Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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Aye a clear out is sorely needed.
Starting with the management and coaching staff.
Outwith that though, none of the players whose contracts are up in June should be offered new deals. Outwith Goldson, whose off to West Brom or something, they’re all done at any real level.
The players that are out of contract next year, we should be looking to move on as well. Aribo has chucked it and Kents goal return this year has been no where near good enough.
Reinvest what we can and hope for the best that a new management team can form them into something resembling a football team.
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You really remind me of Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Aye I’m just a miserable cant 99.9% of the time tbh.
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Might as well be honest. Everything is a shade of scheidt for me.
Rangers would take CL qualification over the league right now, no argument.
Think about it roughly +£20m for them and -£20m for us - a £40m swing - what's not to like?
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Well were you not top of the league and odds on to be getting into the champs league when Patterson was sold? Context matters. The outlook now compared to when you sold Patterson has changed.
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Players are only worth as much as the buyer is willing to pay. If someone really wants someone what you’re saying isn’t going to impact what that buyer can afford.
In any case if we already got a few mil for Gerrard and 12 for Patterson that should hopefully cover this years losses. So hardly desperate to sell, our need to sell is driven by contracts expiring. Otherwise we’d probably only need to sell one of Morelos/Kent.
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I think you’ve an implicit assumption about the structure of Patterson deal; was it all or substantially cash up front?
Players are of course only worth what people are willing to pay, but the wider context of the situation a club is in and their “need” to sell is also going to drive what clubs are willing to pay.
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its almost unheard of now especially in higher priced deals that the monies are paid up front. Pretty much all deals are structured now.
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I’d agree, but it was suggested that revenue from that sale will go a long way to funding ongoing operations to end of season. Was wondering whether there was a particular peculiarity to the Patterson deal.
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Our losses are also occurring over a longer time frame and not all at once… Why I said that and the cash from Gerrard will cover this years losses. Not like there’s a worry about cash unless the investors throw the towel in.
If it was viewed as being structured as 12m with add one.
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GvB has until the end of the season to prove he's worth keeping on. If Ange gets the better of him a 3rd and 4th time it's over for him, imo he must win a trophy to stay. I will caveat that by saying if he gets us to a Euro final the board will hold on to him and he will probably just about deserve another chance.
As for the squad out of contracts : McGregor, Goldson, Davis and the loans are as good as gone unless Ramsey is set on staying and taking the cut that would have to come.
I expect GvB would keep Arfield and Balogun, I would keep Balogun. Aribo, Morelos and Kent are all in sign an extension or we're forced to sell you. Chances are we might push that until late in the window in attempts to qualify for the CL groups, then increase offers or sell if we don't.
Kent is the most likely to stay imo, then Aribo and Morelos will almost certainly be off. Helander and Jack should sign extensions if we ask them but probably a year maybe 2 at most for both with their injuries troubles recently.
Then there are the players out of favour atm. Kamara and Barasic. Both tied down but good money for either and he would sell, i wouldn't with Kamara. Think he needs to play much more.
We will probably need 5-6 first team players in the summer and should have reasonable money with Patterson being sold, European money this season and a couple of summer sales.
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so far we have made some good money from Europa.... as things stands we will have brought in about 20-25m from it that will help massively
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Personally think Kent will want to leave. He went back to Liverpool originally after his loan and was only late in window we tempted him back.
If an offer comes don’t think he’ll want to stay.
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Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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Hagi doesnt control games but the amount of times he pops up with the key pass has been missed IMO.
I agree though if we can get a good offer for him let him go. He doesnt control games like I said and I feel a player of his ability should be able to do more. anything north of 6m would make sense to sell IMO.
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GvB has until the end of the season to prove he's worth keeping on. If Ange gets the better of him a 3rd and 4th time it's over for him, imo he must win a trophy to stay. I will caveat that by saying if he gets us to a Euro final the board will hold on to him and he will probably just about deserve another chance.
As for the squad out of contracts : McGregor, Goldson, Davis and the loans are as good as gone unless Ramsey is set on staying and taking the cut that would have to come.
I expect GvB would keep Arfield and Balogun, I would keep Balogun. Aribo, Morelos and Kent are all in sign an extension or we're forced to sell you. Chances are we might push that until late in the window in attempts to qualify for the CL groups, then increase offers or sell if we don't.
Kent is the most likely to stay imo, then Aribo and Morelos will almost certainly be off. Helander and Jack should sign extensions if we ask them but probably a year maybe 2 at most for both with their injuries troubles recently.
Then there are the players out of favour atm. Kamara and Barasic. Both tied down but good money for either and he would sell, i wouldn't with Kamara. Think he needs to play much more.
We will probably need 5-6 first team players in the summer and should have reasonable money with Patterson being sold, European money this season and a couple of summer sales.
