Sancho
Probably Shaw and Varane if they can stay fit.
Bruno possibly. Though that isn't a guarantee by any means.

I think that's it.

Ddg

Shaw
Lindelof
Dalot

Bruno
McT
Sancho
Rashford
Greenwood
Elanga

Garnacho- Hannibal- Elanga- Varane - Sancho - Rashford?? - Donny - DeGea - McNeil - Garner.

Oh soz, current.. my bad.
Sancho - DeGea - Rashford?? - Varane - Elanga - McT

Can someone who thinks De Gea would be a player Ten Hag wants to keep explain why a coach who favours playing out from the back using bold passing, and who plays a high defensive line, would see a keeper who is uncomfortable on the ball, unreliable at passing and reluctant to sweep as a good fit?

I wouldn't be surprised if Fred and Maguire are regulars under Ten Hag. Sancho should thrive. Shaw if he stays fit. I think Bruno could be the one unpredictable player in the XI that's accommodated by a more rigorous overall structure (with Pogba and Ronaldo gone by 2023).

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can someone who thinks De Gea would be a player Ten Hag wants to keep explain why a coach who favours playing out from the back using bold passing, and who plays a high defensive line, would see a keeper who is uncomfortable on the ball, unreliable at passing and reluctant to sweep as a good fit?
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He likes Edurne's music?

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
Can someone who thinks De Gea would be a player Ten Hag wants to keep explain why a coach who favours playing out from the back using bold passing, and who plays a high defensive line, would see a keeper who is uncomfortable on the ball, unreliable at passing and reluctant to sweep as a good fit?
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But he makes saves that look good on tv now and then...

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
Can someone who thinks De Gea would be a player Ten Hag wants to keep explain why a coach who favours playing out from the back using bold passing, and who plays a high defensive line, would see a keeper who is uncomfortable on the ball, unreliable at passing and reluctant to sweep as a good fit?
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I can still see DeGea being here, he may be getting phased out at that point, but I still see him here in ‘23.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
I wouldn't be surprised if Fred and Maguire are regulars under Ten Hag. Sancho should thrive. Shaw if he stays fit. I think Bruno could be the one unpredictable player in the XI that's accommodated by a more rigorous overall structure (with Pogba and Ronaldo gone by 2023).
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Why would you think De Gea wouldn't be a choice due to a high line, bearing in mind he's made the second most saves in the league this season but Maguire would be a choice who not only is slow and completely not suited to a high line but has also been awful?

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
I wouldn't be surprised if Fred and Maguire are regulars under Ten Hag. Sancho should thrive. Shaw if he stays fit. I think Bruno could be the one unpredictable player in the XI that's accommodated by a more rigorous overall structure (with Pogba and Ronaldo gone by 2023).
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Why would you think De Gea wouldn't be a choice due to a high line, bearing in mind he's made the second most saves in the league this season but Maguire would be a choice who not only is slow and completely not suited to a high line but has also been awful?
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Second most saves isn't a factor in playing a high line tho

It's more that he largely refuses to leave his line and is absolutely rubbish distribution wise

Maguire's lack of pace is always an issue imo, but with a keeper prepared to come off his line and sweep up its a little less of an issue

I'd gladly see both replaced

I wouldn't begin to guess, tbh... Who really knows enough about ETH to really know?

Anyway, here are my guesses:

AWB
Varane
Fred
Beekers!
Bruno
Rashers
Sancho

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
I wouldn't be surprised if Fred and Maguire are regulars under Ten Hag. Sancho should thrive. Shaw if he stays fit. I think Bruno could be the one unpredictable player in the XI that's accommodated by a more rigorous overall structure (with Pogba and Ronaldo gone by 2023).
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Why would you think De Gea wouldn't be a choice due to a high line, bearing in mind he's made the second most saves in the league this season but Maguire would be a choice who not only is slow and completely not suited to a high line but has also been awful?
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It's a valid question. Of our CBs Maguire is statistically the one who is best at ball progression through passing and advancing with the ball. This is a key requirement in ETH's system. As for his 'being awful', I think his flaws have been magnified by United's abject state this season: a side that is incapable of pressing for more than 20 minutes our of 90, lacks a single specialist DM in his prime, and basically can't defend as a team. Above all, we have structural issues, which mean the defence is operating under stress conditions for extended periods, and it's in chaotic conditions that mistakes happen. Lindelof and Varane have made plenty as well. But in today's hysterical environment it seems a large section of the football audience wants to pick out an individual for blame.

