comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 45 minutes ago
what context and what comment?
I accept the history of England in WCs as you have listed . It shows, as we all know, that apart form 1966 it has been a catalogue of underachievement against the perceived standing that Englsh football has been regarded, (mainly in England). Basically we arent as good as we think. Never had been. Countries newer to football like USA, some in Asia etc... have caught up with us and on last night's game and may have even overtaken us.
Just qualifying in a WC and especially (much harder) in a Euros group is an achievement for England and first or second place will do.
But still dont know what peak England means. (Is it the best level England have been... ie in 1966?)
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England currently have no players near the quality of say Banks, Moore, Greaves, Charlton, Hurst etc.
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Hurst, if he didn’t get a hat trick in the final no one would mention him, Greaves was Englands great striker but was injured. Kane is every bit as good as Hurst as his record shows.
I will give you Banks, Moore and Charlton.
But so what, Brazil don’t have Pele, Garrincha, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Kaka, Gerzinho, Riverlinho, Carlos, Cafu
Germany don’t have Der Bomber, Rumenigge, Klinnsmann, Bremer, Voller, Kahn, Lahm
This English squad is top 4 in the world currently with Brazil, France, Spain. The French have been decimated with Injuries otherwise they would be out on their own.
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 43 seconds ago
what context and what comment?
I accept the history of England in WCs as you have listed . It shows, as we all know, that apart form 1966 it has been a catalogue of underachievement against the perceived standing that Englsh football has been regarded, (mainly in England). Basically we arent as good as we think. Never had been. Countries newer to football like USA, some in Asia etc... have caught up with us and on last night's game and may have even overtaken us.
Just qualifying in a WC and especially (much harder) in a Euros group is an achievement for England and first or second place will do.
But still dont know what peak England means. (Is it the best level England have been... ie in 1966?)
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Again that’s bollox though, the only show in town is the South Americans and Europe. Asian, African and North American sides in world cups where more than 8 teams qualify - Quarter finals is quite rare, Semi finals we are talking only South Korea on home soil in 2002 and USA in 1930 when.
England We’re World Cup semi finalists 4 years ago and have made that stage 3 times, our average finishing position at world cups is the Quarter final. Those sides that you reckon have caught up are miles and miles behind.
Furthermore, England have never lost to either and African or Asian side at the World Cup and but did lose to USA in the 1930’s.
++++++
1950s
We are utterly dominant over those sides.
++++
Close games actually. eg. Rewatch the Camaroon game in 1990. Morrocco in 1986. Egypt in 1990. Algeria 2010. Thats 4 games and just one win. Hardly dominance.
Generally the great World Cup sides are:
Brazil
Germany
Italy
And personally I think France should be there now
+++++
Historically have been, yes.
Then you have
Argentina
++++
stick them in the group above
.
Then
Spain
England
Uruguay
++++++
stick Holland and Portugal in there.
We should nearly always make the quarters and winning the group can often give us a path to a semi before plying a truly side
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You seem to be agreeing with me whilst trying to disagree with me.
We rarely get to play African or Asian teams in the WC. Mainly European teams (Poland Ukraine Checz Denmark Slovinia etc) and South/Central American (Columbia Paraguay Chile Jamaica Panama etc)
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We’ve played African sides 16 times at the World Cup and not lost a single one of them - we are dominant. No African side has ever made a World Cup semi - it is ludicrous to compare England to the African sides as they have never been good enough - mostly because their FA’s are corrupt and don’t funnel the money back into the game - also African qualifying is brutal compared to Europe and South America.
Argentina are not in the group above 2 World Cup wins, one on home soil and generally considered the lost corrupt World Cup ever. They cheated again in 86, but also scored the greatest goal ever - so I’m conflicted.
They made 2 further finals but I’m not having them in the same league as Brazil and Germany - their records are astounding - pre 2018 Germany had only failed to make the World Cup semi final once when Bulgaria knocked them out in the quarters of 1994. Brazil have only ever lost 1 group game. Just insane records.
Portugal haven’t ever made a World Cup final and have only made the Semis twice - they are a good Euros team and less than average World Cup side. I agree about Holland though, I will re revise the list to
Tier 1
Brazil
Germany
Tier 2
Italy
France
Argentina
Tier 3
Spain
Uruguay
England
Holland
Again, realistically we should be making the Quarters nearly every time and we could creep our average finishing place up to semi finalists if we start winning the groups more often and taking the easier path
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we havent played African teams16 times in World Cups. It's 6. I also forgot to list the 0-0 game with Nigeria 2002 too.
See my previous post for England record vs Africa in World Cups. Never been beat, won 4 out of 7 but all hard close games. Not very good really considering how much better some English people insist we are/have been than African teams when it counts.
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So a 60% win record and 0 losses.
Apologies the 16 games includes friendlies - yet still we have never lost to an African side, ever.
We are utterly dominant
Im wasnt trying to say if we were better then than now I was just trying to understand what your phrase Peak England means as you use it to support your arguements
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posted 19 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 43 seconds ago
what context and what comment?
I accept the history of England in WCs as you have listed . It shows, as we all know, that apart form 1966 it has been a catalogue of underachievement against the perceived standing that Englsh football has been regarded, (mainly in England). Basically we arent as good as we think. Never had been. Countries newer to football like USA, some in Asia etc... have caught up with us and on last night's game and may have even overtaken us.
Just qualifying in a WC and especially (much harder) in a Euros group is an achievement for England and first or second place will do.
But still dont know what peak England means. (Is it the best level England have been... ie in 1966?)
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Again that’s bollox though, the only show in town is the South Americans and Europe. Asian, African and North American sides in world cups where more than 8 teams qualify - Quarter finals is quite rare, Semi finals we are talking only South Korea on home soil in 2002 and USA in 1930 when.
England We’re World Cup semi finalists 4 years ago and have made that stage 3 times, our average finishing position at world cups is the Quarter final. Those sides that you reckon have caught up are miles and miles behind.
Furthermore, England have never lost to either and African or Asian side at the World Cup and but did lose to USA in the 1930’s.
++++++
1950s
We are utterly dominant over those sides.
++++
Close games actually. eg. Rewatch the Camaroon game in 1990. Morrocco in 1986. Egypt in 1990. Algeria 2010. Thats 4 games and just one win. Hardly dominance.
Generally the great World Cup sides are:
Brazil
Germany
Italy
And personally I think France should be there now
+++++
Historically have been, yes.
Then you have
Argentina
++++
stick them in the group above
.
Then
Spain
England
Uruguay
++++++
stick Holland and Portugal in there.
We should nearly always make the quarters and winning the group can often give us a path to a semi before plying a truly side
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You seem to be agreeing with me whilst trying to disagree with me.
We rarely get to play African or Asian teams in the WC. Mainly European teams (Poland Ukraine Checz Denmark Slovinia etc) and South/Central American (Columbia Paraguay Chile Jamaica Panama etc)
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We’ve played African sides 16 times at the World Cup and not lost a single one of them - we are dominant. No African side has ever made a World Cup semi - it is ludicrous to compare England to the African sides as they have never been good enough - mostly because their FA’s are corrupt and don’t funnel the money back into the game - also African qualifying is brutal compared to Europe and South America.
Argentina are not in the group above 2 World Cup wins, one on home soil and generally considered the lost corrupt World Cup ever. They cheated again in 86, but also scored the greatest goal ever - so I’m conflicted.