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so far we have made some good money from Europa.... as things stands we will have brought in about 20-25m from it that will help massively
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Personally think Kent will want to leave. He went back to Liverpool originally after his loan and was only late in window we tempted him back.
If an offer comes don’t think he’ll want to stay.
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dunno when the Leeds offer got rejected this year he didnt seem bothered and was prob happier looking than he had been before again. If we had intentions of sellig or if we didnt think Kent would wanna stay I thik we would have accepted the offer from leeds
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Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-kent/verletzungen/spieler/279457
Morelos has been struggling for a while with his thigh no?
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so 2 years between injuries for Kent and Morelos strained his thigh it seems a cpl weeks ago and didnt revocer from it.... other than that he hasnt been injured at all other than this current one.
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Injury in the same area of the body in 3 of the 4 seasons Kent, has been playing for rangers, missing on average 10 games each time. That would be causing some concern for clubs in the lower prem/high championship where it is assumed Kent could go, given how much every game matters for those clubs.
Thigh injuries can be a real pain to get rid off, often need proper lifestyle change to do so.
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surgery will sort it out fine, he will rest up over the summer he will be fine.
Kent has been injured 3 times in 4 years according to your source thats not worrying at all ie from 208 weeks he has been injured for 29. Thats really not that worrying at all.
he has played 43 games in season 1, 33 in season 2, 52 in season 3, 36 so far this year.
Thats not the stats of an injury prone player
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The source mentioned 27 games missed. That doesn’t include the getting back up to match sharpness each time, so realistically we’re talking 36 games at least not fully fit across 4 seasons. That’s…. not great.
You may think it’s fine, all I am suggesting is that it would be a reasonable concern for a club to have, particularly in the every game counts area.
Also, football isn’t played 52 weeks of the year 😂
So 43 games out of 60, 33 out of 54, and this season 36 out of 52 games.
That works out as not playing in 1 game in every 3 in the seasons where he has a hamstring injury, which has been more often than not since he’s been at rangers. If you don’t think that would be worrying to a potential purchaser 🤷♂️
dunno when the Leeds offer got rejected this year he didnt seem bothered and was prob happier looking than he had been before again. If we had intentions of sellig or if we didnt think Kent would wanna stay I thik we would have accepted the offer from leeds
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Then again, he's maybe thinking stay, win a treble and get an offer from a team that isn't scrapping for relegation?
comment by Call Sign: yatiri (U3627)
posted 41 minutes ago
Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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Out of curiosity (and my own laziness to Google it all myself), how much did each starting XI cost on Sunday?
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Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-kent/verletzungen/spieler/279457
Morelos has been struggling for a while with his thigh no?
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so 2 years between injuries for Kent and Morelos strained his thigh it seems a cpl weeks ago and didnt revocer from it.... other than that he hasnt been injured at all other than this current one.
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Injury in the same area of the body in 3 of the 4 seasons Kent, has been playing for rangers, missing on average 10 games each time. That would be causing some concern for clubs in the lower prem/high championship where it is assumed Kent could go, given how much every game matters for those clubs.
Thigh injuries can be a real pain to get rid off, often need proper lifestyle change to do so.
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surgery will sort it out fine, he will rest up over the summer he will be fine.
Kent has been injured 3 times in 4 years according to your source thats not worrying at all ie from 208 weeks he has been injured for 29. Thats really not that worrying at all.
he has played 43 games in season 1, 33 in season 2, 52 in season 3, 36 so far this year.
Thats not the stats of an injury prone player
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The source mentioned 27 games missed. That doesn’t include the getting back up to match sharpness each time, so realistically we’re talking 36 games at least not fully fit across 4 seasons. That’s…. not great.
You may think it’s fine, all I am suggesting is that it would be a reasonable concern for a club to have, particularly in the every game counts area.
Also, football isn’t played 52 weeks of the year 😂
So 43 games out of 60, 33 out of 54, and this season 36 out of 52 games.
That works out as not playing in 1 game in every 3 in the seasons where he has a hamstring injury, which has been more often than not since he’s been at rangers. If you don’t think that would be worrying to a potential purchaser 🤷♂️
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he wasnt injured for every game missed, rotations and rest also comes into that he averages 41 games a season thats not the sign of an injury prone player.
Roofe is injury prone, Helander is injury prone. Kent is not.
1 hamstring injury in 2019 which kept out 3 weeks, then TWO years later similar injury but he was out for a bit longer, then a year later another hamstring pull.
Thats not that bad for the type of player he is.
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comment by Call Sign: yatiri (U3627)
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Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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Out of curiosity (and my own laziness to Google it all myself), how much did each starting XI cost on Sunday?
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i had a quick a lok and it was nowhere near as much as you would think .... roughly 16m for rangers and 15m for celtic.
You would think that would be far higher
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Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-kent/verletzungen/spieler/279457
Morelos has been struggling for a while with his thigh no?
