I will be switching everything off and just running basics like TV and light switches, charging laptop and phone. I will have no hot water if I have to, I won`t use the shower, I would rather stink than be ripped off.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Scary times and for me, this is when big business has to step in and help consumers - social responsibility is critical.
BUT
You should consider that the supply side of these energy companies, like British Gas, aren’t seeing an increase in profits. Most are quite considerably down on the previous year.
The profit is coming from the part of the business that extracts the oil and gas.
So these companies aren’t using consumer price rises to make lots more money.
Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be adjusting their businesses to help, but it’s quite an important point in the context of the discussion, I think.
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I think this is incorrect. These b*stards always announce record profits in these sort of situations. If I'm proven wrong fair enough, but my understanding is that while wholesale energy prices have gone up significantly, the price hikes are way beyond that and as a result the energy giants are making billions out of our misery and poverty.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 minutes ago
In future we need to elect a PM and a deputy PM who will stand in if the standing Prime Minister dies, resigns or gets sacked.
At the moment, the immediate future of the country lies in the hands of someone who will be elected by a bunch of comfortably well-off retirees living in the Home Counties.
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You don't vote for the PM. You never have.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 minutes ago
In future we need to elect a PM and a deputy PM who will stand in if the standing Prime Minister dies, resigns or gets sacked.
At the moment, the immediate future of the country lies in the hands of someone who will be elected by a bunch of comfortably well-off retirees living in the Home Counties.
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We don't elect a PM though, we elect an MP.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 4 hours, 2 minutes ago
I was on a work zoom call a few weeks back and we were just talking about the fact that the government's plans to essentially stop workers unions and remove their right to strike. One woman shouted "Good". I didn't say anything as I was at work and had to remain professional but to be honest, I could have throttled the feckin' beatch. What have we come to as a country when the people don't support the rights of people? Sure, it's an inconvenience but if it weren't for unions you would have minimum wage, holiday pay, weekends off and many, many more privileges. It's astonishing that people can't see that what Mick Lynch is doing isn't just fighting for his group, he's fighting for all of us. If you remove the right to protest, the right to strike and the right to fight against injustice, how on earth can you change the status quo?
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Didn't Starmer sack one of his ministers for joining the Picket line, New New Labour
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Scary times and for me, this is when big business has to step in and help consumers - social responsibility is critical.
BUT
You should consider that the supply side of these energy companies, like British Gas, aren’t seeing an increase in profits. Most are quite considerably down on the previous year.
The profit is coming from the part of the business that extracts the oil and gas.
So these companies aren’t using consumer price rises to make lots more money.
Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be adjusting their businesses to help, but it’s quite an important point in the context of the discussion, I think.
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I think this is incorrect. These b*stards always announce record profits in these sort of situations. If I'm proven wrong fair enough, but my understanding is that while wholesale energy prices have gone up significantly, the price hikes are way beyond that and as a result the energy giants are making billions out of our misery and poverty.
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It’s not incorrect.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
Scary times and for me, this is when big business has to step in and help consumers - social responsibility is critical.
BUT
You should consider that the supply side of these energy companies, like British Gas, aren’t seeing an increase in profits. Most are quite considerably down on the previous year.
The profit is coming from the part of the business that extracts the oil and gas.
So these companies aren’t using consumer price rises to make lots more money.
Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be adjusting their businesses to help, but it’s quite an important point in the context of the discussion, I think.
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So if I bought a plot of strawberries, and all the other strawberries in the world perished except for mine, and if I then put the price of my strawberries up * 10,000%, then it would be my fault that the price of strawberries were going up, UNLESS I separated my company into 2 parts, with one part (the one that makes all the money) picking the strawberries and selling them to the other part, because in that case, the poor old 2nd part wouldn't be making any more profit at all, and after all it's the 2nd part that counts because that's the part that's interacting with the customer.
comment by Just another Spurs and England fan (U22695)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
Scary times and for me, this is when big business has to step in and help consumers - social responsibility is critical.
BUT
You should consider that the supply side of these energy companies, like British Gas, aren’t seeing an increase in profits. Most are quite considerably down on the previous year.
The profit is coming from the part of the business that extracts the oil and gas.
So these companies aren’t using consumer price rises to make lots more money.
Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be adjusting their businesses to help, but it’s quite an important point in the context of the discussion, I think.
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So if I bought a plot of strawberries, and all the other strawberries in the world perished except for mine, and if I then put the price of my strawberries up * 10,000%, then it would be my fault that the price of strawberries were going up, UNLESS I separated my company into 2 parts, with one part (the one that makes all the money) picking the strawberries and selling them to the other part, because in that case, the poor old 2nd part wouldn't be making any more profit at all, and after all it's the 2nd part that counts because that's the part that's interacting with the customer.
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There’s so much wrong with that, it’s hard to know where to start.
It certainly has nothing to do with what I said.
comment by Angus Young (U3979)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 minutes ago
In future we need to elect a PM and a deputy PM who will stand in if the standing Prime Minister dies, resigns or gets sacked.
At the moment, the immediate future of the country lies in the hands of someone who will be elected by a bunch of comfortably well-off retirees living in the Home Counties.
