comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 22 minutes ago
Other clubs aren’t mugs either. They’ll see the perilous financial position rangers are in
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Aye a clear out is sorely needed.
Starting with the management and coaching staff.
Outwith that though, none of the players whose contracts are up in June should be offered new deals. Outwith Goldson, whose off to West Brom or something, they’re all done at any real level.
The players that are out of contract next year, we should be looking to move on as well. Aribo has chucked it and Kents goal return this year has been no where near good enough.
Reinvest what we can and hope for the best that a new management team can form them into something resembling a football team.
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 19 seconds ago
Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 2 minutes ago
Aye a clear out is sorely needed.
Starting with the management and coaching staff.
Outwith that though, none of the players whose contracts are up in June should be offered new deals. Outwith Goldson, whose off to West Brom or something, they’re all done at any real level.
The players that are out of contract next year, we should be looking to move on as well. Aribo has chucked it and Kents goal return this year has been no where near good enough.
Reinvest what we can and hope for the best that a new management team can form them into something resembling a football team.
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You really remind me of Marvin the Paranoid Android
High level, the way I see it, the Glasgow giants run with squads of 30-35 players. Average contract length is <3 years though that is skewed by young players on max 2 years contracts in Scotland and a some elders going year by year so call it 3. So, every year you expect replacing or renewing at least a third of your squad - almost a continuous process 10 to 12. So, the numbers in the OP are not so wild?
comment by Kyo-Joe Furusmashi (U15888)
posted 54 minutes ago
Realistically how much would a fire sale bring in
McGregor - £0
Tavernier - £4/5m
Bassey - £2/3m
Helander - £1/2m
Goldson - £0
Balogun - £0
Barisic - £2m
Hagi - £6m?
Jack - £1m
Davis - £0
Ramsay - £0
Aribo - £5/6m
Kamara - £2/3m
Wright - £500k
Arfield - £0
Diallo - £0
Itten - £500k?
Kent - £8m
Morelos - £12m
Roofe - £1m
Sakala - £1m
£46m for the whole squad..
Not great..
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Joe-conomics?
I dont see the point in just saying Gio out...
We have already seen across the city the difference in a team when manager i working with players not signed for his system compared to those who are signed for that system or are used to that system.
Gio's teams setup and plays differently to Gerrards so I dont think its entirely fair to judge how his style fairs with Gerrards team.
There is a lot of similarities to this season as Gerrads 2nd season, started well, had a poor return from winter break .... lost league, did well in europe ... the next year then undefeated the season in the league.
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 2 minutes ago
Aye a clear out is sorely needed.
Starting with the management and coaching staff.
Outwith that though, none of the players whose contracts are up in June should be offered new deals. Outwith Goldson, whose off to West Brom or something, they’re all done at any real level.
The players that are out of contract next year, we should be looking to move on as well. Aribo has chucked it and Kents goal return this year has been no where near good enough.
Reinvest what we can and hope for the best that a new management team can form them into something resembling a football team.
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You really remind me of Marvin the Paranoid Android
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he prob moaned we didnt beat Dortmund in the 2nd leg
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 2 minutes ago
Aye a clear out is sorely needed.
Starting with the management and coaching staff.
Outwith that though, none of the players whose contracts are up in June should be offered new deals. Outwith Goldson, whose off to West Brom or something, they’re all done at any real level.
The players that are out of contract next year, we should be looking to move on as well. Aribo has chucked it and Kents goal return this year has been no where near good enough.
Reinvest what we can and hope for the best that a new management team can form them into something resembling a football team.
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You really remind me of Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Aye I’m just a miserable cant 99.9% of the time tbh.
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 2 minutes ago
Aye a clear out is sorely needed.
Starting with the management and coaching staff.
Outwith that though, none of the players whose contracts are up in June should be offered new deals. Outwith Goldson, whose off to West Brom or something, they’re all done at any real level.
The players that are out of contract next year, we should be looking to move on as well. Aribo has chucked it and Kents goal return this year has been no where near good enough.
Reinvest what we can and hope for the best that a new management team can form them into something resembling a football team.
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You really remind me of Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Aye I’m just a miserable cant 99.9% of the time tbh.
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fair play lad
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
I dont see the point in just saying Gio out...
We have already seen across the city the difference in a team when manager i working with players not signed for his system compared to those who are signed for that system or are used to that system.
