comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - 🧘 (U10676)
posted 12 hours, 33 minutes ago
Did she really say that immigration is “out of control” when we should have “take[n] back control”, post Brexit?
You couldn’t make this up!
What a mess.
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She's talking about illegal immigration.....you know, those strolling through France and being ferried onto dangerous vessels, at great expense, by criminal gangs in France while the French do F-all about it!
I do not like Braverman, she does seem like a nasty piece of work but when you get 1000 people arriving on our shores in a weekend, all of them taking their lives in their hands then the question is how does this happen. How can the French authorities not notice 1000 people getting into boats...I had to queue for hours to leave France a couple months back.
When they get here they should be treated with compassion and dignity, which is seemingly lacking at Government level, but it is also the case that many are not genuine asylum seekers fleeing mortal danger otherwise they would go through the proper channels (no pun intended)
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There’s no proper channels to claim asylum in this country.
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Yes there is. Stop peddling rubbish.
We receive 50k - 75k applications a year, although we only accept between 10-20k pa
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 55 minutes ago
Playing Devil's Advocate here but..
What would be the problem if perfectly fit and healthy Albanians were taken from the detention camps and flown to Rwanda, whilst resources were funnelled into helping genuine refugees?
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We looked at the Home Office’s own figures on asylum applications on the politics thread the other day.
The vast, vast majority of arrivals’ applications are approved by HM Govt’s Home Office. That’s a stone cold fact.
When they finally get around to processing these people’s claims, the vast, vast majority of those arriving by boat are - by the Home Office’s own reckoning - bona fide asylum seekers (which is no doubt why the govt is so reluctant to process applications at anything beyond a snail’s pace).
The rest is purposefully misleading propaganda. Albanian criminal gangs running riot? Propaganda. Hordes of African economic migrants? Propaganda. Wages being suppressed by floods of immigrants? Propaganda.
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matte... (U1282)
posted 14 minutes ago
It's easier than you think. Collect thousands and thousands from people wishing to make the trip. Buy a raft or old boat for a few hundred. Off they go.
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While the French authorities shrug their shoulders.
Why do they do it. Why do they spend thousands and risk their lives to come to the UK and not stop in any of the many countries they have travelled through, including France?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matte... (U1282)
posted 14 minutes ago
It's easier than you think. Collect thousands and thousands from people wishing to make the trip. Buy a raft or old boat for a few hundred. Off they go.
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While the French authorities shrug their shoulders.
Why do they do it. Why do they spend thousands and risk their lives to come to the UK and not stop in any of the many countries they have travelled through, including France?
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You could at least research that, no?
France stops hundreds of people from crossing every weekend. Annually they stop tens of thousands.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matte... (U1282)
posted 14 minutes ago
It's easier than you think. Collect thousands and thousands from people wishing to make the trip. Buy a raft or old boat for a few hundred. Off they go.
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While the French authorities shrug their shoulders.
Why do they do it. Why do they spend thousands and risk their lives to come to the UK and not stop in any of the many countries they have travelled through, including France?
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I mean, a quick Google search will answer that question for you.
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 55 minutes ago
Playing Devil's Advocate here but..
What would be the problem if perfectly fit and healthy Albanians were taken from the detention camps and flown to Rwanda, whilst resources were funnelled into helping genuine refugees?
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We looked at the Home Office’s own figures on asylum applications on the politics thread the other day.
The vast, vast majority of arrivals’ applications are approved by HM Govt’s Home Office. That’s a stone cold fact.
When they finally get around to processing these people’s claims, the vast, vast majority of those arriving by boat are - by the Home Office’s own reckoning - bona fide asylum seekers (which is no doubt why the govt is so reluctant to process applications at anything beyond a snail’s pace).
The rest is purposefully misleading propaganda. Albanian criminal gangs running riot? Propaganda. Hordes of African economic migrants? Propaganda. Wages being suppressed by floods of immigrants? Propaganda.
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Its not all propaganda. Even the Guardian reports it as a rising problem and genuine issue with regards to gangs , people & drug trafficking.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/25/rise-in-albanian-asylum-seekers-may-be-down-to-criminal-gangs
Anecdotally, I have a friend who is a Police Sergeant in the SW, and he has told me of a huge rise in crime committed by Albanians, a lot related to car theft and drug dealing. 2years ago you wouldnt see an Albanian in the SW now they are a growing prominence in police figures.
