comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 9 hours, 17 minutes ago
Oh yeah, can’t judge as yet either way. I personally thought arsenal were the better team today until arteta lost his head and bought on all them subs. Utd relying on counter attacks at home. Long way to go. But had the first goal stood and Utd lost narratives would be hugely difference as the performances are not great atm
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“Relying on counterattacks at home”
So what?
Do you want reminding of league titles that have been won in England, Spain, France and Germany by teams overwhelmingly relying on counterattacks?
Do you want reminding of some of the most successful seasons in your own club’s history during which the team relied on counterattacks as an integral part of their game, including in home games?
Even Pep Guardiola, in his seventh season at City, with the most valuable squad in world football, which he has shaped and honed and trained to oblivion, sometimes ‘relies’ on counterattacks in home games.
It isn’t some lesser or dirty form of football. It’s as valid as any other approach, and if it works - which it did yesterday wonderfully, given that in the second half Arsenal barely troubled DDG at all, whilst United could have scored three or four on the break - it’s the right approach.
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Yesterday was the classic set up v Arsenal that served us so well under SAF.
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SAF won a ton of games at both Old Trafford and Highbury playing that way
can’t remember any team thars won the league using overwhelmingly counter attacking football. For the odd games yes, but this Utd team don’t have the players to control games imo. And a few games where you scraped through recently don’t convince me. Not poo pooing counter attacking football. We done it in the semis and final of a cl win. But it’s not sustainable long term as the lower sides usually sit back and defend.
Long way to go. Could all change in a couple weeks.
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 52 minutes ago
“he went out and ran 13km with them and showed them all he’s prepared to put his money where his mouth is. ”
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How much money does it cost to run 13Km?
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Roughly 1p to 2p worth of tread.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 9 hours, 17 minutes ago
Oh yeah, can’t judge as yet either way. I personally thought arsenal were the better team today until arteta lost his head and bought on all them subs. Utd relying on counter attacks at home. Long way to go. But had the first goal stood and Utd lost narratives would be hugely difference as the performances are not great atm
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“Relying on counterattacks at home”
So what?
Do you want reminding of league titles that have been won in England, Spain, France and Germany by teams overwhelmingly relying on counterattacks?
Do you want reminding of some of the most successful seasons in your own club’s history during which the team relied on counterattacks as an integral part of their game, including in home games?
Even Pep Guardiola, in his seventh season at City, with the most valuable squad in world football, which he has shaped and honed and trained to oblivion, sometimes ‘relies’ on counterattacks in home games.
It isn’t some lesser or dirty form of football. It’s as valid as any other approach, and if it works - which it did yesterday wonderfully, given that in the second half Arsenal barely troubled DDG at all, whilst United could have scored three or four on the break - it’s the right approach.
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Yesterday was the classic set up v Arsenal that served us so well under SAF.
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Capped with goals from Nantony and Roonford (2).
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 minutes ago
can’t remember any team thars won the league using overwhelmingly counter attacking football. For the odd games yes, but this Utd team don’t have the players to control games imo. And a few games where you scraped through recently don’t convince me. Not poo pooing counter attacking football. We done it in the semis and final of a cl win. But it’s not sustainable long term as the lower sides usually sit back and defend.
Long way to go. Could all change in a couple weeks.
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So what you are saying is we will have to use different tactics against different teams? Groundbreaking. Someone get on the hotline to ETH and let him know.
Nick, it might help your argument if you could define "really poor" in a way that it can match how you say United have been playing, because I think the majority of people would think it's a very low mark.
I mean, in my school days, for example, if your homework was what the teacher considered very poor you'd get like a 2 out of 10.
Have United been a 2 out of 10 in their recent games, or what mark would you give them out of 10?
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
can’t remember any team thars won the league using overwhelmingly counter attacking football. For the odd games yes, but this Utd team don’t have the players to control games imo. And a few games where you scraped through recently don’t convince me. Not poo pooing counter attacking football. We done it in the semis and final of a cl win. But it’s not sustainable long term as the lower sides usually sit back and defend.
Long way to go. Could all change in a couple weeks.
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Leicester won the league with an average of 42.4% possession across the 15/16 season.