They made 2 further finals but I’m not having them in the same league as Brazil and Germany - their records are astounding - pre 2018 Germany had only failed to make the World Cup semi final once when Bulgaria knocked them out in the quarters of 1994. Brazil have only ever lost 1 group game. Just insane records.
Portugal haven’t ever made a World Cup final and have only made the Semis twice - they are a good Euros team and less than average World Cup side. I agree about Holland though, I will re revise the list to
Tier 1
Brazil
Germany
Tier 2
Italy
France
Argentina
Tier 3
Spain
Uruguay
England
Holland
Again, realistically we should be making the Quarters nearly every time and we could creep our average finishing place up to semi finalists if we start winning the groups more often and taking the easier path
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we havent played African teams16 times in World Cups. It's 6. I also forgot to list the 0-0 game with Nigeria 2002 too.
See my previous post for England record vs Africa in World Cups. Never been beat, won 4 out of 7 but all hard close games. Not very good really considering how much better some English people insist we are/have been than African teams when it counts.
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So a 60% win record and 0 losses.
Apologies the 16 games includes friendlies - yet still we have never lost to an African side, ever.
We are utterly dominant
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we were embarrasing in half of those games
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 9 minutes ago
Maybe we will draw with Wales and USA will do us a favour and narrowly beat Iran, so we'd still be top on GD. My prediction at the start of this group was that we'd go through on 5 points.
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Maybe, my concern is the game between USA and Iran being level with 5 mins to go, USA having to win and throwing everyone forwards including the keeper at corners and Iran getting a winner on the break. Meanwhile England play a load of pointless sideways football because we are quite happy with a 0-0 as we’re as good as through.
What I want to see is England take the group by the short and curlys and beat the Welsh
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 43 seconds ago
what context and what comment?
I accept the history of England in WCs as you have listed . It shows, as we all know, that apart form 1966 it has been a catalogue of underachievement against the perceived standing that Englsh football has been regarded, (mainly in England). Basically we arent as good as we think. Never had been. Countries newer to football like USA, some in Asia etc... have caught up with us and on last night's game and may have even overtaken us.
Just qualifying in a WC and especially (much harder) in a Euros group is an achievement for England and first or second place will do.
But still dont know what peak England means. (Is it the best level England have been... ie in 1966?)
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Again that’s bollox though, the only show in town is the South Americans and Europe. Asian, African and North American sides in world cups where more than 8 teams qualify - Quarter finals is quite rare, Semi finals we are talking only South Korea on home soil in 2002 and USA in 1930 when.
England We’re World Cup semi finalists 4 years ago and have made that stage 3 times, our average finishing position at world cups is the Quarter final. Those sides that you reckon have caught up are miles and miles behind.
Furthermore, England have never lost to either and African or Asian side at the World Cup and but did lose to USA in the 1930’s.
++++++
1950s
We are utterly dominant over those sides.
++++
Close games actually. eg. Rewatch the Camaroon game in 1990. Morrocco in 1986. Egypt in 1990. Algeria 2010. Thats 4 games and just one win. Hardly dominance.
Generally the great World Cup sides are:
Brazil
Germany
Italy
And personally I think France should be there now
+++++
Historically have been, yes.
Then you have
Argentina
++++
stick them in the group above
.
Then
Spain
England
Uruguay
++++++
stick Holland and Portugal in there.
We should nearly always make the quarters and winning the group can often give us a path to a semi before plying a truly side
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You seem to be agreeing with me whilst trying to disagree with me.
We rarely get to play African or Asian teams in the WC. Mainly European teams (Poland Ukraine Checz Denmark Slovinia etc) and South/Central American (Columbia Paraguay Chile Jamaica Panama etc)
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We’ve played African sides 16 times at the World Cup and not lost a single one of them - we are dominant. No African side has ever made a World Cup semi - it is ludicrous to compare England to the African sides as they have never been good enough - mostly because their FA’s are corrupt and don’t funnel the money back into the game - also African qualifying is brutal compared to Europe and South America.
Argentina are not in the group above 2 World Cup wins, one on home soil and generally considered the lost corrupt World Cup ever. They cheated again in 86, but also scored the greatest goal ever - so I’m conflicted.
They made 2 further finals but I’m not having them in the same league as Brazil and Germany - their records are astounding - pre 2018 Germany had only failed to make the World Cup semi final once when Bulgaria knocked them out in the quarters of 1994. Brazil have only ever lost 1 group game. Just insane records.
Portugal haven’t ever made a World Cup final and have only made the Semis twice - they are a good Euros team and less than average World Cup side. I agree about Holland though, I will re revise the list to
Tier 1
Brazil
Germany
Tier 2
Italy
France
Argentina
Tier 3
Spain
Uruguay
England
Holland
Again, realistically we should be making the Quarters nearly every time and we could creep our average finishing place up to semi finalists if we start winning the groups more often and taking the easier path
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we havent played African teams16 times in World Cups. It's 6. I also forgot to list the 0-0 game with Nigeria 2002 too.
See my previous post for England record vs Africa in World Cups. Never been beat, won 4 out of 7 but all hard close games. Not very good really considering how much better some English people insist we are/have been than African teams when it counts.
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So a 60% win record and 0 losses.
Apologies the 16 games includes friendlies - yet still we have never lost to an African side, ever.
We are utterly dominant
----------------------------------------------------------------------
we were embarrasing in half of those games
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Agreed, even more baffling then that we have never been beaten by an African side even though we played schitt in half those games - we must be really dominant
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 9 minutes ago
Maybe we will draw with Wales and USA will do us a favour and narrowly beat Iran, so we'd still be top on GD. My prediction at the start of this group was that we'd go through on 5 points.
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Maybe, my concern is the game between USA and Iran being level with 5 mins to go, USA having to win and throwing everyone forwards including the keeper at corners and Iran getting a winner on the break. Meanwhile England play a load of pointless sideways football because we are quite happy with a 0-0 as we’re as good as through.
What I want to see is England take the group by the short and curlys and beat the Welsh
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Yes, there's a real chance Iran beat USA and we drop points against Wales to come second.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 43 seconds ago
what context and what comment?
I accept the history of England in WCs as you have listed . It shows, as we all know, that apart form 1966 it has been a catalogue of underachievement against the perceived standing that Englsh football has been regarded, (mainly in England). Basically we arent as good as we think. Never had been. Countries newer to football like USA, some in Asia etc... have caught up with us and on last night's game and may have even overtaken us.
Just qualifying in a WC and especially (much harder) in a Euros group is an achievement for England and first or second place will do.
But still dont know what peak England means. (Is it the best level England have been... ie in 1966?)
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Again that’s bollox though, the only show in town is the South Americans and Europe. Asian, African and North American sides in world cups where more than 8 teams qualify - Quarter finals is quite rare, Semi finals we are talking only South Korea on home soil in 2002 and USA in 1930 when.
England We’re World Cup semi finalists 4 years ago and have made that stage 3 times, our average finishing position at world cups is the Quarter final. Those sides that you reckon have caught up are miles and miles behind.
Furthermore, England have never lost to either and African or Asian side at the World Cup and but did lose to USA in the 1930’s.
++++++
1950s
We are utterly dominant over those sides.
