People have never seen Hakim Ziyech play have they?

“Bruno king of wasting possession game suits Ten Hags philosophy?”

The key elements of Ten Hag ball:

- Proactivity in everything that happens on the pitch

On the ball:
- Progressive passing and ball-carrying
- Chance creation over possession for possession’s sake
- Eagerness to find space and willingness to show for the ball
- Third man runs to create gaps
- Switching positions to make best use of space
- Focus on progression through the half spaces

Off the ball:
- Commitment in the press, engaging high up the pitch
- Quick return to compact shape

I mean, he’s not actually miles away from being the perfect ETH ten.

Ten Hag isn’t LVG: he’s not interested in keeping the ball for 90 mins.

He doesn’t care if his players give the ball away trying to create chances, provided they work hard to win it back quickly.

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think we’re going to be stuck with Ronaldo anyway. He wants to play for teams that challenge for big prizes but they don’t want him.
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I don’t blame them either. They clearly saw what happened to us last season.

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robb 🎶 Chrissy, wake up! 🎶 (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Robb 🎶 Chrissy, wake up! 🎶 (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
Let’s just remember though that the season before Ronaldo joined Martial scored a grand total of 7 goals in 45 games.
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And we played better with him in the team than we did with Ronaldo.
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Not so much in 20/21. A lot of the football was poor and relied on Bruno dragging us through games. Rash too and to a lesser extent Greenwood.

There’s a legit argument that if Rash and Bruno weren’t exhausted from keeping Ole in a job before 21/22 and if Greenwood hadn’t done a naughty that we’d have been fine with Ronaldo in the side. He’s the escape goat but he walked into a side with a myriad of existing problems.
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For the sake of trying to prove that Ronaldo is the problem, these imbeciles have made it up in their head we were playing beautiful football under Ole. I suppose they are right we were playing better and going nowhere. They would also have you believe we would've kicked on without Ronaldo last year. Likes of Scott Mctominay and Ole taking us to the glory days
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Yeh, nobody has said that at all. But keep on with your usual strawman BS, because you are unable to make a coherent argument of any kind.
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Keep quiet!!

He's right though.

You and a couple others have this weird habit of making up things that other people have said, and then getting angry at said made up things. Pretty much this whole thread is you and Nolhman doing just that actually.

It's pretty odd behaviour.

Keep quiet!!

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If only you would take your own advice. You really are one of the thickest people ever to grace the United board.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 13 minutes ago
Keep quiet!!

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If only you would take your own advice. You really are one of the thickest people ever to grace the United board.
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Here here.

comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 20 minutes ago
Ronaldo. Obviously. Ronaldo was better last season than martial has ever been in his career

what a ridiculous question.
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But the team wasn't clearly. Are you more bothered about Ronaldo doing well or the whole team?
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ronaldo was not the problem.

He was the solution to us not finishing in the bottom half.
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So a team that has never come close to finishing bottom half would have finished bottom half? The nonsense on here.

comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by Robb 🎶 Chrissy, wake up! 🎶 (U22716)
posted 26 seconds ago
Yeah but we had Ole Robb who you and everyone else said was total rubbish so you can't have it both ways even though you're blatantly doing that now.
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He was hence why no clubs are touching him with a barge pole. He was extremely lucky Bruno saved his job for a while but when Bruno’s form suffered Ole didn’t have anywhere to hide.

No matter who our manager is there is a level we’ll never fall below. So when a player or two is carrying us we’ll always be up and around the other big sides. Doesn’t mean there was any kind of amazing gameplan nor did we ever challenge for top prizes. Even the Europa run was a result of failure.
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Well if so.... you can't say liverpool Chelsea and Spurs all had issues then can you if we had a terrible manager???

Surely we had one big problem too then right?

Jaime Carragher said before Ronaldo had even kicked a ball last season that he'd score goals but the team wouldn't improve and might even go backwards. How right he was.
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Plenty of football writers wrote it at the time. I didn’t want it to be true but it turned out that way.

What would have been the alternative though? Assuming we wouldn’t have bought an attacker if Ronaldo didn’t come..

Martial was terrible before Ronaldo joined
Rashford was dead on his feet before Ronaldo joined
Greenwood only played half a season

We only finished 9 points ahead of 11th place so without Ronaldo we may well have been a bit screwed for goals.

comment by Robb 🎶 Chrissy, wake up! 🎶 (U22716)
posted 11 minutes ago
What would have been the alternative though? Assuming we wouldn’t have bought an attacker if Ronaldo didn’t come..

Martial was terrible before Ronaldo joined
Rashford was dead on his feet before Ronaldo joined
Greenwood only played half a season

We only finished 9 points ahead of 11th place so without Ronaldo we may well have been a bit screwed for goals.
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We were screwed for goals and he was a big reason for that. A couple of hat tricks has really pulled the wool over your eyes. Between December and March he was beyond abysmal.

