comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 29 minutes ago
I’m not saying Bruno isn’t a good player either ….think he is very very good
But if theoretically you played pogba off cavani with Bruno behind in centre midfield you would see assists and goals go right up for pogba
He doesn’t have the legs Bruno has to get up and down and still create / score goals
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They're very different players and neither of them are suited to the complete responsibilities of classic central midfielders. Bruno is really an attacking player, a number 10 who can just about be a number 8 in a three-man midfield. Pogba's ability to pass through the lines means he ought to be played deeper - ideally on the left of a three-man midfield. If the other two midfielders are more offensively minded, that's a good balance. I'm not sure Bruno & Pogba together with a deeper midfielder gives us the level of control we need though - particularly when we don't have an elite DM in the squad. Both of them are players who look for the killer pass and I think you need a bit more patience in a team.
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Someone like Donny?
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 4 minutes ago
Cant see anyone in the Prem that could afford him who would qant him.
Itl be 1 of Barca, Real or PSG.
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Yeh, I think that's most likely.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Montage (U2958)
posted 42 seconds ago
There's as much or as little "circus" as you want to find though. DDG's move was leaked and tempted out over months too.
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yes, ddg also got benched by van gaal because of the old "his head isn't right" excuse. and remember when one popular theory was that ddg was playing poorly because of his contract situation, but that as soon as that was sorted he'd be back to his best (when in fact he became even worse, and spent 2 seasons throwing the ball into the net)? oddly i haven't heard the "distracted by contract" excuse for pogba, christ the guy contracted covid and people didn't want to make an allowance for that.
and you're right, personally i don't care what his agent says - and kung fu did a devastating analysis of raiola's fickleness that should be pinned to our board as a constant reminder - nor about newspaper gossip, so i don't see any circus at all (and a lot less than, for instance, cavani's commitment to the club/uruguay over the last 18 months).
Yeah I don't see him at another prem team. Too lazy for either City or Liverpool. We wouldn't pay the wages for him either nor would any club bar Chelsea, again I don't see him there personally. Either Real or PSG, probably the latter.
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yeah I don't see him at another prem team. Too lazy for either City or Liverpool. We wouldn't pay the wages for him either nor would any club bar Chelsea, again I don't see him there personally. Either Real or PSG, probably the latter.
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Yeh, if I was having a bet now, I'd go PSG. I think that is speaks volumes that despite his obvious desire to move to Real, they were never prepared to stump up the cash.
I wonder if some clubs are put off by Pogba's injury record? Might we be doing the same come to think of it? He'll want a big contract and it could well be we're not willing to pay if he's going to miss a third of our matches.
People calling pogba lazy. Have you seen the team play the last few seasons?
Even now under Ralf they are knackered after half an hour.
Worse decision Pogba made was coming back. Guy would probably have added to his previous medal haul.
comment by Miyagi doh 😣 (U19849)
posted 51 seconds ago
People calling pogba lazy.
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it's a silly meme that seems to have stuck, despite clear evidence to the contrary - i have seen stats this season that show that he presses more than anyone in the team bar fred. i have previously seen stats that show that he runs more than mctominay.
people should feel free to go and watch the replay of southampton's goal and see which of pogba and mctominay looks lazy, and which of them affects the play (and the less said about where fernandes is, the better).
One thing in common with kieta is they really don't play enough. Both good players but don't seem to get a long enough run of games. What was pogbas injury record like before utd?
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Miyagi doh 😣 (U19849)
posted 51 seconds ago
People calling pogba lazy.
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it's a silly meme that seems to have stuck, despite clear evidence to the contrary - i have seen stats this season that show that he presses more than anyone in the team bar fred. i have previously seen stats that show that he runs more than mctominay.
people should feel free to go and watch the replay of southampton's goal and see which of pogba and mctominay looks lazy, and which of them affects the play (and the less said about where fernandes is, the better).
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I have always felt that Pogba's pressing is usually more of a token gesture than there being any real pressure on the opponent. Not always. But often he kind of gets in the right area without actually putting pressure on the opponent. And there are plenty of examples of him letting players run past him without tracking.
However, as I said earlier in the thread. His defensive shortcomings were evident early in his return to United. We should have used him differently and removed the need for him to defend /defend as much.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Montage (U2958)
posted 29 seconds ago
I'm guessing "Rude Van Nist" is a return visitor?
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Getting Stretty vibes.