They were nearly last in the league in passes completed, and yet they were three goals off the most in the league, whilst underperforming against xG.
Atlético won La Liga with an average of less than 50% of possession.
Before Bayern hired Pep, their entire game was based on clever pressing from a mid-block and then launching counter attacks down the wings. Mourinho’s Real Madrid were devastating at sitting in even deeper and then using Alonso and Khedira to hit the likes of Ronaldo and Di Maria over the top. They did it week-in, week-out.
There’s nothing illegitimate, basic or cheap about even basing your entire game on counterattacking (not that that is where ETH is going to go).
can’t remember any team thars won the league using overwhelmingly counter attacking football
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You support Chelsea.
comment by Robb Stifler (U22716)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 25 minutes ago
A small detail, but in addition to running with the players, the fact that he handled it internally (evidently no media briefing that he'd run with them as that detail came out well after the fact) is good. Sets up a perception among the players that he's not grandstanding, that he's genuine, and only interested in the collective, not the external impressions.
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Plus he doesn’t smile when we lose
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comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
can’t remember any team thars won the league using overwhelmingly counter attacking football
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You support Chelsea.
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Don't watch football? Name a season chelsea have won the league with counter attacking football. We usually dominate possession in 99% of games. And have done since probably the late 90s.
All of Mourinho’s titles and Conte’s.
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
can’t remember any team thars won the league using overwhelmingly counter attacking football. For the odd games yes, but this Utd team don’t have the players to control games imo. And a few games where you scraped through recently don’t convince me. Not poo pooing counter attacking football. We done it in the semis and final of a cl win. But it’s not sustainable long term as the lower sides usually sit back and defend.
Long way to go. Could all change in a couple weeks.
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Leicester won the league with an average of 42.4% possession across the 15/16 season.
They were nearly last in the league in passes completed, and yet they were three goals off the most in the league, whilst underperforming against xG.
Atlético won La Liga with an average of less than 50% of possession.
Before Bayern hired Pep, their entire game was based on clever pressing from a mid-block and then launching counter attacks down the wings. Mourinho’s Real Madrid were devastating at sitting in even deeper and then using Alonso and Khedira to hit the likes of Ronaldo and Di Maria over the top. They did it week-in, week-out.
There’s nothing illegitimate, basic or cheap about even basing your entire game on counterattacking (not that that is where ETH is going to go).
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Atletico had over 50% average when they won la liga. Leicester was probably the biggest miracle of modern day football which will never be repeated.
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
All of Mourinho’s titles and Conte’s.
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my god.
Wow, imagine thinking those Chelsea teams and facking Atletico aren’t counter attacking teams.
Even for you that’s facking reetarded.
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Wow, imagine thinking those Chelsea teams and facking Atletico aren’t counter attacking teams.
Even for you that’s facking reetarded.
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Even for me? Bit rude.
And they are not. usually if you have more possession you're not a counter attacking team.
Very very odd how upset some people are getting. Losing all common sense.
usually if you have more possession you're not a counter attacking team.
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all logic out the window from you. Strange way to start the week.
Even Stretty would be proud of someone doubling down on something so daft.
Yeah, he'd probably find what you're saying bizarre like most people would.
Very very odd.
Your lack of self awareness has always amazed me.
I don't even know who you are. But again could be used back at you. Basically your disagreeing with something so you result to being rude.
A total lack of awareness indeed. Imagine thinking if a team has 60% possession that they are playing on the counter And to top it off, getting rude and angry about it.
Angry?
I’m laughing at your ridiculous opinions.
It's not really an opinion. It's common sense. If you have more of the ball you are not on the counter.
Anyway have a good day.
Evidently don’t understand what words mean either.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 7 minutes ago
It's not really an opinion. It's common sense. If you have more of the ball you are not on the counter.
Anyway have a good day.
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So what you are saying is that in half of our games so far we have not played counter attacking football.
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posted on 5/9/22
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 9 hours, 17 minutes ago
Oh yeah, can’t judge as yet either way. I personally thought arsenal were the better team today until arteta lost his head and bought on all them subs. Utd relying on counter attacks at home. Long way to go. But had the first goal stood and Utd lost narratives would be hugely difference as the performances are not great atm
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“Relying on counterattacks at home”
So what?