Gio's teams setup and plays differently to Gerrards so I dont think its entirely fair to judge how his style fairs with Gerrards team.
There is a lot of similarities to this season as Gerrads 2nd season, started well, had a poor return from winter break .... lost league, did well in europe ... the next year then undefeated the season in the league.
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Agree with this.
What Silver makes sense, difference is there’s so many for us this year as the players as good as lost their interest last summer.
Not convinced by Gio, and if he continues to mess up in next couple months then I could change my mind. But makes no sense at all right now to sack him. He’s made good tactical changes in Europe and got more out of likes of Morelos and Lundstram than Gerrard did.
His tactics last couple old firms have been pash poor though. That and player mistakes (McGregor) is what’s cost us the league.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 2 minutes ago
Aye a clear out is sorely needed.
Starting with the management and coaching staff.
Outwith that though, none of the players whose contracts are up in June should be offered new deals. Outwith Goldson, whose off to West Brom or something, they’re all done at any real level.
The players that are out of contract next year, we should be looking to move on as well. Aribo has chucked it and Kents goal return this year has been no where near good enough.
Reinvest what we can and hope for the best that a new management team can form them into something resembling a football team.
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You really remind me of Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Aye I’m just a miserable cant 99.9% of the time tbh.
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fair play lad
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Aye
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 minutes ago
I dont see the point in just saying Gio out...
We have already seen across the city the difference in a team when manager i working with players not signed for his system compared to those who are signed for that system or are used to that system.
Gio's teams setup and plays differently to Gerrards so I dont think its entirely fair to judge how his style fairs with Gerrards team.
There is a lot of similarities to this season as Gerrads 2nd season, started well, had a poor return from winter break .... lost league, did well in europe ... the next year then undefeated the season in the league.
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Difference is though fans are back in the stadium. Would gerrard have won a league in front of fans? Highly doubtful
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 minutes ago
I dont see the point in just saying Gio out...
We have already seen across the city the difference in a team when manager i working with players not signed for his system compared to those who are signed for that system or are used to that system.
Gio's teams setup and plays differently to Gerrards so I dont think its entirely fair to judge how his style fairs with Gerrards team.
There is a lot of similarities to this season as Gerrads 2nd season, started well, had a poor return from winter break .... lost league, did well in europe ... the next year then undefeated the season in the league.
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Difference is though fans are back in the stadium. Would gerrard have won a league in front of fans? Highly doubtful
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hilarious..... not the comment thtas been posted about 60 times today.
hilarious that you actually prob do believe this
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 19 seconds ago
Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-kent/verletzungen/spieler/279457
Morelos has been struggling for a while with his thigh no?
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 19 seconds ago
Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-kent/verletzungen/spieler/279457
Morelos has been struggling for a while with his thigh no?
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so 2 years between injuries for Kent and Morelos strained his thigh it seems a cpl weeks ago and didnt revocer from it.... other than that he hasnt been injured at all other than this current one.
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
Well were you not top of the league and odds on to be getting into the champs league when Patterson was sold? Context matters. The outlook now compared to when you sold Patterson has changed.
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Players are only worth as much as the buyer is willing to pay. If someone really wants someone what you’re saying isn’t going to impact what that buyer can afford.
In any case if we already got a few mil for Gerrard and 12 for Patterson that should hopefully cover this years losses. So hardly desperate to sell, our need to sell is driven by contracts expiring. Otherwise we’d probably only need to sell one of Morelos/Kent.
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I think you’ve an implicit assumption about the structure of Patterson deal; was it all or substantially cash up front?
Players are of course only worth what people are willing to pay, but the wider context of the situation a club is in and their “need” to sell is also going to drive what clubs are willing to pay.
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
Well were you not top of the league and odds on to be getting into the champs league when Patterson was sold? Context matters. The outlook now compared to when you sold Patterson has changed.
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Players are only worth as much as the buyer is willing to pay. If someone really wants someone what you’re saying isn’t going to impact what that buyer can afford.
In any case if we already got a few mil for Gerrard and 12 for Patterson that should hopefully cover this years losses. So hardly desperate to sell, our need to sell is driven by contracts expiring. Otherwise we’d probably only need to sell one of Morelos/Kent.
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I think you’ve an implicit assumption about the structure of Patterson deal; was it all or substantially cash up front?