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You don't vote for the PM. You never have.
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You do, they trick you into thinking you're voting for a party.
Theresa May wouldn't have won with the same majority as Johnson (assuming she even won) in 2019 despite the fact her ideas were more credible and she's infinately more honest.
I still can’t get my head around how people will vote for this lot again. Mental.
Those that say there is no alternative have been sold that lie by Murdock’s media.
There is alternative. It doesn’t have to be like this.
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 6 minutes ago
I still can’t get my head around how people will vote for this lot again. Mental.
Those that say there is no alternative have been sold that lie by Murdock’s media.
There is alternative. It doesn’t have to be like this.
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Because people prefer to stick with what they know rather than take a punt on something different.
I'm not even a huge Labour supporter but it makes my blood boil when some nob interviewed on the street says "It would probably be worse under Labour"
They must have a fekin good memory then because this shower will have been in power for 14 years come the next election.
Rant over.
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I strongly suspect that this £400 payment towards energy bills has been used as the perfect excuse for the energy companies to add at least £400 to the price increase that's coming.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 6 minutes ago
I still can’t get my head around how people will vote for this lot again. Mental.
Those that say there is no alternative have been sold that lie by Murdock’s media.
There is alternative. It doesn’t have to be like this.
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Because people prefer to stick with what they know rather than take a punt on something different.
I'm not even a huge Labour supporter but it makes my blood boil when some nob interviewed on the street says "It would probably be worse under Labour"
They must have a fekin good memory then because this shower will have been in power for 14 years come the next election.
Rant over.
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The strikes that are coming are due to 14 years of austerity.
The tories can blame everything they like, they decimated this country long before covid.
Lack of police - austerity
Lack of nurses - austerity
Lack of firefighters - austerity
Social workers, dentists, teachers - austerity austerity austerity
If you vote this lot in again, there will be no public service left. That’s not a threat, it’s a fact.
I work in the public sector and due to austerity, my wages are down 12 grand on where they should be over the last twelve years.
They carry on like this and we won’t be able to stay in these jobs.
Then you’ll be recruiting the type of people that will work for minimum wage, not necessarily the type of people you want fixing your teeth, putting out your fires and teaching your kids.
I almost beg people to wake up before it’s too late. It’s really is that bad right now. That’s 12 years of Tory rule for you.
Good thread but i fear this will be the first of many similar as sadly things are only going to get a lot lot worse for far longer than they are willing to tell us.
Buckle up.
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 6 minutes ago
I still can’t get my head around how people will vote for this lot again. Mental.
Those that say there is no alternative have been sold that lie by Murdock’s media.
There is alternative. It doesn’t have to be like this.
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Because people prefer to stick with what they know rather than take a punt on something different.
I'm not even a huge Labour supporter but it makes my blood boil when some nob interviewed on the street says "It would probably be worse under Labour"
They must have a fekin good memory then because this shower will have been in power for 14 years come the next election.
Rant over.
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The strikes that are coming are due to 14 years of austerity.
The tories can blame everything they like, they decimated this country long before covid.
Lack of police - austerity
Lack of nurses - austerity
Lack of firefighters - austerity
Social workers, dentists, teachers - austerity austerity austerity
If you vote this lot in again, there will be no public service left. That’s not a threat, it’s a fact.
I work in the public sector and due to austerity, my wages are down 12 grand on where they should be over the last twelve years.
They carry on like this and we won’t be able to stay in these jobs.
Then you’ll be recruiting the type of people that will work for minimum wage, not necessarily the type of people you want fixing your teeth, putting out your fires and teaching your kids.
I almost beg people to wake up before it’s too late. It’s really is that bad right now. That’s 12 years of Tory rule for you.
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Good post Smeg, and genuinely heartfelt.
Unfortunately you have voters like Dave who continue to vote Tory, and make excuses for the Tories. I seriously don't know how bad it has to get for voters like him to not vote Tory. Frankly it shows a complete lack of intelligence, and I am all right Jack attitude to keep putting your cross next to a Tory Candidate.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 32 minutes ago
Awfully coincidental timing, given you also stopped replying to me.
Anyway, if you ever do decide to make a meaningful point then maybe an interesting discussion might break out.
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I stopped replying because you have the dubious reputation of dragging threads out ad nauseum and I am not prepared to bandy semantics with someone who can never admit he's wrong, or even that another viewpoint is equally as valid as one that you hold.
End.
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 32 minutes ago
Awfully coincidental timing, given you also stopped replying to me.
Anyway, if you ever do decide to make a meaningful point then maybe an interesting discussion might break out.
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I stopped replying because you have the dubious reputation of dragging threads out ad nauseum and I am not prepared to bandy semantics with someone who can never admit he's wrong, or even that another viewpoint is equally as valid as one that you hold.
End.
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And there it is… come on, offer nothing, turn it into an argument and then blame someone else.
Grow up.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 6 minutes ago
I still can’t get my head around how people will vote for this lot again. Mental.
Those that say there is no alternative have been sold that lie by Murdock’s media.
