comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 8 minutes ago
Scholay - agreed. I believe it’s imperative for Muslims to leave the lands of non Muslims. It’s becoming a necessity. In fact I’d argue we are on the line of obligatory here tbh.
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Are you a Muslim, and when are your plane tickets for?

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 2 minutes ago
Completely agree with the OP. Sick to death with the constant bitterness from the West in relation to Qatar. Who the hell are we to preach to them how to behave? We're full of schmbags and lowlifes in this part of the world. You don't have to agree with there culture, beliefs or hospitality, but its THEIR culture and beliefs and they should be respected.

How many on here would tolerate someone from down there street knocking on your door and telling you how and when to cut your lawn, how to raise your kids, when to clean the windows, what car to drive etc.....
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Am I the only one that suspects every post like this is actually Barry?
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Yeh, as soon as I started reading it I thought it was Barry. He must have multiple accounts.


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It just shows the worrying trend of so many of these idiots reaching the level of parody.

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 7 minutes ago
Scholay - agreed. I believe it’s imperative for Muslims to leave the lands of non Muslims. It’s becoming a necessity. In fact I’d argue we are on the line of obligatory here tbh.
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Considering emigrating UWW?

Finally got tired of people actively and vocally supporting your freedom of expression, freedom of speech, and right to choose which religion you follow and practise?

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 9 minutes ago
Scholay it’s imperative to stray strong in your beliefs and convictions. To never be swayed by the extremist liberals and their agenda.
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Watch out Scholay, he'll be wanting to hold your hand next!
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And I would have no issues with this. I am not a wayward muslim. The act of cutting peoples hands or stoning people I am against 100%. As with all religions, there are people that take it to the extreme.

I have zero problem with gay people, as already alluded I could not care less what others are doing. I am too busy trying to stay healthy and be a success in this life.

However, let other countries govern their country how they want it governed. The days of invading others countries and slavery is long gone, deal with it
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Oh FFS. We were all so looking forwards to invading some countries and getting ourselves some slaves. What we gonna do now lads?
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I was really looking forward to Southgate and the boys coming home with the trophy and three new colonies as well.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 8 minutes ago
Scholay - agreed. I believe it’s imperative for Muslims to leave the lands of non Muslims. It’s becoming a necessity. In fact I’d argue we are on the line of obligatory here tbh.
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Are you a Muslim, and when are your plane tickets for?
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And does the country you are moving to allow the use of the internet? ***crosses fingers***

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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am not the one that believes in stories made up hundreds of years ago.
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I can’t wait to see his reply to that.
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You will wait for eternity because I don't answer to stupid.

comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 9 minutes ago
Scholay it’s imperative to stray strong in your beliefs and convictions. To never be swayed by the extremist liberals and their agenda.
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Watch out Scholay, he'll be wanting to hold your hand next!
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And I would have no issues with this. I am not a wayward muslim. The act of cutting peoples hands or stoning people I am against 100%. As with all religions, there are people that take it to the extreme.

I have zero problem with gay people, as already alluded I could not care less what others are doing. I am too busy trying to stay healthy and be a success in this life.

However, let other countries govern their country how they want it governed. The days of invading others countries and slavery is long gone, deal with it
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Oh FFS. We were all so looking forwards to invading some countries and getting ourselves some slaves. What we gonna do now lads?
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I was really looking forward to Southgate and the boys coming home with the trophy and three new colonies as well.
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Three Zions on the shirt?

comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 2 minutes ago
Completely agree with the OP. Sick to death with the constant bitterness from the West in relation to Qatar. Who the hell are we to preach to them how to behave? We're full of schmbags and lowlifes in this part of the world. You don't have to agree with there culture, beliefs or hospitality, but its THEIR culture and beliefs and they should be respected.

How many on here would tolerate someone from down there street knocking on your door and telling you how and when to cut your lawn, how to raise your kids, when to clean the windows, what car to drive etc.....
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Am I the only one that suspects every post like this is actually Barry?
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Yeh, as soon as I started reading it I thought it was Barry. He must have multiple accounts.


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It just shows the worrying trend of so many of these idiots reaching the level of parody.
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Maybe they don't realise Barry's stuff is parody and have been inspired by him to voice their own opinions along those lines? Is there even a word for that?

comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 7 minutes ago
Completely agree with the OP. Sick to death with the constant bitterness from the West in relation to Qatar. Who the hell are we to preach to them how to behave? We're full of schmbags and lowlifes in this part of the world. You don't have to agree with there culture, beliefs or hospitality, but its THEIR culture and beliefs and they should be respected.

How many on here would tolerate someone from down there street knocking on your door and telling you how and when to cut your lawn, how to raise your kids, when to clean the windows, what car to drive etc.....
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Telling you who you could sleep with

Is this a Dummkopf Konvenshun?