Players are of course only worth what people are willing to pay, but the wider context of the situation a club is in and their “need” to sell is also going to drive what clubs are willing to pay.
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its almost unheard of now especially in higher priced deals that the monies are paid up front. Pretty much all deals are structured now.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 19 seconds ago
Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-kent/verletzungen/spieler/279457
Morelos has been struggling for a while with his thigh no?
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so 2 years between injuries for Kent and Morelos strained his thigh it seems a cpl weeks ago and didnt revocer from it.... other than that he hasnt been injured at all other than this current one.
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Injury in the same area of the body in 3 of the 4 seasons Kent, has been playing for rangers, missing on average 10 games each time. That would be causing some concern for clubs in the lower prem/high championship where it is assumed Kent could go, given how much every game matters for those clubs.
Thigh injuries can be a real pain to get rid off, often need proper lifestyle change to do so.
GvB has until the end of the season to prove he's worth keeping on. If Ange gets the better of him a 3rd and 4th time it's over for him, imo he must win a trophy to stay. I will caveat that by saying if he gets us to a Euro final the board will hold on to him and he will probably just about deserve another chance.
As for the squad out of contracts : McGregor, Goldson, Davis and the loans are as good as gone unless Ramsey is set on staying and taking the cut that would have to come.
I expect GvB would keep Arfield and Balogun, I would keep Balogun. Aribo, Morelos and Kent are all in sign an extension or we're forced to sell you. Chances are we might push that until late in the window in attempts to qualify for the CL groups, then increase offers or sell if we don't.
Kent is the most likely to stay imo, then Aribo and Morelos will almost certainly be off. Helander and Jack should sign extensions if we ask them but probably a year maybe 2 at most for both with their injuries troubles recently.
Then there are the players out of favour atm. Kamara and Barasic. Both tied down but good money for either and he would sell, i wouldn't with Kamara. Think he needs to play much more.
We will probably need 5-6 first team players in the summer and should have reasonable money with Patterson being sold, European money this season and a couple of summer sales.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
Well were you not top of the league and odds on to be getting into the champs league when Patterson was sold? Context matters. The outlook now compared to when you sold Patterson has changed.
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Players are only worth as much as the buyer is willing to pay. If someone really wants someone what you’re saying isn’t going to impact what that buyer can afford.
In any case if we already got a few mil for Gerrard and 12 for Patterson that should hopefully cover this years losses. So hardly desperate to sell, our need to sell is driven by contracts expiring. Otherwise we’d probably only need to sell one of Morelos/Kent.
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I think you’ve an implicit assumption about the structure of Patterson deal; was it all or substantially cash up front?
Players are of course only worth what people are willing to pay, but the wider context of the situation a club is in and their “need” to sell is also going to drive what clubs are willing to pay.
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its almost unheard of now especially in higher priced deals that the monies are paid up front. Pretty much all deals are structured now.
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I’d agree, but it was suggested that revenue from that sale will go a long way to funding ongoing operations to end of season. Was wondering whether there was a particular peculiarity to the Patterson deal.
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 19 seconds ago
Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-kent/verletzungen/spieler/279457
Morelos has been struggling for a while with his thigh no?
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so 2 years between injuries for Kent and Morelos strained his thigh it seems a cpl weeks ago and didnt revocer from it.... other than that he hasnt been injured at all other than this current one.
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Injury in the same area of the body in 3 of the 4 seasons Kent, has been playing for rangers, missing on average 10 games each time. That would be causing some concern for clubs in the lower prem/high championship where it is assumed Kent could go, given how much every game matters for those clubs.
Thigh injuries can be a real pain to get rid off, often need proper lifestyle change to do so.
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surgery will sort it out fine, he will rest up over the summer he will be fine.
Kent has been injured 3 times in 4 years according to your source thats not worrying at all ie from 208 weeks he has been injured for 29. Thats really not that worrying at all.
he has played 43 games in season 1, 33 in season 2, 52 in season 3, 36 so far this year.
Thats not the stats of an injury prone player
GK McLaughlin / McCrorie
LB Bassey / Barasic
CB Balogun / Helander
CB New / Souttar
RB Tavernier / Zurkowski
CM New / Lundstrum / Sands
CM Jack / Kamara
LW Kent / Sakala
AM Hagi / Lowry
RW New / Wright
FW New / New / Roofe
Morelos / Aribo - Fees
McGregor / Davis / Goldson - Free
Diallo / Ramsey - Loans end
Simpson / Itten / Ofoborh are invisible and can go on frees.
