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posted on 9/11/22

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
Crypto bro extreme individualism

That’s RR’s version of calling someoen a khoont

Ban please 🤣
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It's a fair cop SatNav.

posted on 9/11/22

comment by Yorkshire Red (U22022)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
I'd like to see you gay boys come to Qatar and try your disgusting practices. You'll be sent straight to jail.
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Surely this guy is on the wind up right?

posted on 9/11/22

comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Yorkshire Red (U22022)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
I'd like to see you gay boys come to Qatar and try your disgusting practices. You'll be sent straight to jail.
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Surely this guy is on the wind up right?
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Sounds like someone full of pity with zero hate, for sure

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 9/11/22

comment by Robb - Anti Growth Coallition and Proud (U22716)
posted 4 hours, 18 minutes ago
Bigoted views deserve to be called out.
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Does that just go for the views you disagree with?

posted on 9/11/22

Dr Nas Mohammed (first openly gay Qatari) is on SSN right now. He looks a bit like Freddie Mercury.

posted on 9/11/22

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 26 seconds ago

1) If that's what's happening, it would be relevant.

2) There are both left and right publications. The BBC are still on the left though.

3) I think they force the lefty media to go more to the far left, and companies have to bow to them or lose business.
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1) Are there any of the things I listed that you dispute? All have been widely reported.

2) There are many more right-wing mainstream media publications than left.
The BBC is not left-wing. Does it advocate for public ownership and higher taxes? Does it de-platform voices from the Right? Tory politicians have had significantly more minutes of air-time than opposition MPs over the last decade. Nigel Farage has had a huge amount of BBC exposure over a period of time when his various parties have had no Westminster representation. Compare that with the rare and fleeting appearances of Green party spokespeople. BBC news programs regularly interview hard-right pressure groups that are known to be very opaque about their funding, while introducing them as independent experts and never mentioning they are lobbyists. It would be very easy for the BBC to slant its coverage in the left's favour by correcting some of the above, and justifying it in terms of balance and transparency. If it is a fundamentally left-wing organisation, why wouldn't it do so?
Broadcast media in general is very conscious about being perceived to be neutral, and nervous of accusations of bias. In my view, the more legitimate criticism is that BBC and other public service broadcasters are very timid about reporting objective facts and being willing to point out demonstrable lies. Instead it becomes "X says vs Y says" even if X is clearly lying.

3) It's incredible the power that this ferocious liberal minority wields.
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1) I'm not aware of the university example you gave.

2) I think the BBC is scared of losing its funding, and lobbying groups use that against them. I don't watch much TV anymore, so I'm not aware of who is invited on. Their website has a liberal agenda, but at the same time they support Israel. They're trying to please everyone I guess.

3) Social media has given them that power. Without it, society would be a different place.
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I know the answer is zero, N2, but I'll ask anyway...

Which works on systemic bias in media reporting are you basing your perception of UK media bias on? There's plenty of outstanding work - all of which I'm very familiar with. Not a bit of it aligns with what you're saying (I'm sure you'll plod along in ignorance regardless though).

Much of the 'left' or 'liberal' media (which isn't meaningfully 'left' at all) that you're deriding here have actually been wading a very real and almost completely ignored war (I guess you might call it "cancel culture"on genuine left dissent & politics more broadly, which includes targeting dissenting left wing academics, anti-war voices and leading left-wing political figures, thinkers & so on, or excluding/omitting their analysis or purging them from parties or column inches, forcing their work to the margins.

Final point... *Everyone* has social media; all the major media outlets, and all the reactionary right wing lunatics. The idea that a liberal minority now wields power because of social media is farcical.
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Can you give some examples of those things you mentioned?

As far as social media goes, the liberal activists are the most vocal and they also have their own lobbying groups , and seem to have nothing else to do.

posted on 9/11/22

comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Dr Nas Mohammed (first openly gay Qatari) is on SSN right now. He looks a bit like Freddie Mercury.
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He's not fooling anyone with that rabbit on his face though.

posted on 9/11/22

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
Nobody really thinks for themselves. We are all influenced by parents, siblings, school, friends, newspapers, radio, TV, perhaps University. I've even been influenced, a little, on here.
My brain isn't in a sound proof bubble allowing me to just think on my own.
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We may be influenced by many things, but that doesn't me we shouldn't think things through ourselves. You should be able to answer why you believe in something.
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Most people believe something because of information received from one of those sources.

posted on 9/11/22

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Dr Nas Mohammed (first openly gay Qatari) is on SSN right now. He looks a bit like Freddie Mercury.
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He's not fooling anyone with that rabbit on his face though.
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posted on 9/11/22

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56323825.amp

This story is very interesting and provides a certain quantity of evidence against the theory that homosexuality is exclusively learned behaviour.

posted on 9/11/22

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
1) I'm not aware of the university example you gave.