++++
Close games actually. eg. Rewatch the Camaroon game in 1990. Morrocco in 1986. Egypt in 1990. Algeria 2010. Thats 4 games and just one win. Hardly dominance.
Generally the great World Cup sides are:
Brazil
Germany
Italy
And personally I think France should be there now
+++++
Historically have been, yes.
Then you have
Argentina
++++
stick them in the group above
.
Then
Spain
England
Uruguay
++++++
stick Holland and Portugal in there.
We should nearly always make the quarters and winning the group can often give us a path to a semi before plying a truly side
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You seem to be agreeing with me whilst trying to disagree with me.
We rarely get to play African or Asian teams in the WC. Mainly European teams (Poland Ukraine Checz Denmark Slovinia etc) and South/Central American (Columbia Paraguay Chile Jamaica Panama etc)
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We’ve played African sides 16 times at the World Cup and not lost a single one of them - we are dominant. No African side has ever made a World Cup semi - it is ludicrous to compare England to the African sides as they have never been good enough - mostly because their FA’s are corrupt and don’t funnel the money back into the game - also African qualifying is brutal compared to Europe and South America.
Argentina are not in the group above 2 World Cup wins, one on home soil and generally considered the lost corrupt World Cup ever. They cheated again in 86, but also scored the greatest goal ever - so I’m conflicted.
They made 2 further finals but I’m not having them in the same league as Brazil and Germany - their records are astounding - pre 2018 Germany had only failed to make the World Cup semi final once when Bulgaria knocked them out in the quarters of 1994. Brazil have only ever lost 1 group game. Just insane records.
Portugal haven’t ever made a World Cup final and have only made the Semis twice - they are a good Euros team and less than average World Cup side. I agree about Holland though, I will re revise the list to
Tier 1
Brazil
Germany
Tier 2
Italy
France
Argentina
Tier 3
Spain
Uruguay
England
Holland
Again, realistically we should be making the Quarters nearly every time and we could creep our average finishing place up to semi finalists if we start winning the groups more often and taking the easier path
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we havent played African teams16 times in World Cups. It's 6. I also forgot to list the 0-0 game with Nigeria 2002 too.
See my previous post for England record vs Africa in World Cups. Never been beat, won 4 out of 7 but all hard close games. Not very good really considering how much better some English people insist we are/have been than African teams when it counts.
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So a 60% win record and 0 losses.
Apologies the 16 games includes friendlies - yet still we have never lost to an African side, ever.
We are utterly dominant
----------------------------------------------------------------------
we were embarrasing in half of those games
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Agreed, even more baffling then that we have never been beaten by an African side even though we played schitt in half those games - we must be really dominant
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Ingeeeerland!
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 43 seconds ago
what context and what comment?
I accept the history of England in WCs as you have listed . It shows, as we all know, that apart form 1966 it has been a catalogue of underachievement against the perceived standing that Englsh football has been regarded, (mainly in England). Basically we arent as good as we think. Never had been. Countries newer to football like USA, some in Asia etc... have caught up with us and on last night's game and may have even overtaken us.
Just qualifying in a WC and especially (much harder) in a Euros group is an achievement for England and first or second place will do.
But still dont know what peak England means. (Is it the best level England have been... ie in 1966?)
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Again that’s bollox though, the only show in town is the South Americans and Europe. Asian, African and North American sides in world cups where more than 8 teams qualify - Quarter finals is quite rare, Semi finals we are talking only South Korea on home soil in 2002 and USA in 1930 when.
England We’re World Cup semi finalists 4 years ago and have made that stage 3 times, our average finishing position at world cups is the Quarter final. Those sides that you reckon have caught up are miles and miles behind.
Furthermore, England have never lost to either and African or Asian side at the World Cup and but did lose to USA in the 1930’s.
++++++
1950s
We are utterly dominant over those sides.
++++
Close games actually. eg. Rewatch the Camaroon game in 1990. Morrocco in 1986. Egypt in 1990. Algeria 2010. Thats 4 games and just one win. Hardly dominance.
Generally the great World Cup sides are:
Brazil
Germany
Italy
And personally I think France should be there now
+++++
Historically have been, yes.
Then you have
Argentina
++++
stick them in the group above
.
Then
Spain
England
Uruguay
++++++
stick Holland and Portugal in there.
We should nearly always make the quarters and winning the group can often give us a path to a semi before plying a truly side
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You seem to be agreeing with me whilst trying to disagree with me.
We rarely get to play African or Asian teams in the WC. Mainly European teams (Poland Ukraine Checz Denmark Slovinia etc) and South/Central American (Columbia Paraguay Chile Jamaica Panama etc)
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We’ve played African sides 16 times at the World Cup and not lost a single one of them - we are dominant. No African side has ever made a World Cup semi - it is ludicrous to compare England to the African sides as they have never been good enough - mostly because their FA’s are corrupt and don’t funnel the money back into the game - also African qualifying is brutal compared to Europe and South America.
Argentina are not in the group above 2 World Cup wins, one on home soil and generally considered the lost corrupt World Cup ever. They cheated again in 86, but also scored the greatest goal ever - so I’m conflicted.
They made 2 further finals but I’m not having them in the same league as Brazil and Germany - their records are astounding - pre 2018 Germany had only failed to make the World Cup semi final once when Bulgaria knocked them out in the quarters of 1994. Brazil have only ever lost 1 group game. Just insane records.
Portugal haven’t ever made a World Cup final and have only made the Semis twice - they are a good Euros team and less than average World Cup side. I agree about Holland though, I will re revise the list to
Tier 1
Brazil
Germany
Tier 2
Italy
France
Argentina
Tier 3
Spain
Uruguay
England
Holland
Again, realistically we should be making the Quarters nearly every time and we could creep our average finishing place up to semi finalists if we start winning the groups more often and taking the easier path
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we havent played African teams16 times in World Cups. It's 6. I also forgot to list the 0-0 game with Nigeria 2002 too.
See my previous post for England record vs Africa in World Cups. Never been beat, won 4 out of 7 but all hard close games. Not very good really considering how much better some English people insist we are/have been than African teams when it counts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So a 60% win record and 0 losses.
Apologies the 16 games includes friendlies - yet still we have never lost to an African side, ever.
We are utterly dominant
----------------------------------------------------------------------
we were embarrasing in half of those games
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed, even more baffling then that we have never been beaten by an African side even though we played schitt in half those games - we must be really dominant
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Ingeeeerland!
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Facts are facts
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 8 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 9 minutes ago
Maybe we will draw with Wales and USA will do us a favour and narrowly beat Iran, so we'd still be top on GD. My prediction at the start of this group was that we'd go through on 5 points.
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Maybe, my concern is the game between USA and Iran being level with 5 mins to go, USA having to win and throwing everyone forwards including the keeper at corners and Iran getting a winner on the break. Meanwhile England play a load of pointless sideways football because we are quite happy with a 0-0 as we’re as good as through.
What I want to see is England take the group by the short and curlys and beat the Welsh
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Yes, there's a real chance Iran beat USA and we drop points against Wales to come second.
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You certainly wouldn’t fall off your chair if it did happen.
I will go back to 2010 again - can you tell I am still scarred
We are 1-0 up against Slovenia and rather than pushing on to finish them off, we instead sit back to try and secure the 1-0. Meanwhile USA vs Algeria is 0-0 going into the 90th minute - meaning England top the group.
