Seven - I am not talking about conduct or runs ins with journalists. Every manager gets involved in that, like I say Lennon doesnt offend me or bother me because thats common.
However, very few managers show such double standards when it comes to handling a result. I never saw Walter Smith run over to the Rangers fans after a win at Parkhead, unless maybe it had actually won us a trophy or something maybe although even then I dont recall it happening. I certainly never saw him run on to Parkhead and start having "banter" with the Celtic fans, and iv not seen Sir Alex do that either after any derby win. If they did it would be the first thing id look for after a defeat to see if they do the same. Especially if they said they "always" done that in an away game.
With regards interviews, I always saw guys like Walter Smith or Sir Alex appear after a game win lose or draw on camera. Even when you gubbed us 3-0 last season Smith was on camera giving his thoughts.
Again if I saw a manager shaking hands with every opposing player after a derby game id commend them and have respect for him. You lose that respect however when you only do it when you win.
lennon quite simply had no class as a player he has no class as a manager, he has no class as a person, but credit where its due he is trying, i susspect he has been told by his bosses to behave, its just not there yet it will take a long time
Just admit it Seven, your embarrassing yourself by the minute
seven
walter smith had the respect of every manager, player, chairman he had come up against. Not one had anything bad to say about the man. Can that be said of lennon? I doubt it. u need to show respect to receive it, something he doesnt do very often
how can you say o'neil had class? his antics at ibrox when he took lennon over to the celtic end was a disgrace and he then slaughters the rangers fans at a press conference in barcelona, complete rat
Other than sticking your fingers in your ears, going na na na...what point have you made seven?
Smid - Did you not see Alex Feguson telling the female post match interviewer on MOTD only two weeks ago that she was asking stupid questions? Have you never seen an assistant manager being sent out to do the post match interview? You have never seen a manager - apart from Lennon - making an issue of congratulating his own fans especially at an away venue? May I suggest that you have and that you in all probability never used it as a measure of classiness - except in Lennon's case of course.
May I also point out that when it comes to class and behaving in a socially acceptable way Rangers fans hardly have the greatest reputation. An aside argument and not one I really want to get into with you - but an important one when it comes to some feeling that they have the right to deem what is good behaviour and what is not.
Laffavic - you have no idea which manager did or didn't respect Smith, nor which manager do or don't Lennon.
Seven, bury your head further in the sand, answer the question and stop deflecting from what the OP has said, which if any fan of the OF said is certainly a very valid point, need to show some fight in defeat also.
seven
u can only be blamed for ur own behaviour, not that of others. U try to change subject to the behaviour of the idiot element of our support (which every club has, shown by ur mob the day n their chants) cause u have no real answer to the fact lennon has no class, something smith had in an abundance
end of the day, smith is hailed as one of the best to grace our game. Will this ever be said of lennon?
May I also point out that when it comes to class and behaving in a socially acceptable way Rangers fans hardly have the greatest reputation
rangers fans are not the manager of the 2nd biggest club in the country
fans are fans and managers are managers
you cant constanly bleat about fans behaviour when you cant even show face after a defeat, you can bet if he had a wee conspiracy point to make he would have been on camera tutt suite
seven
iv seen plenty of interviews with managers who speak highly of wattie. Ur right, i claim no insider knowledge, but id be willing to bet big money not a lot of managers have something good to say about lennon
Laffavic - tell me which Rangers managers had no class and which Celtic managers had as much class as any other?
I am not saying Walter smith had no class. I don't think someone outside the game, who only sees post match interviews can really make that assertion. Unless of course they have an agenda. Now answer my questions please.
there was a programme on scottish at the end of last season as a tribute to walter smith THE FOOTBALL YEARS, high praise indeed, just cant see lenny ever getting that
comparing walter and lennon in the class department is like comparing subo and cheryl cole in the sh@gability stakes
seven whats the question?
seven
questions? i must be reading this wrong as u only asked one
all of our managers have class. As for celtic managers, they all have class, apart from lennon.
as for ur agenda comment. I am not one of these people who hate lennon because of where he came from, his religion, or past. I dislike the man for the person he is, nothing else. Didnt he father a child and told the burd to get rid, then said he wanted nothing to do wae it when she kept it? classy eh?
Football fans of all clubs have embarrassed themselves at one point or another. However as manager you are expected to react differently.