With 10 players leaving we should easily have room to get 6/7 in. I think 5 would be an absolute minimum we could bring in but you would need 4 to be a hit which is a big ask, not so challenging if you get 7 in though...
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 minutes ago
GvB has until the end of the season to prove he's worth keeping on. If Ange gets the better of him a 3rd and 4th time it's over for him, imo he must win a trophy to stay. I will caveat that by saying if he gets us to a Euro final the board will hold on to him and he will probably just about deserve another chance.
As for the squad out of contracts : McGregor, Goldson, Davis and the loans are as good as gone unless Ramsey is set on staying and taking the cut that would have to come.
I expect GvB would keep Arfield and Balogun, I would keep Balogun. Aribo, Morelos and Kent are all in sign an extension or we're forced to sell you. Chances are we might push that until late in the window in attempts to qualify for the CL groups, then increase offers or sell if we don't.
Kent is the most likely to stay imo, then Aribo and Morelos will almost certainly be off. Helander and Jack should sign extensions if we ask them but probably a year maybe 2 at most for both with their injuries troubles recently.
Then there are the players out of favour atm. Kamara and Barasic. Both tied down but good money for either and he would sell, i wouldn't with Kamara. Think he needs to play much more.
We will probably need 5-6 first team players in the summer and should have reasonable money with Patterson being sold, European money this season and a couple of summer sales.
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so far we have made some good money from Europa.... as things stands we will have brought in about 20-25m from it that will help massively
So, the end of the cycle, eh?
Mind when Pedro said Aberdeen were at the end of their cycle? Before crashing 1-2 at home
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posted on 6/4/22
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 22 minutes ago
Other clubs aren’t mugs either. They’ll see the perilous financial position rangers are in
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posted on 6/4/22
Aye a clear out is sorely needed.
Starting with the management and coaching staff.
Outwith that though, none of the players whose contracts are up in June should be offered new deals. Outwith Goldson, whose off to West Brom or something, they’re all done at any real level.
The players that are out of contract next year, we should be looking to move on as well. Aribo has chucked it and Kents goal return this year has been no where near good enough.
Reinvest what we can and hope for the best that a new management team can form them into something resembling a football team.
posted on 6/4/22
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 19 seconds ago
Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
posted on 6/4/22
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 2 minutes ago
Aye a clear out is sorely needed.
Starting with the management and coaching staff.
Outwith that though, none of the players whose contracts are up in June should be offered new deals. Outwith Goldson, whose off to West Brom or something, they’re all done at any real level.
The players that are out of contract next year, we should be looking to move on as well. Aribo has chucked it and Kents goal return this year has been no where near good enough.
Reinvest what we can and hope for the best that a new management team can form them into something resembling a football team.
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You really remind me of Marvin the Paranoid Android
posted on 6/4/22
High level, the way I see it, the Glasgow giants run with squads of 30-35 players. Average contract length is <3 years though that is skewed by young players on max 2 years contracts in Scotland and a some elders going year by year so call it 3. So, every year you expect replacing or renewing at least a third of your squad - almost a continuous process 10 to 12. So, the numbers in the OP are not so wild?
posted on 6/4/22
comment by Kyo-Joe Furusmashi (U15888)
posted 54 minutes ago
Realistically how much would a fire sale bring in
McGregor - £0
Tavernier - £4/5m
Bassey - £2/3m
Helander - £1/2m
Goldson - £0
Balogun - £0
Barisic - £2m
Hagi - £6m?
Jack - £1m
Davis - £0
Ramsay - £0
Aribo - £5/6m
Kamara - £2/3m
Wright - £500k
Arfield - £0
Diallo - £0
Itten - £500k?
Kent - £8m
Morelos - £12m
Roofe - £1m
Sakala - £1m
£46m for the whole squad..
Not great..
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Joe-conomics?
posted on 6/4/22
I dont see the point in just saying Gio out...
We have already seen across the city the difference in a team when manager i working with players not signed for his system compared to those who are signed for that system or are used to that system.