Of course the US score in injury time and top the group whilst England pat each other on the back for scoring 2 group goals and winning 1 game to finish second - then the Germans smash us and we whine about how Lampard goal should have counted - the damage was done England you kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaants
We are 1-0 up against Slovenia and rather than pushing on to finish them off, we instead sit back to try and secure the 1-0. Meanwhile USA vs Algeria is 0-0 going into the 90th minute - meaning England top the group.
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The damage was done in that surreally bad performance against Algeria there. For an hour against Slovenia, England were half-decent and should have added two or three goals to Defoe's. It was a nervy end but that's because an equaliser would have put us out (I think?).
Regardless of where we finished in the group or who we played, we were terrible in that tournament. We probably would have lost to Ghana if we had managed to top the group.
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 14 minutes ago
We are 1-0 up against Slovenia and rather than pushing on to finish them off, we instead sit back to try and secure the 1-0. Meanwhile USA vs Algeria is 0-0 going into the 90th minute - meaning England top the group.
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The damage was done in that surreally bad performance against Algeria there. For an hour against Slovenia, England were half-decent and should have added two or three goals to Defoe's. It was a nervy end but that's because an equaliser would have put us out (I think?).
Regardless of where we finished in the group or who we played, we were terrible in that tournament. We probably would have lost to Ghana if we had managed to top the group.
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Yeah we were woeful, but it all started so well, Gerrard scoring after 4 mins.
I was going on holiday the day after the Algeria game - I ended up not sleeping all night because I was so faaacked off with England, never had that level of frustration before or since to the point I can’t sleep. France got knocked out and England got through and I started sleeping again.
I came back on the Saturday and England were out on the Sunday - I stopped loving England at that tournament. 2012 was a pleasant surprise, we played okay and losing to a Italy on pens in the Quarters is no disgrace. I started loosing England again.
Then 2014 and 2016 happened bunch of caaaaaaants.
The last 2 tournaments have been great - but I still don’t trust them
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - B... (U18109)
posted 4 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - B... (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 29 minutes ago
England are bog standard average, and have zero chance of winning this world cup. This despite this bring a very sub standard Tournanent. Lots of 0-0s show a real lack of top class strikers. The amount of past it geriatrics playing for the so called better sides at this tournament is astonishing. Messi, Ronaldo, Di Maria, Muller, Toby, Verts etc. Throw in Bale and Ramsey for Wales, both long past it. Is there no young up and coming talent?
If England's best CBs are Stones and Maguire and their best full backs are Shaw and Trippier, then you can see why Englsnd have no chance.
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Weirdly Sandy we also have some of the best young talent along with Brazil, Spain, France and Germany
England:
Foden
Saka
Bellingham
Brazil
Rodrygo
Vinicius
Martinelli
France
Mbappe
Tchouameni
Camavinga
Spain
Gavi
Pedri
Germany
Moukoko
Musiala
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Foden hasn`t started, and Bellingham and Saka were awful last night. Problem is far too many youngsters get hyped up. I await to see if there really are any stand out yongsters in the later stages. Mbappe has already proved himself in a previous world cup, but he is a bit of a lone figure as it stands.
That said I am not watching that much, just glancing at games, so maybe there is a lot of young talent I am missing. But all the 0-0s makes me think I haven`t.
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The Brazilian lads looked the part and despite losing I was impressed with the 2 German boys also. Gavi for Spain has made the biggest impression so far, what a talent he is.
As poor as England were yesterday, Bellingham and Sak were superb in that first game
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Sandy has stated many times that he never watches international football, so no idea how he would know anything, and obviously doesn't, irrelevant
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - B... (U18109)
posted 4 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - B... (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 29 minutes ago
England are bog standard average, and have zero chance of winning this world cup. This despite this bring a very sub standard Tournanent. Lots of 0-0s show a real lack of top class strikers. The amount of past it geriatrics playing for the so called better sides at this tournament is astonishing. Messi, Ronaldo, Di Maria, Muller, Toby, Verts etc. Throw in Bale and Ramsey for Wales, both long past it. Is there no young up and coming talent?
If England's best CBs are Stones and Maguire and their best full backs are Shaw and Trippier, then you can see why Englsnd have no chance.
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Weirdly Sandy we also have some of the best young talent along with Brazil, Spain, France and Germany
England:
Foden
Saka
Bellingham
Brazil
Rodrygo
Vinicius
Martinelli
France
Mbappe
Tchouameni
Camavinga
Spain
Gavi
Pedri
Germany
Moukoko
Musiala
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Foden hasn`t started, and Bellingham and Saka were awful last night. Problem is far too many youngsters get hyped up. I await to see if there really are any stand out yongsters in the later stages. Mbappe has already proved himself in a previous world cup, but he is a bit of a lone figure as it stands.
That said I am not watching that much, just glancing at games, so maybe there is a lot of young talent I am missing. But all the 0-0s makes me think I haven`t.
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The Brazilian lads looked the part and despite losing I was impressed with the 2 German boys also. Gavi for Spain has made the biggest impression so far, what a talent he is.
As poor as England were yesterday, Bellingham and Sak were superb in that first game
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Sandy has stated many times that he never watches international football, so no idea how he would know anything, and obviously doesn't, irrelevant
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That's a lie. I have stated that I have very little interest in International football. Don't mean to say I don't watch it from time to time.
Try to keep up Dosy Dave.
The young talent that england have available are not even all on the team. Southgate should be let go no matter how far they get,
Minus winning of course. Not subbing Kane and Mount was a big mistake yesterday, they were sluggish and ineffective against a U.S. team full of running.
If you are scrolling down this thread on your phone, bet you’ve a sore thumb 😊
Anyone watch Martinelli when he was allowed on the pitch for Brazil?
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 22 minutes ago
Anyone watch Martinelli when he was allowed on the pitch for Brazil?
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He's a gooner
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 22 minutes ago
Anyone watch Martinelli when he was allowed on the pitch for Brazil?
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He's a gooner
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Is THAT all you can say?
He's got fabulous football skills.
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 22 minutes ago
Anyone watch Martinelli when he was allowed on the pitch for Brazil?
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He's a gooner
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Is THAT all you can say?
He's got fabulous football skills.
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Yes one of the reasons the gooners are flying this season, watched him many times, they are creating a very good team over there
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 22 minutes ago
Anyone watch Martinelli when he was allowed on the pitch for Brazil?
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He's a gooner
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Is THAT all you can say?
He's got fabulous football skills.
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Yes one of the reasons the gooners are flying this season, watched him many times, they are creating a very good team over there
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I wish Levy would buy players like that!
What did he cost you guys?
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 22 minutes ago
Anyone watch Martinelli when he was allowed on the pitch for Brazil?
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He's a gooner
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Is THAT all you can say?
He's got fabulous football skills.
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Yes one of the reasons the gooners are flying this season, watched him many times, they are creating a very good team over there
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I wish Levy would buy players like that!
What did he cost you guys?
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comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
Ted you plum
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Well...I'm just saying we could use a player like Martinelli!
There's a reason the Aresenholes are leading the Prem, and we lose to them......
I know it’s immature but 100 💯 😎
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posted on 26/11/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 45 minutes ago
what context and what comment?