Do you want reminding of league titles that have been won in England, Spain, France and Germany by teams overwhelmingly relying on counterattacks?
Do you want reminding of some of the most successful seasons in your own club’s history during which the team relied on counterattacks as an integral part of their game, including in home games?
Even Pep Guardiola, in his seventh season at City, with the most valuable squad in world football, which he has shaped and honed and trained to oblivion, sometimes ‘relies’ on counterattacks in home games.
It isn’t some lesser or dirty form of football. It’s as valid as any other approach, and if it works - which it did yesterday wonderfully, given that in the second half Arsenal barely troubled DDG at all, whilst United could have scored three or four on the break - it’s the right approach.
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Yesterday was the classic set up v Arsenal that served us so well under SAF.
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SAF won a ton of games at both Old Trafford and Highbury playing that way
posted on 5/9/22
can’t remember any team thars won the league using overwhelmingly counter attacking football. For the odd games yes, but this Utd team don’t have the players to control games imo. And a few games where you scraped through recently don’t convince me. Not poo pooing counter attacking football. We done it in the semis and final of a cl win. But it’s not sustainable long term as the lower sides usually sit back and defend.
Long way to go. Could all change in a couple weeks.
posted on 5/9/22
comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 52 minutes ago
“he went out and ran 13km with them and showed them all he’s prepared to put his money where his mouth is. ”
_____
How much money does it cost to run 13Km?
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Roughly 1p to 2p worth of tread.
posted on 5/9/22
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 9 hours, 17 minutes ago
Oh yeah, can’t judge as yet either way. I personally thought arsenal were the better team today until arteta lost his head and bought on all them subs. Utd relying on counter attacks at home. Long way to go. But had the first goal stood and Utd lost narratives would be hugely difference as the performances are not great atm
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“Relying on counterattacks at home”
So what?
Do you want reminding of league titles that have been won in England, Spain, France and Germany by teams overwhelmingly relying on counterattacks?
Do you want reminding of some of the most successful seasons in your own club’s history during which the team relied on counterattacks as an integral part of their game, including in home games?
Even Pep Guardiola, in his seventh season at City, with the most valuable squad in world football, which he has shaped and honed and trained to oblivion, sometimes ‘relies’ on counterattacks in home games.
It isn’t some lesser or dirty form of football. It’s as valid as any other approach, and if it works - which it did yesterday wonderfully, given that in the second half Arsenal barely troubled DDG at all, whilst United could have scored three or four on the break - it’s the right approach.
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Yesterday was the classic set up v Arsenal that served us so well under SAF.
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Capped with goals from Nantony and Roonford (2).
posted on 5/9/22
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 minutes ago
can’t remember any team thars won the league using overwhelmingly counter attacking football. For the odd games yes, but this Utd team don’t have the players to control games imo. And a few games where you scraped through recently don’t convince me. Not poo pooing counter attacking football. We done it in the semis and final of a cl win. But it’s not sustainable long term as the lower sides usually sit back and defend.
Long way to go. Could all change in a couple weeks.
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So what you are saying is we will have to use different tactics against different teams? Groundbreaking. Someone get on the hotline to ETH and let him know.
posted on 5/9/22
Nick, it might help your argument if you could define "really poor" in a way that it can match how you say United have been playing, because I think the majority of people would think it's a very low mark.
I mean, in my school days, for example, if your homework was what the teacher considered very poor you'd get like a 2 out of 10.
Have United been a 2 out of 10 in their recent games, or what mark would you give them out of 10?
posted on 5/9/22
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
can’t remember any team thars won the league using overwhelmingly counter attacking football. For the odd games yes, but this Utd team don’t have the players to control games imo. And a few games where you scraped through recently don’t convince me. Not poo pooing counter attacking football. We done it in the semis and final of a cl win. But it’s not sustainable long term as the lower sides usually sit back and defend.
Long way to go. Could all change in a couple weeks.
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Leicester won the league with an average of 42.4% possession across the 15/16 season.
They were nearly last in the league in passes completed, and yet they were three goals off the most in the league, whilst underperforming against xG.