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Ask him how old the earth is according to him
Would be funny as fck if he ended up getting paid a lot less than he's on now. Barca are skint, RM tend not to sign players his age and who exactly would PSG be competing with?
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
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I have always felt that Pogba's pressing is usually more of a token gesture than there being any real pressure on the opponent. Not always. But often he kind of gets in the right area without actually putting pressure on the opponent.
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hmm, but equally there is also the fact that when he does do effective work it is generally ignored or overlooked, and equally when he has a brainfart people will go on about it for years.
against middlesbrough him winning the ball back led to our goal (as it did vs wolves), but barely anyone noticed it, and no one gave him credit; when mctominay does the same vs brighton everyone showers him with praise.
and i think pogba got more stick for being tackled vs liverpool on the halfway line than fernandes did for his wild swipe vs watford that led to their penalty. one of those wasn't an error, and made no difference to the match, the other was utterly brainless and led to a penalty in a game that was 0-0 at the time.
in fact, according to fbref, fernandes has 3 times as many errors leading to a goal as pogba, despite playing much further up the pitch, but you'd never know that would you?
Real madrid would sign him if they wernt signing mbappe, they cant afford both.
Barca might be able to afford him post bank loan.
He would do better in la liga.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
Would be funny as fck if he ended up getting paid a lot less than he's on now. Barca are skint, RM tend not to sign players his age and who exactly would PSG be competing with?
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He’d go to Al Ali or Hilal or China to make the money!
He will end up at PSG but would be funny to see him sign for Newcastle.
Them or Chelsea are the only serious candidates in the Prem but this is just the agent driving up his wages.
The Pog Bar requires far too much time in receiving the ball which sometimes requires a drag back and turn before he gets the ball at his feet facing forwards to be a DM in the Premier League. He would make a good attacking No8/10 for somebody but at United we have Bruno and also require a McFred pivot most of the time. Hes not going to stay at united anyway this summer.
Chelsea could be a possibility but can’t see him going elsewhere in England.
I still feel he will stay and get silly money.
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
Would be funny as fck if he ended up getting paid a lot less than he's on now. Barca are skint, RM tend not to sign players his age and who exactly would PSG be competing with?
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He’d go to Al Ali or Hilal or China to make the money!
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That would be just as funny - early retirement!
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 2 minutes ago
Chelsea could be a possibility but can’t see him going elsewhere in England.
I still feel he will stay and get silly money.
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Of course. On brand.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 8 minutes ago
Would be funny as fck if he ended up getting paid a lot less than he's on now. Barca are skint, RM tend not to sign players his age and who exactly would PSG be competing with?
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Personally I don't think it's ever been just about the money for Pogba.
When he was a kid even SAF was reported to have said this kid will go far if he is loved. As in needs an arm around his shoulder.
Can't see it personally.
Newcastle have the money but are simply beneath him as a club right now. We won't pay the wages necessary even if he did fit the Klopp brand of football (which I have my doubts about), City simply don't need him with all the creative attacking midfielders they have so why pay massive wages for an unnecessary player. Chelsea I could see in theory but Tuchel (thus far) seems to like his midfielders to be defensive/all-rounders rather than just attacking so it would perhaps mean a style adjustment for them.
I still think PSG is the more logical fit. They'll lose one Parisian this summer when Mbappe leaves for RM, makes perfect sense to replace him with another.
Solskjaer was probably the most arm round the shoulder manager in the present game and he couldnt get a song out of him.
Think Pogba signing for Newcastle is similar to when City went for Kaka.
comment by RB&W - What is it now, Ralf? (U21434)
posted 5 minutes ago
The Pog Bar requires far too much time in receiving the ball which sometimes requires a drag back and turn before he gets the ball at his feet facing forwards to be a DM in the Premier League. He would make a good attacking No8/10 for somebody but at United we have Bruno and also require a McFred pivot most of the time. Hes not going to stay at united anyway this summer.
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How much of that is our team though?
Nearly every analysis on likes of MOTD shows our players getting the ball, moving forward, looking up, nobody moving and turning and passing it sideways or backwards.
The one thing Ralf's short tenure should have taught us is how rubbish our movement is.