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am not the one that believes in stories made up hundreds of years ago.
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I can’t wait to see his reply to that.
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You will wait for eternity because I don't answer to stupid.
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Stupid for not believing in made up stories that are used to control people.

Maybe they don't realise Barry's stuff is parody and have been inspired by him to voice their own opinions along those lines? Is there even a word for that?
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Thick.

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posted 10 minutes ago
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posted 12 minutes ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
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posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
It does get confusing when all the bigots unite though!
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Your group is the one that gets upset over different opinions, so look in the mirror.
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Yes, I just made that very clear above... I'm tired of pretending that your views are just different to opinions
to mine... Your views are disgusting and the quicker they are consigned to history, the better (assuming you share the same views as the OP).
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He usually defends people with these kind of views. Apparently the ‘woke brigade’ are the real problem. Not the pieces of shiiiiit like him, Nohlman and the OP.
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Criticising illiberal views = censorship / cancellation.

Disseminating misinformation or proposing subjugation of minority groups = the marketplace of ideas.

It's a political movement that has absolutely no interest in free speech, only suppressing liberal discourse.
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Have you turned into Barry? You've got your comment upside down.
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There are so many examples of contemporary right-wing populism suppressing / controlling speech in the name of protecting freedom of speech.

- UK government attempting to police university lecturers and teachers in case of left-wing bias
- UK government stuffing the BBC board / oversight functions with partisan Tories.
- UK government repeatedly putting forward the rabidly anti-liberal Paul Dacre to lead OFCOM, which regulates the media.
- UK government enacting laws that drastically restrict the right to legally protest, with the subjectively defined potential to cause a nuisance sufficient to justify arrest. This week journalists filming a protest were arrested and detained, despite showing their press credentials.
- Removing books that promote tolerance from educational syllabus and libraries in the USA - and actual book burning.

These are instances of mainstream right-wing politics in power exercising real-world curbs on freedom of speech. What are the counter examples from the liberal-left?

- Hate speech laws. If you feel that the public space should be a free for all to discriminate against and urge arm to certain groups, please feel free to defend that argument.
- The 'cancellation' narrative. Generally we have a very polarised and nasty online culture, and I'm not a fan of herd pile-ons. But let's be honest that every part of the political spectrum engages in the nastiness, bullying, calls for sacking, etc. And everyone is guilty of selective outrage when one of their allies has been attacked, while ignoring it when someone they disagree with is. Moreover, I've seen lots of examples of people being justifiably critiqued, and then using the 'cancellation' narrative to deflect from the original. Sometimes these martyrs do extensive rounds in national print and TV media talking about their cancellation.
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The government have their own agenda. The media and companies however, try to appease the left, because of they don't the lefty mob will come after them. They are a vocal minority that like to complain a lot. There are evil things going on both on the far right and left.
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Just to check whether I've understood correctly:

1) Right-wing governments suppressing liberal discourse in the various ways listed isn't relevant to a discussion of whether the right or left is more censorious?

2) 'The media' (including the Mail and sister papers, Express and sister publications, the Telegraph, the Sun and Murdoch's other media interests, Fox news, a BBC stuffed with Tory oversight appointees) is homogeneously left-wing and / appeasing the Left / suppressing right-wing views.

3) A vocal left-wing minority has reduced 'the media and companies' into a state fearful self-censorship.

Anything I misunderstood?
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1) If that's what's happening, it would be relevant.

2) There are both left and right publications. The BBC are still on the left though.

3) I think they force the lefty media to go more to the far left, and companies have to bow to them or lose business.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 5 minutes ago
‘ The days of invading others countries and slavery is long gone’

Maybe tell that to Qatar.
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To be fair, the Qataris would never consider supporting the kind of imperial invasion of sovereign territory we saw in the Gulf War, Libyan Civil War, the Saudi Arabian intervention in Yemen or the Syrian Civil War, to pick four examples for absolutely no specific reason, whatsoever.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 31 seconds ago
I don't see anyone suppressing liberal views.

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There was a post somewhere on here today where a guy was basically telling people to stop voicing opposition to homophobia in Qatar, to shut up and watch the football. I'll try and find it.

Oh, it's this exact post
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He's not an authority to cancel anyone, is he?
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What are your views on hate speech?
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The op did say he didn't hate them.
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I am asking you about your opinion on hate speech in view of your opinions on cancel culture.

Do you believe people should be free to say whatever they like, regardless of whether it might instigate hatred and ultimately violence against others?
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I don't advocate absolute free speech.
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So where is the limit, where do you draw the line?
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Preaching violence for one.

Here is the thing. According to a UK investigation 6500 workers died building the stadiums. According to Quatar 3 people died. If weren't such a serious topic it would be comedy gold.