As I said, they're not easy to stop, and indeed the french authorities can never stop them all, just like contraband and drugs still get through even though we spend billions trying to stop that.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 55 minutes ago
Playing Devil's Advocate here but..
What would be the problem if perfectly fit and healthy Albanians were taken from the detention camps and flown to Rwanda, whilst resources were funnelled into helping genuine refugees?
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We looked at the Home Office’s own figures on asylum applications on the politics thread the other day.
The vast, vast majority of arrivals’ applications are approved by HM Govt’s Home Office. That’s a stone cold fact.
When they finally get around to processing these people’s claims, the vast, vast majority of those arriving by boat are - by the Home Office’s own reckoning - bona fide asylum seekers (which is no doubt why the govt is so reluctant to process applications at anything beyond a snail’s pace).
The rest is purposefully misleading propaganda. Albanian criminal gangs running riot? Propaganda. Hordes of African economic migrants? Propaganda. Wages being suppressed by floods of immigrants? Propaganda.
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Its not all propaganda. Even the Guardian reports it as a rising problem and genuine issue with regards to gangs , people & drug trafficking.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/25/rise-in-albanian-asylum-seekers-may-be-down-to-criminal-gangs
Anecdotally, I have a friend who is a Police Sergeant in the SW, and he has told me of a huge rise in crime committed by Albanians, a lot related to car theft and drug dealing. 2years ago you wouldnt see an Albanian in the SW now they are a growing prominence in police figures.
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There’s been loads of Albanians in the SW for decades - since the early 2000s - and I knew loads of them. They’re generally pretty good guys and it’s shocking that they’re being demonised much like they unfairly were in the early 2000s by the same media outlets
Back in the day you could always lean on the Albanians to sort you out. Especially up town. Decent stuff as well and very quick! Probably because there were so many of them. They had that particular corner of the market covered. I'm guessing they still do with the amount of numbers coming over. The youngsters these days should be happy we've got pushers coming over by the boat load to add a bit of enjoyment to their weekends. It's easy to take it for granted. I certainly did.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 55 minutes ago
Playing Devil's Advocate here but..
What would be the problem if perfectly fit and healthy Albanians were taken from the detention camps and flown to Rwanda, whilst resources were funnelled into helping genuine refugees?
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We looked at the Home Office’s own figures on asylum applications on the politics thread the other day.
The vast, vast majority of arrivals’ applications are approved by HM Govt’s Home Office. That’s a stone cold fact.
When they finally get around to processing these people’s claims, the vast, vast majority of those arriving by boat are - by the Home Office’s own reckoning - bona fide asylum seekers (which is no doubt why the govt is so reluctant to process applications at anything beyond a snail’s pace).
The rest is purposefully misleading propaganda. Albanian criminal gangs running riot? Propaganda. Hordes of African economic migrants? Propaganda. Wages being suppressed by floods of immigrants? Propaganda.
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Its not all propaganda. Even the Guardian reports it as a rising problem and genuine issue with regards to gangs , people & drug trafficking.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/25/rise-in-albanian-asylum-seekers-may-be-down-to-criminal-gangs
Anecdotally, I have a friend who is a Police Sergeant in the SW, and he has told me of a huge rise in crime committed by Albanians, a lot related to car theft and drug dealing. 2years ago you wouldnt see an Albanian in the SW now they are a growing prominence in police figures.
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I’ll believe it when I see statistics that prove that they’re a serious contributor to UK crime rates.
As an aside, maybe the policing and criminal justice system would be in a better place to deal with organised crime if it hadn’t been completely eviscerated by the Tories through a series of historic cuts over the last decade and a bit.
Police numbers slashed. CPS budget slashed. We’re on target to see HALF of the country’s facking courts closed under the Tories. HALF ffs.
“Tough on crime. Tough on the causes of crime.”
Another barefaced lie.
^ Actually “Tough on crime…” was Blair, wasn’t it?
Sunak has dropped a real clanger here - exchanging support from Braverman for a position as Home Secretary. These back room deals happen all the time of course during leadership campaigns in any political party but I believe he would have got the nominations without relying on her support.