As for Sir Alex, no I didnt see that but as I said earlier I have no issue with that. Strachan was always getting into arguments with the press and told one girl she would be better off doing housework or something along those lines, thats no problem to me because I expect a manager to be hurting after a defeat at least they have came out and faced the cameras. If you are going to go off into the gantry to take the plaudits and listen to them saying how much you got it tactically spot on etc and are willing to chat away in the studio great but at least do an interview when you get beat as well. You cant lap the attention up in victory and shy from it in defeat.
As for congratulating the fans, like I say great go ahead do it every week. But dont come on to the pitch after a good result, lap up the applause wind up the opponents, shake hands with every opposition player and then say you "always" do it only to disappear every time you get beat. People see through it.
Smid you have just shown Seven up for his ranting
Smid - has Lennon never done an interview after a defeat? I think he has. As for insulting interviewers - perhaps when Lennon does that then it will then move into the classless category? This notion that you keep battering on that because Lennon sometimes sends out an assistant to interview or because sometimes he applauds the fans and sometimes he doesn't determines class is ridiculous. Did Smith always do a post match interview or never? Did Ferguson never applaud his teams fans or never? Of course sometimes Smith didn't handle the post match interview and sent his assistant out to do it for whatever reason and one week Ferguson would applaud the fans and the next he wouldn't. Your argument is silly and you're reading into it what you want to be there rather than what is there.
You want Lennon to be classless? Fine perhaps he is - I don't know the guy so I cant make a realistic judgement. But judge not lest ye be judged - so when it comes to Rangers fans - a fanbase with one of the worst reputations in the UK if not Europe - then spouting on about classiness only opens you up to the legitimate question - who the hell are you to judge?
Laffavic - i'm always worth the wait
ally didnt do post match interviews for walter
kenny mcdowell didnt do the falkirk interview ally did it
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posted on 2/10/11
Seven - I am not talking about conduct or runs ins with journalists. Every manager gets involved in that, like I say Lennon doesnt offend me or bother me because thats common.
However, very few managers show such double standards when it comes to handling a result. I never saw Walter Smith run over to the Rangers fans after a win at Parkhead, unless maybe it had actually won us a trophy or something maybe although even then I dont recall it happening. I certainly never saw him run on to Parkhead and start having "banter" with the Celtic fans, and iv not seen Sir Alex do that either after any derby win. If they did it would be the first thing id look for after a defeat to see if they do the same. Especially if they said they "always" done that in an away game.
With regards interviews, I always saw guys like Walter Smith or Sir Alex appear after a game win lose or draw on camera. Even when you gubbed us 3-0 last season Smith was on camera giving his thoughts.
Again if I saw a manager shaking hands with every opposing player after a derby game id commend them and have respect for him. You lose that respect however when you only do it when you win.
posted on 2/10/11
lennon quite simply had no class as a player he has no class as a manager, he has no class as a person, but credit where its due he is trying, i susspect he has been told by his bosses to behave, its just not there yet it will take a long time
posted on 2/10/11
Just admit it Seven, your embarrassing yourself by the minute
posted on 2/10/11
seven
walter smith had the respect of every manager, player, chairman he had come up against. Not one had anything bad to say about the man. Can that be said of lennon? I doubt it. u need to show respect to receive it, something he doesnt do very often
posted on 2/10/11
how can you say o'neil had class? his antics at ibrox when he took lennon over to the celtic end was a disgrace and he then slaughters the rangers fans at a press conference in barcelona, complete rat
posted on 2/10/11
Other than sticking your fingers in your ears, going na na na...what point have you made seven?
posted on 2/10/11
Smid - Did you not see Alex Feguson telling the female post match interviewer on MOTD only two weeks ago that she was asking stupid questions? Have you never seen an assistant manager being sent out to do the post match interview? You have never seen a manager - apart from Lennon - making an issue of congratulating his own fans especially at an away venue? May I suggest that you have and that you in all probability never used it as a measure of classiness - except in Lennon's case of course.