Atlético won La Liga with an average of less than 50% of possession.
Before Bayern hired Pep, their entire game was based on clever pressing from a mid-block and then launching counter attacks down the wings. Mourinho’s Real Madrid were devastating at sitting in even deeper and then using Alonso and Khedira to hit the likes of Ronaldo and Di Maria over the top. They did it week-in, week-out.
There’s nothing illegitimate, basic or cheap about even basing your entire game on counterattacking (not that that is where ETH is going to go).
posted on 5/9/22
can’t remember any team thars won the league using overwhelmingly counter attacking football
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You support Chelsea.
posted on 5/9/22
comment by Robb Stifler (U22716)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 25 minutes ago
A small detail, but in addition to running with the players, the fact that he handled it internally (evidently no media briefing that he'd run with them as that detail came out well after the fact) is good. Sets up a perception among the players that he's not grandstanding, that he's genuine, and only interested in the collective, not the external impressions.
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Plus he doesn’t smile when we lose
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posted on 5/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
can’t remember any team thars won the league using overwhelmingly counter attacking football
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You support Chelsea.
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Don't watch football? Name a season chelsea have won the league with counter attacking football. We usually dominate possession in 99% of games. And have done since probably the late 90s.
posted on 5/9/22
All of Mourinho’s titles and Conte’s.
posted on 5/9/22
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
can’t remember any team thars won the league using overwhelmingly counter attacking football. For the odd games yes, but this Utd team don’t have the players to control games imo. And a few games where you scraped through recently don’t convince me. Not poo pooing counter attacking football. We done it in the semis and final of a cl win. But it’s not sustainable long term as the lower sides usually sit back and defend.
Long way to go. Could all change in a couple weeks.
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Leicester won the league with an average of 42.4% possession across the 15/16 season.
They were nearly last in the league in passes completed, and yet they were three goals off the most in the league, whilst underperforming against xG.
Atlético won La Liga with an average of less than 50% of possession.
Before Bayern hired Pep, their entire game was based on clever pressing from a mid-block and then launching counter attacks down the wings. Mourinho’s Real Madrid were devastating at sitting in even deeper and then using Alonso and Khedira to hit the likes of Ronaldo and Di Maria over the top. They did it week-in, week-out.
There’s nothing illegitimate, basic or cheap about even basing your entire game on counterattacking (not that that is where ETH is going to go).
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Atletico had over 50% average when they won la liga. Leicester was probably the biggest miracle of modern day football which will never be repeated.
posted on 5/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
All of Mourinho’s titles and Conte’s.
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my god.
posted on 5/9/22
Wow, imagine thinking those Chelsea teams and facking Atletico aren’t counter attacking teams.
Even for you that’s facking reetarded.
posted on 5/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Wow, imagine thinking those Chelsea teams and facking Atletico aren’t counter attacking teams.
Even for you that’s facking reetarded.
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Even for me? Bit rude.
And they are not. usually if you have more possession you're not a counter attacking team.
Very very odd how upset some people are getting. Losing all common sense.
posted on 5/9/22
usually if you have more possession you're not a counter attacking team.
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posted on 5/9/22
all logic out the window from you. Strange way to start the week.
posted on 5/9/22
Even Stretty would be proud of someone doubling down on something so daft.
posted on 5/9/22
Yeah, he'd probably find what you're saying bizarre like most people would.
Very very odd.
posted on 5/9/22
Your lack of self awareness has always amazed me.
posted on 5/9/22
I don't even know who you are. But again could be used back at you. Basically your disagreeing with something so you result to being rude.
A total lack of awareness indeed. Imagine thinking if a team has 60% possession that they are playing on the counter And to top it off, getting rude and angry about it.
posted on 5/9/22
Angry?
I’m laughing at your ridiculous opinions.
posted on 5/9/22
It's not really an opinion. It's common sense. If you have more of the ball you are not on the counter.
Anyway have a good day.
posted on 5/9/22
Evidently don’t understand what words mean either.
posted on 5/9/22
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 7 minutes ago
It's not really an opinion. It's common sense. If you have more of the ball you are not on the counter.
Anyway have a good day.
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So what you are saying is that in half of our games so far we have not played counter attacking football.
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