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so 2 years between injuries for Kent and Morelos strained his thigh it seems a cpl weeks ago and didnt revocer from it.... other than that he hasnt been injured at all other than this current one.
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Injury in the same area of the body in 3 of the 4 seasons Kent, has been playing for rangers, missing on average 10 games each time. That would be causing some concern for clubs in the lower prem/high championship where it is assumed Kent could go, given how much every game matters for those clubs.
Thigh injuries can be a real pain to get rid off, often need proper lifestyle change to do so.
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surgery will sort it out fine, he will rest up over the summer he will be fine.
Kent has been injured 3 times in 4 years according to your source thats not worrying at all ie from 208 weeks he has been injured for 29. Thats really not that worrying at all.
he has played 43 games in season 1, 33 in season 2, 52 in season 3, 36 so far this year.
Thats not the stats of an injury prone player
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The source mentioned 27 games missed. That doesn’t include the getting back up to match sharpness each time, so realistically we’re talking 36 games at least not fully fit across 4 seasons. That’s…. not great.
You may think it’s fine, all I am suggesting is that it would be a reasonable concern for a club to have, particularly in the every game counts area.
Also, football isn’t played 52 weeks of the year 😂
So 43 games out of 60, 33 out of 54, and this season 36 out of 52 games.
That works out as not playing in 1 game in every 3 in the seasons where he has a hamstring injury, which has been more often than not since he’s been at rangers. If you don’t think that would be worrying to a potential purchaser 🤷♂️
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he wasnt injured for every game missed, rotations and rest also comes into that he averages 41 games a season thats not the sign of an injury prone player.
Roofe is injury prone, Helander is injury prone. Kent is not.
1 hamstring injury in 2019 which kept out 3 weeks, then TWO years later similar injury but he was out for a bit longer, then a year later another hamstring pull.
Thats not that bad for the type of player he is.
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As I said, if you don’t think that would be concerning to a potential purchaser, then you do you. I happen to think it would be a factor in deciding the amount to pay for the player.
Oh and if you look at the link I provided above, in the “detailed” section, you’ll see the length of injuries as 35, 49 and 48 days which my calculation would make that FIVE weeks and then 2 injuries of approximately SEVEN weeks. Not sure where 3 weeks comes from but hey ho.
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Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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Out of curiosity (and my own laziness to Google it all myself), how much did each starting XI cost on Sunday?
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i had a quick a lok and it was nowhere near as much as you would think .... roughly 16m for rangers and 15m for celtic.
You would think that would be far higher
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It would likely be skewed by the number of loan players on show. Were all loanees permanent you’d imagine that the figures would double.
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Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-kent/verletzungen/spieler/279457
Morelos has been struggling for a while with his thigh no?
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so 2 years between injuries for Kent and Morelos strained his thigh it seems a cpl weeks ago and didnt revocer from it.... other than that he hasnt been injured at all other than this current one.
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Injury in the same area of the body in 3 of the 4 seasons Kent, has been playing for rangers, missing on average 10 games each time. That would be causing some concern for clubs in the lower prem/high championship where it is assumed Kent could go, given how much every game matters for those clubs.
Thigh injuries can be a real pain to get rid off, often need proper lifestyle change to do so.
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surgery will sort it out fine, he will rest up over the summer he will be fine.
Kent has been injured 3 times in 4 years according to your source thats not worrying at all ie from 208 weeks he has been injured for 29. Thats really not that worrying at all.
he has played 43 games in season 1, 33 in season 2, 52 in season 3, 36 so far this year.
Thats not the stats of an injury prone player
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The source mentioned 27 games missed. That doesn’t include the getting back up to match sharpness each time, so realistically we’re talking 36 games at least not fully fit across 4 seasons. That’s…. not great.
You may think it’s fine, all I am suggesting is that it would be a reasonable concern for a club to have, particularly in the every game counts area.
Also, football isn’t played 52 weeks of the year 😂
So 43 games out of 60, 33 out of 54, and this season 36 out of 52 games.
That works out as not playing in 1 game in every 3 in the seasons where he has a hamstring injury, which has been more often than not since he’s been at rangers. If you don’t think that would be worrying to a potential purchaser 🤷♂️
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he wasnt injured for every game missed, rotations and rest also comes into that he averages 41 games a season thats not the sign of an injury prone player.
Roofe is injury prone, Helander is injury prone. Kent is not.
1 hamstring injury in 2019 which kept out 3 weeks, then TWO years later similar injury but he was out for a bit longer, then a year later another hamstring pull.
Thats not that bad for the type of player he is.
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As I said, if you don’t think that would be concerning to a potential purchaser, then you do you. I happen to think it would be a factor in deciding the amount to pay for the player.
Oh and if you look at the link I provided above, in the “detailed” section, you’ll see the length of injuries as 35, 49 and 48 days which my calculation would make that FIVE weeks and then 2 injuries of approximately SEVEN weeks. Not sure where 3 weeks comes from but hey ho.