There is alternative. It doesn’t have to be like this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because people prefer to stick with what they know rather than take a punt on something different.
I'm not even a huge Labour supporter but it makes my blood boil when some nob interviewed on the street says "It would probably be worse under Labour"
They must have a fekin good memory then because this shower will have been in power for 14 years come the next election.
Rant over.
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The strikes that are coming are due to 14 years of austerity.
The tories can blame everything they like, they decimated this country long before covid.
Lack of police - austerity
Lack of nurses - austerity
Lack of firefighters - austerity
Social workers, dentists, teachers - austerity austerity austerity
If you vote this lot in again, there will be no public service left. That’s not a threat, it’s a fact.
I work in the public sector and due to austerity, my wages are down 12 grand on where they should be over the last twelve years.
They carry on like this and we won’t be able to stay in these jobs.
Then you’ll be recruiting the type of people that will work for minimum wage, not necessarily the type of people you want fixing your teeth, putting out your fires and teaching your kids.
I almost beg people to wake up before it’s too late. It’s really is that bad right now. That’s 12 years of Tory rule for you.
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Good post Smeg, and genuinely heartfelt.
Unfortunately you have voters like Dave who continue to vote Tory, and make excuses for the Tories. I seriously don't know how bad it has to get for voters like him to not vote Tory. Frankly it shows a complete lack of intelligence, and I am all right Jack attitude to keep putting your cross next to a Tory Candidate.
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Interestingly, I think those “I’m alright Jack” voters will soon find themselves not alright. This will hit everyone sadly. I think the end of the Tories was already happening and truss will certainly be the final nail.
I fear the damage is done though and I don’t envy who ends up with the task of sorting this mess out.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Just another Spurs and England fan (U22695)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
Scary times and for me, this is when big business has to step in and help consumers - social responsibility is critical.
BUT
You should consider that the supply side of these energy companies, like British Gas, aren’t seeing an increase in profits. Most are quite considerably down on the previous year.
The profit is coming from the part of the business that extracts the oil and gas.
So these companies aren’t using consumer price rises to make lots more money.
Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be adjusting their businesses to help, but it’s quite an important point in the context of the discussion, I think.
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So if I bought a plot of strawberries, and all the other strawberries in the world perished except for mine, and if I then put the price of my strawberries up * 10,000%, then it would be my fault that the price of strawberries were going up, UNLESS I separated my company into 2 parts, with one part (the one that makes all the money) picking the strawberries and selling them to the other part, because in that case, the poor old 2nd part wouldn't be making any more profit at all, and after all it's the 2nd part that counts because that's the part that's interacting with the customer.
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There’s so much wrong with that, it’s hard to know where to start.
It certainly has nothing to do with what I said.
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What is wrong with it, out of interest? Just the headlines will do. I can’t get my head round any of it.
It should be the end of the Tories for a while but I wouldn’t bank on it.
How many times general elections have Labour politicians actually won?
Not many, and the current opposition hardly scream overwhelming majority to me.
I suspect we may see five years of Labour and then back to the Tories, and if that is the case then I really hope we can move away from the lying, Brexity form of conservatism that we’ve seen from Johnson and Truss.
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Just another Spurs and England fan (U22695)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
Scary times and for me, this is when big business has to step in and help consumers - social responsibility is critical.
BUT
You should consider that the supply side of these energy companies, like British Gas, aren’t seeing an increase in profits. Most are quite considerably down on the previous year.
The profit is coming from the part of the business that extracts the oil and gas.
So these companies aren’t using consumer price rises to make lots more money.
Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be adjusting their businesses to help, but it’s quite an important point in the context of the discussion, I think.
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So if I bought a plot of strawberries, and all the other strawberries in the world perished except for mine, and if I then put the price of my strawberries up * 10,000%, then it would be my fault that the price of strawberries were going up, UNLESS I separated my company into 2 parts, with one part (the one that makes all the money) picking the strawberries and selling them to the other part, because in that case, the poor old 2nd part wouldn't be making any more profit at all, and after all it's the 2nd part that counts because that's the part that's interacting with the customer.
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There’s so much wrong with that, it’s hard to know where to start.
It certainly has nothing to do with what I said.
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What is wrong with it, out of interest? Just the headlines will do. I can’t get my head round any of it.
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The make up of the company, the markets they operate in, the basis for increased pricing and retrospective nature of your scenario, for starters!
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending the energy companies. I’m just saying it’s not quite as simple as them putting their prices up to consumers and making a massive profit in the process.
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 6 minutes ago
I still can’t get my head around how people will vote for this lot again. Mental.
Those that say there is no alternative have been sold that lie by Murdock’s media.
There is alternative. It doesn’t have to be like this.
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Because people prefer to stick with what they know rather than take a punt on something different.
I'm not even a huge Labour supporter but it makes my blood boil when some nob interviewed on the street says "It would probably be worse under Labour"
They must have a fekin good memory then because this shower will have been in power for 14 years come the next election.
Rant over.
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The strikes that are coming are due to 14 years of austerity.
The tories can blame everything they like, they decimated this country long before covid.