Gio's teams setup and plays differently to Gerrards so I dont think its entirely fair to judge how his style fairs with Gerrards team.
There is a lot of similarities to this season as Gerrads 2nd season, started well, had a poor return from winter break .... lost league, did well in europe ... the next year then undefeated the season in the league.
posted on 6/4/22
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 2 minutes ago
Aye a clear out is sorely needed.
Starting with the management and coaching staff.
Outwith that though, none of the players whose contracts are up in June should be offered new deals. Outwith Goldson, whose off to West Brom or something, they’re all done at any real level.
The players that are out of contract next year, we should be looking to move on as well. Aribo has chucked it and Kents goal return this year has been no where near good enough.
Reinvest what we can and hope for the best that a new management team can form them into something resembling a football team.
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You really remind me of Marvin the Paranoid Android
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he prob moaned we didnt beat Dortmund in the 2nd leg
posted on 6/4/22
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 2 minutes ago
Aye a clear out is sorely needed.
Starting with the management and coaching staff.
Outwith that though, none of the players whose contracts are up in June should be offered new deals. Outwith Goldson, whose off to West Brom or something, they’re all done at any real level.
The players that are out of contract next year, we should be looking to move on as well. Aribo has chucked it and Kents goal return this year has been no where near good enough.
Reinvest what we can and hope for the best that a new management team can form them into something resembling a football team.
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You really remind me of Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Aye I’m just a miserable cant 99.9% of the time tbh.
posted on 6/4/22
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 2 minutes ago
Aye a clear out is sorely needed.
Starting with the management and coaching staff.
Outwith that though, none of the players whose contracts are up in June should be offered new deals. Outwith Goldson, whose off to West Brom or something, they’re all done at any real level.
The players that are out of contract next year, we should be looking to move on as well. Aribo has chucked it and Kents goal return this year has been no where near good enough.
Reinvest what we can and hope for the best that a new management team can form them into something resembling a football team.
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You really remind me of Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Aye I’m just a miserable cant 99.9% of the time tbh.
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fair play lad
posted on 6/4/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
I dont see the point in just saying Gio out...
We have already seen across the city the difference in a team when manager i working with players not signed for his system compared to those who are signed for that system or are used to that system.
Gio's teams setup and plays differently to Gerrards so I dont think its entirely fair to judge how his style fairs with Gerrards team.
There is a lot of similarities to this season as Gerrads 2nd season, started well, had a poor return from winter break .... lost league, did well in europe ... the next year then undefeated the season in the league.
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Agree with this.
What Silver makes sense, difference is there’s so many for us this year as the players as good as lost their interest last summer.
Not convinced by Gio, and if he continues to mess up in next couple months then I could change my mind. But makes no sense at all right now to sack him. He’s made good tactical changes in Europe and got more out of likes of Morelos and Lundstram than Gerrard did.
His tactics last couple old firms have been pash poor though. That and player mistakes (McGregor) is what’s cost us the league.
posted on 6/4/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 2 minutes ago
Aye a clear out is sorely needed.
Starting with the management and coaching staff.
Outwith that though, none of the players whose contracts are up in June should be offered new deals. Outwith Goldson, whose off to West Brom or something, they’re all done at any real level.
The players that are out of contract next year, we should be looking to move on as well. Aribo has chucked it and Kents goal return this year has been no where near good enough.
Reinvest what we can and hope for the best that a new management team can form them into something resembling a football team.
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You really remind me of Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Aye I’m just a miserable cant 99.9% of the time tbh.
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fair play lad
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Aye
posted on 6/4/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 minutes ago
I dont see the point in just saying Gio out...
We have already seen across the city the difference in a team when manager i working with players not signed for his system compared to those who are signed for that system or are used to that system.
Gio's teams setup and plays differently to Gerrards so I dont think its entirely fair to judge how his style fairs with Gerrards team.
There is a lot of similarities to this season as Gerrads 2nd season, started well, had a poor return from winter break .... lost league, did well in europe ... the next year then undefeated the season in the league.
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Difference is though fans are back in the stadium. Would gerrard have won a league in front of fans? Highly doubtful
posted on 6/4/22
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 minutes ago
I dont see the point in just saying Gio out...
We have already seen across the city the difference in a team when manager i working with players not signed for his system compared to those who are signed for that system or are used to that system.