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It didnt seem to concern Leeds?
A guy how averages over 40 games a season isnt injury prone. Saying that you thought Morelos was injury prone who has been injured once since he got here!
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Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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Out of curiosity (and my own laziness to Google it all myself), how much did each starting XI cost on Sunday?
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i had a quick a lok and it was nowhere near as much as you would think .... roughly 16m for rangers and 15m for celtic.
You would think that would be far higher
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It would likely be skewed by the number of loan players on show. Were all loanees permanent you’d imagine that the figures would double.
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loan fees were included in the values
Actual nonsense to say Ryan Kent or Morelos are injury prone. Majority of players get an injury at some point or another
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It didnt seem to concern Leeds?
A guy how averages over 40 games a season isnt injury prone. Saying that you thought Morelos was injury prone who has been injured once since he got here!
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Didn’t it? How do you know it didn’t concern leeds? People buy players who have history of injuries all the time, it doesn’t mean said injury history is not a concern or doesn’t influence the price they’re willing to pay.
Did I think Morelos was injury prone? What I actually said, and I paraphrase somewhat, was that he has had an injury to a part of the body (thigh) where recurrences are not uncommon.
Glad we can concur that 3 weeks isn’t the same as 5 weeks though 👍
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posted 41 minutes ago
Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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i had a quick a lok and it was nowhere near as much as you would think .... roughly 16m for rangers and 15m for celtic.
You would think that would be far higher
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It would likely be skewed by the number of loan players on show. Were all loanees permanent you’d imagine that the figures would double.
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loan fees were included in the values
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Which would likely be lower than if the transfers were permanent 🤷♂️
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Actual nonsense to say Ryan Kent or Morelos are injury prone. Majority of players get an injury at some point or another
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the morelos one was particularly funny, he is known for being injury resistant, not the other way around
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Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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Out of curiosity (and my own laziness to Google it all myself), how much did each starting XI cost on Sunday?
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i had a quick a lok and it was nowhere near as much as you would think .... roughly 16m for rangers and 15m for celtic.
You would think that would be far higher
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It would likely be skewed by the number of loan players on show. Were all loanees permanent you’d imagine that the figures would double.
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loan fees were included in the values
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Which would likely be lower than if the transfers were permanent 🤷♂️
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so you think ramsay is worth 16m !!
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Actual nonsense to say Ryan Kent or Morelos are injury prone. Majority of players get an injury at some point or another
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I don’t think anyone is saying their they’re injury prone? What I am saying is that Kent has now had 3 injuries in 4 seasons in the same part of the body, and that I suspect that will have some influence on the amount of money clubs may be willing to pay for him. Similarly Morelos and his current layoff. Not sure why that’s seen as controversial 😂
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Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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Out of curiosity (and my own laziness to Google it all myself), how much did each starting XI cost on Sunday?
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i had a quick a lok and it was nowhere near as much as you would think .... roughly 16m for rangers and 15m for celtic.
You would think that would be far higher
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It would likely be skewed by the number of loan players on show. Were all loanees permanent you’d imagine that the figures would double.
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loan fees were included in the values
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Which would likely be lower than if the transfers were permanent 🤷♂️
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so you think ramsay is worth 16m !!
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/aaron-ramsey/marktwertverlauf/spieler/50057
Suggests his market value has been around there relatively recently (in the 2020s). I’m not saying I would pay that for him.
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Actual nonsense to say Ryan Kent or Morelos are injury prone. Majority of players get an injury at some point or another
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the morelos one was particularly funny, he is known for being injury resistant, not the other way around
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If you choose to either deliberately or erroneously misinterpret what people are saying in good faith, then I’m sure lots of things can be funny 🤷♂️
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Actual nonsense to say Ryan Kent or Morelos are injury prone. Majority of players get an injury at some point or another
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I don’t think anyone is saying their they’re injury prone? What I am saying is that Kent has now had 3 injuries in 4 seasons in the same part of the body, and that I suspect that will have some influence on the amount of money clubs may be willing to pay for him. Similarly Morelos and his current layoff. Not sure why that’s seen as controversial 😂
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"repeat injuries are common", thats the same as injury prone.
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Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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Aye a clear out is sorely needed.
Starting with the management and coaching staff.
Outwith that though, none of the players whose contracts are up in June should be offered new deals. Outwith Goldson, whose off to West Brom or something, they’re all done at any real level.
The players that are out of contract next year, we should be looking to move on as well. Aribo has chucked it and Kents goal return this year has been no where near good enough.
Reinvest what we can and hope for the best that a new management team can form them into something resembling a football team.
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You really remind me of Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Aye I’m just a miserable cant 99.9% of the time tbh.