Lack of police - austerity
Lack of nurses - austerity
Lack of firefighters - austerity
Social workers, dentists, teachers - austerity austerity austerity
If you vote this lot in again, there will be no public service left. That’s not a threat, it’s a fact.
I work in the public sector and due to austerity, my wages are down 12 grand on where they should be over the last twelve years.
They carry on like this and we won’t be able to stay in these jobs.
Then you’ll be recruiting the type of people that will work for minimum wage, not necessarily the type of people you want fixing your teeth, putting out your fires and teaching your kids.
I almost beg people to wake up before it’s too late. It’s really is that bad right now. That’s 12 years of Tory rule for you.
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I've been 'begging' people to wake up for what is coming for a few years now bud.
A govts job is to take as much from the public as possible and that's what they've done for the past 50yrs. Things would be no different had we had Labour for the past 12years or so but that said, Corbyn may have changed the status quo.....................but the 'establishment' soon got rid of him.
We're living in the controlled demolition of society. We're being squeezed for every last drop until the majority will have no option (other than growing a pair) to accept anything 'they' offer.
Interesting times.
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 6 minutes ago
I still can’t get my head around how people will vote for this lot again. Mental.
Those that say there is no alternative have been sold that lie by Murdock’s media.
There is alternative. It doesn’t have to be like this.
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Because people prefer to stick with what they know rather than take a punt on something different.
I'm not even a huge Labour supporter but it makes my blood boil when some nob interviewed on the street says "It would probably be worse under Labour"
They must have a fekin good memory then because this shower will have been in power for 14 years come the next election.
Rant over.
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The strikes that are coming are due to 14 years of austerity.
The tories can blame everything they like, they decimated this country long before covid.
Lack of police - austerity
Lack of nurses - austerity
Lack of firefighters - austerity
Social workers, dentists, teachers - austerity austerity austerity
If you vote this lot in again, there will be no public service left. That’s not a threat, it’s a fact.
I work in the public sector and due to austerity, my wages are down 12 grand on where they should be over the last twelve years.
They carry on like this and we won’t be able to stay in these jobs.
Then you’ll be recruiting the type of people that will work for minimum wage, not necessarily the type of people you want fixing your teeth, putting out your fires and teaching your kids.
I almost beg people to wake up before it’s too late. It’s really is that bad right now. That’s 12 years of Tory rule for you.
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I've been 'begging' people to wake up for what is coming for a few years now bud.
A govts job is to take as much from the public as possible and that's what they've done for the past 50yrs. Things would be no different had we had Labour for the past 12years or so but that said, Corbyn may have changed the status quo.....................but the 'establishment' soon got rid of him.
We're living in the controlled demolition of society. We're being squeezed for every last drop until the majority will have no option (other than growing a pair) to accept anything 'they' offer.
Interesting times.
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You can only push the population so far. After that it usually ends up in a Revolution. Recent events in Sri Lanka show you push people to far, then eventually they take to the streets in very large numbers.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 6 minutes ago
I still can’t get my head around how people will vote for this lot again. Mental.
Those that say there is no alternative have been sold that lie by Murdock’s media.
There is alternative. It doesn’t have to be like this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because people prefer to stick with what they know rather than take a punt on something different.
I'm not even a huge Labour supporter but it makes my blood boil when some nob interviewed on the street says "It would probably be worse under Labour"
They must have a fekin good memory then because this shower will have been in power for 14 years come the next election.
Rant over.
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The strikes that are coming are due to 14 years of austerity.
The tories can blame everything they like, they decimated this country long before covid.
Lack of police - austerity
Lack of nurses - austerity
Lack of firefighters - austerity
Social workers, dentists, teachers - austerity austerity austerity
If you vote this lot in again, there will be no public service left. That’s not a threat, it’s a fact.
I work in the public sector and due to austerity, my wages are down 12 grand on where they should be over the last twelve years.
They carry on like this and we won’t be able to stay in these jobs.
Then you’ll be recruiting the type of people that will work for minimum wage, not necessarily the type of people you want fixing your teeth, putting out your fires and teaching your kids.
I almost beg people to wake up before it’s too late. It’s really is that bad right now. That’s 12 years of Tory rule for you.
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I've been 'begging' people to wake up for what is coming for a few years now bud.
A govts job is to take as much from the public as possible and that's what they've done for the past 50yrs. Things would be no different had we had Labour for the past 12years or so but that said, Corbyn may have changed the status quo.....................but the 'establishment' soon got rid of him.
We're living in the controlled demolition of society. We're being squeezed for every last drop until the majority will have no option (other than growing a pair) to accept anything 'they' offer.
Interesting times.
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You can only push the population so far. After that it usually ends up in a Revolution. Recent events in Sri Lanka show you push people to far, then eventually they take to the streets in very large numbers.
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Which sadly has changed nothing.
Look what the political classes done to those in Canada because they dared to go against ridiculous govt policies. The same in NZ, Australia, Holland and many many more.
People have forgotten the purpose of govt. It's been systematically drummed out of them.