Gio's teams setup and plays differently to Gerrards so I dont think its entirely fair to judge how his style fairs with Gerrards team.
There is a lot of similarities to this season as Gerrads 2nd season, started well, had a poor return from winter break .... lost league, did well in europe ... the next year then undefeated the season in the league.
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Difference is though fans are back in the stadium. Would gerrard have won a league in front of fans? Highly doubtful
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hilarious..... not the comment thtas been posted about 60 times today.
hilarious that you actually prob do believe this
posted on 6/4/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 19 seconds ago
Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-kent/verletzungen/spieler/279457
Morelos has been struggling for a while with his thigh no?
posted on 6/4/22
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 19 seconds ago
Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-kent/verletzungen/spieler/279457
Morelos has been struggling for a while with his thigh no?
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so 2 years between injuries for Kent and Morelos strained his thigh it seems a cpl weeks ago and didnt revocer from it.... other than that he hasnt been injured at all other than this current one.
posted on 6/4/22
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
Well were you not top of the league and odds on to be getting into the champs league when Patterson was sold? Context matters. The outlook now compared to when you sold Patterson has changed.
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Players are only worth as much as the buyer is willing to pay. If someone really wants someone what you’re saying isn’t going to impact what that buyer can afford.
In any case if we already got a few mil for Gerrard and 12 for Patterson that should hopefully cover this years losses. So hardly desperate to sell, our need to sell is driven by contracts expiring. Otherwise we’d probably only need to sell one of Morelos/Kent.
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I think you’ve an implicit assumption about the structure of Patterson deal; was it all or substantially cash up front?
Players are of course only worth what people are willing to pay, but the wider context of the situation a club is in and their “need” to sell is also going to drive what clubs are willing to pay.
posted on 6/4/22
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
Well were you not top of the league and odds on to be getting into the champs league when Patterson was sold? Context matters. The outlook now compared to when you sold Patterson has changed.
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Players are only worth as much as the buyer is willing to pay. If someone really wants someone what you’re saying isn’t going to impact what that buyer can afford.
In any case if we already got a few mil for Gerrard and 12 for Patterson that should hopefully cover this years losses. So hardly desperate to sell, our need to sell is driven by contracts expiring. Otherwise we’d probably only need to sell one of Morelos/Kent.
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I think you’ve an implicit assumption about the structure of Patterson deal; was it all or substantially cash up front?
Players are of course only worth what people are willing to pay, but the wider context of the situation a club is in and their “need” to sell is also going to drive what clubs are willing to pay.
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its almost unheard of now especially in higher priced deals that the monies are paid up front. Pretty much all deals are structured now.
posted on 6/4/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 19 seconds ago
Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-kent/verletzungen/spieler/279457
Morelos has been struggling for a while with his thigh no?
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so 2 years between injuries for Kent and Morelos strained his thigh it seems a cpl weeks ago and didnt revocer from it.... other than that he hasnt been injured at all other than this current one.
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Injury in the same area of the body in 3 of the 4 seasons Kent, has been playing for rangers, missing on average 10 games each time. That would be causing some concern for clubs in the lower prem/high championship where it is assumed Kent could go, given how much every game matters for those clubs.
Thigh injuries can be a real pain to get rid off, often need proper lifestyle change to do so.
posted on 6/4/22
GvB has until the end of the season to prove he's worth keeping on. If Ange gets the better of him a 3rd and 4th time it's over for him, imo he must win a trophy to stay. I will caveat that by saying if he gets us to a Euro final the board will hold on to him and he will probably just about deserve another chance.
As for the squad out of contracts : McGregor, Goldson, Davis and the loans are as good as gone unless Ramsey is set on staying and taking the cut that would have to come.
I expect GvB would keep Arfield and Balogun, I would keep Balogun. Aribo, Morelos and Kent are all in sign an extension or we're forced to sell you. Chances are we might push that until late in the window in attempts to qualify for the CL groups, then increase offers or sell if we don't.
Kent is the most likely to stay imo, then Aribo and Morelos will almost certainly be off. Helander and Jack should sign extensions if we ask them but probably a year maybe 2 at most for both with their injuries troubles recently.
Then there are the players out of favour atm. Kamara and Barasic. Both tied down but good money for either and he would sell, i wouldn't with Kamara. Think he needs to play much more.