I mean she’s a horrible horrible person but she’s unfortunately right that the system is completely broken - previous home secretaries just haven’t dealt with the issue. Very situation difficult to be honest - I can’t understand why thousands are pouring in from Albania which isn’t exactly Syria. We need to be taking genuine refugees in who are coming from war torn countries as an example - then again, the French aren’t doing anything to stop the migration either
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 55 minutes ago
Playing Devil's Advocate here but..
What would be the problem if perfectly fit and healthy Albanians were taken from the detention camps and flown to Rwanda, whilst resources were funnelled into helping genuine refugees?
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We looked at the Home Office’s own figures on asylum applications on the politics thread the other day.
The vast, vast majority of arrivals’ applications are approved by HM Govt’s Home Office. That’s a stone cold fact.
When they finally get around to processing these people’s claims, the vast, vast majority of those arriving by boat are - by the Home Office’s own reckoning - bona fide asylum seekers (which is no doubt why the govt is so reluctant to process applications at anything beyond a snail’s pace).
The rest is purposefully misleading propaganda. Albanian criminal gangs running riot? Propaganda. Hordes of African economic migrants? Propaganda. Wages being suppressed by floods of immigrants? Propaganda.
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Its not all propaganda. Even the Guardian reports it as a rising problem and genuine issue with regards to gangs , people & drug trafficking.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/25/rise-in-albanian-asylum-seekers-may-be-down-to-criminal-gangs
Anecdotally, I have a friend who is a Police Sergeant in the SW, and he has told me of a huge rise in crime committed by Albanians, a lot related to car theft and drug dealing. 2years ago you wouldnt see an Albanian in the SW now they are a growing prominence in police figures.
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I’ll believe it when I see statistics that prove that they’re a serious contributor to UK crime rates.
As an aside, maybe the policing and criminal justice system would be in a better place to deal with organised crime if it hadn’t been completely eviscerated by the Tories through a series of historic cuts over the last decade and a bit.
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Until then you will call it propaganda hardly conducive to debate or objective thinking
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 10 minutes ago
^ Actually “Tough on crime…” was Blair, wasn’t it?
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and in fairness, one can expect Braverman to live up to that mantra, and probably take it to the next level or more. She strikes me like someone who would support the return of public hangings
If it’s coming from the Tories and the right wing press it’s most certainly propaganda. They’ve been at it for decades.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 10 minutes ago
^ Actually “Tough on crime…” was Blair, wasn’t it?
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and in fairness, one can expect Braverman to live up to that mantra, and probably take it to the next level or more. She strikes me like someone who would support the return of public hangings
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Ladies first
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
If it’s coming from the Tories and the right wing press it’s most certainly propaganda. They’ve been at it for decades.
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Disinformation, and falsehoods (and as Rosso highlighted, propaganda) relating to asylum has been hardwired into many people's psyche for decades.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
If it’s coming from the Tories and the right wing press it’s most certainly propaganda. They’ve been at it for decades.
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Disinformation, and falsehoods (and as Rosso highlighted, propaganda) relating to asylum has been hardwired into many people's psyche for decades.
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Yeah it’s sad. So much hate.
Can we also address the elephant in the room. Post Brexit the UK opted out of the Dublin 3 regulation, and failed to bother negotiating a replacement scheme. All to “get Brexit done.” The Dublin 3 is an EU law stipulating which country is responsible for asylum applications. Which is usually the first member state the asylum seeker enters.
However as countries on the EU's external border were being disproportionally impacted, there was an amendment to Dublin 3 which required all member states to share responsibility.
The upshot of the UK opting out of the Dublin 3 meant the UK no longer had EU mechanisms to return asylum seekers to the EU. The UKgov therefore sought to negotiate bespoke bilateral arrangements with individual member states. As many member states were no longer treaty obliged to accept asylum seekers back from the UK, they shunned UKgov's approaches.
Just look at the enormous increase in cases since 2020/21, when we left Dublin3, and subsequently shut off safe and legal routes from many countries, forcing migrants into dingeys.
With a bit of planning, due diligence, and compassion, the matter could have been handled much much better by the UKGov.
With a bit of planning, due diligence, and compassion
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Unfortunately the Tories have shown themselves incapable of these all every matter of government.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 55 minutes ago
Playing Devil's Advocate here but..
What would be the problem if perfectly fit and healthy Albanians were taken from the detention camps and flown to Rwanda, whilst resources were funnelled into helping genuine refugees?