I accept the history of England in WCs as you have listed . It shows, as we all know, that apart form 1966 it has been a catalogue of underachievement against the perceived standing that Englsh football has been regarded, (mainly in England). Basically we arent as good as we think. Never had been. Countries newer to football like USA, some in Asia etc... have caught up with us and on last night's game and may have even overtaken us.
Just qualifying in a WC and especially (much harder) in a Euros group is an achievement for England and first or second place will do.
But still dont know what peak England means. (Is it the best level England have been... ie in 1966?)
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England currently have no players near the quality of say Banks, Moore, Greaves, Charlton, Hurst etc.
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Hurst, if he didn’t get a hat trick in the final no one would mention him, Greaves was Englands great striker but was injured. Kane is every bit as good as Hurst as his record shows.
I will give you Banks, Moore and Charlton.
But so what, Brazil don’t have Pele, Garrincha, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Kaka, Gerzinho, Riverlinho, Carlos, Cafu
Germany don’t have Der Bomber, Rumenigge, Klinnsmann, Bremer, Voller, Kahn, Lahm
This English squad is top 4 in the world currently with Brazil, France, Spain. The French have been decimated with Injuries otherwise they would be out on their own.
posted on 26/11/22
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 43 seconds ago
what context and what comment?
I accept the history of England in WCs as you have listed . It shows, as we all know, that apart form 1966 it has been a catalogue of underachievement against the perceived standing that Englsh football has been regarded, (mainly in England). Basically we arent as good as we think. Never had been. Countries newer to football like USA, some in Asia etc... have caught up with us and on last night's game and may have even overtaken us.
Just qualifying in a WC and especially (much harder) in a Euros group is an achievement for England and first or second place will do.
But still dont know what peak England means. (Is it the best level England have been... ie in 1966?)
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Again that’s bollox though, the only show in town is the South Americans and Europe. Asian, African and North American sides in world cups where more than 8 teams qualify - Quarter finals is quite rare, Semi finals we are talking only South Korea on home soil in 2002 and USA in 1930 when.
England We’re World Cup semi finalists 4 years ago and have made that stage 3 times, our average finishing position at world cups is the Quarter final. Those sides that you reckon have caught up are miles and miles behind.
Furthermore, England have never lost to either and African or Asian side at the World Cup and but did lose to USA in the 1930’s.
++++++
1950s
We are utterly dominant over those sides.
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Close games actually. eg. Rewatch the Camaroon game in 1990. Morrocco in 1986. Egypt in 1990. Algeria 2010. Thats 4 games and just one win. Hardly dominance.
Generally the great World Cup sides are:
Brazil
Germany
Italy
And personally I think France should be there now
+++++
Historically have been, yes.
Then you have
Argentina
++++
stick them in the group above
.
Then
Spain
England
Uruguay
++++++
stick Holland and Portugal in there.
We should nearly always make the quarters and winning the group can often give us a path to a semi before plying a truly side
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You seem to be agreeing with me whilst trying to disagree with me.
We rarely get to play African or Asian teams in the WC. Mainly European teams (Poland Ukraine Checz Denmark Slovinia etc) and South/Central American (Columbia Paraguay Chile Jamaica Panama etc)
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We’ve played African sides 16 times at the World Cup and not lost a single one of them - we are dominant. No African side has ever made a World Cup semi - it is ludicrous to compare England to the African sides as they have never been good enough - mostly because their FA’s are corrupt and don’t funnel the money back into the game - also African qualifying is brutal compared to Europe and South America.
Argentina are not in the group above 2 World Cup wins, one on home soil and generally considered the lost corrupt World Cup ever. They cheated again in 86, but also scored the greatest goal ever - so I’m conflicted.
They made 2 further finals but I’m not having them in the same league as Brazil and Germany - their records are astounding - pre 2018 Germany had only failed to make the World Cup semi final once when Bulgaria knocked them out in the quarters of 1994. Brazil have only ever lost 1 group game. Just insane records.
Portugal haven’t ever made a World Cup final and have only made the Semis twice - they are a good Euros team and less than average World Cup side. I agree about Holland though, I will re revise the list to
Tier 1
Brazil
Germany
Tier 2
Italy
France
Argentina
Tier 3
Spain
Uruguay
England
Holland
Again, realistically we should be making the Quarters nearly every time and we could creep our average finishing place up to semi finalists if we start winning the groups more often and taking the easier path
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we havent played African teams16 times in World Cups. It's 6. I also forgot to list the 0-0 game with Nigeria 2002 too.
See my previous post for England record vs Africa in World Cups. Never been beat, won 4 out of 7 but all hard close games. Not very good really considering how much better some English people insist we are/have been than African teams when it counts.
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So a 60% win record and 0 losses.
Apologies the 16 games includes friendlies - yet still we have never lost to an African side, ever.
We are utterly dominant
posted on 26/11/22
Im wasnt trying to say if we were better then than now I was just trying to understand what your phrase Peak England means as you use it to support your arguements
posted on 26/11/22
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 43 seconds ago
what context and what comment?
I accept the history of England in WCs as you have listed . It shows, as we all know, that apart form 1966 it has been a catalogue of underachievement against the perceived standing that Englsh football has been regarded, (mainly in England). Basically we arent as good as we think. Never had been. Countries newer to football like USA, some in Asia etc... have caught up with us and on last night's game and may have even overtaken us.
Just qualifying in a WC and especially (much harder) in a Euros group is an achievement for England and first or second place will do.
But still dont know what peak England means. (Is it the best level England have been... ie in 1966?)
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Again that’s bollox though, the only show in town is the South Americans and Europe. Asian, African and North American sides in world cups where more than 8 teams qualify - Quarter finals is quite rare, Semi finals we are talking only South Korea on home soil in 2002 and USA in 1930 when.
England We’re World Cup semi finalists 4 years ago and have made that stage 3 times, our average finishing position at world cups is the Quarter final. Those sides that you reckon have caught up are miles and miles behind.
Furthermore, England have never lost to either and African or Asian side at the World Cup and but did lose to USA in the 1930’s.
++++++
1950s
We are utterly dominant over those sides.
++++
Close games actually. eg. Rewatch the Camaroon game in 1990. Morrocco in 1986. Egypt in 1990. Algeria 2010. Thats 4 games and just one win. Hardly dominance.
Generally the great World Cup sides are:
Brazil
Germany
Italy
And personally I think France should be there now
+++++
Historically have been, yes.
Then you have
Argentina
++++
stick them in the group above
.
Then
Spain
England
Uruguay
++++++
stick Holland and Portugal in there.
We should nearly always make the quarters and winning the group can often give us a path to a semi before plying a truly side
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You seem to be agreeing with me whilst trying to disagree with me.
We rarely get to play African or Asian teams in the WC. Mainly European teams (Poland Ukraine Checz Denmark Slovinia etc) and South/Central American (Columbia Paraguay Chile Jamaica Panama etc)
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We’ve played African sides 16 times at the World Cup and not lost a single one of them - we are dominant. No African side has ever made a World Cup semi - it is ludicrous to compare England to the African sides as they have never been good enough - mostly because their FA’s are corrupt and don’t funnel the money back into the game - also African qualifying is brutal compared to Europe and South America.
Argentina are not in the group above 2 World Cup wins, one on home soil and generally considered the lost corrupt World Cup ever. They cheated again in 86, but also scored the greatest goal ever - so I’m conflicted.