May I also point out that when it comes to class and behaving in a socially acceptable way Rangers fans hardly have the greatest reputation. An aside argument and not one I really want to get into with you - but an important one when it comes to some feeling that they have the right to deem what is good behaviour and what is not.
posted on 2/10/11
Laffavic - you have no idea which manager did or didn't respect Smith, nor which manager do or don't Lennon.
posted on 2/10/11
Seven, bury your head further in the sand, answer the question and stop deflecting from what the OP has said, which if any fan of the OF said is certainly a very valid point, need to show some fight in defeat also.
posted on 2/10/11
seven
u can only be blamed for ur own behaviour, not that of others. U try to change subject to the behaviour of the idiot element of our support (which every club has, shown by ur mob the day n their chants) cause u have no real answer to the fact lennon has no class, something smith had in an abundance
end of the day, smith is hailed as one of the best to grace our game. Will this ever be said of lennon?
posted on 2/10/11
May I also point out that when it comes to class and behaving in a socially acceptable way Rangers fans hardly have the greatest reputation
rangers fans are not the manager of the 2nd biggest club in the country
fans are fans and managers are managers
you cant constanly bleat about fans behaviour when you cant even show face after a defeat, you can bet if he had a wee conspiracy point to make he would have been on camera tutt suite
posted on 2/10/11
seven
iv seen plenty of interviews with managers who speak highly of wattie. Ur right, i claim no insider knowledge, but id be willing to bet big money not a lot of managers have something good to say about lennon
posted on 2/10/11
Laffavic - tell me which Rangers managers had no class and which Celtic managers had as much class as any other?
I am not saying Walter smith had no class. I don't think someone outside the game, who only sees post match interviews can really make that assertion. Unless of course they have an agenda. Now answer my questions please.
posted on 2/10/11
there was a programme on scottish at the end of last season as a tribute to walter smith THE FOOTBALL YEARS, high praise indeed, just cant see lenny ever getting that
posted on 2/10/11
comparing walter and lennon in the class department is like comparing subo and cheryl cole in the sh@gability stakes
posted on 2/10/11
Laffavic - im waiting
posted on 2/10/11
seven whats the question?
posted on 2/10/11
seven
questions? i must be reading this wrong as u only asked one
all of our managers have class. As for celtic managers, they all have class, apart from lennon.
as for ur agenda comment. I am not one of these people who hate lennon because of where he came from, his religion, or past. I dislike the man for the person he is, nothing else. Didnt he father a child and told the burd to get rid, then said he wanted nothing to do wae it when she kept it? classy eh?
posted on 2/10/11
Football fans of all clubs have embarrassed themselves at one point or another. However as manager you are expected to react differently.
As for Sir Alex, no I didnt see that but as I said earlier I have no issue with that. Strachan was always getting into arguments with the press and told one girl she would be better off doing housework or something along those lines, thats no problem to me because I expect a manager to be hurting after a defeat at least they have came out and faced the cameras. If you are going to go off into the gantry to take the plaudits and listen to them saying how much you got it tactically spot on etc and are willing to chat away in the studio great but at least do an interview when you get beat as well. You cant lap the attention up in victory and shy from it in defeat.
As for congratulating the fans, like I say great go ahead do it every week. But dont come on to the pitch after a good result, lap up the applause wind up the opponents, shake hands with every opposition player and then say you "always" do it only to disappear every time you get beat. People see through it.
posted on 2/10/11
smid
posted on 2/10/11
Smid you have just shown Seven up for his ranting
posted on 2/10/11
seven - we're waiting
posted on 2/10/11
Smid - has Lennon never done an interview after a defeat? I think he has. As for insulting interviewers - perhaps when Lennon does that then it will then move into the classless category? This notion that you keep battering on that because Lennon sometimes sends out an assistant to interview or because sometimes he applauds the fans and sometimes he doesn't determines class is ridiculous. Did Smith always do a post match interview or never? Did Ferguson never applaud his teams fans or never? Of course sometimes Smith didn't handle the post match interview and sent his assistant out to do it for whatever reason and one week Ferguson would applaud the fans and the next he wouldn't. Your argument is silly and you're reading into it what you want to be there rather than what is there.
You want Lennon to be classless? Fine perhaps he is - I don't know the guy so I cant make a realistic judgement. But judge not lest ye be judged - so when it comes to Rangers fans - a fanbase with one of the worst reputations in the UK if not Europe - then spouting on about classiness only opens you up to the legitimate question - who the hell are you to judge?
posted on 2/10/11
Laffavic - i'm always worth the wait
posted on 2/10/11
ally didnt do post match interviews for walter
kenny mcdowell didnt do the falkirk interview ally did it
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