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posted on 9/8/22
I will be switching everything off and just running basics like TV and light switches, charging laptop and phone. I will have no hot water if I have to, I won`t use the shower, I would rather stink than be ripped off.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Scary times and for me, this is when big business has to step in and help consumers - social responsibility is critical.
BUT
You should consider that the supply side of these energy companies, like British Gas, aren’t seeing an increase in profits. Most are quite considerably down on the previous year.
The profit is coming from the part of the business that extracts the oil and gas.
So these companies aren’t using consumer price rises to make lots more money.
Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be adjusting their businesses to help, but it’s quite an important point in the context of the discussion, I think.
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I think this is incorrect. These b*stards always announce record profits in these sort of situations. If I'm proven wrong fair enough, but my understanding is that while wholesale energy prices have gone up significantly, the price hikes are way beyond that and as a result the energy giants are making billions out of our misery and poverty.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 minutes ago
In future we need to elect a PM and a deputy PM who will stand in if the standing Prime Minister dies, resigns or gets sacked.
At the moment, the immediate future of the country lies in the hands of someone who will be elected by a bunch of comfortably well-off retirees living in the Home Counties.
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You don't vote for the PM. You never have.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 minutes ago
In future we need to elect a PM and a deputy PM who will stand in if the standing Prime Minister dies, resigns or gets sacked.
At the moment, the immediate future of the country lies in the hands of someone who will be elected by a bunch of comfortably well-off retirees living in the Home Counties.
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We don't elect a PM though, we elect an MP.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 4 hours, 2 minutes ago
I was on a work zoom call a few weeks back and we were just talking about the fact that the government's plans to essentially stop workers unions and remove their right to strike. One woman shouted "Good". I didn't say anything as I was at work and had to remain professional but to be honest, I could have throttled the feckin' beatch. What have we come to as a country when the people don't support the rights of people? Sure, it's an inconvenience but if it weren't for unions you would have minimum wage, holiday pay, weekends off and many, many more privileges. It's astonishing that people can't see that what Mick Lynch is doing isn't just fighting for his group, he's fighting for all of us. If you remove the right to protest, the right to strike and the right to fight against injustice, how on earth can you change the status quo?
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Didn't Starmer sack one of his ministers for joining the Picket line, New New Labour
posted on 9/8/22
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Scary times and for me, this is when big business has to step in and help consumers - social responsibility is critical.
BUT
You should consider that the supply side of these energy companies, like British Gas, aren’t seeing an increase in profits. Most are quite considerably down on the previous year.
The profit is coming from the part of the business that extracts the oil and gas.
So these companies aren’t using consumer price rises to make lots more money.
Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be adjusting their businesses to help, but it’s quite an important point in the context of the discussion, I think.
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I think this is incorrect. These b*stards always announce record profits in these sort of situations. If I'm proven wrong fair enough, but my understanding is that while wholesale energy prices have gone up significantly, the price hikes are way beyond that and as a result the energy giants are making billions out of our misery and poverty.
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It’s not incorrect.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
Scary times and for me, this is when big business has to step in and help consumers - social responsibility is critical.
BUT
You should consider that the supply side of these energy companies, like British Gas, aren’t seeing an increase in profits. Most are quite considerably down on the previous year.
The profit is coming from the part of the business that extracts the oil and gas.
So these companies aren’t using consumer price rises to make lots more money.
Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be adjusting their businesses to help, but it’s quite an important point in the context of the discussion, I think.
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So if I bought a plot of strawberries, and all the other strawberries in the world perished except for mine, and if I then put the price of my strawberries up * 10,000%, then it would be my fault that the price of strawberries were going up, UNLESS I separated my company into 2 parts, with one part (the one that makes all the money) picking the strawberries and selling them to the other part, because in that case, the poor old 2nd part wouldn't be making any more profit at all, and after all it's the 2nd part that counts because that's the part that's interacting with the customer.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by Just another Spurs and England fan (U22695)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
Scary times and for me, this is when big business has to step in and help consumers - social responsibility is critical.
BUT
You should consider that the supply side of these energy companies, like British Gas, aren’t seeing an increase in profits. Most are quite considerably down on the previous year.
The profit is coming from the part of the business that extracts the oil and gas.
So these companies aren’t using consumer price rises to make lots more money.
Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be adjusting their businesses to help, but it’s quite an important point in the context of the discussion, I think.
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So if I bought a plot of strawberries, and all the other strawberries in the world perished except for mine, and if I then put the price of my strawberries up * 10,000%, then it would be my fault that the price of strawberries were going up, UNLESS I separated my company into 2 parts, with one part (the one that makes all the money) picking the strawberries and selling them to the other part, because in that case, the poor old 2nd part wouldn't be making any more profit at all, and after all it's the 2nd part that counts because that's the part that's interacting with the customer.
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There’s so much wrong with that, it’s hard to know where to start.
It certainly has nothing to do with what I said.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by Angus Young (U3979)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 minutes ago
In future we need to elect a PM and a deputy PM who will stand in if the standing Prime Minister dies, resigns or gets sacked.
At the moment, the immediate future of the country lies in the hands of someone who will be elected by a bunch of comfortably well-off retirees living in the Home Counties.