They made 2 further finals but I’m not having them in the same league as Brazil and Germany - their records are astounding - pre 2018 Germany had only failed to make the World Cup semi final once when Bulgaria knocked them out in the quarters of 1994. Brazil have only ever lost 1 group game. Just insane records.
Portugal haven’t ever made a World Cup final and have only made the Semis twice - they are a good Euros team and less than average World Cup side. I agree about Holland though, I will re revise the list to
Tier 1
Brazil
Germany
Tier 2
Italy
France
Argentina
Tier 3
Spain
Uruguay
England
Holland
Again, realistically we should be making the Quarters nearly every time and we could creep our average finishing place up to semi finalists if we start winning the groups more often and taking the easier path
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we havent played African teams16 times in World Cups. It's 6. I also forgot to list the 0-0 game with Nigeria 2002 too.
See my previous post for England record vs Africa in World Cups. Never been beat, won 4 out of 7 but all hard close games. Not very good really considering how much better some English people insist we are/have been than African teams when it counts.
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So a 60% win record and 0 losses.
Apologies the 16 games includes friendlies - yet still we have never lost to an African side, ever.
We are utterly dominant
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we were embarrasing in half of those games
posted on 26/11/22
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 9 minutes ago
Maybe we will draw with Wales and USA will do us a favour and narrowly beat Iran, so we'd still be top on GD. My prediction at the start of this group was that we'd go through on 5 points.
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Maybe, my concern is the game between USA and Iran being level with 5 mins to go, USA having to win and throwing everyone forwards including the keeper at corners and Iran getting a winner on the break. Meanwhile England play a load of pointless sideways football because we are quite happy with a 0-0 as we’re as good as through.
What I want to see is England take the group by the short and curlys and beat the Welsh
posted on 26/11/22
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 43 seconds ago
what context and what comment?
I accept the history of England in WCs as you have listed . It shows, as we all know, that apart form 1966 it has been a catalogue of underachievement against the perceived standing that Englsh football has been regarded, (mainly in England). Basically we arent as good as we think. Never had been. Countries newer to football like USA, some in Asia etc... have caught up with us and on last night's game and may have even overtaken us.
Just qualifying in a WC and especially (much harder) in a Euros group is an achievement for England and first or second place will do.
But still dont know what peak England means. (Is it the best level England have been... ie in 1966?)
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Again that’s bollox though, the only show in town is the South Americans and Europe. Asian, African and North American sides in world cups where more than 8 teams qualify - Quarter finals is quite rare, Semi finals we are talking only South Korea on home soil in 2002 and USA in 1930 when.
England We’re World Cup semi finalists 4 years ago and have made that stage 3 times, our average finishing position at world cups is the Quarter final. Those sides that you reckon have caught up are miles and miles behind.
Furthermore, England have never lost to either and African or Asian side at the World Cup and but did lose to USA in the 1930’s.
++++++
1950s
We are utterly dominant over those sides.
++++
Close games actually. eg. Rewatch the Camaroon game in 1990. Morrocco in 1986. Egypt in 1990. Algeria 2010. Thats 4 games and just one win. Hardly dominance.
Generally the great World Cup sides are:
Brazil
Germany
Italy
And personally I think France should be there now
+++++
Historically have been, yes.
Then you have
Argentina
++++
stick them in the group above
.
Then
Spain
England
Uruguay
++++++
stick Holland and Portugal in there.
We should nearly always make the quarters and winning the group can often give us a path to a semi before plying a truly side
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You seem to be agreeing with me whilst trying to disagree with me.
We rarely get to play African or Asian teams in the WC. Mainly European teams (Poland Ukraine Checz Denmark Slovinia etc) and South/Central American (Columbia Paraguay Chile Jamaica Panama etc)
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We’ve played African sides 16 times at the World Cup and not lost a single one of them - we are dominant. No African side has ever made a World Cup semi - it is ludicrous to compare England to the African sides as they have never been good enough - mostly because their FA’s are corrupt and don’t funnel the money back into the game - also African qualifying is brutal compared to Europe and South America.
Argentina are not in the group above 2 World Cup wins, one on home soil and generally considered the lost corrupt World Cup ever. They cheated again in 86, but also scored the greatest goal ever - so I’m conflicted.
They made 2 further finals but I’m not having them in the same league as Brazil and Germany - their records are astounding - pre 2018 Germany had only failed to make the World Cup semi final once when Bulgaria knocked them out in the quarters of 1994. Brazil have only ever lost 1 group game. Just insane records.
Portugal haven’t ever made a World Cup final and have only made the Semis twice - they are a good Euros team and less than average World Cup side. I agree about Holland though, I will re revise the list to
Tier 1
Brazil
Germany
Tier 2
Italy
France
Argentina
Tier 3
Spain
Uruguay
England
Holland
Again, realistically we should be making the Quarters nearly every time and we could creep our average finishing place up to semi finalists if we start winning the groups more often and taking the easier path
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we havent played African teams16 times in World Cups. It's 6. I also forgot to list the 0-0 game with Nigeria 2002 too.
See my previous post for England record vs Africa in World Cups. Never been beat, won 4 out of 7 but all hard close games. Not very good really considering how much better some English people insist we are/have been than African teams when it counts.
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So a 60% win record and 0 losses.
Apologies the 16 games includes friendlies - yet still we have never lost to an African side, ever.
We are utterly dominant
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we were embarrasing in half of those games
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Agreed, even more baffling then that we have never been beaten by an African side even though we played schitt in half those games - we must be really dominant
posted on 26/11/22
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 9 minutes ago
Maybe we will draw with Wales and USA will do us a favour and narrowly beat Iran, so we'd still be top on GD. My prediction at the start of this group was that we'd go through on 5 points.
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Maybe, my concern is the game between USA and Iran being level with 5 mins to go, USA having to win and throwing everyone forwards including the keeper at corners and Iran getting a winner on the break. Meanwhile England play a load of pointless sideways football because we are quite happy with a 0-0 as we’re as good as through.
What I want to see is England take the group by the short and curlys and beat the Welsh
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Yes, there's a real chance Iran beat USA and we drop points against Wales to come second.
posted on 26/11/22
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 43 seconds ago
what context and what comment?
I accept the history of England in WCs as you have listed . It shows, as we all know, that apart form 1966 it has been a catalogue of underachievement against the perceived standing that Englsh football has been regarded, (mainly in England). Basically we arent as good as we think. Never had been. Countries newer to football like USA, some in Asia etc... have caught up with us and on last night's game and may have even overtaken us.
Just qualifying in a WC and especially (much harder) in a Euros group is an achievement for England and first or second place will do.
But still dont know what peak England means. (Is it the best level England have been... ie in 1966?)
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Again that’s bollox though, the only show in town is the South Americans and Europe. Asian, African and North American sides in world cups where more than 8 teams qualify - Quarter finals is quite rare, Semi finals we are talking only South Korea on home soil in 2002 and USA in 1930 when.
England We’re World Cup semi finalists 4 years ago and have made that stage 3 times, our average finishing position at world cups is the Quarter final. Those sides that you reckon have caught up are miles and miles behind.
Furthermore, England have never lost to either and African or Asian side at the World Cup and but did lose to USA in the 1930’s.
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1950s
We are utterly dominant over those sides.