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We looked at the Home Office’s own figures on asylum applications on the politics thread the other day.
The vast, vast majority of arrivals’ applications are approved by HM Govt’s Home Office. That’s a stone cold fact.
When they finally get around to processing these people’s claims, the vast, vast majority of those arriving by boat are - by the Home Office’s own reckoning - bona fide asylum seekers (which is no doubt why the govt is so reluctant to process applications at anything beyond a snail’s pace).
The rest is purposefully misleading propaganda. Albanian criminal gangs running riot? Propaganda. Hordes of African economic migrants? Propaganda. Wages being suppressed by floods of immigrants? Propaganda.
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Its not all propaganda. Even the Guardian reports it as a rising problem and genuine issue with regards to gangs , people & drug trafficking.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/25/rise-in-albanian-asylum-seekers-may-be-down-to-criminal-gangs
Anecdotally, I have a friend who is a Police Sergeant in the SW, and he has told me of a huge rise in crime committed by Albanians, a lot related to car theft and drug dealing. 2years ago you wouldnt see an Albanian in the SW now they are a growing prominence in police figures.
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I’ll believe it when I see statistics that prove that they’re a serious contributor to UK crime rates.
As an aside, maybe the policing and criminal justice system would be in a better place to deal with organised crime if it hadn’t been completely eviscerated by the Tories through a series of historic cuts over the last decade and a bit.
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Until then you will call it propagandahardly conducive to debate or objective thinking
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How can anyone form objective view without the data being visible?
Tories and objective thinking.
This bloke.
Wjy are we blaming the Tories whenbthw real bad guys are the fake aylum seekers, and those facilitating their travel?
comment by The Butcher (U22703)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wjy are we blaming the Tories whenbthw real bad guys are the fake aylum seekers, and those facilitating their travel?
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Strap yourself in, that won't go down well on this thread ........... wolfie, trotsky et al won't be having any of that .........
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posted on 1/11/22
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo - 🧘 (U10676)
posted 12 hours, 33 minutes ago
Did she really say that immigration is “out of control” when we should have “take[n] back control”, post Brexit?
You couldn’t make this up!
What a mess.
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She's talking about illegal immigration.....you know, those strolling through France and being ferried onto dangerous vessels, at great expense, by criminal gangs in France while the French do F-all about it!
I do not like Braverman, she does seem like a nasty piece of work but when you get 1000 people arriving on our shores in a weekend, all of them taking their lives in their hands then the question is how does this happen. How can the French authorities not notice 1000 people getting into boats...I had to queue for hours to leave France a couple months back.
When they get here they should be treated with compassion and dignity, which is seemingly lacking at Government level, but it is also the case that many are not genuine asylum seekers fleeing mortal danger otherwise they would go through the proper channels (no pun intended)
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There’s no proper channels to claim asylum in this country.
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Yes there is. Stop peddling rubbish.
We receive 50k - 75k applications a year, although we only accept between 10-20k pa
posted on 1/11/22
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 55 minutes ago
Playing Devil's Advocate here but..
What would be the problem if perfectly fit and healthy Albanians were taken from the detention camps and flown to Rwanda, whilst resources were funnelled into helping genuine refugees?
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We looked at the Home Office’s own figures on asylum applications on the politics thread the other day.
The vast, vast majority of arrivals’ applications are approved by HM Govt’s Home Office. That’s a stone cold fact.
When they finally get around to processing these people’s claims, the vast, vast majority of those arriving by boat are - by the Home Office’s own reckoning - bona fide asylum seekers (which is no doubt why the govt is so reluctant to process applications at anything beyond a snail’s pace).
The rest is purposefully misleading propaganda. Albanian criminal gangs running riot? Propaganda. Hordes of African economic migrants? Propaganda. Wages being suppressed by floods of immigrants? Propaganda.
posted on 1/11/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matte... (U1282)
posted 14 minutes ago
It's easier than you think. Collect thousands and thousands from people wishing to make the trip. Buy a raft or old boat for a few hundred. Off they go.
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While the French authorities shrug their shoulders.
Why do they do it. Why do they spend thousands and risk their lives to come to the UK and not stop in any of the many countries they have travelled through, including France?
posted on 1/11/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matte... (U1282)
posted 14 minutes ago
It's easier than you think. Collect thousands and thousands from people wishing to make the trip. Buy a raft or old boat for a few hundred. Off they go.