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fair play lad
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Might as well be honest. Everything is a shade of scheidt for me.
posted on 6/4/22
Rangers would take CL qualification over the league right now, no argument.
Think about it roughly +£20m for them and -£20m for us - a £40m swing - what's not to like?
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Well were you not top of the league and odds on to be getting into the champs league when Patterson was sold? Context matters. The outlook now compared to when you sold Patterson has changed.
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Players are only worth as much as the buyer is willing to pay. If someone really wants someone what you’re saying isn’t going to impact what that buyer can afford.
In any case if we already got a few mil for Gerrard and 12 for Patterson that should hopefully cover this years losses. So hardly desperate to sell, our need to sell is driven by contracts expiring. Otherwise we’d probably only need to sell one of Morelos/Kent.
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I think you’ve an implicit assumption about the structure of Patterson deal; was it all or substantially cash up front?
Players are of course only worth what people are willing to pay, but the wider context of the situation a club is in and their “need” to sell is also going to drive what clubs are willing to pay.
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its almost unheard of now especially in higher priced deals that the monies are paid up front. Pretty much all deals are structured now.
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I’d agree, but it was suggested that revenue from that sale will go a long way to funding ongoing operations to end of season. Was wondering whether there was a particular peculiarity to the Patterson deal.
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Our losses are also occurring over a longer time frame and not all at once… Why I said that and the cash from Gerrard will cover this years losses. Not like there’s a worry about cash unless the investors throw the towel in.
If it was viewed as being structured as 12m with add one.
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GvB has until the end of the season to prove he's worth keeping on. If Ange gets the better of him a 3rd and 4th time it's over for him, imo he must win a trophy to stay. I will caveat that by saying if he gets us to a Euro final the board will hold on to him and he will probably just about deserve another chance.
As for the squad out of contracts : McGregor, Goldson, Davis and the loans are as good as gone unless Ramsey is set on staying and taking the cut that would have to come.
I expect GvB would keep Arfield and Balogun, I would keep Balogun. Aribo, Morelos and Kent are all in sign an extension or we're forced to sell you. Chances are we might push that until late in the window in attempts to qualify for the CL groups, then increase offers or sell if we don't.
Kent is the most likely to stay imo, then Aribo and Morelos will almost certainly be off. Helander and Jack should sign extensions if we ask them but probably a year maybe 2 at most for both with their injuries troubles recently.
Then there are the players out of favour atm. Kamara and Barasic. Both tied down but good money for either and he would sell, i wouldn't with Kamara. Think he needs to play much more.
We will probably need 5-6 first team players in the summer and should have reasonable money with Patterson being sold, European money this season and a couple of summer sales.
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so far we have made some good money from Europa.... as things stands we will have brought in about 20-25m from it that will help massively
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Personally think Kent will want to leave. He went back to Liverpool originally after his loan and was only late in window we tempted him back.
If an offer comes don’t think he’ll want to stay.
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Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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Hagi doesnt control games but the amount of times he pops up with the key pass has been missed IMO.
I agree though if we can get a good offer for him let him go. He doesnt control games like I said and I feel a player of his ability should be able to do more. anything north of 6m would make sense to sell IMO.
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GvB has until the end of the season to prove he's worth keeping on. If Ange gets the better of him a 3rd and 4th time it's over for him, imo he must win a trophy to stay. I will caveat that by saying if he gets us to a Euro final the board will hold on to him and he will probably just about deserve another chance.
As for the squad out of contracts : McGregor, Goldson, Davis and the loans are as good as gone unless Ramsey is set on staying and taking the cut that would have to come.
I expect GvB would keep Arfield and Balogun, I would keep Balogun. Aribo, Morelos and Kent are all in sign an extension or we're forced to sell you. Chances are we might push that until late in the window in attempts to qualify for the CL groups, then increase offers or sell if we don't.
Kent is the most likely to stay imo, then Aribo and Morelos will almost certainly be off. Helander and Jack should sign extensions if we ask them but probably a year maybe 2 at most for both with their injuries troubles recently.
Then there are the players out of favour atm. Kamara and Barasic. Both tied down but good money for either and he would sell, i wouldn't with Kamara. Think he needs to play much more.
We will probably need 5-6 first team players in the summer and should have reasonable money with Patterson being sold, European money this season and a couple of summer sales.
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so far we have made some good money from Europa.... as things stands we will have brought in about 20-25m from it that will help massively
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Personally think Kent will want to leave. He went back to Liverpool originally after his loan and was only late in window we tempted him back.
If an offer comes don’t think he’ll want to stay.
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dunno when the Leeds offer got rejected this year he didnt seem bothered and was prob happier looking than he had been before again. If we had intentions of sellig or if we didnt think Kent would wanna stay I thik we would have accepted the offer from leeds
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Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-kent/verletzungen/spieler/279457
Morelos has been struggling for a while with his thigh no?