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Close games actually. eg. Rewatch the Camaroon game in 1990. Morrocco in 1986. Egypt in 1990. Algeria 2010. Thats 4 games and just one win. Hardly dominance.
Generally the great World Cup sides are:
Brazil
Germany
Italy
And personally I think France should be there now
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Historically have been, yes.
Then you have
Argentina
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stick them in the group above
.
Then
Spain
England
Uruguay
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stick Holland and Portugal in there.
We should nearly always make the quarters and winning the group can often give us a path to a semi before plying a truly side
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You seem to be agreeing with me whilst trying to disagree with me.
We rarely get to play African or Asian teams in the WC. Mainly European teams (Poland Ukraine Checz Denmark Slovinia etc) and South/Central American (Columbia Paraguay Chile Jamaica Panama etc)
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We’ve played African sides 16 times at the World Cup and not lost a single one of them - we are dominant. No African side has ever made a World Cup semi - it is ludicrous to compare England to the African sides as they have never been good enough - mostly because their FA’s are corrupt and don’t funnel the money back into the game - also African qualifying is brutal compared to Europe and South America.
Argentina are not in the group above 2 World Cup wins, one on home soil and generally considered the lost corrupt World Cup ever. They cheated again in 86, but also scored the greatest goal ever - so I’m conflicted.
They made 2 further finals but I’m not having them in the same league as Brazil and Germany - their records are astounding - pre 2018 Germany had only failed to make the World Cup semi final once when Bulgaria knocked them out in the quarters of 1994. Brazil have only ever lost 1 group game. Just insane records.
Portugal haven’t ever made a World Cup final and have only made the Semis twice - they are a good Euros team and less than average World Cup side. I agree about Holland though, I will re revise the list to
Tier 1
Brazil
Germany
Tier 2
Italy
France
Argentina
Tier 3
Spain
Uruguay
England
Holland
Again, realistically we should be making the Quarters nearly every time and we could creep our average finishing place up to semi finalists if we start winning the groups more often and taking the easier path
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we havent played African teams16 times in World Cups. It's 6. I also forgot to list the 0-0 game with Nigeria 2002 too.
See my previous post for England record vs Africa in World Cups. Never been beat, won 4 out of 7 but all hard close games. Not very good really considering how much better some English people insist we are/have been than African teams when it counts.
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So a 60% win record and 0 losses.
Apologies the 16 games includes friendlies - yet still we have never lost to an African side, ever.
We are utterly dominant
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we were embarrasing in half of those games
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Agreed, even more baffling then that we have never been beaten by an African side even though we played schitt in half those games - we must be really dominant
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Ingeeeerland!
posted on 26/11/22
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what context and what comment?
I accept the history of England in WCs as you have listed . It shows, as we all know, that apart form 1966 it has been a catalogue of underachievement against the perceived standing that Englsh football has been regarded, (mainly in England). Basically we arent as good as we think. Never had been. Countries newer to football like USA, some in Asia etc... have caught up with us and on last night's game and may have even overtaken us.
Just qualifying in a WC and especially (much harder) in a Euros group is an achievement for England and first or second place will do.
But still dont know what peak England means. (Is it the best level England have been... ie in 1966?)
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Again that’s bollox though, the only show in town is the South Americans and Europe. Asian, African and North American sides in world cups where more than 8 teams qualify - Quarter finals is quite rare, Semi finals we are talking only South Korea on home soil in 2002 and USA in 1930 when.
England We’re World Cup semi finalists 4 years ago and have made that stage 3 times, our average finishing position at world cups is the Quarter final. Those sides that you reckon have caught up are miles and miles behind.
Furthermore, England have never lost to either and African or Asian side at the World Cup and but did lose to USA in the 1930’s.
++++++
1950s
We are utterly dominant over those sides.
++++
Close games actually. eg. Rewatch the Camaroon game in 1990. Morrocco in 1986. Egypt in 1990. Algeria 2010. Thats 4 games and just one win. Hardly dominance.
Generally the great World Cup sides are:
Brazil
Germany
Italy
And personally I think France should be there now
+++++
Historically have been, yes.
Then you have
Argentina
++++
stick them in the group above
.
Then
Spain
England
Uruguay
++++++
stick Holland and Portugal in there.
We should nearly always make the quarters and winning the group can often give us a path to a semi before plying a truly side
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You seem to be agreeing with me whilst trying to disagree with me.
We rarely get to play African or Asian teams in the WC. Mainly European teams (Poland Ukraine Checz Denmark Slovinia etc) and South/Central American (Columbia Paraguay Chile Jamaica Panama etc)
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We’ve played African sides 16 times at the World Cup and not lost a single one of them - we are dominant. No African side has ever made a World Cup semi - it is ludicrous to compare England to the African sides as they have never been good enough - mostly because their FA’s are corrupt and don’t funnel the money back into the game - also African qualifying is brutal compared to Europe and South America.
Argentina are not in the group above 2 World Cup wins, one on home soil and generally considered the lost corrupt World Cup ever. They cheated again in 86, but also scored the greatest goal ever - so I’m conflicted.
They made 2 further finals but I’m not having them in the same league as Brazil and Germany - their records are astounding - pre 2018 Germany had only failed to make the World Cup semi final once when Bulgaria knocked them out in the quarters of 1994. Brazil have only ever lost 1 group game. Just insane records.
Portugal haven’t ever made a World Cup final and have only made the Semis twice - they are a good Euros team and less than average World Cup side. I agree about Holland though, I will re revise the list to
Tier 1
Brazil
Germany
Tier 2
Italy
France
Argentina
Tier 3
Spain
Uruguay
England
Holland
Again, realistically we should be making the Quarters nearly every time and we could creep our average finishing place up to semi finalists if we start winning the groups more often and taking the easier path
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we havent played African teams16 times in World Cups. It's 6. I also forgot to list the 0-0 game with Nigeria 2002 too.
See my previous post for England record vs Africa in World Cups. Never been beat, won 4 out of 7 but all hard close games. Not very good really considering how much better some English people insist we are/have been than African teams when it counts.
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So a 60% win record and 0 losses.
Apologies the 16 games includes friendlies - yet still we have never lost to an African side, ever.
We are utterly dominant
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we were embarrasing in half of those games
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Agreed, even more baffling then that we have never been beaten by an African side even though we played schitt in half those games - we must be really dominant
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Ingeeeerland!
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Facts are facts
posted on 26/11/22
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Maybe we will draw with Wales and USA will do us a favour and narrowly beat Iran, so we'd still be top on GD. My prediction at the start of this group was that we'd go through on 5 points.
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Maybe, my concern is the game between USA and Iran being level with 5 mins to go, USA having to win and throwing everyone forwards including the keeper at corners and Iran getting a winner on the break. Meanwhile England play a load of pointless sideways football because we are quite happy with a 0-0 as we’re as good as through.
What I want to see is England take the group by the short and curlys and beat the Welsh
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Yes, there's a real chance Iran beat USA and we drop points against Wales to come second.
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You certainly wouldn’t fall off your chair if it did happen.
I will go back to 2010 again - can you tell I am still scarred
We are 1-0 up against Slovenia and rather than pushing on to finish them off, we instead sit back to try and secure the 1-0. Meanwhile USA vs Algeria is 0-0 going into the 90th minute - meaning England top the group.
