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posted on 26/10/21

But the man on the street who goes to church and takes the good lessons from the bible etc. And is a good person is fine with me.

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 26/10/21

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 54 seconds ago
The problem atheists have is in a couple of months they'll be celebrating Christmas. When asked why, they will say it brings families together. Yes, religion brings families together, and what does Atheism do that is as meaningful?
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Why pick on Christmas and not New Year?

They are traditional holidays so the days of the year few have an excuse. To assert that it is the religious aspect that 'brings families together' is disingenuous. Partly a pash up, partly gets wide family visit out the way in one go. A duty for most, and endurance for many. Shallow just like the retail fiesta it has become.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 41 seconds ago
But the man on the street who goes to church and takes the good lessons from the bible etc. And is a good person is fine with me.
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Conversely, people with a good moral compass who are decent human beings are fine with me, they don't need religion to teach them that!

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
The problem atheists have is in a couple of months they'll be celebrating Christmas. When asked why, they will say it brings families together. Yes, religion brings families together, and what does Atheism do that is as meaningful?
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Christmas is less about Christianity and more about secular winter holiday.
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Not religious for many these days, but they go along with all the tradition and stuff, and say it's about family rather than religion. Atheists still use religion to promote family values because Atheism itself doesn't—it has no tradition.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 54 seconds ago
The problem atheists have is in a couple of months they'll be celebrating Christmas. When asked why, they will say it brings families together. Yes, religion brings families together, and what does Atheism do that is as meaningful?
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Why pick on Christmas and not New Year?

They are traditional holidays so the days of the year few have an excuse. To assert that it is the religious aspect that 'brings families together' is disingenuous. Partly a pash up, partly gets wide family visit out the way in one go. A duty for most, and endurance for many. Shallow just like the retail fiesta it has become.
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Halloween coming up too, from pagan religion.

I didn't mean the religious aspect brings families together, but the festival itself—and that festival is from religion.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
Yes, because there’s always been different levels of commitment towards faith and religion. You’ve just got a narrow view of it. And the stats about church attendances in Britain do nothing to contradict my point about Christianity globally, or even domestically, particularly because even in the absence of God these secular nations are still fundamentally Christian - people either just don’t know it or refuse to accept it.
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I get your point


What is fundamentally Christian about 21st Century multi cultural, multi faith, sexually diverse England for example?

What are these ideals you speak of?
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Because they’ve manifested from Christian moral arguments. Putting the needs of oppressed at the centre society is a completely Christian ideal.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 54 seconds ago
The problem atheists have is in a couple of months they'll be celebrating Christmas. When asked why, they will say it brings families together. Yes, religion brings families together, and what does Atheism do that is as meaningful?
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Why pick on Christmas and not New Year?

They are traditional holidays so the days of the year few have an excuse. To assert that it is the religious aspect that 'brings families together' is disingenuous. Partly a pash up, partly gets wide family visit out the way in one go. A duty for most, and endurance for many. Shallow just like the retail fiesta it has become.
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Halloween coming up too, from pagan religion.

I didn't mean the religious aspect brings families together, but the festival itself—and that festival is from religion.
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Anything that unites families is a good tradition. Even if the religious aspect is irrelevant to them.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 41 seconds ago
But the man on the street who goes to church and takes the good lessons from the bible etc. And is a good person is fine with me.
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Conversely, people with a good moral compass who are decent human beings are fine with me, they don't need religion to teach them that!
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Yep I'm with you there, I just think if people find solace in a religious text and don't force it on people then that's a good thing.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
Yes, because there’s always been different levels of commitment towards faith and religion. You’ve just got a narrow view of it. And the stats about church attendances in Britain do nothing to contradict my point about Christianity globally, or even domestically, particularly because even in the absence of God these secular nations are still fundamentally Christian - people either just don’t know it or refuse to accept it.
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I get your point


What is fundamentally Christian about 21st Century multi cultural, multi faith, sexually diverse England for example?

What are these ideals you speak of?
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Because they’ve manifested from Christian moral arguments. Putting the needs of oppressed at the centre society is a completely Christian ideal.
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Morality around persecuting homo sexuals, for example? Because at its core that practice is compatible with Christianity. Or is it that society has decided to deviate from that core ideal therefore they reject an aspect of Christianity?

A rejection of one aspect is a rejection of the entire faith in other religions.

posted on 26/10/21

Interesting article. The only reason I would ever give god a chance is for the exact reason you doubt one exists and that is that something must have started somewhere. Even if all science followed the first thing made, that thing still had to be made whether it’s a spec or atom or whatever. And if then a god created that then who created the first god, where did they come from. Why did something come out of nothing. Mad.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 41 seconds ago
But the man on the street who goes to church and takes the good lessons from the bible etc. And is a good person is fine with me.
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Conversely, people with a good moral compass who are decent human beings are fine with me, they don't need religion to teach them that!
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Yep I'm with you there, I just think if people find solace in a religious text and don't force it on people then that's a good thing.
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Exactly

posted on 26/10/21

If God or a higher being showed up which religion will increase its following?