2) I think the BBC is scared of losing its funding, and lobbying groups use that against them. I don't watch much TV anymore, so I'm not aware of who is invited on. Their website has a liberal agenda, but at the same time they support Israel. They're trying to please everyone I guess.

3) Social media has given them that power. Without it, society would be a different place.

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1) So you accept the other examples? So you therefore accept that right-wing suppression of liberal discourse is a genuine phenomenon? In which case, do you still contend that threats to freedom of speech come mainly from the Left?
Re: universities, the government introduced legislation to fine universities for hosting events where a speaker is de-platformed for political reasons. (Actually, while 'woke universities' is the subject a lot of right-wing uproar, this has only happened a handful of occasions over the last few years.)

2) So you've made a blanket statement about the BBC being left-wing but you don't actual consume much of its content? As you said, you form your opinions on your own.

3) Why is the liberal minority more empowered by social media than the conservative majority? I come across a lot of right-wing rage on Twitter, Facebook, etc. The online Right is definitely not more shy and meek than the Left. Where does this tyrannical, freedom-of-speech-suppressing leftist power come from? Is it maybe because they have better arguments?
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2. I think the BBC is a bit left-leaning, centre-left perhaps.

Public perception:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/is-the-bbc-more-favourable-towards-labour-the-left-or-the-conservatives-the-right

Didn’t the former director general admit it was riddled with left-wing bias?

posted on 9/11/22

The rape bros are back

posted on 9/11/22

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 8 minutes ago
I generally find that the people who claim to do their own research and not follow group think; are usually the ones who are more susceptible to being influenced by extreme ideologies and narratives.
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Sounds like a stereotype. The crowd themselves can go to extremes, but you won't see it if you're in it.

posted on 9/11/22

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Dr Nas Mohammed (first openly gay Qatari) is on SSN right now. He looks a bit like Freddie Mercury.
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He's not fooling anyone with that rabbit on his face though.
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posted on 9/11/22

comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
Dr Nas Mohammed (first openly gay Qatari) is on SSN right now. He looks a bit like Freddie Mercury.
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He seems under pressure.

posted on 9/11/22

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
Nobody really thinks for themselves. We are all influenced by parents, siblings, school, friends, newspapers, radio, TV, perhaps University. I've even been influenced, a little, on here.
My brain isn't in a sound proof bubble allowing me to just think on my own.
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We may be influenced by many things, but that doesn't me we shouldn't think things through ourselves. You should be able to answer why you believe in something.
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Most people believe something because of information received from one of those sources.

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Which is why it's good to have multiple sources.

posted on 9/11/22

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
Dr Nas Mohammed (first openly gay Qatari) is on SSN right now. He looks a bit like Freddie Mercury.
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He seems under pressure.
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Definitely reframes We Will Rock You!

posted on 9/11/22

comment by N2 (U22280)

Can you give some examples of those things you mentioned?

As far as social media goes, the liberal activists are the most vocal and they also have their own lobbying groups , and seem to have nothing else to do.
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Examples of the work on systemic media bias in the UK, or of so-called 'left' media (in reality, 'left' on a narrow *corporate* media spectrum) punching... left?

But I'm curious why you would ask for such examples? You seem to have some pretty strong views on media, yet how can that be the case if you're aren't familiar with this stuff?

And again on social media... How are you measuring the claim that "liberal activists are the most vocal"? And surely any voice being more vocal than another is only problematic if those voices happen to be evidence defying, promoting causes that harm others or are just plain wrong, no? Do right-wing voices not have "lobby groups"? You seem to be assigning a uniqueness to 'left' or 'liberal' views & activism that you can't actually evidence.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/11/22

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Dr Nas Mohammed (first openly gay Qatari) is on SSN right now. He looks a bit like Freddie Mercury.
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He's not fooling anyone with that rabbit on his face though.
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He is actually Barry's ex trying to infiltrate the Qatari LGBTQ+ community, in an attempt to bring it down from the inside as some kind of misguided revenge for the atrocities that she suffered at the hands of Barry's snake.

posted on 9/11/22

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)

Can you give some examples of those things you mentioned?

