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posted on 5/11/22

I can’t see you staying up. Which 3 teams are worse than you? Your away form is absolutely terrible and you’re not beating the teams around you at home. 10 points from 14 games including a pretty fortunate win against West Ham is nailed on relegation.

I don’t think you’re better than Leeds, Fulham, Leicester, Everton or Southampton. Maybe Bournemouth but they’ve beaten you at home.

posted on 5/11/22

comment by 99 Problems (U12353)
posted 48 minutes ago
I can’t see you staying up. Which 3 teams are worse than you? Your away form is absolutely terrible and you’re not beating the teams around you at home. 10 points from 14 games including a pretty fortunate win against West Ham is nailed on relegation.

I don’t think you’re better than Leeds, Fulham, Leicester, Everton or Southampton. Maybe Bournemouth but they’ve beaten you at home.
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I think the difference with those teams you mentioned is the number of changes we made. 23 new players (19 at the club), 19 outgoings including the loans.

Despite the fact that this is a brand new team, we are 3 points from being out of the relegation spots. In the world’s best league. If that doesn’t give them confidence, nothing will.

Add in the fact that we have a number of players out injured, Brazil’s player of the year to come in and the owner will no doubt roll the dice in January.

If you watched the game and our last five (ignoring Arsenal) you’d know that we are getting better every week. Can that be said about Bournemouth, Southampton and Villa? They have already gelled…we are still on an upward trajectory.

Take your team, Leicester. Every one of your fans thought you were going down. Now look at Leicester, they even have a fan making a run of comments on our board. It’s amazing what a bit of confidence does 👍🏻

If you lose against West Ham and we beat Palace, then we are one point behind you.

posted on 6/11/22

A lot of ifs and buts there! With Leicester (and I was on this board when we looked dead certain to go down by the way, unlike Rev who has scarpered) we had a chaotic summer and the players were affected by off field negativity. We also failed to replace Kasper and Ward and the defence were struggling. What’s helped us however is we have a squad that’s been together for 4 years. By adding Faes to the side (who is great) the other players have been able to find their rhythm again and use their collective experience. We also have with all due respect, some far better players. Tielemans and Maddison for eg belong at top 6 sides.

Forest may be showing signs of defensive improvement under Cooper but aside from a very scruffy equaliser today, you’re struggling to take chances and score goals even at home and even after 14 games. On top of that your away form is dreadful and shows no signs of improving any time soon after the battering at Arsenal.

Signing more players in Jan is the last thing you need when trying to bed in an entirely new team and the World Cup isn’t going to help in that respect either. You need to be scoring goals consistently at home and away from home against teams around you.

Leeds are improving, Wolves will improve and show signs of finding their scoring touch, Southampton will recover as they always do, I think Villa will improve and Leicester certainly have. I think Cooper is actually performing above expectations but you need to do a hell of a lot better than 10 points in 14 games as many teams around you are in a false position

posted on 6/11/22

If only we had an expert like you in charge to sort our problems

posted on 6/11/22

comment by 99 Problems (U12353)
posted 10 hours, 36 minutes ago
A lot of ifs and buts there! With Leicester (and I was on this board when we looked dead certain to go down by the way, unlike Rev who has scarpered) we had a chaotic summer and the players were affected by off field negativity. We also failed to replace Kasper and Ward and the defence were struggling. What’s helped us however is we have a squad that’s been together for 4 years. By adding Faes to the side (who is great) the other players have been able to find their rhythm again and use their collective experience. We also have with all due respect, some far better players. Tielemans and Maddison for eg belong at top 6 sides.

Forest may be showing signs of defensive improvement under Cooper but aside from a very scruffy equaliser today, you’re struggling to take chances and score goals even at home and even after 14 games. On top of that your away form is dreadful and shows no signs of improving any time soon after the battering at Arsenal.

Signing more players in Jan is the last thing you need when trying to bed in an entirely new team and the World Cup isn’t going to help in that respect either. You need to be scoring goals consistently at home and away from home against teams around you.

Leeds are improving, Wolves will improve and show signs of finding their scoring touch, Southampton will recover as they always do, I think Villa will improve and Leicester certainly have. I think Cooper is actually performing above expectations but you need to do a hell of a lot better than 10 points in 14 games as many teams around you are in a false position
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A lot of ifs and buts there! I’ll spell it out for you…

We currently have Colback who is seemingly struggling with an injury he can’t shake.

Aguilera, who when he arrives from the World Cup (who is an U21 player), will likely go straight out on loan. Soh is another U21 player who needs a loan.