We will probably need 5-6 first team players in the summer and should have reasonable money with Patterson being sold, European money this season and a couple of summer sales.
posted on 6/4/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
Well were you not top of the league and odds on to be getting into the champs league when Patterson was sold? Context matters. The outlook now compared to when you sold Patterson has changed.
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Players are only worth as much as the buyer is willing to pay. If someone really wants someone what you’re saying isn’t going to impact what that buyer can afford.
In any case if we already got a few mil for Gerrard and 12 for Patterson that should hopefully cover this years losses. So hardly desperate to sell, our need to sell is driven by contracts expiring. Otherwise we’d probably only need to sell one of Morelos/Kent.
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I think you’ve an implicit assumption about the structure of Patterson deal; was it all or substantially cash up front?
Players are of course only worth what people are willing to pay, but the wider context of the situation a club is in and their “need” to sell is also going to drive what clubs are willing to pay.
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its almost unheard of now especially in higher priced deals that the monies are paid up front. Pretty much all deals are structured now.
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I’d agree, but it was suggested that revenue from that sale will go a long way to funding ongoing operations to end of season. Was wondering whether there was a particular peculiarity to the Patterson deal.
posted on 6/4/22
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 19 seconds ago
Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-kent/verletzungen/spieler/279457
Morelos has been struggling for a while with his thigh no?
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so 2 years between injuries for Kent and Morelos strained his thigh it seems a cpl weeks ago and didnt revocer from it.... other than that he hasnt been injured at all other than this current one.
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Injury in the same area of the body in 3 of the 4 seasons Kent, has been playing for rangers, missing on average 10 games each time. That would be causing some concern for clubs in the lower prem/high championship where it is assumed Kent could go, given how much every game matters for those clubs.
Thigh injuries can be a real pain to get rid off, often need proper lifestyle change to do so.
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surgery will sort it out fine, he will rest up over the summer he will be fine.
Kent has been injured 3 times in 4 years according to your source thats not worrying at all ie from 208 weeks he has been injured for 29. Thats really not that worrying at all.
he has played 43 games in season 1, 33 in season 2, 52 in season 3, 36 so far this year.
Thats not the stats of an injury prone player
posted on 6/4/22
GK McLaughlin / McCrorie
LB Bassey / Barasic
CB Balogun / Helander
CB New / Souttar
RB Tavernier / Zurkowski
CM New / Lundstrum / Sands
CM Jack / Kamara
LW Kent / Sakala
AM Hagi / Lowry
RW New / Wright
FW New / New / Roofe
Morelos / Aribo - Fees
McGregor / Davis / Goldson - Free
Diallo / Ramsey - Loans end
Simpson / Itten / Ofoborh are invisible and can go on frees.
With 10 players leaving we should easily have room to get 6/7 in. I think 5 would be an absolute minimum we could bring in but you would need 4 to be a hit which is a big ask, not so challenging if you get 7 in though...
posted on 6/4/22
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 minutes ago
GvB has until the end of the season to prove he's worth keeping on. If Ange gets the better of him a 3rd and 4th time it's over for him, imo he must win a trophy to stay. I will caveat that by saying if he gets us to a Euro final the board will hold on to him and he will probably just about deserve another chance.
As for the squad out of contracts : McGregor, Goldson, Davis and the loans are as good as gone unless Ramsey is set on staying and taking the cut that would have to come.
I expect GvB would keep Arfield and Balogun, I would keep Balogun. Aribo, Morelos and Kent are all in sign an extension or we're forced to sell you. Chances are we might push that until late in the window in attempts to qualify for the CL groups, then increase offers or sell if we don't.
Kent is the most likely to stay imo, then Aribo and Morelos will almost certainly be off. Helander and Jack should sign extensions if we ask them but probably a year maybe 2 at most for both with their injuries troubles recently.
Then there are the players out of favour atm. Kamara and Barasic. Both tied down but good money for either and he would sell, i wouldn't with Kamara. Think he needs to play much more.
We will probably need 5-6 first team players in the summer and should have reasonable money with Patterson being sold, European money this season and a couple of summer sales.
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so far we have made some good money from Europa.... as things stands we will have brought in about 20-25m from it that will help massively
posted on 6/4/22
So, the end of the cycle, eh?
Mind when Pedro said Aberdeen were at the end of their cycle? Before crashing 1-2 at home
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