I would think a new modern religion that's a reflection of the times and more relevant now. Not some archaic faith from over 2000 years ago!

The Abrahamic faiths and their scriptures are the best selling work of fiction. EVER. or is it still Harry Potter?

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
Yes, because there’s always been different levels of commitment towards faith and religion. You’ve just got a narrow view of it. And the stats about church attendances in Britain do nothing to contradict my point about Christianity globally, or even domestically, particularly because even in the absence of God these secular nations are still fundamentally Christian - people either just don’t know it or refuse to accept it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I get your point


What is fundamentally Christian about 21st Century multi cultural, multi faith, sexually diverse England for example?

What are these ideals you speak of?
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Because they’ve manifested from Christian moral arguments. Putting the needs of oppressed at the centre society is a completely Christian ideal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Morality around persecuting homo sexuals, for example? Because at its core that practice is compatible with Christianity. Or is it that society has decided to deviate from that core ideal therefore they reject an aspect of Christianity?

A rejection of one aspect is a rejection of the entire faith in other religions.
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*Incompatible

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
Yes, because there’s always been different levels of commitment towards faith and religion. You’ve just got a narrow view of it. And the stats about church attendances in Britain do nothing to contradict my point about Christianity globally, or even domestically, particularly because even in the absence of God these secular nations are still fundamentally Christian - people either just don’t know it or refuse to accept it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I get your point


What is fundamentally Christian about 21st Century multi cultural, multi faith, sexually diverse England for example?

What are these ideals you speak of?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because they’ve manifested from Christian moral arguments. Putting the needs of oppressed at the centre society is a completely Christian ideal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Morality around persecuting homo sexuals, for example? Because at its core that practice is compatible with Christianity. Or is it that society has decided to deviate from that core ideal therefore they reject an aspect of Christianity?

A rejection of one aspect is a rejection of the entire faith in other religions.
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That attitude towards homosexuality is still prevalent in society, though, and is also a Christian moral argument. You seem to be unable to separate the moral arguments that have existed within Christianity and how they’re often manifested in society.

Rejecting aspects of Christianity is not a rejection of the entire faith, not from our perspective or the perspective of the numerous sects of Christianity that exist around the world.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
Yes, because there’s always been different levels of commitment towards faith and religion. You’ve just got a narrow view of it. And the stats about church attendances in Britain do nothing to contradict my point about Christianity globally, or even domestically, particularly because even in the absence of God these secular nations are still fundamentally Christian - people either just don’t know it or refuse to accept it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I get your point


What is fundamentally Christian about 21st Century multi cultural, multi faith, sexually diverse England for example?

What are these ideals you speak of?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because they’ve manifested from Christian moral arguments. Putting the needs of oppressed at the centre society is a completely Christian ideal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Morality around persecuting homo sexuals, for example? Because at its core that practice is compatible with Christianity. Or is it that society has decided to deviate from that core ideal therefore they reject an aspect of Christianity?

A rejection of one aspect is a rejection of the entire faith in other religions.
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That attitude towards homosexuality is still prevalent in society, though, and is also a Christian moral argument. You seem to be unable to separate the moral arguments that have existed within Christianity and how they’re often manifested in society.

Rejecting aspects of Christianity is not a rejection of the entire faith, not from our perspective or the perspective of the numerous sects of Christianity that exist around the world.
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It is prevalent in society but at the heart of Christianity and all faiths of Abraham, anything that counters procreation works against God. Homosexuality is incompatible with all the Abrahamic faiths.

It is due to these archaic interpretations in modern Britain, 21st Century world in fact Christianity is growing in irrelevance in most people's lives.

But human beings don't need religion to teach it morality. Morality existed on these Isles way before Christianity.

posted on 26/10/21

Morality around persecuting homo sexuals, for example? Because at its core that practice is compatible with Christianity.
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Is this really true? Christianityis the religion of Jesus, the new testament, not the old testament.

Christians don't have to approve of homosexuality, but it is their duty as Christians to treat everyone like a brother.

Their rule of thumb in any situation should be to ask themselves "what would Jesus do?"

In Jesus' days the worst of the worst were adulterous women. They would be stoned to death as it was so despicable. But what did Jesus do when presented with an adulterous woman?

He said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. He did not mistreat her in any way.

The second worst was tax collectors but Jesus went and dined in Zacheus house and treated him like he treated anyone else and people couldn't believe it. They asked him why he would dine with a sinner and treat a sinner as he would a righteous person. He said a doctor does not come to treat the healthy. A doctor comes for the sick and injured.

Anyone that treats others badly for any reason is not following Jesus' teaching and is therefore not a true christian. They think they are God's warriors but God is not pleased with their actions at all.

Finally, Jesus also teaches that it is not for man to judge man, and to leave judgment to God. So don't judge other people in God's name.

A lot of views about christians are premised onhow self proclaimed christians act, and people shun religion because of that, but most times thats not what the actual teaching says.