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You don't vote for the PM. You never have.
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You do, they trick you into thinking you're voting for a party.
Theresa May wouldn't have won with the same majority as Johnson (assuming she even won) in 2019 despite the fact her ideas were more credible and she's infinately more honest.
posted on 9/8/22
I still can’t get my head around how people will vote for this lot again. Mental.
Those that say there is no alternative have been sold that lie by Murdock’s media.
There is alternative. It doesn’t have to be like this.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 6 minutes ago
I still can’t get my head around how people will vote for this lot again. Mental.
Those that say there is no alternative have been sold that lie by Murdock’s media.
There is alternative. It doesn’t have to be like this.
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Because people prefer to stick with what they know rather than take a punt on something different.
I'm not even a huge Labour supporter but it makes my blood boil when some nob interviewed on the street says "It would probably be worse under Labour"
They must have a fekin good memory then because this shower will have been in power for 14 years come the next election.
Rant over.
posted on 9/8/22
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posted on 9/8/22
I strongly suspect that this £400 payment towards energy bills has been used as the perfect excuse for the energy companies to add at least £400 to the price increase that's coming.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 6 minutes ago
I still can’t get my head around how people will vote for this lot again. Mental.
Those that say there is no alternative have been sold that lie by Murdock’s media.
There is alternative. It doesn’t have to be like this.
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Because people prefer to stick with what they know rather than take a punt on something different.
I'm not even a huge Labour supporter but it makes my blood boil when some nob interviewed on the street says "It would probably be worse under Labour"
They must have a fekin good memory then because this shower will have been in power for 14 years come the next election.
Rant over.
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The strikes that are coming are due to 14 years of austerity.
The tories can blame everything they like, they decimated this country long before covid.
Lack of police - austerity
Lack of nurses - austerity
Lack of firefighters - austerity
Social workers, dentists, teachers - austerity austerity austerity
If you vote this lot in again, there will be no public service left. That’s not a threat, it’s a fact.
I work in the public sector and due to austerity, my wages are down 12 grand on where they should be over the last twelve years.
They carry on like this and we won’t be able to stay in these jobs.
Then you’ll be recruiting the type of people that will work for minimum wage, not necessarily the type of people you want fixing your teeth, putting out your fires and teaching your kids.
I almost beg people to wake up before it’s too late. It’s really is that bad right now. That’s 12 years of Tory rule for you.
posted on 9/8/22
Good thread but i fear this will be the first of many similar as sadly things are only going to get a lot lot worse for far longer than they are willing to tell us.
Buckle up.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 6 minutes ago
I still can’t get my head around how people will vote for this lot again. Mental.
Those that say there is no alternative have been sold that lie by Murdock’s media.
There is alternative. It doesn’t have to be like this.
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Because people prefer to stick with what they know rather than take a punt on something different.
I'm not even a huge Labour supporter but it makes my blood boil when some nob interviewed on the street says "It would probably be worse under Labour"
They must have a fekin good memory then because this shower will have been in power for 14 years come the next election.
Rant over.
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The strikes that are coming are due to 14 years of austerity.
The tories can blame everything they like, they decimated this country long before covid.
Lack of police - austerity
Lack of nurses - austerity
Lack of firefighters - austerity
Social workers, dentists, teachers - austerity austerity austerity
If you vote this lot in again, there will be no public service left. That’s not a threat, it’s a fact.
I work in the public sector and due to austerity, my wages are down 12 grand on where they should be over the last twelve years.
They carry on like this and we won’t be able to stay in these jobs.
Then you’ll be recruiting the type of people that will work for minimum wage, not necessarily the type of people you want fixing your teeth, putting out your fires and teaching your kids.
I almost beg people to wake up before it’s too late. It’s really is that bad right now. That’s 12 years of Tory rule for you.
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Good post Smeg, and genuinely heartfelt.
Unfortunately you have voters like Dave who continue to vote Tory, and make excuses for the Tories. I seriously don't know how bad it has to get for voters like him to not vote Tory. Frankly it shows a complete lack of intelligence, and I am all right Jack attitude to keep putting your cross next to a Tory Candidate.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 32 minutes ago
Awfully coincidental timing, given you also stopped replying to me.
Anyway, if you ever do decide to make a meaningful point then maybe an interesting discussion might break out.
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I stopped replying because you have the dubious reputation of dragging threads out ad nauseum and I am not prepared to bandy semantics with someone who can never admit he's wrong, or even that another viewpoint is equally as valid as one that you hold.
End.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 32 minutes ago
Awfully coincidental timing, given you also stopped replying to me.
Anyway, if you ever do decide to make a meaningful point then maybe an interesting discussion might break out.
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I stopped replying because you have the dubious reputation of dragging threads out ad nauseum and I am not prepared to bandy semantics with someone who can never admit he's wrong, or even that another viewpoint is equally as valid as one that you hold.
End.
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And there it is… come on, offer nothing, turn it into an argument and then blame someone else.
Grow up.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 6 minutes ago
I still can’t get my head around how people will vote for this lot again. Mental.