In a more settled team structure, Maguire has been in good form for England. I believe in a United side that has a DM who properly understands how to protect space and retain possession, a goalkeeper (as Shugs said) who can sweep, and where the team has been coached well to compress space out of possession and move 'automatically' to create passing angles to progress the ball from the back, it will look very different. Maguire will still have shortcomings that will be occasionally exposed, but then very few players don't. There are lots of examples of relatively slow defenders playing in successful teams with a high line. Mats Hummels for instance.

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
posted 7 minutes ago
I wouldn't begin to guess, tbh... Who really knows enough about ETH to really know?

Anyway, here are my guesses:

AWB
Varane
Fred
Beekers!
Bruno
Rashers
Sancho

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JSPC, I'm curious to see AWB in your list. Is it because you think he's a good fit as he is or because you suspect ETH can unlock something that takes him to another level?

Just a bit of a gut feeling. We saw little signs of AWB doing well moving quickly up and down the line and getting a few crosses in... It was sporadic, but something that would be improved upon.

Unlock something? Yeh, the door, see ya.

De gea will see out his final year then leave on a free

I guess De Gea will still be here in 2 years time simply because of his wage. Its why our rebuild it a lot tricker than other teams because we will have a very hard time shifting quite a lot of this squad who wont be offered a similar wage anywhere else.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 9 minutes ago
I guess De Gea will still be here in 2 years time simply because of his wage. Its why our rebuild it a lot tricker than other teams because we will have a very hard time shifting quite a lot of this squad who wont be offered a similar wage anywhere else.
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Doesn't his contract expire in summer 2023?

Under which of our managers has DDG been asked to play as the sweeper keeper role, and failed?

I must have missed it but it has to have happened for so many to have determined he cannot do it.

We have much bigger issues to fix this summer than the goalkeeper. He can wait.

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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
I wouldn't be surprised if Fred and Maguire are regulars under Ten Hag. Sancho should thrive. Shaw if he stays fit. I think Bruno could be the one unpredictable player in the XI that's accommodated by a more rigorous overall structure (with Pogba and Ronaldo gone by 2023).
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Why would you think De Gea wouldn't be a choice due to a high line, bearing in mind he's made the second most saves in the league this season but Maguire would be a choice who not only is slow and completely not suited to a high line but has also been awful?
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It's a valid question. Of our CBs Maguire is statistically the one who is best at ball progression through passing and advancing with the ball. This is a key requirement in ETH's system. As for his 'being awful', I think his flaws have been magnified by United's abject state this season: a side that is incapable of pressing for more than 20 minutes our of 90, lacks a single specialist DM in his prime, and basically can't defend as a team. Above all, we have structural issues, which mean the defence is operating under stress conditions for extended periods, and it's in chaotic conditions that mistakes happen. Lindelof and Varane have made plenty as well. But in today's hysterical environment it seems a large section of the football audience wants to pick out an individual for blame.

In a more settled team structure, Maguire has been in good form for England. I believe in a United side that has a DM who properly understands how to protect space and retain possession, a goalkeeper (as Shugs said) who can sweep, and where the team has been coached well to compress space out of possession and move 'automatically' to create passing angles to progress the ball from the back, it will look very different. Maguire will still have shortcomings that will be occasionally exposed, but then very few players don't. There are lots of examples of relatively slow defenders playing in successful teams with a high line. Mats Hummels for instance.
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Fair point. However Hummels was a lot more mobile than Maguire and much better positionally and much less clumsy. I'd imagine there will be several players still at the club who can't play the system the new manager wants and therefore the system will need tweaked over time as players leave and come. If I were the manager I'd think De Gea would be one I'd be able to work with whilst sorting the rest out.

I remember Leciester trying to play a high line against us a few years back and Maguire was all over the place. He even brought Salah down and somehow escaped a red, when Salah would have been clean through on goal. He did the same with Mane in a later game, which somehow was also given as a yellow. He is a liability in a team who wants to play a high line and dominate possession, even if he is decent on the ball as he is not only slow and immobile but panics under pressure.

Loads of rumours flying about but one was that Erik has identified full-backs as a problem position and is prepared to lose AWB.

comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
Loads of rumours flying about but one was that Erik has identified full-backs as a problem position and is prepared to lose AWB.
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He's not wrong. Fullbacks and CM's are out weakest position.

Our CB's wouldn't look anywhere near as bad with good Midfielders and fullbacks playing with them.