Its not your job/place to judge homosexuals, you're job is to treat all your brothers and sisters as you would like to be treated.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
Morality around persecuting homo sexuals, for example? Because at its core that practice is compatible with Christianity.
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Is this really true? Christianityis the religion of Jesus, the new testament, not the old testament.

Christians don't have to approve of homosexuality, but it is their duty as Christians to treat everyone like a brother.

Their rule of thumb in any situation should be to ask themselves "what would Jesus do?"

In Jesus' days the worst of the worst were adulterous women. They would be stoned to death as it was so despicable. But what did Jesus do when presented with an adulterous woman?

He said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. He did not mistreat her in any way.

The second worst was tax collectors but Jesus went and dined in Zacheus house and treated him like he treated anyone else and people couldn't believe it. They asked him why he would dine with a sinner and treat a sinner as he would a righteous person. He said a doctor does not come to treat the healthy. A doctor comes for the sick and injured.

Anyone that treats others badly for any reason is not following Jesus' teaching and is therefore not a true christian. They think they are God's warriors but God is not pleased with their actions at all.

Finally, Jesus also teaches that it is not for man to judge man, and to leave judgment to God. So don't judge other people in God's name.

A lot of views about christians are premised onhow self proclaimed christians act, and people shun religion because of that, but most times thats not what the actual teaching says.

Its not your job/place to judge homosexuals, you're job is to treat all your brothers and sisters as you would like to be treated.
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I meant to say incompatible

posted on 26/10/21

If Jesus was presented with a homosexual, would he abuse them and persecute them?

Obviously not. So if you are a follower of Jesus then act like him.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
Morality around persecuting homo sexuals, for example? Because at its core that practice is compatible with Christianity.
----
Is this really true? Christianityis the religion of Jesus, the new testament, not the old testament.

Christians don't have to approve of homosexuality, but it is their duty as Christians to treat everyone like a brother.

Their rule of thumb in any situation should be to ask themselves "what would Jesus do?"

In Jesus' days the worst of the worst were adulterous women. They would be stoned to death as it was so despicable. But what did Jesus do when presented with an adulterous woman?

He said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. He did not mistreat her in any way.

The second worst was tax collectors but Jesus went and dined in Zacheus house and treated him like he treated anyone else and people couldn't believe it. They asked him why he would dine with a sinner and treat a sinner as he would a righteous person. He said a doctor does not come to treat the healthy. A doctor comes for the sick and injured.

Anyone that treats others badly for any reason is not following Jesus' teaching and is therefore not a true christian. They think they are God's warriors but God is not pleased with their actions at all.

Finally, Jesus also teaches that it is not for man to judge man, and to leave judgment to God. So don't judge other people in God's name.

A lot of views about christians are premised onhow self proclaimed christians act, and people shun religion because of that, but most times thats not what the actual teaching says.

Its not your job/place to judge homosexuals, you're job is to treat all your brothers and sisters as you would like to be treated.
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I meant to say incompatible
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I thought so and my reply assumed thats what you meant.

posted on 26/10/21

You are just saying things without acknowledging the argument and then making false claims.

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 54 seconds ago
The problem atheists have is in a couple of months they'll be celebrating Christmas. When asked why, they will say it brings families together. Yes, religion brings families together, and what does Atheism do that is as meaningful?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why pick on Christmas and not New Year?

They are traditional holidays so the days of the year few have an excuse. To assert that it is the religious aspect that 'brings families together' is disingenuous. Partly a pash up, partly gets wide family visit out the way in one go. A duty for most, and endurance for many. Shallow just like the retail fiesta it has become.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Halloween coming up too, from pagan religion.

I didn't mean the religious aspect brings families together, but the festival itself—and that festival is from religion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Anything that unites families is a good tradition. Even if the religious aspect is irrelevant to them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Getting philosophical here but why is the uniting of a specific sub set of people based only on biology and partnership a good thing?

posted on 26/10/21

All these homohaters who persecute will go to hell. Jesus be like "did I tell you to hate on these people? I thought I told you not to hate on anybody"

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
If Jesus was presented with a homosexual, would he abuse them and persecute them?

Obviously not. So if you are a follower of Jesus then act like him.
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All prophets are held in high esteem, in fact they are considered the arbiter of morality

The followers are considered to be the issue, trangressing from the true teachings of their prophet.

What a prophet would do or won't do, we won't know. But I guess, they would be treated on a human level. Would Jesus accept a practice that counters the teachings of God given scripture i.e. counter procreation? The Foundation of mankind?

What do you think?!

😂

posted on 26/10/21

What a prophet would do or won't do, we won't know. But I guess, they would be treated on a human level. Would Jesus accept a practice that counters the teachings of God given scripture i.e. counter procreation? The Foundation of mankind?
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Leave that to Jesus then. The instruction from Jesus to his followers is to treat all men the way you expect to be treated. He didn't add a caveat like "unless they are gay". He also says that Judgment belongs to God alone.

I've had this debate with many christians and they are always stumped by my argument.

posted on 26/10/21

I always tell them that they are doing nothing wrong as Christians by treating sinners well.

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