Looking at our LBs we have Williams who plays there now, followed by Lodi and Richards (if he ever recovers). That means Toffolo needs a loan.

Biancone is out for the season.

The above takes our squad down to 23 players over the age of 21.

Now we could risk having 23 players and pray for no injuries…but that is extremely unlikely. Therefore, we need two players to come in. My money would be on a winger / forward and a CB if Niakhate doesn’t recover.

I think you have the opposite of rose tinted glasses on here. Every other team is in a false position, they all will improve and yet when it’s spelt out by a fan of the team…you still harp on about the same nonsense.

By your own argument you point to goals being the problem. If we address that by a new signing, creativity and / or solidity then our position will also be false. Why any owner wouldn’t sanction that is beyond me and clearly you.

Finally, we don’t need to be better (and beat those) teams around us, have better players, or top six individuals. What we need is one thing…to get enough points to be better than three teams below us. It’s that simple.

Re the WC i’d say 15-20 of the team above isn’t going. Yep, we aren’t going to train during that time…we’ll just sit here and wallow and think about how every team is miles better than us.

posted on 6/11/22

Good lord - this really is your first season in the premier league isn’t it? This isn’t football manager pal - new signings take time to gel, particularly if they’re coming from different divisions. It’s not as if Ayinowi is smashing it up is it? And by the way - after signing about 60 players, how you haven’t managed to think about getting a decent goal scorer is beyond me.

I’ve seen this all before. You can kid yourself that decent performances will lead to decent results. They don’t. Very simply in this division you need to be clinical in both boxes and you have been neither and I see nothing from your performances to suggest you will be. You’re goal difference is minus 20 which is already a concern if you want to stay up. Essentially to address this you need to have an outstanding Jan window and for players to come in and hit the ground running. History shows that to be unlikely

Just and go and research how many teams have stayed up with 10 points from 14 games. It’s really not many and yet somehow you seem to think Forest are different. On what basis? You’re not better than Leicester (easiest game we’ve had so far), Leeds, Villa, Fulham or Everton. Which 3 teams are you going finish above exactly and what on earth is giving you this positivity given you’ve lost to teams you needed to beat at home and your away record is a shocker.

You can put your fingers in your ears all you like - you’re nailed on to go down

comment by reddave (U8660)

posted on 6/11/22

Don’t actually think this is our first season in the premier league, it may be a gap of 23 years, but its definitely not our first, and won’t be our last.

posted on 6/11/22

I’d argue the PL is a bit different 23 years on and the way some of your fans are talking, it’s almost as if you’re seasoned veterans

comment by reddave (U8660)

posted on 6/11/22

It maybe different, but its still the premier league. Everything changes over time, that’s just a fact of life. Some fans may think we are seasoned veterans, but in reality we are once again novices learning our way, it may be good enough it may not, but at least as fans we’ve had the chance to sample it, some fans will go a whole lifetime without that experience, just make the most of what’s available, nothing lasts forever. One last thing, if it all goes pear shaped and we are relegated, no one can take away the winning trip to Wembley last May, that as they say was priceless.

posted on 6/11/22

Well said and absolutely fair play to that. Same for us Leicester fans - whatever happens to us in the future, we’ve had an incredible journey. It will end as all things do but you have to enjoy it while times are good

posted on 6/11/22

comment by 99 Problems (U12353)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
Good lord - this really is your first season in the premier league isn’t it? This isn’t football manager pal - new signings take time to gel, particularly if they’re coming from different divisions. It’s not as if Ayinowi is smashing it up is it? And by the way - after signing about 60 players, how you haven’t managed to think about getting a decent goal scorer is beyond me.

I’ve seen this all before. You can kid yourself that decent performances will lead to decent results. They don’t. Very simply in this division you need to be clinical in both boxes and you have been neither and I see nothing from your performances to suggest you will be. You’re goal difference is minus 20 which is already a concern if you want to stay up. Essentially to address this you need to have an outstanding Jan window and for players to come in and hit the ground running. History shows that to be unlikely

Just and go and research how many teams have stayed up with 10 points from 14 games. It’s really not many and yet somehow you seem to think Forest are different. On what basis? You’re not better than Leicester (easiest game we’ve had so far), Leeds, Villa, Fulham or Everton. Which 3 teams are you going finish above exactly and what on earth is giving you this positivity given you’ve lost to teams you needed to beat at home and your away record is a shocker.

You can put your fingers in your ears all you like - you’re nailed on to go down
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No-one on here has these views that you talk about. It's your agenda that you are projecting. You are, and have always been, obsessed with Forest.