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posted on 17/2/22
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 29 minutes ago
I’m not saying Bruno isn’t a good player either ….think he is very very good
But if theoretically you played pogba off cavani with Bruno behind in centre midfield you would see assists and goals go right up for pogba
He doesn’t have the legs Bruno has to get up and down and still create / score goals
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They're very different players and neither of them are suited to the complete responsibilities of classic central midfielders. Bruno is really an attacking player, a number 10 who can just about be a number 8 in a three-man midfield. Pogba's ability to pass through the lines means he ought to be played deeper - ideally on the left of a three-man midfield. If the other two midfielders are more offensively minded, that's a good balance. I'm not sure Bruno & Pogba together with a deeper midfielder gives us the level of control we need though - particularly when we don't have an elite DM in the squad. Both of them are players who look for the killer pass and I think you need a bit more patience in a team.
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Someone like Donny?
posted on 17/2/22
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 4 minutes ago
Cant see anyone in the Prem that could afford him who would qant him.
Itl be 1 of Barca, Real or PSG.
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Yeh, I think that's most likely.
posted on 17/2/22
comment by Ji Sung Park's Montage (U2958)
posted 42 seconds ago
There's as much or as little "circus" as you want to find though. DDG's move was leaked and tempted out over months too.
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yes, ddg also got benched by van gaal because of the old "his head isn't right" excuse. and remember when one popular theory was that ddg was playing poorly because of his contract situation, but that as soon as that was sorted he'd be back to his best (when in fact he became even worse, and spent 2 seasons throwing the ball into the net)? oddly i haven't heard the "distracted by contract" excuse for pogba, christ the guy contracted covid and people didn't want to make an allowance for that.
and you're right, personally i don't care what his agent says - and kung fu did a devastating analysis of raiola's fickleness that should be pinned to our board as a constant reminder - nor about newspaper gossip, so i don't see any circus at all (and a lot less than, for instance, cavani's commitment to the club/uruguay over the last 18 months).
posted on 17/2/22
Yeah I don't see him at another prem team. Too lazy for either City or Liverpool. We wouldn't pay the wages for him either nor would any club bar Chelsea, again I don't see him there personally. Either Real or PSG, probably the latter.
posted on 17/2/22
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yeah I don't see him at another prem team. Too lazy for either City or Liverpool. We wouldn't pay the wages for him either nor would any club bar Chelsea, again I don't see him there personally. Either Real or PSG, probably the latter.
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Yeh, if I was having a bet now, I'd go PSG. I think that is speaks volumes that despite his obvious desire to move to Real, they were never prepared to stump up the cash.
posted on 17/2/22
I wonder if some clubs are put off by Pogba's injury record? Might we be doing the same come to think of it? He'll want a big contract and it could well be we're not willing to pay if he's going to miss a third of our matches.
posted on 17/2/22
People calling pogba lazy. Have you seen the team play the last few seasons?
Even now under Ralf they are knackered after half an hour.
Worse decision Pogba made was coming back. Guy would probably have added to his previous medal haul.
posted on 17/2/22
comment by Miyagi doh 😣 (U19849)
posted 51 seconds ago
People calling pogba lazy.
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it's a silly meme that seems to have stuck, despite clear evidence to the contrary - i have seen stats this season that show that he presses more than anyone in the team bar fred. i have previously seen stats that show that he runs more than mctominay.
people should feel free to go and watch the replay of southampton's goal and see which of pogba and mctominay looks lazy, and which of them affects the play (and the less said about where fernandes is, the better).
posted on 17/2/22
One thing in common with kieta is they really don't play enough. Both good players but don't seem to get a long enough run of games. What was pogbas injury record like before utd?
posted on 17/2/22
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Miyagi doh 😣 (U19849)
posted 51 seconds ago
People calling pogba lazy.
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it's a silly meme that seems to have stuck, despite clear evidence to the contrary - i have seen stats this season that show that he presses more than anyone in the team bar fred. i have previously seen stats that show that he runs more than mctominay.
people should feel free to go and watch the replay of southampton's goal and see which of pogba and mctominay looks lazy, and which of them affects the play (and the less said about where fernandes is, the better).
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I have always felt that Pogba's pressing is usually more of a token gesture than there being any real pressure on the opponent. Not always. But often he kind of gets in the right area without actually putting pressure on the opponent. And there are plenty of examples of him letting players run past him without tracking.
However, as I said earlier in the thread. His defensive shortcomings were evident early in his return to United. We should have used him differently and removed the need for him to defend /defend as much.
posted on 17/2/22
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Montage (U2958)
posted 29 seconds ago
I'm guessing "Rude Van Nist" is a return visitor?
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Getting Stretty vibes.
