comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 9 minutes ago
Ole will declare in his press conference this weekend we're going to play 442!
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I don't think that's a bad shout actually, Diafol. Can't be any worse than the current set up.
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And play Bruno and Pogba where?
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Um... you want actual specifics? Bugger...

OK

De Gea
AWB Lindelof Maguire Shaw
Bruno McT Matic Sancho
Cavani Ronaldo

No you're right, that's fecking awful
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So play our most productive player and the only one who looks bothered to put in any effort out of position?

comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 9 minutes ago
Ole will declare in his press conference this weekend we're going to play 442!
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I don't think that's a bad shout actually, Diafol. Can't be any worse than the current set up.
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And play Bruno and Pogba where?
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Um... you want actual specifics? Bugger...

OK

De Gea
AWB Lindelof Maguire Shaw
Bruno McT Matic Sancho
Cavani Ronaldo

No you're right, that's fecking awful
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So play our most productive player and the only one who looks bothered to put in any effort out of position?
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Did you actually read what I wrote

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This is not just about ja

…..

No one else is going to see your comments are they, so they are pointless.

Go to the ground and make your protests heard.

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 9 minutes ago
Ole will declare in his press conference this weekend we're going to play 442!
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I don't think that's a bad shout actually, Diafol. Can't be any worse than the current set up.
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And play Bruno and Pogba where?
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Um... you want actual specifics? Bugger...

OK

De Gea
AWB Lindelof Maguire Shaw
Bruno McT Matic Sancho
Cavani Ronaldo

No you're right, that's fecking awful
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So play our most productive player and the only one who looks bothered to put in any effort out of position?
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Did you actually read what I wrote
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He can't see due to the tears in his eyes.
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Losing to Leicester has hit him hard. His mental state's like a gyroscope that's slowing down and wobbling all over the place at the moment.

Hiring and firing regularly only works if you’ve a top director of football and great recruitment.

We have neither, ai rely on our manager to make too many important decisions. So new managers take 2 years minimum to get their ideas for the club implemented.

It’s why you see 3 mish mashes if squads from LVG, to Jose not to Ole.

We need to be playing everyone in their correct positions. Rashford and Sancho out wide. Pogba in central midfielder, Bruno as a 10, Greenwood centrally, Ronaldo down the middle and Cavani as the main striker.

It is very simple to accommodate them:

--------------De Gea---------
Sancho-----Varane---Maguire-----Rashford
----------------------McTominay---------------
----------------------Pogba------------------------
---------------------Bruno------------------------
---------------------Greenwood----------------------
---------------------Ronaldo------------------
---------------------Cavani-------------------

love how you've just completely flipped what toxic means

comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 50 seconds ago
love how you've just completely flipped what toxic means
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toxic [adj.]

1. harmless, benign
2. optimistic

comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 50 seconds ago
love how you've just completely flipped what toxic means
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toxic [adj.]

1. harmless, benign
2. optimistic

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toxic [adj.]

1.giving support.
2.providing sympathy or encouragement:
3.providing additional help, information, etc.

comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 50 seconds ago
love how you've just completely flipped what toxic means
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toxic [adj.]

1. harmless, benign
2. optimistic

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toxic [adj.]

1.giving support.
2.providing sympathy or encouragement:
3.providing additional help, information, etc.
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4. Stretford Enders

comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 50 seconds ago
love how you've just completely flipped what toxic means
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toxic [adj.]

1. harmless, benign
2. optimistic

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toxic [adj.]

1.giving support.
2.providing sympathy or encouragement:
3.providing additional help, information, etc.
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4. Stretford Enders
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* Benders

OP just revealed his waank bank.

You've gone quiet OP, I guess being an active internet fan is tiring.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 minutes ago
You've gone quiet OP, I guess being an active internet fan is tiring.
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The thing with the OP is that I think there's a point in there somewhere.

I do think United have to move away from thinking we're getting another SAF dynasty. We need to make peace with the fact the managers will be for 3/4 years tops and if it isn't working be better in identifying that.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 minutes ago

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The thing with the OP is that I think there's a point in there somewhere.

I do think United have to move away from thinking we're getting another SAF dynasty. We need to make peace with the fact the managers will be for 3/4 years tops and if it isn't working be better in identifying that.
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yes, that's how i feel, i have lost count of the number of "look how long saf was given, you'd have sacked him in 1988" type posts i have seen on here over the past few years, whereas i don't recall arsenal fans arguing the same for arteta (because wenger), or liverpool fans for hodgson (because shankly).

i've seen posters write off a player - dan james say - after a dozen games, but then argue that we need to give the manager another entire season because only now does he have the team he wanted.

