is on his final legs and doctors have advised putting him down what would you do? Allow him to suffer or pull the plug?
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I've used this analogy in the past too and you've used it incorrectly here.
You wouldn't WANT the dog to die would you?
posted on 18/10/21
eeing his Sunday league level staff of Phelan, Carrick, KM besides him infuriates me.
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See this is exactly the issue and what shows the difference between match going fans and internet fans.
Why slate some of your own so badly? calling them Sunday League when Carrick won multiple trophies with you as a player and Phelan is one of the games most decorated coaches.
Shows your own lack of intellect to call men like this Sunday league when all you do is post rubbish on the internet.
You're not a real united fan, you're in it for you, what ever kudos you give yourself for the achievements of the club makes you think you're a proper fan but you're not, you'd happily see ex players be slated if it meant a trophy for you to brag online about. You don't care about the club, you're more worried about getting flack from the likes of me. You value internet cred over Manchester United
posted on 18/10/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 33 seconds ago
I don't tend to disagree much in terms of maybe it is time for Ole to go but wanting us to lose to facilitate it is just daft. If Ole, hypothetically, kept winning matches to keep the wolf from the door how long would that run have to continue before we stop wanting us to lose?
For me, the best case scenario sees Ole turning it around and we get performances and results. The fact I don't really believe that'll happen doesn't mean I can't hope that it will.
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Yep, I'd say that's a pretty sensible and normal outlook on things
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