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Ask him how old the earth is according to him
posted on 17/2/22
Would be funny as fck if he ended up getting paid a lot less than he's on now. Barca are skint, RM tend not to sign players his age and who exactly would PSG be competing with?
posted on 17/2/22
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
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I have always felt that Pogba's pressing is usually more of a token gesture than there being any real pressure on the opponent. Not always. But often he kind of gets in the right area without actually putting pressure on the opponent.
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hmm, but equally there is also the fact that when he does do effective work it is generally ignored or overlooked, and equally when he has a brainfart people will go on about it for years.
against middlesbrough him winning the ball back led to our goal (as it did vs wolves), but barely anyone noticed it, and no one gave him credit; when mctominay does the same vs brighton everyone showers him with praise.
and i think pogba got more stick for being tackled vs liverpool on the halfway line than fernandes did for his wild swipe vs watford that led to their penalty. one of those wasn't an error, and made no difference to the match, the other was utterly brainless and led to a penalty in a game that was 0-0 at the time.
in fact, according to fbref, fernandes has 3 times as many errors leading to a goal as pogba, despite playing much further up the pitch, but you'd never know that would you?
posted on 17/2/22
Real madrid would sign him if they wernt signing mbappe, they cant afford both.
Barca might be able to afford him post bank loan.
He would do better in la liga.
posted on 17/2/22
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
Would be funny as fck if he ended up getting paid a lot less than he's on now. Barca are skint, RM tend not to sign players his age and who exactly would PSG be competing with?
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He’d go to Al Ali or Hilal or China to make the money!
posted on 17/2/22
He will end up at PSG but would be funny to see him sign for Newcastle.
Them or Chelsea are the only serious candidates in the Prem but this is just the agent driving up his wages.
posted on 17/2/22
The Pog Bar requires far too much time in receiving the ball which sometimes requires a drag back and turn before he gets the ball at his feet facing forwards to be a DM in the Premier League. He would make a good attacking No8/10 for somebody but at United we have Bruno and also require a McFred pivot most of the time. Hes not going to stay at united anyway this summer.
posted on 17/2/22
Chelsea could be a possibility but can’t see him going elsewhere in England.
I still feel he will stay and get silly money.
posted on 17/2/22
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
Would be funny as fck if he ended up getting paid a lot less than he's on now. Barca are skint, RM tend not to sign players his age and who exactly would PSG be competing with?
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He’d go to Al Ali or Hilal or China to make the money!
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That would be just as funny - early retirement!
posted on 17/2/22
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 2 minutes ago
Chelsea could be a possibility but can’t see him going elsewhere in England.
I still feel he will stay and get silly money.
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Of course. On brand.
posted on 17/2/22
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 8 minutes ago
Would be funny as fck if he ended up getting paid a lot less than he's on now. Barca are skint, RM tend not to sign players his age and who exactly would PSG be competing with?
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Personally I don't think it's ever been just about the money for Pogba.
When he was a kid even SAF was reported to have said this kid will go far if he is loved. As in needs an arm around his shoulder.
posted on 17/2/22
Can't see it personally.
Newcastle have the money but are simply beneath him as a club right now. We won't pay the wages necessary even if he did fit the Klopp brand of football (which I have my doubts about), City simply don't need him with all the creative attacking midfielders they have so why pay massive wages for an unnecessary player. Chelsea I could see in theory but Tuchel (thus far) seems to like his midfielders to be defensive/all-rounders rather than just attacking so it would perhaps mean a style adjustment for them.
I still think PSG is the more logical fit. They'll lose one Parisian this summer when Mbappe leaves for RM, makes perfect sense to replace him with another.
posted on 17/2/22
Solskjaer was probably the most arm round the shoulder manager in the present game and he couldnt get a song out of him.
posted on 17/2/22
Think Pogba signing for Newcastle is similar to when City went for Kaka.
posted on 17/2/22
comment by RB&W - What is it now, Ralf? (U21434)
posted 5 minutes ago
The Pog Bar requires far too much time in receiving the ball which sometimes requires a drag back and turn before he gets the ball at his feet facing forwards to be a DM in the Premier League. He would make a good attacking No8/10 for somebody but at United we have Bruno and also require a McFred pivot most of the time. Hes not going to stay at united anyway this summer.
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How much of that is our team though?
Nearly every analysis on likes of MOTD shows our players getting the ball, moving forward, looking up, nobody moving and turning and passing it sideways or backwards.
The one thing Ralf's short tenure should have taught us is how rubbish our movement is.
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