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While the French authorities shrug their shoulders.
Why do they do it. Why do they spend thousands and risk their lives to come to the UK and not stop in any of the many countries they have travelled through, including France?
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You could at least research that, no?
France stops hundreds of people from crossing every weekend. Annually they stop tens of thousands.
posted on 1/11/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matte... (U1282)
posted 14 minutes ago
It's easier than you think. Collect thousands and thousands from people wishing to make the trip. Buy a raft or old boat for a few hundred. Off they go.
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While the French authorities shrug their shoulders.
Why do they do it. Why do they spend thousands and risk their lives to come to the UK and not stop in any of the many countries they have travelled through, including France?
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I mean, a quick Google search will answer that question for you.
posted on 1/11/22
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 55 minutes ago
Playing Devil's Advocate here but..
What would be the problem if perfectly fit and healthy Albanians were taken from the detention camps and flown to Rwanda, whilst resources were funnelled into helping genuine refugees?
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We looked at the Home Office’s own figures on asylum applications on the politics thread the other day.
The vast, vast majority of arrivals’ applications are approved by HM Govt’s Home Office. That’s a stone cold fact.
When they finally get around to processing these people’s claims, the vast, vast majority of those arriving by boat are - by the Home Office’s own reckoning - bona fide asylum seekers (which is no doubt why the govt is so reluctant to process applications at anything beyond a snail’s pace).
The rest is purposefully misleading propaganda. Albanian criminal gangs running riot? Propaganda. Hordes of African economic migrants? Propaganda. Wages being suppressed by floods of immigrants? Propaganda.
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Its not all propaganda. Even the Guardian reports it as a rising problem and genuine issue with regards to gangs , people & drug trafficking.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/25/rise-in-albanian-asylum-seekers-may-be-down-to-criminal-gangs
Anecdotally, I have a friend who is a Police Sergeant in the SW, and he has told me of a huge rise in crime committed by Albanians, a lot related to car theft and drug dealing. 2years ago you wouldnt see an Albanian in the SW now they are a growing prominence in police figures.
posted on 1/11/22
As I said, they're not easy to stop, and indeed the french authorities can never stop them all, just like contraband and drugs still get through even though we spend billions trying to stop that.
posted on 1/11/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 55 minutes ago
Playing Devil's Advocate here but..
What would be the problem if perfectly fit and healthy Albanians were taken from the detention camps and flown to Rwanda, whilst resources were funnelled into helping genuine refugees?
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We looked at the Home Office’s own figures on asylum applications on the politics thread the other day.
The vast, vast majority of arrivals’ applications are approved by HM Govt’s Home Office. That’s a stone cold fact.
When they finally get around to processing these people’s claims, the vast, vast majority of those arriving by boat are - by the Home Office’s own reckoning - bona fide asylum seekers (which is no doubt why the govt is so reluctant to process applications at anything beyond a snail’s pace).
The rest is purposefully misleading propaganda. Albanian criminal gangs running riot? Propaganda. Hordes of African economic migrants? Propaganda. Wages being suppressed by floods of immigrants? Propaganda.
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Its not all propaganda. Even the Guardian reports it as a rising problem and genuine issue with regards to gangs , people & drug trafficking.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/25/rise-in-albanian-asylum-seekers-may-be-down-to-criminal-gangs
Anecdotally, I have a friend who is a Police Sergeant in the SW, and he has told me of a huge rise in crime committed by Albanians, a lot related to car theft and drug dealing. 2years ago you wouldnt see an Albanian in the SW now they are a growing prominence in police figures.
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There’s been loads of Albanians in the SW for decades - since the early 2000s - and I knew loads of them. They’re generally pretty good guys and it’s shocking that they’re being demonised much like they unfairly were in the early 2000s by the same media outlets
posted on 1/11/22
Back in the day you could always lean on the Albanians to sort you out. Especially up town. Decent stuff as well and very quick! Probably because there were so many of them. They had that particular corner of the market covered. I'm guessing they still do with the amount of numbers coming over. The youngsters these days should be happy we've got pushers coming over by the boat load to add a bit of enjoyment to their weekends. It's easy to take it for granted. I certainly did.
posted on 1/11/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 55 minutes ago
Playing Devil's Advocate here but..