It's incredibly insulting to SAF as well stating that time is the only thing needed.

That's the club's thinking and strategy though, not the people who pay their hard earned cash to watch them or (even more weirdly) people who contribute to an discussion forum online. There's a lot of muddled thinking that goes on in the online bubble.

One of the 'you'd have sacked Fergie' articles was actually mine; I posted it after the home loss to Burnley to highlight the online hysteria that surrounds a patch of bad form. It was, of course, wildly misinterpreted as 'give Ole longer and he'll turn out like Fergie'

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 minutes ago

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The thing with the OP is that I think there's a point in there somewhere.

I do think United have to move away from thinking we're getting another SAF dynasty. We need to make peace with the fact the managers will be for 3/4 years tops and if it isn't working be better in identifying that.
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yes, that's how i feel, i have lost count of the number of "look how long saf was given, you'd have sacked him in 1988" type posts i have seen on here over the past few years, whereas i don't recall arsenal fans arguing the same for arteta (because wenger), or liverpool fans for hodgson (because shankly).

i've seen posters write off a player - dan james say - after a dozen games, but then argue that we need to give the manager another entire season because only now does he have the team he wanted.
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Well, to be fair, Wenger didn’t need much time. I think he said he’d win the league within two years and he did.

comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
That's the club's thinking and strategy though, not the people who pay their hard earned cash to watch them or (even more weirdly) people who contribute to an discussion forum online. There's a lot of muddled thinking that goes on in the online bubble.

One of the 'you'd have sacked Fergie' articles was actually mine; I posted it after the home loss to Burnley to highlight the online hysteria that surrounds a patch of bad form. It was, of course, wildly misinterpreted as 'give Ole longer and he'll turn out like Fergie'
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I'm delighted we stuck by SAF but I don't think history would have judged United badly had they sacked him then either. A sliding doors moment certainly.

The issue is that SAF was a blessing but is now a kind of curse as he's the unrealistic manager we judge all on.

comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
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Well, to be fair, Wenger didn’t need much time. I think he said he’d win the league within two years and he did.
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true, at least in the english game one of the things about saf is that his evolution was almost unique, i'm trying to think of managers who were basically seen as failures after 3 years in the job but then managed to turn it around (and then some). yet almost all of the long-servers i can think of (shankly, clough, wenger, klopp and pep, even allardyce) achieved some tangible success within 3 years and then built on it.

i'm sure there are some names out there, but saf really is a huge outlier.

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
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Well, to be fair, Wenger didn’t need much time. I think he said he’d win the league within two years and he did.
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true, at least in the english game one of the things about saf is that his evolution was almost unique, i'm trying to think of managers who were basically seen as failures after 3 years in the job but then managed to turn it around (and then some). yet almost all of the long-servers i can think of (shankly, clough, wenger, klopp and pep, even allardyce) achieved some tangible success within 3 years and then built on it.

i'm sure there are some names out there, but saf really is a huge outlier.
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This was the season to kick on, we've seen improvements in finishing positions every season, getting to a final etc. and this was (we all seemed to agree) when it had to start happening, and it looks like it may not. That doesn't change anyone's views on him, it's in line with the lower end of people's expectations with the probable outcome being his dismissal (I guess the question is how much does the situation have to deteriorate before they pull the trigger). On your other question, I think Revie took two years to get out of the 2nd division with Leeds, I might be wrong but that rings a bell. Different animal though, Leeds weren't especially a big club then and he got them challenging straight away after he took them up.

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
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Well, to be fair, Wenger didn’t need much time. I think he said he’d win the league within two years and he did.
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true, at least in the english game one of the things about saf is that his evolution was almost unique, i'm trying to think of managers who were basically seen as failures after 3 years in the job but then managed to turn it around (and then some). yet almost all of the long-servers i can think of (shankly, clough, wenger, klopp and pep, even allardyce) achieved some tangible success within 3 years and then built on it.

i'm sure there are some names out there, but saf really is a huge outlier.
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Howard Kendall is the closest I can think of really. Even that's going back 40 years.

halfway through the 83/84 season everton had won 6 of 21 games, were just outside the relegation zone, and often played games to chants of "kendall out". 18 months later they won the league, followed by another 2 years later.

kendall had been in charge for c. 2 1/2 years when he narrowly avoided the chop, just as ole has now. conclusion? nil desperandum.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
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Howard Kendall is the closest I can think of really. Even that's going back 40 years.
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dang, beat me to it by 10 seconds