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Raul Jimenez on Meslier

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posted on 19/3/22

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posted on 19/3/22

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 22 minutes ago
Its almost like he's had a serious injury recently and understands that health comes before a result....
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Not sure that sarcastic response was needed mate…:

Not often you will see a sent off player return to the scene of the crime to check the other player is okay

They are usually busy stropping

I will add I’ve not seen it 😂 just going on the description of the events

posted on 19/3/22

Jimenez is one of the PL's worst for cheating, going down soft, playing injured. Hate him.

posted on 19/3/22

It was reckless when on a yellow. Had he got the ball, Meslier would have probably gone. His foot was high for his first yellow so he deserved to walk imo. Wtf were VAR doing with the Moutinho one? Its like they were afraid of sending them down to 9

posted on 19/3/22

Agree that it seemed a genuine gesture from Jimenez.

As for the second yellow being justified or not, the question I ask myself is "would Meslier have got a card if Jimenez had got the ball first?"

I think the answer is "yes" and it would probably have been a straight red for denying a scoring opportunity.

I think a yellow was justified for Jimenez.

posted on 19/3/22

It was a yellow, he took mealier out and injured him.

Jimenez, like the rest of his team are dirty cheats.

posted on 19/3/22

Look harsh to me, was a 50/50

posted on 20/3/22

Impressed me too.

However, it was a deserved second yellow. Too forceful.

It is fair to say that Wolves should have been down to 9 men.
It’s actually unusual to see such forceful tackling in Latin American football.

posted on 20/3/22

comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 11 hours, 35 minutes ago
Look harsh to me, was a 50/50
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Nah, not as he was on a yellow already.

posted on 20/3/22

Strange that he went full in for that challenge knowing that a yellow card would get him sent off. They were cruising it at 2-0. That just seems stupid to me. Most strikers in that situation would back off.

posted on 20/3/22

comment by Silverback (U22763)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 11 hours, 35 minutes ago
Look harsh to me, was a 50/50
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Nah, not as he was on a yellow already.
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Reckless and stupid. Should have been a straight red if he wasn't on a yellow.

comment by Sol (U2745)

posted on 20/3/22

He was well worthy of 2 yellows over the course of 50 minutes. If referees hadn't inexplicably stopped giving out cards for diving he'd have been off a lot sooner.

The fact he's diving to get other player's booked means I'd have even less sympathy if I thought it was the wrong decision.

Not impressed with him in the slightest.

posted on 20/3/22

I'm not a Wolves fan and, if anything, prefer Leeds, but I thought it was a bit harsh. Both players were totally committed to getting the ball and I don't think you could apportion more blame for the clash to either one. It actually looked like Jimenez was 100% focussed on the ball and never actually realised they were going to clatter each other.

That said though, I do see 47years' point about the consequences for Meslier if he'd have been second to the ball. You obviously can't apply reciprocity for the 'goalscoring opportunity' rule, but I do think a ref would've at least produced a yellow for the 'keeper. From that perspective, maybe it was the right decision.

Moutinho's was definitely far worse though, and I agree that perhaps the VAR official was reluctant to reduce one side to 9 men when the Jimenez incident was so tight.

Having said all of the above, football produces loads of no-win situations for the refs. You only need consider how often even neutral fans are unable to agree over certain decisions. If we can all see it a specific passage of play differently with the same set of rules in hand, then surely it's a pipe dream to think that one day there will be no differences of opinion between refs.

posted on 20/3/22

Not a yellow for me. I’d be mad if that was given against us. However, if Meslier gets there a split second later, that’s a straight red.

posted on 20/3/22

Wonderful comeback though. Going only on the highlights that is. Loved the energy and passion the players showed, especially Ayling and Rodrigo. Their celebrations would've been fitting of a World Cup final. And from the Leeds TV commentary team. Brilliant stuff!

posted on 20/3/22

Regarding the possibility of a red card for Meslier if he is later to the ball, one has to look at the 4 “Ds,” :
1) were there any other Defenders between the attacker and the goal?
2) what was the Distance to the goal?
3) what was the Distance to the ball?
4) Direction - how close were they to the goal, which Direction was the attacking heading in?

I don’t think the situation meets those criteria and thus a red card for DOGSO would have been unlikely.

For what it’s worth, I thought the collision was just two players challenging at high speed for a ball, no foul but perhaps the yellow card was for poor judgment by Jimenez? 🤔

posted on 20/3/22

Jimenez was lucky to get yellow not red for his first tackle. Studs to the knee !

posted on 20/3/22

Am I right in thinking because it was a yellow, no VAR?

posted on 20/3/22

comment by steross17 (U6898)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Am I right in thinking because it was a yellow, no VAR?
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Yes

posted on 20/3/22

VAR will look at a yellow to see if it needs to be upgraded to a red but not for any other reason.



posted on 21/3/22

comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 8 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by steross17 (U6898)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Am I right in thinking because it was a yellow, no VAR?
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Yes
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Cheers Mont!

posted on 23/3/22

comment by steross17 (U6898)
posted 3 days, 5 hours ago
Am I right in thinking because it was a yellow, no VAR?
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That is current protocol, but seems to make sense that if a YC is a second YC, and thus a RC, it should be subject to VAR review.

I am happy that it wasn't reviewed in this case though.

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