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so 2 years between injuries for Kent and Morelos strained his thigh it seems a cpl weeks ago and didnt revocer from it.... other than that he hasnt been injured at all other than this current one.
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Injury in the same area of the body in 3 of the 4 seasons Kent, has been playing for rangers, missing on average 10 games each time. That would be causing some concern for clubs in the lower prem/high championship where it is assumed Kent could go, given how much every game matters for those clubs.
Thigh injuries can be a real pain to get rid off, often need proper lifestyle change to do so.
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surgery will sort it out fine, he will rest up over the summer he will be fine.
Kent has been injured 3 times in 4 years according to your source thats not worrying at all ie from 208 weeks he has been injured for 29. Thats really not that worrying at all.
he has played 43 games in season 1, 33 in season 2, 52 in season 3, 36 so far this year.
Thats not the stats of an injury prone player
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The source mentioned 27 games missed. That doesn’t include the getting back up to match sharpness each time, so realistically we’re talking 36 games at least not fully fit across 4 seasons. That’s…. not great.
You may think it’s fine, all I am suggesting is that it would be a reasonable concern for a club to have, particularly in the every game counts area.
Also, football isn’t played 52 weeks of the year 😂
So 43 games out of 60, 33 out of 54, and this season 36 out of 52 games.
That works out as not playing in 1 game in every 3 in the seasons where he has a hamstring injury, which has been more often than not since he’s been at rangers. If you don’t think that would be worrying to a potential purchaser 🤷♂️
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dunno when the Leeds offer got rejected this year he didnt seem bothered and was prob happier looking than he had been before again. If we had intentions of sellig or if we didnt think Kent would wanna stay I thik we would have accepted the offer from leeds
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Then again, he's maybe thinking stay, win a treble and get an offer from a team that isn't scrapping for relegation?
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Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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Out of curiosity (and my own laziness to Google it all myself), how much did each starting XI cost on Sunday?
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Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-kent/verletzungen/spieler/279457
Morelos has been struggling for a while with his thigh no?
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so 2 years between injuries for Kent and Morelos strained his thigh it seems a cpl weeks ago and didnt revocer from it.... other than that he hasnt been injured at all other than this current one.
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Injury in the same area of the body in 3 of the 4 seasons Kent, has been playing for rangers, missing on average 10 games each time. That would be causing some concern for clubs in the lower prem/high championship where it is assumed Kent could go, given how much every game matters for those clubs.
Thigh injuries can be a real pain to get rid off, often need proper lifestyle change to do so.
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surgery will sort it out fine, he will rest up over the summer he will be fine.
Kent has been injured 3 times in 4 years according to your source thats not worrying at all ie from 208 weeks he has been injured for 29. Thats really not that worrying at all.
he has played 43 games in season 1, 33 in season 2, 52 in season 3, 36 so far this year.
Thats not the stats of an injury prone player
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The source mentioned 27 games missed. That doesn’t include the getting back up to match sharpness each time, so realistically we’re talking 36 games at least not fully fit across 4 seasons. That’s…. not great.
You may think it’s fine, all I am suggesting is that it would be a reasonable concern for a club to have, particularly in the every game counts area.
Also, football isn’t played 52 weeks of the year 😂
So 43 games out of 60, 33 out of 54, and this season 36 out of 52 games.
That works out as not playing in 1 game in every 3 in the seasons where he has a hamstring injury, which has been more often than not since he’s been at rangers. If you don’t think that would be worrying to a potential purchaser 🤷♂️
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he wasnt injured for every game missed, rotations and rest also comes into that he averages 41 games a season thats not the sign of an injury prone player.
Roofe is injury prone, Helander is injury prone. Kent is not.
1 hamstring injury in 2019 which kept out 3 weeks, then TWO years later similar injury but he was out for a bit longer, then a year later another hamstring pull.
Thats not that bad for the type of player he is.
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Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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i had a quick a lok and it was nowhere near as much as you would think .... roughly 16m for rangers and 15m for celtic.
You would think that would be far higher
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Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-kent/verletzungen/spieler/279457
Morelos has been struggling for a while with his thigh no?
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so 2 years between injuries for Kent and Morelos strained his thigh it seems a cpl weeks ago and didnt revocer from it.... other than that he hasnt been injured at all other than this current one.
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Injury in the same area of the body in 3 of the 4 seasons Kent, has been playing for rangers, missing on average 10 games each time. That would be causing some concern for clubs in the lower prem/high championship where it is assumed Kent could go, given how much every game matters for those clubs.
Thigh injuries can be a real pain to get rid off, often need proper lifestyle change to do so.
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surgery will sort it out fine, he will rest up over the summer he will be fine.
Kent has been injured 3 times in 4 years according to your source thats not worrying at all ie from 208 weeks he has been injured for 29. Thats really not that worrying at all.
he has played 43 games in season 1, 33 in season 2, 52 in season 3, 36 so far this year.