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robb 🎶 Chrissy, wake up! 🎶 (U22716)
posted 11 minutes ago
What would have been the alternative though? Assuming we wouldn’t have bought an attacker if Ronaldo didn’t come..

Martial was terrible before Ronaldo joined
Rashford was dead on his feet before Ronaldo joined
Greenwood only played half a season

We only finished 9 points ahead of 11th place so without Ronaldo we may well have been a bit screwed for goals.
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We were screwed for goals and he was a big reason for that. A couple of hat tricks has really pulled the wool over your eyes. Between December and March he was beyond abysmal.
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The whole team were dismal. He still scored more in the PL than anyone bar Son and Salah and only one more hattrick than them.

We had no one else in the squad that would have replaced his goals as players came into the season with pre existing problems. When we look back at last season there were many issues already at the club that were like timebombs waiting to go off and while I accept Ronaldo isn’t really going to fit into ETH’s style of play, it’s a bit silly to suggest that it’s Ronaldo’s fault last season happened the way it did.

comment by Robb 🎶 Chrissy, wake up! 🎶 (U22716)
posted 35 minutes ago
What would have been the alternative though? Assuming we wouldn’t have bought an attacker if Ronaldo didn’t come..

Martial was terrible before Ronaldo joined
Rashford was dead on his feet before Ronaldo joined
Greenwood only played half a season

We only finished 9 points ahead of 11th place so without Ronaldo we may well have been a bit screwed for goals.
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Why do you assume that we wouldn't have signed an attacker though?

Ultimately none of us can say what would have happened, but it is entirely possible that the team would have played better as a unit and that the goals would be been spread more evenly throughout the team.

comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
He's right though.

You and a couple others have this weird habit of making up things that other people have said, and then getting angry at said made up things. Pretty much this whole thread is you and Nolhman doing just that actually.

It's pretty odd behaviour.
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It weird isn't it?

Rob, maybe Bruno would have carried us still. I don’t think he plays as well with Ronaldo as he does our other attackers.

It’s why getting rid of Ronaldo, and playing with a more dynamic front line, will be best for the team. It’s not just about next season either but for the coming years.

Why do you assume that we wouldn't have signed an attacker though?
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I think it’s pretty likely we wouldn’t as we weren’t really ever linked with one after getting Sancho and would have gone into the season with

Cavani
Sancho
Rash
Martial
Greenwood

So I’m sure Ronaldo wasn’t the result of being the best choice of attackers we wanted. More a guy we signed because we could. With the way it turned out for all those attackers I can only imagine how bad our season could have been without his goals as the other players all had issues independent of Ronnie.

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 56 seconds ago
Rob, maybe Bruno would have carried us still. I don’t think he plays as well with Ronaldo as he does our other attackers.

It’s why getting rid of Ronaldo, and playing with a more dynamic front line, will be best for the team. It’s not just about next season either but for the coming years.
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Maybe - and remember, I really don’t mind if we sell Ronaldo. I’d happily drive him to Chelsea if the clubs could agree a deal. But if Ronaldo does go I’m really not confident in what we have remaining at the club to be enough so I’d hope at the very least we’d bring in an Antony and/or a Broja

Call me crazy but I’d even take Mitrovic as he played pretty well in a fluid attack at Fulham

We’d definitely sign another attacker. But I think we’ll be stuck with him anyway. Hopefully we still bring in Antony.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Keep quiet!!

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If only you would take your own advice. You really are one of the thickest people ever to grace the United board.
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The amount of times I’ve had to correct this old fool over basic words. I wonder what that makes you.

comment by Robb 🎶 Chrissy, wake up! 🎶 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
Why do you assume that we wouldn't have signed an attacker though?
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I think it’s pretty likely we wouldn’t as we weren’t really ever linked with one after getting Sancho and would have gone into the season with

Cavani
Sancho
Rash
Martial
Greenwood

So I’m sure Ronaldo wasn’t the result of being the best choice of attackers we wanted. More a guy we signed because we could. With the way it turned out for all those attackers I can only imagine how bad our season could have been without his goals as the other players all had issues independent of Ronnie.


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There is just no way of knowing. We might have been better without him. As others have said, Bruno might have scored a lot more.

comment by Robb 🎶 Chrissy, wake up! 🎶 (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Call me crazy but I’d even take Mitrovic as he played pretty well in a fluid attack at Fulham
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Yeh, I did mention him when Lukaku left. Would have bee a decent option.

There was a rumour of Dembele from Lyon the other day. There was a lot of hype around him a few years ago, seems to have gone off the radar.

I’m interested to see how Edouard does at Palace actually. Doesn’t score enough goals yet but he’s still he kind of dynamic forward I could see some of the bigger clubs looking at if he can kick on.

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Keep quiet!!

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If only you would take your own advice. You really are one of the thickest people ever to grace the United board.
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The amount of times I’ve had to correct this old fool over basic words. I wonder what that makes you.
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The problem is you do not correct anyone because you end up posting something they have not said. For some reason you and Nohlman seem to do this frequently as this thread shows.