Those that say there is no alternative have been sold that lie by Murdock’s media.
There is alternative. It doesn’t have to be like this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because people prefer to stick with what they know rather than take a punt on something different.
I'm not even a huge Labour supporter but it makes my blood boil when some nob interviewed on the street says "It would probably be worse under Labour"
They must have a fekin good memory then because this shower will have been in power for 14 years come the next election.
Rant over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The strikes that are coming are due to 14 years of austerity.
The tories can blame everything they like, they decimated this country long before covid.
Lack of police - austerity
Lack of nurses - austerity
Lack of firefighters - austerity
Social workers, dentists, teachers - austerity austerity austerity
If you vote this lot in again, there will be no public service left. That’s not a threat, it’s a fact.
I work in the public sector and due to austerity, my wages are down 12 grand on where they should be over the last twelve years.
They carry on like this and we won’t be able to stay in these jobs.
Then you’ll be recruiting the type of people that will work for minimum wage, not necessarily the type of people you want fixing your teeth, putting out your fires and teaching your kids.
I almost beg people to wake up before it’s too late. It’s really is that bad right now. That’s 12 years of Tory rule for you.
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Good post Smeg, and genuinely heartfelt.
Unfortunately you have voters like Dave who continue to vote Tory, and make excuses for the Tories. I seriously don't know how bad it has to get for voters like him to not vote Tory. Frankly it shows a complete lack of intelligence, and I am all right Jack attitude to keep putting your cross next to a Tory Candidate.
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Interestingly, I think those “I’m alright Jack” voters will soon find themselves not alright. This will hit everyone sadly. I think the end of the Tories was already happening and truss will certainly be the final nail.
I fear the damage is done though and I don’t envy who ends up with the task of sorting this mess out.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Just another Spurs and England fan (U22695)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
Scary times and for me, this is when big business has to step in and help consumers - social responsibility is critical.
BUT
You should consider that the supply side of these energy companies, like British Gas, aren’t seeing an increase in profits. Most are quite considerably down on the previous year.
The profit is coming from the part of the business that extracts the oil and gas.
So these companies aren’t using consumer price rises to make lots more money.
Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be adjusting their businesses to help, but it’s quite an important point in the context of the discussion, I think.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So if I bought a plot of strawberries, and all the other strawberries in the world perished except for mine, and if I then put the price of my strawberries up * 10,000%, then it would be my fault that the price of strawberries were going up, UNLESS I separated my company into 2 parts, with one part (the one that makes all the money) picking the strawberries and selling them to the other part, because in that case, the poor old 2nd part wouldn't be making any more profit at all, and after all it's the 2nd part that counts because that's the part that's interacting with the customer.
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There’s so much wrong with that, it’s hard to know where to start.
It certainly has nothing to do with what I said.
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What is wrong with it, out of interest? Just the headlines will do. I can’t get my head round any of it.
posted on 9/8/22
It should be the end of the Tories for a while but I wouldn’t bank on it.
How many times general elections have Labour politicians actually won?
Not many, and the current opposition hardly scream overwhelming majority to me.
I suspect we may see five years of Labour and then back to the Tories, and if that is the case then I really hope we can move away from the lying, Brexity form of conservatism that we’ve seen from Johnson and Truss.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Just another Spurs and England fan (U22695)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
Scary times and for me, this is when big business has to step in and help consumers - social responsibility is critical.
BUT
You should consider that the supply side of these energy companies, like British Gas, aren’t seeing an increase in profits. Most are quite considerably down on the previous year.
The profit is coming from the part of the business that extracts the oil and gas.
So these companies aren’t using consumer price rises to make lots more money.
Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be adjusting their businesses to help, but it’s quite an important point in the context of the discussion, I think.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So if I bought a plot of strawberries, and all the other strawberries in the world perished except for mine, and if I then put the price of my strawberries up * 10,000%, then it would be my fault that the price of strawberries were going up, UNLESS I separated my company into 2 parts, with one part (the one that makes all the money) picking the strawberries and selling them to the other part, because in that case, the poor old 2nd part wouldn't be making any more profit at all, and after all it's the 2nd part that counts because that's the part that's interacting with the customer.
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There’s so much wrong with that, it’s hard to know where to start.
It certainly has nothing to do with what I said.
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What is wrong with it, out of interest? Just the headlines will do. I can’t get my head round any of it.
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The make up of the company, the markets they operate in, the basis for increased pricing and retrospective nature of your scenario, for starters!
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending the energy companies. I’m just saying it’s not quite as simple as them putting their prices up to consumers and making a massive profit in the process.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 6 minutes ago
I still can’t get my head around how people will vote for this lot again. Mental.
Those that say there is no alternative have been sold that lie by Murdock’s media.
There is alternative. It doesn’t have to be like this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because people prefer to stick with what they know rather than take a punt on something different.
I'm not even a huge Labour supporter but it makes my blood boil when some nob interviewed on the street says "It would probably be worse under Labour"
They must have a fekin good memory then because this shower will have been in power for 14 years come the next election.
Rant over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The strikes that are coming are due to 14 years of austerity.