You are not an expert on the EPL. In fact, you can't even follow what I am spelling out to you. Because, again, you have an agenda.

Just to confirm, I don't play FM (although I do like my stats), no-one is acting like a veteran and I never said that decent performances will lead to different results.

All I said was we needed to get points to better the three teams below us. Is that really so difficult to grasp?

If you haven't gathered, I am an optimist and a realist. Do I feel optimistic we will stay up? Yes. Do I really believe that we will? Maybe...with maybe based on the points I have raised above.

I am not actually bothered if we go down or not. Last season was amazing and I am thoroughly enjoying this season. Now if we get relegated this season and don't come up the following...then you can crow all you like. Then I will be dissapointed, worried and all the things in between.

You talk as if your points are fact, which I am sure you will believe they are, but the simple fact of the matter is as follows:

1. We are 3 points off 17th and 4 points off the Leicester Lions in 14th. 24 games to go...what's the panic? Note* I never said Forest were different...you did.
2. We need replacements if players are injured. Simple logic that one.
3. I researched how many teams had 10 points (or less) after 14 games that stayed up over the last 5 seasons...it's 5 from 15...so chances are 33%.
4. I researched how many teams had 10 points (or less) after 15 games that stayed up over the last 5 seasons...it's 5 from 15...so chances are 33%. So...even if we lose against Palace next week...it is still a 1 in 3 chance.
5. How many teams had 1 point from 7 games and then went on to win the play-offs? One, us. If anyone can do it, it's Cooper. I take positivity from that.
6. I take further positivity that we likely will have less of our players at the WC than others...giving them more time to gel.
7. I could continue, but you will no doubt ignore what I have written and continue in your condescending manner...with your agenda.

Points 1-6 are facts...point 7 is subjective. Truly ask yourself 99...are you really as clever as you think you are? Or...is your ego simply out of control.

posted on 7/11/22

Really weird post on a number of levels - you say I’m obsessed with Forest (check my posting history and I’m on other boards far more than this one!) yet it’s beginning to feel like you’re slightly obsessed with me!

On your bullet pointed list - point 6 isn’t a fact, it’s subjective. Have another read - you even use the word likely to give you a clue.

My agenda, if I have one, is that I think Forest look in trouble. I don’t care if you get relegated or not as long as we stay up. I just merely said I think you’re nailed on. The condescending nature of what I say is because if anything I’ve watched my team in this division for 8 years - seen us very close to the drop and seen what what it took to keep us alive. Does it mean I’m right? Nope. Does it mean I might just have a bit more of an experienced perspective than some others? Yeah I think so

posted on 7/11/22

Thought we looked better going forwards than we have for a while, carried more threat for sure, just the finishing that was poor - but at least chances were created with some fairly nice approach play. I agree with SC that if the penalty they got was correct then there should have been 3 more given, although personally I think only their's and yates's were 'maybes'. A win against Palace will be tough but do-able and depending on other results things may look better, but blimey it's a tough ask to stay up.

posted on 7/11/22

comment by 99 Problems (U12353)
posted 11 hours, 51 minutes ago
Really weird post on a number of levels - you say I’m obsessed with Forest (check my posting history and I’m on other boards far more than this one!) yet it’s beginning to feel like you’re slightly obsessed with me!

On your bullet pointed list - point 6 isn’t a fact, it’s subjective. Have another read - you even use the word likely to give you a clue.

My agenda, if I have one, is that I think Forest look in trouble. I don’t care if you get relegated or not as long as we stay up. I just merely said I think you’re nailed on. The condescending nature of what I say is because if anything I’ve watched my team in this division for 8 years - seen us very close to the drop and seen what what it took to keep us alive. Does it mean I’m right? Nope. Does it mean I might just have a bit more of an experienced perspective than some others? Yeah I think so
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Point 6 is more objective to be fair…but either way, you add nothing of value. You can’t even respond to the points you make,, that I then research and respond to? It’s just ego driven nonsense, no debate…

As a heads-up i’ll delete every post you make on a match thread from now on 👍🏻

Up to you if you want to waste your time posting, or take your views onto all those other message boards.

The same for Waltzing also.

posted on 7/11/22

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posted on 8/11/22

What ever happens this season, we can all be proud of our achievements last season.
We got promoted to what is the most difficult league in the world. We did it without resort to cheating, a point that our two East Midlands neighbours might want to note.

Now if Leicester were to be relegated would they be sanctioned under EFL regs? If we think back they went bust [leaving lots of small business's out of pocket] before getting promoted? did they overspend in that season?

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