What would be the problem if perfectly fit and healthy Albanians were taken from the detention camps and flown to Rwanda, whilst resources were funnelled into helping genuine refugees?
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We looked at the Home Office’s own figures on asylum applications on the politics thread the other day.
The vast, vast majority of arrivals’ applications are approved by HM Govt’s Home Office. That’s a stone cold fact.
When they finally get around to processing these people’s claims, the vast, vast majority of those arriving by boat are - by the Home Office’s own reckoning - bona fide asylum seekers (which is no doubt why the govt is so reluctant to process applications at anything beyond a snail’s pace).
The rest is purposefully misleading propaganda. Albanian criminal gangs running riot? Propaganda. Hordes of African economic migrants? Propaganda. Wages being suppressed by floods of immigrants? Propaganda.
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Its not all propaganda. Even the Guardian reports it as a rising problem and genuine issue with regards to gangs , people & drug trafficking.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/25/rise-in-albanian-asylum-seekers-may-be-down-to-criminal-gangs
Anecdotally, I have a friend who is a Police Sergeant in the SW, and he has told me of a huge rise in crime committed by Albanians, a lot related to car theft and drug dealing. 2years ago you wouldnt see an Albanian in the SW now they are a growing prominence in police figures.
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I’ll believe it when I see statistics that prove that they’re a serious contributor to UK crime rates.
As an aside, maybe the policing and criminal justice system would be in a better place to deal with organised crime if it hadn’t been completely eviscerated by the Tories through a series of historic cuts over the last decade and a bit.
posted on 1/11/22
Police numbers slashed. CPS budget slashed. We’re on target to see HALF of the country’s facking courts closed under the Tories. HALF ffs.
“Tough on crime. Tough on the causes of crime.”
Another barefaced lie.
posted on 1/11/22
^ Actually “Tough on crime…” was Blair, wasn’t it?
posted on 1/11/22
Sunak has dropped a real clanger here - exchanging support from Braverman for a position as Home Secretary. These back room deals happen all the time of course during leadership campaigns in any political party but I believe he would have got the nominations without relying on her support.
I mean she’s a horrible horrible person but she’s unfortunately right that the system is completely broken - previous home secretaries just haven’t dealt with the issue. Very situation difficult to be honest - I can’t understand why thousands are pouring in from Albania which isn’t exactly Syria. We need to be taking genuine refugees in who are coming from war torn countries as an example - then again, the French aren’t doing anything to stop the migration either
posted on 1/11/22
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 55 minutes ago
Playing Devil's Advocate here but..
What would be the problem if perfectly fit and healthy Albanians were taken from the detention camps and flown to Rwanda, whilst resources were funnelled into helping genuine refugees?
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We looked at the Home Office’s own figures on asylum applications on the politics thread the other day.
The vast, vast majority of arrivals’ applications are approved by HM Govt’s Home Office. That’s a stone cold fact.
When they finally get around to processing these people’s claims, the vast, vast majority of those arriving by boat are - by the Home Office’s own reckoning - bona fide asylum seekers (which is no doubt why the govt is so reluctant to process applications at anything beyond a snail’s pace).
The rest is purposefully misleading propaganda. Albanian criminal gangs running riot? Propaganda. Hordes of African economic migrants? Propaganda. Wages being suppressed by floods of immigrants? Propaganda.
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Its not all propaganda. Even the Guardian reports it as a rising problem and genuine issue with regards to gangs , people & drug trafficking.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/25/rise-in-albanian-asylum-seekers-may-be-down-to-criminal-gangs
Anecdotally, I have a friend who is a Police Sergeant in the SW, and he has told me of a huge rise in crime committed by Albanians, a lot related to car theft and drug dealing. 2years ago you wouldnt see an Albanian in the SW now they are a growing prominence in police figures.
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I’ll believe it when I see statistics that prove that they’re a serious contributor to UK crime rates.
As an aside, maybe the policing and criminal justice system would be in a better place to deal with organised crime if it hadn’t been completely eviscerated by the Tories through a series of historic cuts over the last decade and a bit.
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Until then you will call it propaganda hardly conducive to debate or objective thinking
posted on 1/11/22
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 10 minutes ago
^ Actually “Tough on crime…” was Blair, wasn’t it?