As far as social media goes, the liberal activists are the most vocal and they also have their own lobbying groups , and seem to have nothing else to do.
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Examples of the work on systemic media bias in the UK, or of so-called 'left' media (in reality, 'left' on a narrow *corporate* media spectrum) punching... left?

But I'm curious why you would ask for such examples? You seem to have some pretty strong views on media, yet how can that be the case if you're aren't familiar with this stuff?

And again on social media... How are you measuring the claim that "liberal activists are the most vocal"? And surely any voice being more vocal than another is only problematic if those voices happen to be evidence defying, promoting causes that harm others or are just plain wrong, no? Do right-wing voices not have "lobby groups"? You seem to be assigning a uniqueness to 'left' or 'liberal' views & activism that you can't actually evidence.
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When they're left wing they're "lobby groups", when they're right wing they're "think tanks".

posted on 9/11/22

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)

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2. I think the BBC is a bit left-leaning, centre-left perhaps.

Public perception:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/is-the-bbc-more-favourable-towards-labour-the-left-or-the-conservatives-the-right

Didn’t the former director general admit it was riddled with left-wing bias?
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Public perception is wrong here though. We have all the study & analysis of print & broadcast media's output & systemic bias we could ever need to properly inform us on these issues.

And the terms of the question here doesn't adequately reflect systemic bias in media coverage because systemic bias in media coverage is not really about left vs right, though this is how discourse on media bias is usually framed.

People really need to read their Herman & Chomsky (and then equivalent UK-based work).

posted on 9/11/22

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by N2 (U22280)

Can you give some examples of those things you mentioned?

As far as social media goes, the liberal activists are the most vocal and they also have their own lobbying groups , and seem to have nothing else to do.
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Examples of the work on systemic media bias in the UK, or of so-called 'left' media (in reality, 'left' on a narrow *corporate* media spectrum) punching... left?

But I'm curious why you would ask for such examples? You seem to have some pretty strong views on media, yet how can that be the case if you're aren't familiar with this stuff?

And again on social media... How are you measuring the claim that "liberal activists are the most vocal"? And surely any voice being more vocal than another is only problematic if those voices happen to be evidence defying, promoting causes that harm others or are just plain wrong, no? Do right-wing voices not have "lobby groups"? You seem to be assigning a uniqueness to 'left' or 'liberal' views & activism that you can't actually evidence.
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I think this will be a useful read on Twitter:

https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2019/04/24/sizing-up-twitter-users/

I don’t think it’s a stretch to believe the following:

Social media users are more likely to be younger
Younger people are more likely to be left-leaning/progressive
Trending etc the scenario grows.



I think there might be right wing alternative platforms but I don’t think any of them are particularly big ( I could be wrong I don’t know them).

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/11/22

comment by Graham Villas-Potter (U6489)
posted 9 minutes ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56323825.amp

This story is very interesting and provides a certain quantity of evidence against the theory that homosexuality is exclusively learned behaviour.
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Crazy. Imagine having no concept of what being gay is?

posted on 9/11/22

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 8 minutes ago
I generally find that the people who claim to do their own research and not follow group think; are usually the ones who are more susceptible to being influenced by extreme ideologies and narratives.
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Sounds like a stereotype. The crowd themselves can go to extremes, but you won't see it if you're in it.
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It is partially a stereotype, but one based on experience of people who claim those things.

I don't think you can really complain about stereotypes though, when your whole narrative is about stereotyping the masses as group thinkers whilst promoting yourself as some pioneering free thinker.

posted on 9/11/22

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 8 minutes ago
I generally find that the people who claim to do their own research and not follow group think; are usually the ones who are more susceptible to being influenced by extreme ideologies and narratives.
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Sounds like a stereotype. The crowd themselves can go to extremes, but you won't see it if you're in it.
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It is partially a stereotype, but one based on experience of people who claim those things.

I don't think you can really complain about stereotypes though, when your whole narrative is about stereotyping the masses as group thinkers whilst promoting yourself as some pioneering free thinker.
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Especially when he’s Muslim and parrots carefully curated arguments from the Daily Mail about ‘wokeism’.

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