Thats not the stats of an injury prone player
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The source mentioned 27 games missed. That doesn’t include the getting back up to match sharpness each time, so realistically we’re talking 36 games at least not fully fit across 4 seasons. That’s…. not great.
You may think it’s fine, all I am suggesting is that it would be a reasonable concern for a club to have, particularly in the every game counts area.
Also, football isn’t played 52 weeks of the year 😂
So 43 games out of 60, 33 out of 54, and this season 36 out of 52 games.
That works out as not playing in 1 game in every 3 in the seasons where he has a hamstring injury, which has been more often than not since he’s been at rangers. If you don’t think that would be worrying to a potential purchaser 🤷♂️
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he wasnt injured for every game missed, rotations and rest also comes into that he averages 41 games a season thats not the sign of an injury prone player.
Roofe is injury prone, Helander is injury prone. Kent is not.
1 hamstring injury in 2019 which kept out 3 weeks, then TWO years later similar injury but he was out for a bit longer, then a year later another hamstring pull.
Thats not that bad for the type of player he is.
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As I said, if you don’t think that would be concerning to a potential purchaser, then you do you. I happen to think it would be a factor in deciding the amount to pay for the player.
Oh and if you look at the link I provided above, in the “detailed” section, you’ll see the length of injuries as 35, 49 and 48 days which my calculation would make that FIVE weeks and then 2 injuries of approximately SEVEN weeks. Not sure where 3 weeks comes from but hey ho.
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Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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Out of curiosity (and my own laziness to Google it all myself), how much did each starting XI cost on Sunday?
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i had a quick a lok and it was nowhere near as much as you would think .... roughly 16m for rangers and 15m for celtic.
You would think that would be far higher
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It would likely be skewed by the number of loan players on show. Were all loanees permanent you’d imagine that the figures would double.
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Plus Morelos and Kent both 5 years older than Patterson, and from what I can tell both have had multiple injury layoffs with areas where repeat injuries are common (thigh and hamstring respectively).
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This is the first time I can remember Morelos being injured under us, and Kent I think has only been injured once this season and wasnt out too long?
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-kent/verletzungen/spieler/279457
Morelos has been struggling for a while with his thigh no?
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so 2 years between injuries for Kent and Morelos strained his thigh it seems a cpl weeks ago and didnt revocer from it.... other than that he hasnt been injured at all other than this current one.
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Injury in the same area of the body in 3 of the 4 seasons Kent, has been playing for rangers, missing on average 10 games each time. That would be causing some concern for clubs in the lower prem/high championship where it is assumed Kent could go, given how much every game matters for those clubs.
Thigh injuries can be a real pain to get rid off, often need proper lifestyle change to do so.
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surgery will sort it out fine, he will rest up over the summer he will be fine.
Kent has been injured 3 times in 4 years according to your source thats not worrying at all ie from 208 weeks he has been injured for 29. Thats really not that worrying at all.
he has played 43 games in season 1, 33 in season 2, 52 in season 3, 36 so far this year.
Thats not the stats of an injury prone player
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The source mentioned 27 games missed. That doesn’t include the getting back up to match sharpness each time, so realistically we’re talking 36 games at least not fully fit across 4 seasons. That’s…. not great.
You may think it’s fine, all I am suggesting is that it would be a reasonable concern for a club to have, particularly in the every game counts area.
Also, football isn’t played 52 weeks of the year 😂
So 43 games out of 60, 33 out of 54, and this season 36 out of 52 games.
That works out as not playing in 1 game in every 3 in the seasons where he has a hamstring injury, which has been more often than not since he’s been at rangers. If you don’t think that would be worrying to a potential purchaser 🤷♂️
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he wasnt injured for every game missed, rotations and rest also comes into that he averages 41 games a season thats not the sign of an injury prone player.
Roofe is injury prone, Helander is injury prone. Kent is not.
1 hamstring injury in 2019 which kept out 3 weeks, then TWO years later similar injury but he was out for a bit longer, then a year later another hamstring pull.
Thats not that bad for the type of player he is.
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As I said, if you don’t think that would be concerning to a potential purchaser, then you do you. I happen to think it would be a factor in deciding the amount to pay for the player.
Oh and if you look at the link I provided above, in the “detailed” section, you’ll see the length of injuries as 35, 49 and 48 days which my calculation would make that FIVE weeks and then 2 injuries of approximately SEVEN weeks. Not sure where 3 weeks comes from but hey ho.
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It didnt seem to concern Leeds?
A guy how averages over 40 games a season isnt injury prone. Saying that you thought Morelos was injury prone who has been injured once since he got here!
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Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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Out of curiosity (and my own laziness to Google it all myself), how much did each starting XI cost on Sunday?
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i had a quick a lok and it was nowhere near as much as you would think .... roughly 16m for rangers and 15m for celtic.