Of course the US score in injury time and top the group whilst England pat each other on the back for scoring 2 group goals and winning 1 game to finish second - then the Germans smash us and we whine about how Lampard goal should have counted - the damage was done England you kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaants
posted on 26/11/22
We are 1-0 up against Slovenia and rather than pushing on to finish them off, we instead sit back to try and secure the 1-0. Meanwhile USA vs Algeria is 0-0 going into the 90th minute - meaning England top the group.
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The damage was done in that surreally bad performance against Algeria there. For an hour against Slovenia, England were half-decent and should have added two or three goals to Defoe's. It was a nervy end but that's because an equaliser would have put us out (I think?).
Regardless of where we finished in the group or who we played, we were terrible in that tournament. We probably would have lost to Ghana if we had managed to top the group.
posted on 26/11/22
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We are 1-0 up against Slovenia and rather than pushing on to finish them off, we instead sit back to try and secure the 1-0. Meanwhile USA vs Algeria is 0-0 going into the 90th minute - meaning England top the group.
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The damage was done in that surreally bad performance against Algeria there. For an hour against Slovenia, England were half-decent and should have added two or three goals to Defoe's. It was a nervy end but that's because an equaliser would have put us out (I think?).
Regardless of where we finished in the group or who we played, we were terrible in that tournament. We probably would have lost to Ghana if we had managed to top the group.
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Yeah we were woeful, but it all started so well, Gerrard scoring after 4 mins.
I was going on holiday the day after the Algeria game - I ended up not sleeping all night because I was so faaacked off with England, never had that level of frustration before or since to the point I can’t sleep. France got knocked out and England got through and I started sleeping again.
I came back on the Saturday and England were out on the Sunday - I stopped loving England at that tournament. 2012 was a pleasant surprise, we played okay and losing to a Italy on pens in the Quarters is no disgrace. I started loosing England again.
Then 2014 and 2016 happened bunch of caaaaaaants.
The last 2 tournaments have been great - but I still don’t trust them
posted on 26/11/22
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England are bog standard average, and have zero chance of winning this world cup. This despite this bring a very sub standard Tournanent. Lots of 0-0s show a real lack of top class strikers. The amount of past it geriatrics playing for the so called better sides at this tournament is astonishing. Messi, Ronaldo, Di Maria, Muller, Toby, Verts etc. Throw in Bale and Ramsey for Wales, both long past it. Is there no young up and coming talent?
If England's best CBs are Stones and Maguire and their best full backs are Shaw and Trippier, then you can see why Englsnd have no chance.
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Weirdly Sandy we also have some of the best young talent along with Brazil, Spain, France and Germany
England:
Foden
Saka
Bellingham
Brazil
Rodrygo
Vinicius
Martinelli
France
Mbappe
Tchouameni
Camavinga
Spain
Gavi
Pedri
Germany
Moukoko
Musiala
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Foden hasn`t started, and Bellingham and Saka were awful last night. Problem is far too many youngsters get hyped up. I await to see if there really are any stand out yongsters in the later stages. Mbappe has already proved himself in a previous world cup, but he is a bit of a lone figure as it stands.
That said I am not watching that much, just glancing at games, so maybe there is a lot of young talent I am missing. But all the 0-0s makes me think I haven`t.
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The Brazilian lads looked the part and despite losing I was impressed with the 2 German boys also. Gavi for Spain has made the biggest impression so far, what a talent he is.
As poor as England were yesterday, Bellingham and Sak were superb in that first game
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Sandy has stated many times that he never watches international football, so no idea how he would know anything, and obviously doesn't, irrelevant
posted on 26/11/22
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comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 29 minutes ago
England are bog standard average, and have zero chance of winning this world cup. This despite this bring a very sub standard Tournanent. Lots of 0-0s show a real lack of top class strikers. The amount of past it geriatrics playing for the so called better sides at this tournament is astonishing. Messi, Ronaldo, Di Maria, Muller, Toby, Verts etc. Throw in Bale and Ramsey for Wales, both long past it. Is there no young up and coming talent?
If England's best CBs are Stones and Maguire and their best full backs are Shaw and Trippier, then you can see why Englsnd have no chance.
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Weirdly Sandy we also have some of the best young talent along with Brazil, Spain, France and Germany
England:
Foden
Saka
Bellingham
Brazil
Rodrygo
Vinicius
Martinelli
France
Mbappe
Tchouameni
Camavinga
Spain
Gavi
Pedri
Germany
Moukoko
Musiala
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Foden hasn`t started, and Bellingham and Saka were awful last night. Problem is far too many youngsters get hyped up. I await to see if there really are any stand out yongsters in the later stages. Mbappe has already proved himself in a previous world cup, but he is a bit of a lone figure as it stands.
That said I am not watching that much, just glancing at games, so maybe there is a lot of young talent I am missing. But all the 0-0s makes me think I haven`t.
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The Brazilian lads looked the part and despite losing I was impressed with the 2 German boys also. Gavi for Spain has made the biggest impression so far, what a talent he is.
As poor as England were yesterday, Bellingham and Sak were superb in that first game
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Sandy has stated many times that he never watches international football, so no idea how he would know anything, and obviously doesn't, irrelevant
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That's a lie. I have stated that I have very little interest in International football. Don't mean to say I don't watch it from time to time.
Try to keep up Dosy Dave.
posted on 26/11/22
The young talent that england have available are not even all on the team. Southgate should be let go no matter how far they get,
Minus winning of course. Not subbing Kane and Mount was a big mistake yesterday, they were sluggish and ineffective against a U.S. team full of running.
posted on 26/11/22
If you are scrolling down this thread on your phone, bet you’ve a sore thumb 😊
posted on 26/11/22
Anyone watch Martinelli when he was allowed on the pitch for Brazil?
posted on 26/11/22
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 22 minutes ago
Anyone watch Martinelli when he was allowed on the pitch for Brazil?
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He's a gooner
posted on 26/11/22
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 22 minutes ago
Anyone watch Martinelli when he was allowed on the pitch for Brazil?
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He's a gooner
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Is THAT all you can say?
He's got fabulous football skills.
posted on 26/11/22
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 22 minutes ago
Anyone watch Martinelli when he was allowed on the pitch for Brazil?
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He's a gooner
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Is THAT all you can say?
He's got fabulous football skills.
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Yes one of the reasons the gooners are flying this season, watched him many times, they are creating a very good team over there
posted on 26/11/22
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 22 minutes ago
Anyone watch Martinelli when he was allowed on the pitch for Brazil?
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He's a gooner
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Is THAT all you can say?
He's got fabulous football skills.
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Yes one of the reasons the gooners are flying this season, watched him many times, they are creating a very good team over there
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I wish Levy would buy players like that!
What did he cost you guys?
posted on 27/11/22
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 22 minutes ago
Anyone watch Martinelli when he was allowed on the pitch for Brazil?
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He's a gooner
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Is THAT all you can say?
He's got fabulous football skills.
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Yes one of the reasons the gooners are flying this season, watched him many times, they are creating a very good team over there
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I wish Levy would buy players like that!
What did he cost you guys?
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posted on 27/11/22
Ted you plum
posted on 27/11/22
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
Ted you plum
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Well...I'm just saying we could use a player like Martinelli!
There's a reason the Aresenholes are leading the Prem, and we lose to them......
posted on 27/11/22
I know it’s immature but 100 💯 😎
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