The tories can blame everything they like, they decimated this country long before covid.
Lack of police - austerity
Lack of nurses - austerity
Lack of firefighters - austerity
Social workers, dentists, teachers - austerity austerity austerity
If you vote this lot in again, there will be no public service left. That’s not a threat, it’s a fact.
I work in the public sector and due to austerity, my wages are down 12 grand on where they should be over the last twelve years.
They carry on like this and we won’t be able to stay in these jobs.
Then you’ll be recruiting the type of people that will work for minimum wage, not necessarily the type of people you want fixing your teeth, putting out your fires and teaching your kids.
I almost beg people to wake up before it’s too late. It’s really is that bad right now. That’s 12 years of Tory rule for you.
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I've been 'begging' people to wake up for what is coming for a few years now bud.
A govts job is to take as much from the public as possible and that's what they've done for the past 50yrs. Things would be no different had we had Labour for the past 12years or so but that said, Corbyn may have changed the status quo.....................but the 'establishment' soon got rid of him.
We're living in the controlled demolition of society. We're being squeezed for every last drop until the majority will have no option (other than growing a pair) to accept anything 'they' offer.
Interesting times.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 6 minutes ago
I still can’t get my head around how people will vote for this lot again. Mental.
Those that say there is no alternative have been sold that lie by Murdock’s media.
There is alternative. It doesn’t have to be like this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because people prefer to stick with what they know rather than take a punt on something different.
I'm not even a huge Labour supporter but it makes my blood boil when some nob interviewed on the street says "It would probably be worse under Labour"
They must have a fekin good memory then because this shower will have been in power for 14 years come the next election.
Rant over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The strikes that are coming are due to 14 years of austerity.
The tories can blame everything they like, they decimated this country long before covid.
Lack of police - austerity
Lack of nurses - austerity
Lack of firefighters - austerity
Social workers, dentists, teachers - austerity austerity austerity
If you vote this lot in again, there will be no public service left. That’s not a threat, it’s a fact.
I work in the public sector and due to austerity, my wages are down 12 grand on where they should be over the last twelve years.
They carry on like this and we won’t be able to stay in these jobs.
Then you’ll be recruiting the type of people that will work for minimum wage, not necessarily the type of people you want fixing your teeth, putting out your fires and teaching your kids.
I almost beg people to wake up before it’s too late. It’s really is that bad right now. That’s 12 years of Tory rule for you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've been 'begging' people to wake up for what is coming for a few years now bud.
A govts job is to take as much from the public as possible and that's what they've done for the past 50yrs. Things would be no different had we had Labour for the past 12years or so but that said, Corbyn may have changed the status quo.....................but the 'establishment' soon got rid of him.
We're living in the controlled demolition of society. We're being squeezed for every last drop until the majority will have no option (other than growing a pair) to accept anything 'they' offer.
Interesting times.
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You can only push the population so far. After that it usually ends up in a Revolution. Recent events in Sri Lanka show you push people to far, then eventually they take to the streets in very large numbers.
posted on 9/8/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 6 minutes ago
I still can’t get my head around how people will vote for this lot again. Mental.
Those that say there is no alternative have been sold that lie by Murdock’s media.
There is alternative. It doesn’t have to be like this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because people prefer to stick with what they know rather than take a punt on something different.
I'm not even a huge Labour supporter but it makes my blood boil when some nob interviewed on the street says "It would probably be worse under Labour"
They must have a fekin good memory then because this shower will have been in power for 14 years come the next election.
Rant over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The strikes that are coming are due to 14 years of austerity.
The tories can blame everything they like, they decimated this country long before covid.
Lack of police - austerity
Lack of nurses - austerity
Lack of firefighters - austerity
Social workers, dentists, teachers - austerity austerity austerity
If you vote this lot in again, there will be no public service left. That’s not a threat, it’s a fact.
I work in the public sector and due to austerity, my wages are down 12 grand on where they should be over the last twelve years.
They carry on like this and we won’t be able to stay in these jobs.
Then you’ll be recruiting the type of people that will work for minimum wage, not necessarily the type of people you want fixing your teeth, putting out your fires and teaching your kids.
I almost beg people to wake up before it’s too late. It’s really is that bad right now. That’s 12 years of Tory rule for you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've been 'begging' people to wake up for what is coming for a few years now bud.
A govts job is to take as much from the public as possible and that's what they've done for the past 50yrs. Things would be no different had we had Labour for the past 12years or so but that said, Corbyn may have changed the status quo.....................but the 'establishment' soon got rid of him.
We're living in the controlled demolition of society. We're being squeezed for every last drop until the majority will have no option (other than growing a pair) to accept anything 'they' offer.
Interesting times.
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You can only push the population so far. After that it usually ends up in a Revolution. Recent events in Sri Lanka show you push people to far, then eventually they take to the streets in very large numbers.
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Which sadly has changed nothing.
Look what the political classes done to those in Canada because they dared to go against ridiculous govt policies. The same in NZ, Australia, Holland and many many more.
People have forgotten the purpose of govt. It's been systematically drummed out of them.
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