You would think that would be far higher
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It would likely be skewed by the number of loan players on show. Were all loanees permanent you’d imagine that the figures would double.
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loan fees were included in the values
posted on 6/4/22
Actual nonsense to say Ryan Kent or Morelos are injury prone. Majority of players get an injury at some point or another
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It didnt seem to concern Leeds?
A guy how averages over 40 games a season isnt injury prone. Saying that you thought Morelos was injury prone who has been injured once since he got here!
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Didn’t it? How do you know it didn’t concern leeds? People buy players who have history of injuries all the time, it doesn’t mean said injury history is not a concern or doesn’t influence the price they’re willing to pay.
Did I think Morelos was injury prone? What I actually said, and I paraphrase somewhat, was that he has had an injury to a part of the body (thigh) where recurrences are not uncommon.
Glad we can concur that 3 weeks isn’t the same as 5 weeks though 👍
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Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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Out of curiosity (and my own laziness to Google it all myself), how much did each starting XI cost on Sunday?
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i had a quick a lok and it was nowhere near as much as you would think .... roughly 16m for rangers and 15m for celtic.
You would think that would be far higher
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It would likely be skewed by the number of loan players on show. Were all loanees permanent you’d imagine that the figures would double.
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loan fees were included in the values
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Which would likely be lower than if the transfers were permanent 🤷♂️
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Actual nonsense to say Ryan Kent or Morelos are injury prone. Majority of players get an injury at some point or another
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the morelos one was particularly funny, he is known for being injury resistant, not the other way around
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Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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Out of curiosity (and my own laziness to Google it all myself), how much did each starting XI cost on Sunday?
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i had a quick a lok and it was nowhere near as much as you would think .... roughly 16m for rangers and 15m for celtic.
You would think that would be far higher
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It would likely be skewed by the number of loan players on show. Were all loanees permanent you’d imagine that the figures would double.
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loan fees were included in the values
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Which would likely be lower than if the transfers were permanent 🤷♂️
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so you think ramsay is worth 16m !!
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Actual nonsense to say Ryan Kent or Morelos are injury prone. Majority of players get an injury at some point or another
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I don’t think anyone is saying their they’re injury prone? What I am saying is that Kent has now had 3 injuries in 4 seasons in the same part of the body, and that I suspect that will have some influence on the amount of money clubs may be willing to pay for him. Similarly Morelos and his current layoff. Not sure why that’s seen as controversial 😂
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Bit late to this party but we always knew this was going to happen and yes they may or may not have the finances to do a full rebuild to challenge for the title. However, I said at the time Rangers fans would happily sacrifice another 3 titles to stop 10. That may well be the case.
I'm not saying we'll definitely win this season or the next 2 but Rangers need a rebuild right through the squad. That's just football. Ange has shown that it is possible and on a relatively modest budget (our starting XI on Sunday cost less than Rangers)
Morelos is a player that if he gets sold will get you a few million but I'm fairly sure fans would be as equally happy to see him run out his contract so long as he helped bring in European money with his goals.
Kent - there is a player there who more often than not flatters to deceive but is still a very talented player so may bring in some money but can you replace him at a fraction of the cost?
Hagi - I've said many times was bought because of his surname and a goal in Europe, I've yet to be convinced he brings anything different to what a homegrown player can do. If you can make some money off his surname then do it and promote the boy Lowry into a regular
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Out of curiosity (and my own laziness to Google it all myself), how much did each starting XI cost on Sunday?
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i had a quick a lok and it was nowhere near as much as you would think .... roughly 16m for rangers and 15m for celtic.
You would think that would be far higher
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It would likely be skewed by the number of loan players on show. Were all loanees permanent you’d imagine that the figures would double.
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loan fees were included in the values
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Which would likely be lower than if the transfers were permanent 🤷♂️
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so you think ramsay is worth 16m !!
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/aaron-ramsey/marktwertverlauf/spieler/50057
Suggests his market value has been around there relatively recently (in the 2020s). I’m not saying I would pay that for him.
posted on 6/4/22
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comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
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Actual nonsense to say Ryan Kent or Morelos are injury prone. Majority of players get an injury at some point or another
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the morelos one was particularly funny, he is known for being injury resistant, not the other way around
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If you choose to either deliberately or erroneously misinterpret what people are saying in good faith, then I’m sure lots of things can be funny 🤷♂️
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comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
Actual nonsense to say Ryan Kent or Morelos are injury prone. Majority of players get an injury at some point or another
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I don’t think anyone is saying their they’re injury prone? What I am saying is that Kent has now had 3 injuries in 4 seasons in the same part of the body, and that I suspect that will have some influence on the amount of money clubs may be willing to pay for him. Similarly Morelos and his current layoff. Not sure why that’s seen as controversial 😂
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"repeat injuries are common", thats the same as injury prone.
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