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and in fairness, one can expect Braverman to live up to that mantra, and probably take it to the next level or more. She strikes me like someone who would support the return of public hangings
posted on 1/11/22
If it’s coming from the Tories and the right wing press it’s most certainly propaganda. They’ve been at it for decades.
posted on 1/11/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 10 minutes ago
^ Actually “Tough on crime…” was Blair, wasn’t it?
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and in fairness, one can expect Braverman to live up to that mantra, and probably take it to the next level or more. She strikes me like someone who would support the return of public hangings
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Ladies first
posted on 1/11/22
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
If it’s coming from the Tories and the right wing press it’s most certainly propaganda. They’ve been at it for decades.
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Disinformation, and falsehoods (and as Rosso highlighted, propaganda) relating to asylum has been hardwired into many people's psyche for decades.
posted on 1/11/22
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
If it’s coming from the Tories and the right wing press it’s most certainly propaganda. They’ve been at it for decades.
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Disinformation, and falsehoods (and as Rosso highlighted, propaganda) relating to asylum has been hardwired into many people's psyche for decades.
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Yeah it’s sad. So much hate.
posted on 1/11/22
Can we also address the elephant in the room. Post Brexit the UK opted out of the Dublin 3 regulation, and failed to bother negotiating a replacement scheme. All to “get Brexit done.” The Dublin 3 is an EU law stipulating which country is responsible for asylum applications. Which is usually the first member state the asylum seeker enters.
However as countries on the EU's external border were being disproportionally impacted, there was an amendment to Dublin 3 which required all member states to share responsibility.
The upshot of the UK opting out of the Dublin 3 meant the UK no longer had EU mechanisms to return asylum seekers to the EU. The UKgov therefore sought to negotiate bespoke bilateral arrangements with individual member states. As many member states were no longer treaty obliged to accept asylum seekers back from the UK, they shunned UKgov's approaches.
Just look at the enormous increase in cases since 2020/21, when we left Dublin3, and subsequently shut off safe and legal routes from many countries, forcing migrants into dingeys.
With a bit of planning, due diligence, and compassion, the matter could have been handled much much better by the UKGov.
posted on 1/11/22
With a bit of planning, due diligence, and compassion
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Unfortunately the Tories have shown themselves incapable of these all every matter of government.
posted on 1/11/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 55 minutes ago
Playing Devil's Advocate here but..
What would be the problem if perfectly fit and healthy Albanians were taken from the detention camps and flown to Rwanda, whilst resources were funnelled into helping genuine refugees?
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We looked at the Home Office’s own figures on asylum applications on the politics thread the other day.
The vast, vast majority of arrivals’ applications are approved by HM Govt’s Home Office. That’s a stone cold fact.
When they finally get around to processing these people’s claims, the vast, vast majority of those arriving by boat are - by the Home Office’s own reckoning - bona fide asylum seekers (which is no doubt why the govt is so reluctant to process applications at anything beyond a snail’s pace).
The rest is purposefully misleading propaganda. Albanian criminal gangs running riot? Propaganda. Hordes of African economic migrants? Propaganda. Wages being suppressed by floods of immigrants? Propaganda.
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Its not all propaganda. Even the Guardian reports it as a rising problem and genuine issue with regards to gangs , people & drug trafficking.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/25/rise-in-albanian-asylum-seekers-may-be-down-to-criminal-gangs
Anecdotally, I have a friend who is a Police Sergeant in the SW, and he has told me of a huge rise in crime committed by Albanians, a lot related to car theft and drug dealing. 2years ago you wouldnt see an Albanian in the SW now they are a growing prominence in police figures.
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I’ll believe it when I see statistics that prove that they’re a serious contributor to UK crime rates.
As an aside, maybe the policing and criminal justice system would be in a better place to deal with organised crime if it hadn’t been completely eviscerated by the Tories through a series of historic cuts over the last decade and a bit.
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Until then you will call it propagandahardly conducive to debate or objective thinking
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How can anyone form objective view without the data being visible?
posted on 1/11/22
Tories and objective thinking.
This bloke.
posted on 1/11/22
Wjy are we blaming the Tories whenbthw real bad guys are the fake aylum seekers, and those facilitating their travel?
posted on 1/11/22
comment by The Butcher (U22703)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wjy are we blaming the Tories whenbthw real bad guys are the fake aylum seekers, and those facilitating their travel?
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Strap yourself in, that won't go down well on this thread ........... wolfie, trotsky et al won't be having any of that .........
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