How can you defend this OP?

comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 2 minutes ago
Completely agree with the OP. Sick to death with the constant bitterness from the West in relation to Qatar. Who the hell are we to preach to them how to behave? We're full of schmbags and lowlifes in this part of the world. You don't have to agree with there culture, beliefs or hospitality, but its THEIR culture and beliefs and they should be respected.

How many on here would tolerate someone from down there street knocking on your door and telling you how and when to cut your lawn, how to raise your kids, when to clean the windows, what car to drive etc.....
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Am I the only one that suspects every post like this is actually Barry?
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I sometimes think that, but then at others I simply tell myself than soaking your brain in booze is just as dangerous as giving it no drugs whatsoever.

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Robb - every country has its own moral codes and ideas and that’s their right. You go to another country you follow their laws and rules.
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So what do you think of muslims living in western countries applying their own shariah law?

Those 3 probably died from being gay.

comment by Clogfack (U1250)
posted 3 minutes ago
Here is the thing. According to a UK investigation 6500 workers died building the stadiums. According to Quatar 3 people died. If weren't such a serious topic it would be comedy gold.

How can you defend this OP?
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They didn't die; they were just brainwashed by the internet into thinking they were dead.

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
I don’t need to share anything. I keep my personal beliefs to myself
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You literally share your personal beliefs on every topic and thread

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am not the one that believes in stories made up hundreds of years ago.
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I can’t wait to see his reply to that.
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You will wait for eternity because I don't answer to stupid.
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Stupid for not believing in made up stories that are used to control people.


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It would be clueless to think every religious founder was trying to control people.

I read the first page and automatically assumed that the OP dislikes the West, hates freedom of speech and freedom of choice and then thought what would UWW think?

Then I saw his comments

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comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
It does get confusing when all the bigots unite though!
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Your group is the one that gets upset over different opinions, so look in the mirror.
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Yes, I just made that very clear above... I'm tired of pretending that your views are just different to opinions
to mine... Your views are disgusting and the quicker they are consigned to history, the better (assuming you share the same views as the OP).
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He usually defends people with these kind of views. Apparently the ‘woke brigade’ are the real problem. Not the pieces of shiiiiit like him, Nohlman and the OP.
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Criticising illiberal views = censorship / cancellation.

Disseminating misinformation or proposing subjugation of minority groups = the marketplace of ideas.

It's a political movement that has absolutely no interest in free speech, only suppressing liberal discourse.
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Have you turned into Barry? You've got your comment upside down.
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There are so many examples of contemporary right-wing populism suppressing / controlling speech in the name of protecting freedom of speech.

- UK government attempting to police university lecturers and teachers in case of left-wing bias
- UK government stuffing the BBC board / oversight functions with partisan Tories.
- UK government repeatedly putting forward the rabidly anti-liberal Paul Dacre to lead OFCOM, which regulates the media.
- UK government enacting laws that drastically restrict the right to legally protest, with the subjectively defined potential to cause a nuisance sufficient to justify arrest. This week journalists filming a protest were arrested and detained, despite showing their press credentials.
- Removing books that promote tolerance from educational syllabus and libraries in the USA - and actual book burning.

These are instances of mainstream right-wing politics in power exercising real-world curbs on freedom of speech. What are the counter examples from the liberal-left?

- Hate speech laws. If you feel that the public space should be a free for all to discriminate against and urge arm to certain groups, please feel free to defend that argument.
- The 'cancellation' narrative. Generally we have a very polarised and nasty online culture, and I'm not a fan of herd pile-ons. But let's be honest that every part of the political spectrum engages in the nastiness, bullying, calls for sacking, etc. And everyone is guilty of selective outrage when one of their allies has been attacked, while ignoring it when someone they disagree with is. Moreover, I've seen lots of examples of people being justifiably critiqued, and then using the 'cancellation' narrative to deflect from the original. Sometimes these martyrs do extensive rounds in national print and TV media talking about their cancellation.
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The government have their own agenda. The media and companies however, try to appease the left, because of they don't the lefty mob will come after them. They are a vocal minority that like to complain a lot. There are evil things going on both on the far right and left.
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Just to check whether I've understood correctly:

1) Right-wing governments suppressing liberal discourse in the various ways listed isn't relevant to a discussion of whether the right or left is more censorious?

2) 'The media' (including the Mail and sister papers, Express and sister publications, the Telegraph, the Sun and Murdoch's other media interests, Fox news, a BBC stuffed with Tory oversight appointees) is homogeneously left-wing and / appeasing the Left / suppressing right-wing views.

3) A vocal left-wing minority has reduced 'the media and companies' into a state fearful self-censorship.

Anything I misunderstood?
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1) If that's what's happening, it would be relevant.

2) There are both left and right publications. The BBC are still on the left though.

3) I think they force the lefty media to go more to the far left, and companies have to bow to them or lose business.
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You write this and yet you still deny reading the Daily Mail.